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Re: US Senate: 1,000+ Days Since Previous Budget

Postby patches70 on Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:22 pm

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I'm not sure where any of this disagrees at all with any of the points I made.


Ha! You said it wouldn't be so bad if we raised taxes to the required amounts to keep current spending levels sustainable. Yes, you did offer the caveat that spending needs to be addressed.

Spending needs to be addressed period. Forget raising taxes, forget sticking it to the man, forget government creating jobs (as if they could create any jobs that actually produced anything). You claim I'm taking the side of the rich people when I'm not in any way. I'm taking the side of the government is spending too much of our money and it has to stop. Which it will one way or another. We can do it voluntarily or it can all just collapse. Either way it stops. I prefer that we did it voluntarily so we can avoid the massive social unrest and needless deaths the latter would entail.
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Re: US Senate: 1,000+ Days Since Previous Budget

Postby Woodruff on Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:27 pm

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Woodruff wrote:
I'm not sure where any of this disagrees at all with any of the points I made.


Ha! You said it wouldn't be so bad if we raised taxes to the required amounts to keep current spending levels sustainable.


You seriously need to work on your reading skills. This is the second time you've made a statement about something I've said that was incredibly wrong.
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Re: US Senate: 1,000+ Days Since Previous Budget

Postby patches70 on Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:38 pm

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patches70 wrote:
Woodruff wrote:
I'm not sure where any of this disagrees at all with any of the points I made.


Ha! You said it wouldn't be so bad if we raised taxes to the required amounts to keep current spending levels sustainable.


You seriously need to work on your reading skills. This is the second time you've made a statement about something I've said that was incredibly wrong.


Ok then, why don't you actually explain yourself thoroughly when you made this statement-

Woodruff wrote:I seem to distinctly remember you supporting the claim of the "flight of the millionairres" if taxes are raised on the rich. Am I misremembering?


I don't know what the f*ck you are talking about. Explain yours thinking here, I can't read your mind.
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Re: US Senate: 1,000+ Days Since Previous Budget

Postby BigBallinStalin on Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:43 pm

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Re: US Senate: 1,000+ Days Since Previous Budget

Postby Woodruff on Thu Feb 16, 2012 5:04 pm

patches70 wrote:
Woodruff wrote:
patches70 wrote:
Woodruff wrote:
I'm not sure where any of this disagrees at all with any of the points I made.


Ha! You said it wouldn't be so bad if we raised taxes to the required amounts to keep current spending levels sustainable.


You seriously need to work on your reading skills. This is the second time you've made a statement about something I've said that was incredibly wrong.


Ok then, why don't you actually explain yourself thoroughly when you made this statement-

Woodruff wrote:I seem to distinctly remember you supporting the claim of the "flight of the millionairres" if taxes are raised on the rich. Am I misremembering?


I don't know what the f*ck you are talking about. Explain yours thinking here, I can't read your mind.


Uh...it seems quite apparent to me that statement means that distinctly remember you supporting the claim of the "flight of the millionaires" if taxes are raised on the rich, and then I asked you if that was accurate. How does that POSSIBLY equate to me saying that it wouldn't be so bad if we raised taxes to the required amounts to keep current spending levels sustainable? As far as I can tell, the one has absolutely nothing at all to do with the other. I mean...this seems like gradeschool level reading comprehension to me.
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Re: US Senate: 1,000+ Days Since Previous Budget

Postby spurgistan on Thu Feb 16, 2012 5:59 pm

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you're not going to leave because we raise the top tax bracket to 39.6%.


And you are taking out of context of the discussion that the tax bracket would be raised to 92% (along with increases to 25% and 66% for lower and middle incomes respectively). I maintain that people wouldn't stand for that for a minute. Others claim that people would just suck it up and take it. Rich people wouldn't take it, they'd just leave because they have the means to leave. Everyone else either has to let the government take more and more of their money or take to the streets. Like in Greece.


Wow. I don't know what to say about this, except GIMME WHAT YOU'RE SMOKING. NOW.
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Re: US Senate: 1,000+ Days Since Previous Budget

Postby patches70 on Thu Feb 16, 2012 6:16 pm

Woodruff wrote:Uh...it seems quite apparent to me that statement means that distinctly remember you supporting the claim of the "flight of the millionaires" if taxes are raised on the rich, and then I asked you if that was accurate.


I've already provided links showing people are leaving the US over taxes. The hypothetical situation of raising the tax rates to 92% on the highest bracket as the means to which sustain current spending levels would lead to a mass exodus of business and individuals seeking an escape to a completely unfeasible tax rate. How can that be proven? Raise the tax to that level and see.

Woodruff wrote: How does that POSSIBLY equate to me saying that it wouldn't be so bad if we raised taxes to the required amounts to keep current spending levels sustainable?


You said this-
Woodruff wrote:First of all, it's certainly "do-able". That doesn't mean it's the right thing to do or that we need to do it, but it's certainly "do-able".


It's not "do-able", it'd be a disaster. My fault, maybe you didn't mean "do-able=not so bad". You should probably be a bit more clear with such statements.....

Woodruff wrote: As far as I can tell, the one has absolutely nothing at all to do with the other. I mean...this seems like gradeschool level reading comprehension to me.


You don't make yourself very clear.
I never used the term "flight of the millionaires". Hell, I started thinking maybe you were taking issue that I would certainly support anyone leaving the US if they so wished. I do. Don't you? If an individual wants to renounce their American citizenship then more power to them. Rich or poor, young or old, man or woman.
Not only that, but if an individual so chose then they should be able to take all their possessions with them as well, which equates to Money. They can take their money with them.
It seemed like you might have issue with that, if someone wished to leave the US because of over taxation that you might think it would be wrong somehow that they could leave and take all their money with them.
But you certainly wouldn't be so totalitarian would you?

I maintain, and have always maintained that the issue of taxing the rich more is in no way even close to being a solution to the spending problem the US government has. That whole line is just BS used by both parties to get people to take their side politically. Whoring for votes.

Looking at the US budgets, the draw down in Iraq is complete. Did the budget lower any? I mean, if we don't have to spend all that money in Iraq anymore then the budget should reflect that wouldn't you think? It didn't.
All government did was spend that money on something else. There are no cuts. Government spending to try and create jobs in an effort to "grow our way" to prosperity doesn't work. It's all money down the toilet that we and future generations have to pay and it's immoral.
Just like over spending and instead of cutting back decide to work out schemes to take more money from anyone who has any, including the middle class.
The government is taking in over $2trillion a year as it stands now. If they can't make ends meet with that then there is something seriously wrong don't you think?
There are only 5 nations on the entire planet that spend more than $1 trillion+ a year.
There are only 2 nations on the entire planet that spend more than $2 trillion+ a year.
There is only 1 nation that is spending $3trillion+.

The US budget for 2013 is bigger than the combined budgets of Germany, France and China* combined (#'s 3, 4 and 5 on the list of biggest budgets in the world).

*as of 2010

There is surely something wrong and it's not because the US doesn't tax enough. The problem lies squarely on the spending.
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Re: US Senate: 1,000+ Days Since Previous Budget

Postby Woodruff on Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:09 pm

patches70 wrote:
Woodruff wrote: How does that POSSIBLY equate to me saying that it wouldn't be so bad if we raised taxes to the required amounts to keep current spending levels sustainable?


You said this-
Woodruff wrote:First of all, it's certainly "do-able". That doesn't mean it's the right thing to do or that we need to do it, but it's certainly "do-able".


It's not "do-able", it'd be a disaster. My fault, maybe you didn't mean "do-able=not so bad". You should probably be a bit more clear with such statements...


No, you should use words in a way that equates to their actual meaning. "Do-able" doesn't mean anything other than "can be done". So this is absolutely "do-able".

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Woodruff wrote: As far as I can tell, the one has absolutely nothing at all to do with the other. I mean...this seems like gradeschool level reading comprehension to me.


You don't make yourself very clear.


If English is your second or third language, that may be true. Otherwise, I'm afraid you're just not reading very carefully.

patches70 wrote:I never used the term "flight of the millionaires".


No, you probably didn't use that specific term. My point (and I actually phrased it as a question, because I wasn't sure!) was that you felt that was a "thing that would happen" (that's usually what "I seem to distinctly remember you supporting the claim of the "flight of the millionairres" if taxes are raised on the rich. Am I misremembering?" would mean to someone who is actually bothering to read the typed word). You see the term "supporting the claim" there, right? This isn't hard, patches...I'll try to walk you through this 4th-grade English lesson!

patches70 wrote:Hell, I started thinking maybe you were taking issue that I would certainly support anyone leaving the US if they so wished. I do. Don't you?


Support it? Not really...I wouldn't oppose it either. I just wouldn't care, particularly.

patches70 wrote:It seemed like you might have issue with that, if someone wished to leave the US because of over taxation that you might think it would be wrong somehow that they could leave and take all their money with them.
But you certainly wouldn't be so totalitarian would you?


Sometimes, it's like we're not even speaking the same language. I've never implied anything of the sort. It almost makes you look dishonest, but I hate to put that on you without determining whether you're just unable to read.
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Re: US Senate: 1,000+ Days Since Previous Budget

Postby BigBallinStalin on Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:27 pm

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Re: US Senate: 1,000+ Days Since Previous Budget

Postby patches70 on Thu Mar 29, 2012 11:43 am

Obama's submitted budget, defeated in the House 414-0. Not a single representative voted for it, not even the Democrats. That's how bad Obama's budget was.

http://p.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/ ... wn-defeat/

The other submitted budget, a "bi-partisan" budget was defeated 382-28.

Yet another year of endless spending and no one willing to stand up and justify it by putting their own reelection on the line.
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