Italian Style Mafia Thread: FSO wins!

[codierose]

turns over in his grave i miss you to leehar

[MoB Deadly]

Hey guys I am here and will be catching up on my games tonight. I may not get to all of them but I give you my word I will post a very contributing post tonight.

Im not intentionally submarining, I have had some things come up at Work and 3 different birthdays this weekend. And I even missed quite a few CC turns as well.

Heres 1.
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2012-02-04 11:07:22 - MoB Deadly missed a turn

I was trying to make a post before dinner and the Superbowl, but the banter between codie and jgordon was really really confusing to say the least. I've read through it once and I think I do have an explanation for the mislynch.

[dazza2008]

Hi guys. I am here and just caught up on the reading. I was not on a lot over the weekwnd. I was busy with my kids and playing football(soccer).

How would an insane stalker work then? Sounds stupid to me. Insane cops get the opposite result but what is the opposite for a stalker? I does not make any sense to me.

Leehar why do you avoid so many questions?

I have asked you twice if you have to target someone or is it a choice? If it is a choice you played it badly by killing on night 1.

I think we have to believe that you are a poisoner but how can you prove you are mafia? I am worried that you are a third party killer. FBI poisoner makes no sense so it is pretty safe to rule that out in my opinion.

[jgordon1111]

thank you for basically confirming my role again everywhere. And yes Was acting like an idiot because my confirmations were inaccurate. per codie not targeting The general N2.

[MoB Deadly]

I am still pretty confused trying to put this together.

codierose
Investigated WW N1 (except WW was on our team, why didnt he get an anti mafia result if he was insane?)
Investigated jak111 Night 2

Jgordon
Stalked WW N1, he got the result he visited me.
Stalked Codie last night - got a result of General.

Jack
N1 - Saving this info I think?
N2 - Switched Codie and General.

So.......... If JGordon stalked Codie, he would have really stalked General due do Jak's bussing. So, general visited himself? Why didnt JGordon get the bus driver with his results as well?

I am very confused on whats going on. Theres no obvious reason for Jgordon for lying and playing so aggressively against Codie... but I honestly dont see an explanation for this info. Can anyone help clear this up at all?

[MoB Deadly]

Just to explain the above post... I went in it with the mentality of figuring out how we mislynched Codie and how the information got mixed up due to bussing. But now it seems like the bussing wasnt the only factor here. it almost seems like jgordon made it all up, but I dont see any motive for him to do that.

[jgordon1111]

codie got lynched due to the fact that my results were he targeted the general N2, He said he did not. It went from there, his role was insane as well as I believe mine is per the scene by everywhere.

[dazza2008]

codie got lynched due to the fact that my results were he targeted the general N2, He said he did not. It went from there, his role was insane as well as I believe mine is per the scene by everywhere.

Can a staker be insane? It makes no sense at all. How can you get an opposite result?

[Leehar]

The bus-driving could explain some of the general-codie-jgordon stuff but there must be something else going on. Jgord says insanity, but perhaps something else entirely if its possible.

And sorry daz, I wasn't dodging the Q's, it's just that since in my head I haven't really seen you post much, so I perhaps skim over the little that you do say, or because I'm going through a couple+ pages, that it's hard to keep a question one person asks a few pages back in your mind when you're posting and usually concentrating on the latest developments on that latest page?

And yes, I do have the choice, and you may think I played it badly, but please keep in mind that I am still a bit of a relative beginner at mafia, and my reasoning was pretty much that since I have such a slow-acting role, I have to take the opportunity to use my action whence I can, or else completely miss the ball? If it's the wrong attitude to have, then I do apologize, and I hope you'll continue to try help and explain to me on general attitudes when playing in different roles etc, but I honestly really do have a 'fear' if you can call it that, of being useless in a sense. So I don't want to miss opportunities and regret later, so if it is possible for me to do something I do try to do it.
And look at what happened to the hitman? he died so early on without probably doing anything? Those are the things I really do want to avoid, and which I think are a complete waste, so I do try my utmost to do what I can...

[SPARTACUS1974]

Wait, great point for Jgordon, do you guys remember that scene from codie's lynch? We could therefore assume that was gordon and he's also insane? I don't agree that you should've done nothing tho. Bad info is sometimes as important as good info? Who knows, it could also actually be that you were just busdriven by jak? (he didn't say his target n1), maybe that confused your l0t?
Ok, at least sparticus is piping in.
What about Dazza, I completely forgot about him/her!

jgordon has not had his actions confirmed at all the set was set because the mod was saying they acted like idiots while posting lol.
so with jgordon going for codi was this due to him being scum or was he having bad info? im sure he would know if his role was insane or not so with this i vote jgordon

[SPARTACUS1974]

Not a framer, and yes that scene was because of mine and codie's back and forth, everywhere kinda told you who and what I am. So yes like I have said my info is bad,so no I dont like the idea of targeting someone and then having bad info, In this case I cant trust any info I get. Read that scene again everyone please and you will know why I wont target anyone.

But all of you need to step up the pace in any info gathering time you have. 48 hrs or less left
and really no one moving forward.

It come to it lynch me before you speed lynch someone without a good reason

then use your night actions as you see fit.

If some of you feel questionable about your roles like they have unusual names not common, be very suspicious of what you can and cant do.

The N. Fowleri infections had to do with your actions in the thread, not your roles. It was a not-so-subtle way of saying you were acting like an idiot. Like I said before, I have created memes based on the events of this thread, although I won't reveal them until the game is over.

This is where the mod says it has nothing to do with your roles jgordon

[jgordon1111]

Leehar take note of who is questioning me and remember. codie was maybe right in some of his thoughts.

[SPARTACUS1974]

i am just asking why you say the mod confirmed your role but he says he has not ? and yes leehar keep a note on who is asking questions because something is not right here

[jgordon1111]

sorry for double post. Well as for acting like an idiot, LOL amusing,beings the roles were created to make conflict codie being a insane cop my targets coming back incorrect, so naturally me and codie went head to head and acted like Idiots, we had conflicting info. That is unusual in most games. Lynch me please push it as hard as you can. As I said leehar remember who pushes for me, especially if they start backing up and changing their minds.

[SPARTACUS1974]

so help me here jgordon what would you think sitting in my seat, and im still not convinced about leehars role and poisoning on the first night to me that is way to risky ok he said he is new to mafia but so am i and i know that its to risky to make a kill on the first night , what do you think about that?

[jgordon1111]

for me on a night I am unsure, I will hold to see if day 2 info is better which it usually is. But if I get the feeling someone is scum yeah I will take them out. and again before you speed lynch someone take me out and use your night actions as you see best.

[dazza2008]

Jgordon I asked you how an insane stalker would work. I would believe you but that to me is not a role that could be insane.

Cops can be insane because they just get the opposite result but how can your role get an opposite result?

[safariguy5]

Jgordon I asked you how an insane stalker would work. I would believe you but that to me is not a role that could be insane.

Cops can be insane because they just get the opposite result but how can your role get an opposite result?

I think that the busdriving got the stalker to stalk the wrong person. I'm thinking the Mafia Stalker is like a tracker, follow someone each night and see who they visit.

So did MoB claim? I think dazza claimed the Mafia Bomb, and I think Mob is the only one who hasn't claimed yet.

I'm a bit concerned with all these killing roles. Bomb is a pretty big X-Factor, can either hurt or help town, but considering we apparently have both a poisoner and a hitman (vig) as well could have been really bad for town if people started killing on Night 1. I'm not completely convinced that mafia would have so many killing roles (besides the fact that flavor implies mafia would have lots of them) but I'll wait for the last claim before reviewing all the roles to see if I can see any that are less believable to me.

[dazza2008]

Jgordon I asked you how an insane stalker would work. I would believe you but that to me is not a role that could be insane.

Cops can be insane because they just get the opposite result but how can your role get an opposite result?

I think that the busdriving got the stalker to stalk the wrong person. I'm thinking the Mafia Stalker is like a tracker, follow someone each night and see who they visit.

So did MoB claim? I think dazza claimed the Mafia Bomb, and I think Mob is the only one who hasn't claimed yet.

I'm a bit concerned with all these killing roles. Bomb is a pretty big X-Factor, can either hurt or help town, but considering we apparently have both a poisoner and a hitman (vig) as well could have been really bad for town if people started killing on Night 1. I'm not completely convinced that mafia would have so many killing roles (besides the fact that flavor implies mafia would have lots of them) but I'll wait for the last claim before reviewing all the roles to see if I can see any that are less believable to me.

I never claimed bomb. Sparticus did.

[safariguy5]

Jgordon I asked you how an insane stalker would work. I would believe you but that to me is not a role that could be insane.

Cops can be insane because they just get the opposite result but how can your role get an opposite result?

I think that the busdriving got the stalker to stalk the wrong person. I'm thinking the Mafia Stalker is like a tracker, follow someone each night and see who they visit.

So did MoB claim? I think dazza claimed the Mafia Bomb, and I think Mob is the only one who hasn't claimed yet.

I'm a bit concerned with all these killing roles. Bomb is a pretty big X-Factor, can either hurt or help town, but considering we apparently have both a poisoner and a hitman (vig) as well could have been really bad for town if people started killing on Night 1. I'm not completely convinced that mafia would have so many killing roles (besides the fact that flavor implies mafia would have lots of them) but I'll wait for the last claim before reviewing all the roles to see if I can see any that are less believable to me.

I never claimed bomb. Sparticus did.

My bad, did you or Mob claim and I missed it? Because you two are the only ones unclaimed or uncleared and we might as well get all the claims out now.

[jak111]

I am still pretty confused trying to put this together.

codierose
Investigated WW N1 (except WW was on our team, why didnt he get an anti mafia result if he was insane?)
Investigated jak111 Night 2

Jgordon
Stalked WW N1, he got the result he visited me.
Stalked Codie last night - got a result of General.

Jack
N1 - Saving this info I think?
N2 - Switched Codie and General.

So.......... If JGordon stalked Codie, he would have really stalked General due do Jak's bussing. So, general visited himself? Why didnt JGordon get the bus driver with his results as well?

I am very confused on whats going on. Theres no obvious reason for Jgordon for lying and playing so aggressively against Codie... but I honestly dont see an explanation for this info. Can anyone help clear this up at all?

If you took the time and read above I said what I did on 1st night. And I'm waiting for you and dazza to claim so I can start putting the peices fully together.

[dazza2008]

Ok so we want to have everyone claimed. Makes sense.

I am the mafia silencer - I can choose 1 player per night to be silenced for the next day. I have not used my powers at all yet and I doubt I will. In a normal game this would be a useful role but since mafia is town here if I used it it would not help us at all.

[jgordon1111]

Nope N1 I stalked WW got a result he targeted MoB
N2 stalked codie got a result he targeted the general.

N2 is what got me and codie going head to head. He said he didnt. My results showed he did.

And if you guys read that stuff before the lynch, I tried to tell codie and all of you something was wrong.

That if he was telling the truth there was a problem. those roles were designed to pit us against each other.

therefore My not seeing the problem for what it actually was I got codie lynched.

With the roles being what they were, I think anyone I target will give me a bad result.

ergo I didnt target N3

With crazymilkshake being a quack and codie being insane, I am not sure of my role at this point.

So again without a good reason dont speed lynch and make another mistake, and yes 2 people need to come forward fast and say something.

Dazza and MoB why are you hanging back

[dazza2008]

Nope N1 I stalked WW got a result he targeted MoB
N2 stalked codie got a result he targeted the general.

N2 is what got me and codie going head to head. He said he didnt. My results showed he did.

And if you guys read that stuff before the lynch, I tried to tell codie and all of you something was wrong.

That if he was telling the truth there was a problem. those roles were designed to pit us against each other.

therefore My not seeing the problem for what it actually was I got codie lynched.

With the roles being what they were, I think anyone I target will give me a bad result.

ergo I didnt target N3

With crazymilkshake being a quack and codie being insane, I am not sure of my role at this point.

So again without a good reason dont speed lynch and make another mistake, and yes 2 people need to come forward fast and say something.

Dazza and MoB why are you hanging back

If codie was busdriven that is where you were getting confused. It means codie targeted himself

I claimed in the post before yours. Thats some crazy skimming right there. Read the thread buddy. It helps.

[jak111]

Well, you're off the hook for any fake roles, silencer IS a real role for townies. But we'll have to piece it together once MoB claims, and if he doesn't... it won't be too good for him.