Dazza's 1st Mafia - Mafia Win

[Nebuchadnezer]

Well, here is my hang up with the whole deal.

1. Town has no idea who is good and bad.
2. Town's only way to win is to get a good lynch on mafia.
3. Town NEEDS power roles to help win.
4. One player has claimed a Town power role.
5. There is no counter-claim.

Yet, somehow, given all this, we have our TOWN COP at L-1!!!?!?!? Those voting for Codie are either the REAL cop, or MAFIA. If you are town and still voting for Codie, you need to re-think why you are voting to lynch the COP. If you are the real cop, please say so. We will get codie and the doc can protect you.

I don't care how good or bad Codie makes an argument...HE'S THE TOWN COP!

Until we have another claim, we have to go on the facts that are presented. The biggest fact being, we have a claim of Town Cop, that is so far unchallenged. You can say he's "scummy" "acting stupid" or "has two heads"...He could be Eagleblade claiming Cop, and I'm still not lynching him (no offense Eagleblade ) Why? He's one of the few power roles the town gets. It's okay for Town to go on hunches when FACTS are not presented. It's not okay to vote for our unchallenged Town Cop.

Being town, I have nothing else to dissuade me from his claim. I cannot in good conscience hammer our town cop. I also urge those town to pull their votes back and rethink this whole thing. To keep your vote on Codierose, is a statement saying you are mafia.

Please show me where I am wrong.

[codierose]

comparing me to Eagleblade please give me a break
and thank you finally some sense
oh i'm at L2

[Nebuchadnezer]

Phew...I missed pershy's unvote...okay more room to breathe while the town actually THINKS about what is going on.

:lol: comparing me to Eagleblade please give me a break

Wasn't saying you were Eagleblade. Perhaps, I should say, "if Satan himself was playing and had a clean claim on Town Cop, I'm not lynching him."

[codierose]

dazz boss m8 can we have a prod of the in actives they have not posted for quit some time now

[Iron Butterfly]

Well, here is my hang up with the whole deal.

1. Town has no idea who is good and bad.
2. Town's only way to win is to get a good lynch on mafia.
3. Town NEEDS power roles to help win.
4. One player has claimed a Town power role.
5. There is no counter-claim.

Yet, somehow, given all this, we have our TOWN COP at L-1!!!?!?!? Those voting for Codie are either the REAL cop, or MAFIA. If you are town and still voting for Codie, you need to re-think why you are voting to lynch the COP. If you are the real cop, please say so. We will get codie and the doc can protect you.

I don't care how good or bad Codie makes an argument...HE'S THE TOWN COP!

Until we have another claim, we have to go on the facts that are presented. The biggest fact being, we have a claim of Town Cop, that is so far unchallenged. You can say he's "scummy" "acting stupid" or "has two heads"...He could be Eagleblade claiming Cop, and I'm still not lynching him (no offense Eagleblade ) Why? He's one of the few power roles the town gets. It's okay for Town to go on hunches when FACTS are not presented. It's not okay to vote for our unchallenged Town Cop.

Being town, I have nothing else to dissuade me from his claim. I cannot in good conscience hammer our town cop. I also urge those town to pull their votes back and rethink this whole thing. To keep your vote on Codierose, is a statement saying you are mafia.

Please show me where I am wrong.

I would like to know what you suggest. While you have a right to your opinion it doesnt make it right. I will however say this..Mafia loves to sit back and watch town eat itself up. We only have a handful of people in the conversation.

I think for this day we go with either Cat or Cod unless you are suggesting we pressure someone else, which I think would be silly as cases dont get stronger then this. With your reasoning am I to understand you think we should lynch Cat?

[Nebuchadnezer]

I could live with Cat over Cod, given that I would like to preserve our Town Cop.

Cat has overplayed the "I'm new...I don't know what I'm doing...I'm town...I'm not smart enough to think..." angle. If she says she's "new" one more time I may just vote to lynch her.

However, let's have her claim, and see what that brings? Might as well see what the big hubbub is...

Also, listen to your own advice. We are most likely tearing ourselves to pieces over this. Some7hing Clever has said NOTHING in a while. Soundman and Ragian haven't come back with this new info...we have time.

[codierose]

i personally feel i fell into a scum trap me the cop that is
there is one that stands out even more so since his posts on page 18 even though hes jumped to my aid i think thats just a clever ploy

[Iron Butterfly]

i personally feel i fell into a scum trap me the cop that is
there is one that stands out even more so since his posts on page 18 even though hes jumped to my aid i think thats just a clever ploy

I understand what your saying. The problem as it stands is that you say you are cop and got a positive reading on Cat. Either One of you is lieing, you have a role that gives false readings, or there is a framer.

The strongest case at the moment involves you and Cat.

[codierose]

yes your correct but you have to consider the possibility we both are town i agree that it might come down to me or cat but your going to lose a cop and ?? i dont want cat to claim but there might be no choice unless we make i case on someone else

[catnipdreams]

This is just so odd - fine, I will try to not say the "n" word again, but why are people just ignoring the logic of how I almost can't be Mafia, exactly because I am in the middle of this? Assume there are three Mafia players in this game, and that they agreed on their target. Would all three agree to kill edocsil, if I were one of the three? Would NONE of the three mafia players realize that it would be a really bad idea to kill edocsil, if I were one of those three?

It just does not add up.

Either codierose is lying about being a cop, or a low probabliity event gave him an incorrect result for his investigation. If codierose is lying, and the only way to prove it is to have the real cop claim, thus exposing his role, I would rather take my chances with being lynched than exposing the real cop. If codierose is indeed the cop, then there is the question of how he ended up with an incorrect result, and whether it will happen again with future investigations.

FYI, I will be busy with real life for most of the weekend, so I'm not sure I will be posting much until Monday, but I will try to check in as I can.

But as people discuss this, and hopefully ALL the players will contribute, please ask yourselves: how does it make sense that I, and two other mafia aligned players, would ever do this, if I were mafia aligned? Take out the controversy over codierose for the time being, and just ask yourselves, "does it make sense for three mafia aligned players to spotlight one of their own like I am now spotlighted?" If your answer is "no", then take it one step further: I am Town.

[codierose]

or third party
we have just talked about the possibility that you are town you have just skimmed over it.
i now that im town you say you know your town so lay your cards on the table like i have lets see where it gets us possibly 2 dead town ive given up caring right now if you say im lying again or im N at least ive been open to the suggestion you telling the truth you just wont budge claim and be done with it

[soundman]

Well there has been no counterclaim and as much as I'm suspicious of Codie, I have to Unvote.

This is the way I see it. What are the chances of a framer being in the game? In all the games I've played I think there has only been one with a framer. A game this size usually has about three mafia with the roles Godfather, Roleblocker, and Goon. I'm not saying it's impossible that there's a framer, just unlikely. So with Codie's investigation saying guilty on Cat I think our choice is clear. We lynch Cat. If she turns up scum then great, we've cleared Codie and taken down a mafia member. If she turns up town then there are only three options I can think of: 1. Codie is lying and the real cop is laying low, 2. There is a framer in the game, or 3. Codie is a paranoid cop.

So with Codie's guilty result I'm going to Vote Cat.

[Iron Butterfly]

This is just so odd - fine, I will try to not say the "n" word again, but why are people just ignoring the logic of how I almost can't be Mafia, exactly because I am in the middle of this? Assume there are three Mafia players in this game, and that they agreed on their target. Would all three agree to kill edocsil, if I were one of the three? Would NONE of the three mafia players realize that it would be a really bad idea to kill edocsil, if I were one of those three?

Remenber the WIFO video from princess bride? Same concept. Thats the funny part about mafia. Somthing can make perfect sense but there is always someone who says, "wait what if..." One can easily argue that they did it because some would think they did it as a ploy. we also have alot of people not particiapating for a variety of reasons. In this game one can assume nothing. I initially beleived Cod was skummy...I still do to some extent..but there IS a possibility you are BOTH Town. There is no reason we cant try and explore all avenues. Plus there are some such as Neb, who beleive if someone claims a power role like cop or doc you let them slide till proven wrong.

It just does not add up.
Alot of times it doesnt until everyones dead and you see how everything fits. Lets say there is a framer...that throws the whole reasoning out the window. Remeber even though there is a small chance for people to win the lottery...people still win.

Either codierose is lying about being a cop, or a low probabliity event gave him an incorrect result for his investigation. If codierose is lying, and the only way to prove it is to have the real cop claim, thus exposing his role, I would rather take my chances with being lynched than exposing the real cop. If codierose is indeed the cop, then there is the question of how he ended up with an incorrect result, and whether it will happen again with future investigations.
I agree, which is why Mafia is such a interesting game to play.

FYI, I will be busy with real life for most of the weekend, so I'm not sure I will be posting much until Monday, but I will try to check in as I can.

But as people discuss this, and hopefully ALL the players will contribute, please ask yourselves: how does it make sense that I, and two other mafia aligned players, would ever do this, if I were mafia aligned? Take out the controversy over codierose for the time being, and just ask yourselves, "does it make sense for three mafia aligned players to spotlight one of their own like I am now spotlighted?" If your answer is "no", then take it one step further: I am Town.

[color=#FF0000]LOL you would think it makes sense but remembern if you are Town Mafia will try to change[ the direction of that argument in many different ways. Your not just battling the truth your battling severl\el unknown people trying to get Town killed./color]

[dazza2008]

Vote Count

codierose(3) - tenbar, catnipdreams, Iron Butterfly
pershy(2) - Nebuchadnezer, Djfireside
catnipdreams(4) - MoB Deadly, codierose, pershy, soundman L-2

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

[dazza2008]

Tell me who you would like prodded and I will.

[codierose]

Some7hingCLEVER
Ragian

[dazza2008]

Some7hingCLEVER
Ragian

Prodded

[codierose]

[tenbar]

Unvote vote cat

Gotta accept the cop claim until we hear a counter.

[codierose]

cat your l1 need a claim now

[catnipdreams]

Ok, bummer I couldn't avoid this: I am a variant of a JOAT. I can be a cop, a doc, a roleblocker, or I can kill. I am Town.

Trick is, I don't know which of these four functions will happen to my target.

I did indeed target edocsil, as he seemed the scummiest to me as we went into night. Yep, "that comment" again.

After laughing myself silly when I got the role (I had a Town power role in my first mafia game as well - no simple Vanilla Townie roles for me, no siree!), I settled on the strategy of targeting the scummiest looking player each night. It would be annoying to end up protecting a mafia killer, but I also might stop a kill, discover someone's alignment, or best of all, kill one of the scum players. Downside is I might kill a town player, or block a town player with a night action. All in all, an interesting variable tossed into the mix, and kudos to the mod for making it interesting.

As to edocsil, I did not receive any investigation report on him, either because I did not investigate him, or because it didn't matter, as he was dead. I obviously did not protect him, so skip the doc function. Roleblock? Likely, as he did not kill anyone before he was killed. Did I kill him, as well as the Mafia? There was only one bullet that killed him, so I assume that was the Mafia kill, as I can't see any reason at all for Mafia to not make a night kill.

I strongly suspect my time in this game is short now, so "good game" to you all, and "Go Town!" And my apologies to you all if there was a better way to play my role; I did the best I could with it.

[Iron Butterfly]

If there is a choice between you and Cod we must lynch you im my opinion. If your role is real its such a useless role in that you cnt help or harm anyone without control of the results.

In Cats defense I fimd it very hard to beleive Mafia would admit targeting Edocil such as Cat did but we also are presented with the fact that there is only one night death, which worries me. We could have an arsonist if I understand the role correctly. Why would Mafia not attempt a nightkill or maybe they did and both Cat and Mafia did.

Unvote Cod

[codierose]

could cat have kill edoc and mafia got roleblocked ?? but why did i get a guilty on cat aswell

[codierose]

before the hammer are we going to formulate a plan on my investigation for tonight

[Ragian]

Just checking in to say that I'm active. It's a busy weekend for me. I'll read and post tomorrow. Sorry for the lack of contribution. *Arnold voice* I'll be back.