Final Fantasy VII Mafia - Shinra Corporation and Elena win

[zimmah]

as at L-1 i would have cast the final vote on zimmah right now if it wasn't for awaiting com9 to speak. Someone will probably hammer before i do but however you do still get the lynch.

Yes you could be a miller/busdriven etc but if it wasn't via one of the town folks you will always be a suspect and with no power role your not useful so you might as well go now rather than later.

i'd say the purpose is to hunt scum instead of lynching townies.

i agree i'm not a bug loss, but a loss nonetheless. it's your own choice if you really want to lynch me, but at least learn from your mistakes.

with the average intelligence shown in the other games i was in, i'm very doubtful that any intelligent conclusions will be made.

[VioIet]

I'm inclined to believe wildwilliam, actually. Perhaps it's because I'd probably do (and have done) the same thing ( ) but at this point, it's a bit late to go back.

If it means anything (not sure how far from a lynch we are), unvote.

Dukasaur makes a good point. I don't specifically recall a case on new guy, but if someone tried to make one, it would be worth looking into. It seems more than strange to me that new guy would be a target for the mafia. It totally goes against the veteran bias! I think we might be dealing with a newbie mafia (though this assumption may be borderline WIFOM, or what have you).

-Sully

I will look to make a case against Victor tomorrow. He was extremely reluctant to cast any suspicion on wildwilliam.

It is pretty safe to say that if zinmah is mafia, jgordon is mafia too.

At this point, it would seem that Barrett is indeed over eager. There have been 2 kills, each on fairly quiet players. If I was forced to kill, I would either pick a scum target or an inactive.

Did anyone come to any conclusions regarding who wanted new guy dead?

With the framer dead. I felt it would be safe to observe the prime suspect from yesterday. Zimmah is scum. Before we speed lynch let's hear some other opinions.

For the record duke. A framer makes a townie appear guilty on investigation.

Sh-pow!

Vote zimmah

-Sully

Classic Sully post. I don't know how you ever make it to the end of a game.

It's odd that zimmah has not shown up. He is usually pretty active. Vote count?

I think at this point- the bandwagon has gone too far to backtrack now. As far as not everyone getting a chance to speak- well this Day has only lasted for less than two real life days.

I think we need to prove if strike's investigation was correct.

Vote Zimmah

[zimmah]

I'm inclined to believe wildwilliam, actually. Perhaps it's because I'd probably do (and have done) the same thing ( ) but at this point, it's a bit late to go back.

If it means anything (not sure how far from a lynch we are), unvote.

Dukasaur makes a good point. I don't specifically recall a case on new guy, but if someone tried to make one, it would be worth looking into. It seems more than strange to me that new guy would be a target for the mafia. It totally goes against the veteran bias! I think we might be dealing with a newbie mafia (though this assumption may be borderline WIFOM, or what have you).

-Sully

I will look to make a case against Victor tomorrow. He was extremely reluctant to cast any suspicion on wildwilliam.

It is pretty safe to say that if zinmah is mafia, jgordon is mafia too.

At this point, it would seem that Barrett is indeed over eager. There have been 2 kills, each on fairly quiet players. If I was forced to kill, I would either pick a scum target or an inactive.

Did anyone come to any conclusions regarding who wanted new guy dead?

With the framer dead. I felt it would be safe to observe the prime suspect from yesterday. Zimmah is scum. Before we speed lynch let's hear some other opinions.

For the record duke. A framer makes a townie appear guilty on investigation.

Sh-pow!

Vote zimmah

-Sully

Classic Sully post. I don't know how you ever make it to the end of a game.

It's odd that zimmah has not shown up. He is usually pretty active. Vote count?

I think at this point- the bandwagon has gone too far to backtrack now. As far as not everyone getting a chance to speak- well this Day has only lasted for less than two real life days.

I think we need to prove if strike's investigation was correct.

Vote Zimmah

quite a suspicious speedlynch if you ask me, why the hurry?

[VioIet]

Mostly to get the game moving. I can't see much else happening today, and I don't want to stall.

Besides your lynch will provide so much information.

If you turn up as mafia, we know that Victor and Jordan will be under suspicion as well.

If you turn up town, then we will have some serious questions for strike wolf. Also it will help us better understand the setup of the game- and if there is another framer or bus driver role out there.

[Eldario]

I would still like to hear Commander9s case

will vote Zimmah but want to give Commander9 a chance to make his case

also I think i missed Zimmahs claim but it seams all agree that he did claim VT and due to laziness I take you word on it

[zimmah]

Mostly to get the game moving. I can't see much else happening today, and I don't want to stall.

Besides your lynch will provide so much information.

If you turn up as mafia, we know that Victor and Jordan will be under suspicion as well.

If you turn up town, then we will have some serious questions for strike wolf. Also it will help us better understand the setup of the game- and if there is another framer or bus driver role out there.

others were waiting for someone to give his opinion and you effectively denied that with your hammer, i think that's not the smart thing to do.

[edocsil]

Mostly to get the game moving. I can't see much else happening today, and I don't want to stall.

Besides your lynch will provide so much information.

If you turn up as mafia, we know that Victor and Jordan will be under suspicion as well.

If you turn up town, then we will have some serious questions for strike wolf. Also it will help us better understand the setup of the game- and if there is another framer or bus driver role out there.

others were waiting for someone to give his opinion and you effectively denied that with your hammer, i think that's not the smart thing to do.

Screw that, if they don't dother to show up for 3 days its not like they are going to have anything groundbreaking. This is cut and clear follow the cop, we have no choice, barring extreme circumstances a guilty investigation cannot be allowed to live.

[drunkmonkey]

Mostly to get the game moving. I can't see much else happening today, and I don't want to stall.

Besides your lynch will provide so much information.

If you turn up as mafia, we know that Victor and Jordan will be under suspicion as well.

If you turn up town, then we will have some serious questions for strike wolf. Also it will help us better understand the setup of the game- and if there is another framer or bus driver role out there.

others were waiting for someone to give his opinion and you effectively denied that with your hammer, i think that's not the smart thing to do.

Screw that, if they don't dother to show up for 3 days its not like they are going to have anything groundbreaking. This is cut and clear follow the cop, we have no choice, barring extreme circumstances a guilty investigation cannot be allowed to live.

Coming off a 3-day weekend for many in the US, I'd have preferred to give them a little more time.

[strike wolf]

I'm gonna throw an FoS Vio's way. Yesterday she put WW at L-1 after being absent most of the day and today she hammers (it looks like). I feel she is only voting once the suspect seems doomed anyways. She first states that it has only been two days since this day began and then states that we are unlikely to hear much from anyone else.

I'm also going to throw an FOS at Codierose for what appears to be a mega-skim.

[Eldario]

Mostly to get the game moving. I can't see much else happening today, and I don't want to stall.

Besides your lynch will provide so much information.

If you turn up as mafia, we know that Victor and Jordan will be under suspicion as well.

If you turn up town, then we will have some serious questions for strike wolf. Also it will help us better understand the setup of the game- and if there is another framer or bus driver role out there.

others were waiting for someone to give his opinion and you effectively denied that with your hammer, i think that's not the smart thing to do.

Screw that, if they don't dother to show up for 3 days its not like they are going to have anything groundbreaking. This is cut and clear follow the cop, we have no choice, barring extreme circumstances a guilty investigation cannot be allowed to live.

nobody has suggested that he would be of the hook?

[Commander9]

Apologies guys... The weekend went quite different than I expected (plus stupid clan drama BS). If I'll get a chance, I'll post it tonight. I honestly do think that Zimmah's claim makes much of a difference here. His character is very, very weak claim and there's 0 chance of him being a miller (doesn't fit the character). Thus, with the investigation done on him, I'm definitely willing to take chances here. Obviously, I won't vote as I'd like to make my post, though.

[Rodion]

Vote Count

zimmah - DoomYoshi, dazza2008, Djfireside, Victor Sullivan, edocsil, ghostly447, chapcrap, codierose, Violet (L-2)

With 20 players alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

If I have miscounted and Violet did indeed hammer, please show me where I was wrong and I'll correct it immediately.

[Dukasaur]

DoomYoshi's instincts were spot-on when it came to WW, so I'll trust him about zimmah. I will, however, go along with what seems to be several people's interest in hearing what C9 has to say before voting.

[dazza2008]

DoomYoshi's instincts were spot-on when it came to WW, so I'll trust him about zimmah. I will, however, go along with what seems to be several people's interest in hearing what C9 has to say before voting.

DoomYoshi's? Pretty sure it was Strike.

I agree I want to hear what Com9 has to say before the night. Just in case.

I have voted but hopefully nobody will hammer before he presents his case to us.

[jgordon1111]

Again I will wait for SW he seems to think something may be helpful with C9's post. Afterwards I do have some questions,that at this point I would like only SW's opinion on,no offense meant to anyone else But Right now SW is the only person I trust and I would rather not have conflicting answers unless someone thinks his answer needs to be elaborated on.

[zimmah]

i think it's kinda risky and fishy that everyone trusts this one player who claimed a guilty investigation on someone who's not guilty.

[ghostly447]

Alright. Considering Vio was looking to hammer before the popular decision (to hear C9 speak) happened, I am going to unvote. Not only do I want to use today to build an investigation on Vio (and whoever C9 makes a case about, if it seems a good case), but I will revote Zimmah when the time comes, even if its a hammer (of course I will warn before I do it. I am not stupid like he seems to think I am).

Thats all for now. Lets hear C9's case, if its good, go after them, and if not, go after Vio. Because vio, scum or not, is either skimming or trying to get as little done today as possible. And it seems fishy to me.

[drunkmonkey]

i think it's kinda risky and fishy that everyone trusts this one player who claimed a guilty investigation on someone who's not guilty.

You think it's fishy that everyone trusts the guy who found scum on D2?

[dazza2008]

i think it's kinda risky and fishy that everyone trusts this one player who claimed a guilty investigation on someone who's not guilty.

Kind of hard not to trust him when his counter claim is the reason we got scum yesterday.

[zimmah]

i think it's kinda risky and fishy that everyone trusts this one player who claimed a guilty investigation on someone who's not guilty.

Kind of hard not to trust him when his counter claim is the reason we got scum yesterday.

well, still, you're lynching the wrong guy. at least it's better then losing a power, but still the wrong guy.

[dazza2008]

i think it's kinda risky and fishy that everyone trusts this one player who claimed a guilty investigation on someone who's not guilty.

Kind of hard not to trust him when his counter claim is the reason we got scum yesterday.

well, still, you're lynching the wrong guy. at least it's better then losing a power, but still the wrong guy.

So you think you were framed when the framer is dead?

[jgordon1111]

And thats the reason I trust him,because he took the chance and brought WW out into a fake claim he couldnt back up. And he seems to think that C9 info will help us out. As i said I am cautious not fond of the speed lynch when the investigator hasnt voted for that person yet. Thinking about something, Doom you were quick to lynch where do you stand on this?

[zimmah]

i think it's kinda risky and fishy that everyone trusts this one player who claimed a guilty investigation on someone who's not guilty.

Kind of hard not to trust him when his counter claim is the reason we got scum yesterday.

well, still, you're lynching the wrong guy. at least it's better then losing a power, but still the wrong guy.

So you think you were framed when the framer is dead?

no idea, i guess it's a mafia busdriver, but framing is not impossable either, i mean the investigation must have happened last night, and framing may work the next night, not the same night. so it's not that hard.

[dazza2008]

i think it's kinda risky and fishy that everyone trusts this one player who claimed a guilty investigation on someone who's not guilty.

Kind of hard not to trust him when his counter claim is the reason we got scum yesterday.

well, still, you're lynching the wrong guy. at least it's better then losing a power, but still the wrong guy.

So you think you were framed when the framer is dead?

no idea, i guess it's a mafia busdriver, but framing is not impossable either, i mean the investigation must have happened last night, and framing may work the next night, not the same night. so it's not that hard.

I find a mafia busdriver quite unlikely. I remember in 1 game someone explained why it is too powerfull for mafia to have. I can't remember who it was but what they said made sense and I coould not see Rodion doing it.

Why would the frame happen the next night?

Sounds to me like you're clutching at straws now.

[zimmah]

stubborn guy, seriously. you have tunnelvision