I LOVE this woman.....

[Qwert]

Well if you want to defeat Invasion troops,you need to change tactic. US also dont fight fair,so why will afganistan fight fair.
In WWII ,Partizans fight against much better German Armies, with guerila warfare tactic, better know how "hit and run" .
But like patches say-US mision are to kill osama bin laden,and these mission are over, if you want to in force change structure of Afganistan Goverment creating allied pupet state,then you all ready failed, and you can stay 100 years,you will not change nothing. Right now, US army use Bombardment tactic,and dont send infantry to find afganistan insurgent,and armor units are not operational in high mountains country,same like in Bosnia in WWII,where German Army had dificulty to use Armor units.
Its look that Talibans have more experience in these strategy,then US, who are much more superior in weapons,and all other texnic,but dont have to much effect,in outcome of these war.

[DirtyDishSoap]

The ironic thing is that Afghanistan is sitting on top of huge resources of rare Earth elements and they waste their time growing opium. They got a gold mine and could be a fabulously wealthy nation if they ever got their shit together and exploited all those elements. But they are what they are, a tribal culture that few outside understand. It's easy to call them savages and cowards. It makes it all the more of a surprise when people finally understand the other name Afghanistan goes by-
"The Graveyard of Foreign Armies".

Even funnier, those same resources have been bought out by China. Expect them here soon to start mining the shit out of everything.

[KoolBak]

DDS...thanks for the posts; Me and my family and friends all send our heartfelt thanks to you and yours - we appreciate your sacrifices and, although we all have to deal with bullshit in all forms, I thank you for defending our freedoms

(you're still a punk......and I owe you a hell of a lot of beers when you ever make it over here.....lol)

[patches70]

The ironic thing is that Afghanistan is sitting on top of huge resources of rare Earth elements and they waste their time growing opium. They got a gold mine and could be a fabulously wealthy nation if they ever got their shit together and exploited all those elements. But they are what they are, a tribal culture that few outside understand. It's easy to call them savages and cowards. It makes it all the more of a surprise when people finally understand the other name Afghanistan goes by-
"The Graveyard of Foreign Armies".

Even funnier, those same resources have been bought out by China. Expect them here soon to start mining the shit out of everything.

Oh, I know the Chinese have bought a lot of the mining rights but they won't mine Afghanistan, it's too unstable a region. China already controls around 95% of all rare Earth element resources as it stands now. They're just keeping anyone else from getting alternate supplies.

If the Chinese do start trying to exploit those resources you can bet your ass that they'll be a lot smarter about it than we have been. They won't invade Afghanistan and bring in tons of Chinese troops. They'll find a way to be invited as is Afghan custom. The Chinese will find a way to reach an agreement without having to use their military.

The Chinese are on pace to be a bigger economy than the US in another decade or so. They are able to do this because they don't get embroiled in costly and futile military endeavors.
God bless our troops. One of our guys is worth more than a 1,000 Afghans IMO. But the US is in no position to reshape the world or dictate to other peoples how they are to run their own nation (or tribes for that matter) or to even impose any type of moral prerogative upon anyone in the world through coercion or force of arms. Hell, we can't even agree among ourselves what is moral and what is not.
Bin Laden is dead. Afghanistan is a shithole and always will be. Time to get the hell out and let the Afghans get back to killing each other like they've always been since before the days of Alexander the Great. If he couldn't conquer Afghanistan we sure as hell won't be able to.

[DirtyDishSoap]

DDS...thanks for the posts; Me and my family and friends all send our heartfelt thanks to you and yours - we appreciate your sacrifices and, although we all have to deal with bullshit in all forms, I thank you for defending our freedoms

(you're still a punk......and I owe you a hell of a lot of beers when you ever make it over here.....lol)

Yeah, well, you're old....And I'll hold you to it whenever I get back.

[2dimes]

Careful sunshine. Old kind of sneaks up on ya.

[KoolBak]

Bingo Dimey

DDS.....hopefully I'll live that long....and my liver will hold out......lol

[2dimes]

I for one am shocked and dismayed they have not perfected a viable fibreglass liver replacement.

[natty dread]

One of our guys is worth more than a 1,000 Afghans IMO.

One of your guys is worth exactly one guy of any other country or culture. There's no human being on this planet that is somehow more valuable than any other human being.

[Qwert]

One of our guys is worth more than a 1,000 Afghans IMO.

One of your guys is worth exactly one guy of any other country or culture. There's no human being on this planet that is somehow more valuable than any other human being.

Aryan Race,,, One race who are more worthy then all other races.

[BigBallinStalin]

One of our guys is worth more than a 1,000 Afghans IMO.

One of your guys is worth exactly one guy of any other country or culture. There's no human being on this planet that is somehow more valuable than any other human being.

Sure there is. Valuation is subjective. Humans don't have this imaginary intrinsic value which sets them all as equal in value, and even if they did, you'd still have to deal with people subjectively valuing certain individuals over other individuals.

Your actions betray your unequal preferences for other human beings--as does anyone's. For example:

You and your girlfriend are having a lovely chat about philosophy until a man steps into your house and drags in a stranger. For the sake of argument, you have no choice but to adhere to his demand because he has a gun, and you can't do anything about it. He gives you a choice:

"I'm going to kill your girlfriend or this stranger. Which do you want to spare?"

You posit that all humans are equal in value, but we know that's not true because you would choose to have your girlfriend spared. You valued the girlfriend more than the stranger; therefore, certain humans are more valuable than others.

[natty dread]

Valuation is subjective.

Exactly my point. The objective value of all human beings is exactly equal.

[BigBallinStalin]

Valuation is subjective.

Exactly my point. The objective value of all human beings is exactly equal.

....

Show me how that is true.


I don't get it. First you say: "One of your guys is worth exactly one guy of any other country or culture. There's no human being on this planet that is somehow more valuable than any other human being."

Obviously, that isn't true when a reality comes into to play, and you agree, but then you say "the objective value of all human beings is exactly equal."

...

[MeDeFe]

BBS, could you explain why the fact that individuals care more about some people than about other people means that these other people are worth less? That seems to be what you're arguing, and I don't quite get it.

[ViperOverLord]

BBS, could you explain why the fact that individuals care more about some people than about other people means that these other people are worth less? That seems to be what you're arguing, and I don't quite get it.

Perhaps he refers to their temporal values.

[General Brock II]

Because, and I'm just saying, if you do, does that really mesh with the concept of lowering yourself to the level of a terrorist's complete disregard for human life.

Gawd, I can't believe I'm replying to a fucking chan letter...

And there goes your claim to morality. Ironic.

[BigBallinStalin]

BBS, could you explain why the fact that individuals care more about some people than about other people means that these other people are worth less?

These people are worth less to who?

Valuation depends on the actor, i.e. it depends on his or her perspective in a particular time and place.

Value is relative. It depends on the person's expectation to gain from a certain course of action compared to alternative actions (i.e. opportunity costs). That expectation to gain is influenced by caring, emotions, etc., but it's also influenced by whatever perceived value a person expects to gain when making a decision.


For example, consider natty_dread's girlfriend v. stranger scenario. Natty's choosing to save his girlfriend at the expense of the stranger's life does not imply that the stranger's value is worth less to everyone (or worth less in a objective sense). The value of the stranger's life is worth less than the value of natty's girlfriend in that particular time and place. Given a different situation and time, the relative values would probably change but only from natty's perspective. There is no objective equal value on all humans lives (as natty keeps asserting, yet he agrees that valuation is subjective, which doesn't make sense). Valuation just depends on the person making the decision, which requires placing relative values on particular individuals.


If the above doesn't explain it well enough, then what does "value" mean to you?

[BigBallinStalin]

BBS, could you explain why the fact that individuals care more about some people than about other people means that these other people are worth less? That seems to be what you're arguing, and I don't quite get it.

Perhaps he refers to their temporal values.

It's not limited to only time.

[Aradhus]

I feel it is my duty to inform you all that I seriously considered killing myself while reading this thread. Which from your perspective is an improvement as my usual impulses when reading topics in this forum is to kill the people posting in the topic. From my perspective though, it is a worsening of my position as I generally value my life over yours.




the impulse to kill you guys never goes away though.

[natty dread]

There is no objective equal value on all humans lives

If the objective value of each human being is zero, then all the humans have equal objective value.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

-TG

[ViperOverLord]

BBS, could you explain why the fact that individuals care more about some people than about other people means that these other people are worth less? That seems to be what you're arguing, and I don't quite get it.

Perhaps he refers to their temporal values.

It's not limited to only time.

Time is the medium in which we are operating. If you are claiming some sort of post life insight then do tell.

[BigBallinStalin]

There is no objective equal value on all humans lives

If the objective value of each human being is zero, then all the humans have equal objective value.

That's nice, natty. You still haven't shown that such an objective value exists.

[BigBallinStalin]

BBS, could you explain why the fact that individuals care more about some people than about other people means that these other people are worth less? That seems to be what you're arguing, and I don't quite get it.

Perhaps he refers to their temporal values.

It's not limited to only time.

Time is the medium in which we are operating. If you are claiming some sort of post life insight then do tell.

I'm not. Hit CTRL + F, and type in "place." When you find my posts, stop and read them.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

BBS, could you explain why the fact that individuals care more about some people than about other people means that these other people are worth less? That seems to be what you're arguing, and I don't quite get it.

Perhaps he refers to their temporal values.

It's not limited to only time.

Time is the medium in which we are operating. If you are claiming some sort of post life insight then do tell.

I'm not. Hit CTRL + F, and type in "place." When you find my posts, stop and read them.

Then hit CTRL + F4.

-TG