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Re: Ask me anything about the Soviet Union or Russia

Postby Baron Von PWN on Sat Aug 14, 2010 5:37 am

Victor Sullivan wrote:Do you think Napoleon and Snowball accurately paralleled Stalin and Trotsky in the novel, Animal Farm? If not, in what ways were Stalin and Trotsky portrayed incorrectly?


Animal farm was strongly influenced by Orwells time in spain. So I think its more accurate to say Napolean and Snowball are representatives of common revelutionary charecters. essentialy Animal farm was a representation of every revolution ever and it displays Orwells distrust of revolutions or at least revolutionary idealism. I do think Orwell used Stalin and Trotsky to base his ideas on for Napolean and snowball, more so for Stalin than trotsky.
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Re: Ask me anything about the Soviet Union or Russia

Postby Victor Sullivan on Sat Aug 14, 2010 5:52 am

Interesting. I had not heard that interpretation before.
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Postby 2dimes on Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:39 am

Have you seen the black square?
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Re: Ask me anything about the Soviet Union or Russia

Postby nietzsche on Fri Jan 13, 2012 3:03 am

Is Russia getting ready for a future war with USA?
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Re: Ask me anything about the Soviet Union or Russia

Postby barackattack on Fri Jan 13, 2012 9:22 am

Do you think the USSR would have crumbled without Gorbachev's help?
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Postby Baron Von PWN on Fri Jan 13, 2012 10:09 am

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2dimes wrote:Have you seen the black square?



I'm not sure what you're referencing. So no.

Is Russia getting ready for a future war with USA?


Such a war would be an absolute disaster for all involved. The Kremlin is smart enough to know that. What the Russians are doing is rebuilding some of that old soviet muscle and pushing at the amercians in places the Americans don't really have a firm hold. Think the summer war in 2006, the Shanghai co-operative agreement, Eurasian Union.

These weren't moves leading up to direct confrontation think more of a game on conquerclub where one player has grabbed a tenuous hold of half the map and then other players slowly pick away at loosely held areas.

In recent years Russian foreign policy people have been talking about "multi polarity" on the global stage, instead of the metropole of the USA you would see a diffusion of power more similar to pre-ww1 where you had multiple actors with a similar level of power. Russian wants very badly to be one of those poles and is trying to use its oil wealth and soviet technological base to do it. A direct confrontation with the US now would be the last thing the Russians want.

Perhaps in the next 50 years this would happen, more likely though will be a gradual recognition by the Americans that they can't keep their fingers in all the pies and they will pull back.

Do you think the USSR would have crumbled without Gorbachev's help?


This just about the crux of all Soviet studies "why did the Soviet Union collapse"

I don't think Soviet collapse was inevitable. There was sufficient common cause to hold it together, even today you will find nostalgics in every single former republic.

I think Gorbachev had the right idea, he saw the writing on the wall. His problem was he tried to do to much at once too fast and things spun out of control. The Chinese started their economic reforms back in the late 70s and proceeded glacially away from their command economy, and over course of a generation have achieved the result you see today.

Gorbachev tried to start a similar process in a decade at the same time as massive political reforms. Nothing could have been more certain to stir up the hard-liners into doing something crazy.

So you see a simple yes or no is impossible. All I can say is maybe maybe not.

Conceivably the Soviets could have pulled another Stalin out of a hat and clamped down hard. Imagine a north Korea but instead of a few dubious nukes on rickety ass rockets, you have a few thousand on fully capable ICBMs. Would the west do shit to such a crackdown? not likely. Could the Soviet Union have done that at the point it was at? hard to say, I think not by that time it was tiered. There wasn't the fire in the Communists like there was under Stalin.

But properly done reforms could have seen a sort of reformed Soviet Union a la china. Maybe a few years down the line a re-branding of sorts away from communism. As with all what ifs in history it's a bit of a fantasy.
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Re: Ask me anything about the Soviet Union or Russia

Postby aad0906 on Fri Jan 13, 2012 12:14 pm

Что случилось с тех грузовиков Студебеккер?

это правда, что многие солдаты возвращались из Германии были отправлены в лагеря, чтобы заставить их забыть о капитализме?

что это лучший способ поднять женщин в Санкт-Петербурге?
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Postby 2dimes on Fri Jan 13, 2012 12:44 pm

Baron Von PWN wrote:
2dimes wrote:Have you seen the black square?



I'm not sure what you're referencing. So no.


I was watching a program about the Hermatige. There was an artist that was painting when Stalin took power. Stalin's official rules for art was it now had to be immeadeatly understandable and portray everyone working for the advancement of the United Republic. One of the curators said, "Stalin hated thought." This aritist continued to paint abstract. In protest he painted a black square. His family kept it in a potato crate for many years.

Back to the story of the guy, Stalin had him put in a famous prison and "treated" with isolation and sleep deprivation. He also had him finger printed. After he was treated enough he began to paint a little more in the acceptable manner yet was using unauthorized colours and shapes.

Eventually his family found the painting somewhat recently and offered it to the Hermatige for a million dollars. Unfourtunately several other black square paintings suddenly surfaced and then were being offered also. Then they noticed there were finger prints on the back of the frame of the one the family had. Those finger prints matched the ones "on file forever." that Stalin had them take from the artist. This verified it was the origional.

Now since some Russians have accured wealth they are the ones that are not fans of the Stalin era. They like the work of this artist and are able to pay well for it. One of his paintings near the time of the production of the program had sold in New York for $60million.

Made me nostalgic for boating between Alaska and Asia like we had talked about. I have actually started flying again last year so I kind of would rather take a small plane but the price difference would be significant.
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Re: Ask me anything about the Soviet Union or Russia

Postby AlgyTaylor on Fri Jan 13, 2012 3:28 pm

PWN - what's the best English language book on Russian history from 1956 to 1980-ish?
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Re: Ask me anything about the Soviet Union or Russia

Postby Pedronicus on Fri Jan 13, 2012 5:15 pm

What is the coldest temperature ever recorded in Russia?
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Re: Ask me anything about the Soviet Union or Russia

Postby tkr4lf on Fri Jan 13, 2012 10:32 pm

Who would win in a 1 on 1 fight? A member of the Spetznaz, or a Navy Seal?


Do you think Stalin's stache kind of made him look like a late-70's gay porn star?
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Re: Ask me anything about the Soviet Union or Russia

Postby Baron Von PWN on Fri Jan 13, 2012 11:51 pm

aad0906 wrote:1.Что случилось с тех грузовиков Студебеккер?

2.это правда, что многие солдаты возвращались из Германии были отправлены в лагеря, чтобы заставить их забыть о капитализме?

3.что это лучший способ поднять женщин в Санкт-Петербурге?



Iam thoroughly hammed. Therefore I am in a perfect state to attempt to translate Russian without any aids whatsover. Including spellcheck.

1. What do you listen to with a studebaker truck? I'm not sure. I will say some smooth jazz, perhaps accompinied by a glass of red wine and a boxomed lass.

2. Is it true that allot of soldiers who fought in germany were punished in order to forget about capitalsim? Yes. Sortof. I half think this is urban legend though as so many soldiers fought inGermany it is hard to beleive that they would have all been purged. Though this is stalinist Russia so maybe!

3.what's the best spot too meet ladies in st.petersburg. First of al, you should have assked the best spot to meet pretty ladies. It is very easy to meet babushkas but realy unless you have a hankering for pirojski who cares. The best place is st.petersburgs many bars and clubs. I know this is a cop out, but I was a bookish foreing exchange student. Not exactly the type to moisten panties,.

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Re: Ask me anything about the Soviet Union or Russia

Postby aad0906 on Sat Jan 14, 2012 3:47 pm

Pretty good. I like pierogi's though. There's a really good pierogi place on 3rd Avenue in Manhattan. They have a great borsjt there too. There'a also a great Ukrainian restaurant there.
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Re: Ask me anything about the Soviet Union or Russia

Postby BigBallinStalin on Sat Jan 14, 2012 5:58 pm

Which country/side started the Cold War?
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Re: Ask me anything about the Soviet Union or Russia

Postby barackattack on Sat Jan 14, 2012 6:10 pm

BigBallinStalin wrote:Which country/side started the Cold War?


Germany.
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Re: Ask me anything about the Soviet Union or Russia

Postby Baron Von PWN on Sun Jan 15, 2012 11:56 am

barackattack wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:Which country/side started the Cold War?


Germany.

That is dumb.


To answer the question in a non silly way.

I suppose I would have to say it started as soon as western interventionist efforts in Russia stopped.

However I would say the adversarial relationship started with the revolution. The bolsheviks were busy saying things like "the capitalists will sell us the rope to hang them with!". So they were making pretty clear their intentions, as well they came about by wipping out one of the west's key allies. Really its stunning they even survived.

Anyways I'm of the opinion that the conflict was just about inevitable due to the nature of how the bolsheviks came to power. In that case I would say the Communists started it by simply comming to be. Their objective was the overthrow of capitalism there was bound to be conflict so long as they kept that goal first and foremost in their hearts.
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Re:

Postby Baron Von PWN on Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:04 pm

2dimes wrote:
Baron Von PWN wrote:
2dimes wrote:Have you seen the black square?



I'm not sure what you're referencing. So no.


I was watching a program about the Hermatige. There was an artist that was painting when Stalin took power. Stalin's official rules for art was it now had to be immeadeatly understandable and portray everyone working for the advancement of the United Republic. One of the curators said, "Stalin hated thought." This aritist continued to paint abstract. In protest he painted a black square. His family kept it in a potato crate for many years.

Back to the story of the guy, Stalin had him put in a famous prison and "treated" with isolation and sleep deprivation. He also had him finger printed. After he was treated enough he began to paint a little more in the acceptable manner yet was using unauthorized colours and shapes.

Eventually his family found the painting somewhat recently and offered it to the Hermatige for a million dollars. Unfourtunately several other black square paintings suddenly surfaced and then were being offered also. Then they noticed there were finger prints on the back of the frame of the one the family had. Those finger prints matched the ones "on file forever." that Stalin had them take from the artist. This verified it was the origional.

Now since some Russians have accured wealth they are the ones that are not fans of the Stalin era. They like the work of this artist and are able to pay well for it. One of his paintings near the time of the production of the program had sold in New York for $60million.

Made me nostalgic for boating between Alaska and Asia like we had talked about. I have actually started flying again last year so I kind of would rather take a small plane but the price difference would be significant.


That is very cool, thank you for sharing. It's like the saying goes the more you learn the less you know.

By the way the art style you mention is called "Socialist Realism" it was supposed to ensure that even culture would work towards to goal of communism. Some great works of art were created under the style but it was mainly put in to control culture and ensure everyone was on message.

Stalin had this view about all things actually. He once said something allong the lines of "we must push the people so that to go back would mean death". Basically he wanted to implicate evryone so totally that to go back would mean any new regime would have to kill them. Which reveals allot about how Stalin thought really.
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Postby 2dimes on Sun Jan 15, 2012 1:29 pm

Yeah Stallin's time of rules is one of those things that is tough to pin down.

In many ways it was horrible because of the oppression of anyone who is weak under the guise, "They're lazy and unproductive so they must face punishment, perhaps to the point of death."

I think we cannot deny it was the most productive and progressive time for them regarding technology.
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Re: Ask me anything about the Soviet Union or Russia

Postby Baron Von PWN on Sun Jan 15, 2012 11:59 pm

AlgyTaylor wrote:PWN - what's the best English language book on Russian history from 1956 to 1980-ish?


Oh god I can't even begin to pretend to know this, so many good books out there.

If your just looking for a good general History of the period. Probably any modern "History of Russia/ Soviet Union" type book would do the trick. You want to make sure it was written at least post 2000's as the author would have then had access to Russian archives, anything before then tend to be a little weak due to lack of access to source material.

The one I have is "A history of Russia" by Nicholas V.Riasanovsky and Mark D.Steinberg. Get the most recent edition as they update it fairly frequently. It's a little ponderous but extremely thorough covering cultural/economic and political events from pre-history to the modern day all in one volume! It also has quite a bit of academic acclaim.

Here's a link on amazon. http://www.amazon.com/History-Russia-Ni ... b_title_bk

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tkr4lf wrote:Who would win in a 1 on 1 fight? A member of the Spetznaz, or a Navy Seal?


Do you think Stalin's stache kind of made him look like a late-70's gay porn star?


I'm going to go with spetznaz as their training has no concern for things like human rights.

No. Porn staches are sleazy looking and do not exude calm iron fisted authority quite like Stalin's did.

2dimes wrote:Yeah Stallin's time of rules is one of those things that is tough to pin down.

In many ways it was horrible because of the oppression of anyone who is weak under the guise, "They're lazy and unproductive so they must face punishment, perhaps to the point of death."

I think we cannot deny it was the most productive and progressive time for them regarding technology.


Often Stalinist repression was undertook for no reason other than to be repressive. Stalin felt the stick was the best motivator and called for allot of motivation. I would agree with the second part, with the qualifier that much of it was a game of catch up and that even their space accomplishments piggy backed on captured German scientist's works. Certainly Stalinist Russia accomplished great scientific and industrial feats (the costs were horrific though).
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Postby 2dimes on Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:36 am

I just spotted this thread and googled "black square". I wasn't paying much attention to the way they pronounced the artist's name on that program I was watching. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazimir_Malevich
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Re: Ask me anything about the Soviet Union or Russia

Postby ViperOverLord on Mon Jan 23, 2012 9:09 pm

Putin has been the leader since 2000 and in March he's supposed to win another six year presidential term. Is Putin the de facto dictator?

P.S. I think I or someone else may have asked you this already and you gave the opinion that someone else was really in charge. But I need a refresher.
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Re: Ask me anything about the Soviet Union or Russia

Postby saxitoxin on Mon Jan 23, 2012 9:28 pm

ViperOverLord wrote:Putin has been the leader since 2000 and in March he's supposed to win another six year presidential term. Is Putin the de facto dictator?

P.S. I think I or someone else may have asked you this already and you gave the opinion that someone else was really in charge. But I need a refresher.


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Re: Ask me anything about the Soviet Union or Russia

Postby Baron Von PWN on Tue Jan 24, 2012 1:32 am

ViperOverLord wrote:Putin has been the leader since 2000 and in March he's supposed to win another six year presidential term. Is Putin the de facto dictator?

P.S. I think I or someone else may have asked you this already and you gave the opinion that someone else was really in charge. But I need a refresher.



Dictator is a very strong word which I hesitate to use. While he has a great deal of power it is certainly not unlimited, and the duma(Russian parliament) does occasionally turn down some of his policies. So I would say he is a quasi- dictator. While he is certainly authoritarian in many ways, power is still shared to some degree. Also the reaction to recent unrest in Russia has been quite restrained, demonstrations have been allowed to occur and though there were some arrest of prominent opposition members few were held for long. There has also been talk of reform, don't hold your breath. So it is my opinion he is not quite a dictator, though there are certainly many who would disagree with me and say he is in fact a dictator.

I believe the question you are referring to is whether or not Medvedev (Russia's current president) was truly wearing the pants or not. Though Putin was Prime Minister he was calling all the shots.

It was recently announced that Putin would be running for president and Medvedev would tap out and become Prime minister.
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Re: Ask me anything about the Soviet Union or Russia

Postby Baron Von PWN on Tue Jan 24, 2012 1:39 am

Aradhus wrote:Do you speak Russian, Baron?

If yes, is it a difficult language to learn?



I do, certainly not fluently though. I would rate my Russian proficiency to be intermediate. I can get by, but I certainly wouldn't be able to have an in depth conversation.

The grammar can be a little tricky, but if you're good at memory work its structure actually makes things a bit easier. The grammatical rules are much more structured than in English.

Unfortunately for me I am not such a learner so I struggle with the grammar. Certain sounds in Russian are not found in English also Russian words like to use consonant clusters which can confusing to make out when starting out not to mention some words can be imposingly long. However I have a good ear for language so I got those parts down pretty good.

As always the more languages you know the easier it is to pick up new ones.
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