Santorum

[PLAYER57832]

Actually, conservatism has nothing to do with preserving the status quo.

No, Nightstrike, that IS the traditional definition of conservative versus liberal. What you refer to is a politically expedient definition that has arisen mostly in the past 20 years.

The status quo is for an ever-expanding government. Conservatism means following the original intent and actual policies of the Constitution instead of expanding it by judicial fiat rather than actual amendments. Conservatism means conserving our freedoms from the tyranny of a large government. Conservatism means only allowing the government to spend what it takes in instead of taking out trillions of dollars in debt to pass on to our posterity.

This first part is just your view. You can sort of call it constitutionalism (though that is not really correct), but its not really conservativism. The term "conservative" is used more frequently today by folks like Perry and Santorum. They are therefore changing the definition.

The second part is a definition that now gets put most commonly under the label "fiscal conservative". Really, the terms are getting bandied about and twisted so much as to have little meaning... and THAT really is a true agenda. The more people fail to really understand what politicians say, the easier it is to get them to just vote for whatever those in real power want.

[Woodruff]

And the middle is not moving to the right. Unfortunately. Our country would be MUCH better off if it did. Obama is just so far left compared to any president in the last 40 years that is seems that every challenge to him is from the right wing (probably because he claimed to be a centrist in the campaign but has done nothing to govern from anywhere but the left).

Do you even think about things before you say them? I mean this seriously...did you actually think to yourself that the above statements actually made sense and wouldn't make you look like a buffoon? Ronald Reagan thinks you're a horse's ass.

[Night Strike]

And the middle is not moving to the right. Unfortunately. Our country would be MUCH better off if it did. Obama is just so far left compared to any president in the last 40 years that is seems that every challenge to him is from the right wing (probably because he claimed to be a centrist in the campaign but has done nothing to govern from anywhere but the left).

Do you even think about things before you say them? I mean this seriously...did you actually think to yourself that the above statements actually made sense and wouldn't make you look like a buffoon? Ronald Reagan thinks you're a horse's ass.

Most of the people on this site think conservatives are buffoons by default, no matter what we say. And Obama IS the most liberal president since Johnson, as they both established massive new government entitlements. These entitlements force individuals to be dependent upon the government and have put us on a trajectory of never-ending unfunded mandates that we will never be able to climb out from.

[Woodruff]

And the middle is not moving to the right. Unfortunately. Our country would be MUCH better off if it did. Obama is just so far left compared to any president in the last 40 years that is seems that every challenge to him is from the right wing (probably because he claimed to be a centrist in the campaign but has done nothing to govern from anywhere but the left).

Do you even think about things before you say them? I mean this seriously...did you actually think to yourself that the above statements actually made sense and wouldn't make you look like a buffoon? Ronald Reagan thinks you're a horse's ass.

Most of the people on this site think conservatives are buffoons by default, no matter what we say.

I don't believe that's true at all. I may think SPECIFIC conservatives are buffoons (the majority who would fit my definition are in governmental positions), but I don't at all think of conservatives in general as buffoons. And I don't believe that a majority of even liberals (never mind "most people on this site") do.

And Obama IS the most liberal president since Johnson, as they both established massive new government entitlements. These entitlements force individuals to be dependent upon the government and have put us on a trajectory of never-ending unfunded mandates that we will never be able to climb out from.

The idea that Obama has been a liberal President is honestly ludicrous. It's like you can't get past his healthcare policy to see him for what he is. So he's been the most liberal President since Johnson? Frankly, that's not saying much.

[Symmetry]

And the middle is not moving to the right. Unfortunately. Our country would be MUCH better off if it did. Obama is just so far left compared to any president in the last 40 years that is seems that every challenge to him is from the right wing (probably because he claimed to be a centrist in the campaign but has done nothing to govern from anywhere but the left).

Do you even think about things before you say them? I mean this seriously...did you actually think to yourself that the above statements actually made sense and wouldn't make you look like a buffoon? Ronald Reagan thinks you're a horse's ass.

Most of the people on this site think conservatives are buffoons by default, no matter what we say. And Obama IS the most liberal president since Johnson, as they both established massive new government entitlements. These entitlements force individuals to be dependent upon the government and have put us on a trajectory of never-ending unfunded mandates that we will never be able to climb out from.

Perhaps you could look at what conservatism means outside of the United States. You might find some different perspectives. Surprisingly enough, conservatism as a political philosophy does not specifically require strict adherence to certain interpretations of the US constitution (I was actually a little surprised that you managed to get through a post without referring to it).

Personally, if it's any consolation, I find this site to be pretty conservative.

[tkr4lf]

Personally, if it's any consolation, I find this site to be pretty conservative.

I find this site to be a good mix of conservative and liberal.

I think it works much the same way on this website as it does in the real world.

You've got your people from the right, you've got your people from the left, and you've got the (far fewer) people in the middle.

The people from the left and the people from the right bicker nonstop about extremely polarized topics and accomplish nothing, much like in government. The people in the middle are largely ignored and pushed aside because the majority (those on the left and the right) think that everything has to be broken down into either left or right. And if you're not on their side, then you're a massive idiot and your opinion doesn't count for anything.

Nobody learns anything, nobody changes their mind, people just stay entrenched in their positions and refuse to give an inch. Well, rarely somebody will admit that they may have been wrong and actually alter their stance, but it is truly rare.

For the most part, in my opinion, this site mirrors the real world pretty well. A bunch of fucking idiots arguing about a bunch of fucking nonsense that doesn't matter that much in the grand scale of things. And then we all wonder why nothing ever changes, why nothing ever gets done. Well, look in the mirror.

[BigBallinStalin]

Personally, if it's any consolation, I find this site to be pretty conservative.

I find this site to be a good mix of conservative and liberal.

I think it works much the same way on this website as it does in the real world.

You've got your people from the right, you've got your people from the left, and you've got the (far fewer) people in the middle.

The people from the left and the people from the right bicker nonstop about extremely polarized topics and accomplish nothing, much like in government. The people in the middle are largely ignored and pushed aside because the majority (those on the left and the right) think that everything has to be broken down into either left or right. And if you're not on their side, then you're a massive idiot and your opinion doesn't count for anything.

Nobody learns anything, nobody changes their mind, people just stay entrenched in their positions and refuse to give an inch. Well, rarely somebody will admit that they may have been wrong and actually alter their stance, but it is truly rare.

For the most part, in my opinion, this site mirrors the real world pretty well. A bunch of fucking idiots arguing about a bunch of fucking nonsense that doesn't matter that much in the grand scale of things. And then we all wonder why nothing ever changes, why nothing ever gets done. Well, look in the mirror.

I disagree.

[Symmetry]

Personally, if it's any consolation, I find this site to be pretty conservative.

I find this site to be a good mix of conservative and liberal.

I think it works much the same way on this website as it does in the real world.

You've got your people from the right, you've got your people from the left, and you've got the (far fewer) people in the middle.

The people from the left and the people from the right bicker nonstop about extremely polarized topics and accomplish nothing, much like in government. The people in the middle are largely ignored and pushed aside because the majority (those on the left and the right) think that everything has to be broken down into either left or right. And if you're not on their side, then you're a massive idiot and your opinion doesn't count for anything.

Nobody learns anything, nobody changes their mind, people just stay entrenched in their positions and refuse to give an inch. Well, rarely somebody will admit that they may have been wrong and actually alter their stance, but it is truly rare.

For the most part, in my opinion, this site mirrors the real world pretty well. A bunch of fucking idiots arguing about a bunch of fucking nonsense that doesn't matter that much in the grand scale of things. And then we all wonder why nothing ever changes, why nothing ever gets done. Well, look in the mirror.

Heh, fair enough. I get a bit philosophical about what I write and whether it makes a difference to anyone at all pretty often, or wonder if I'm just arguing for the sake of arguing.

Generally, I think this site is pretty American-conservative. Most threads about economic or moral issues end up in a discussion about the American constitution, or US law. This, of course, not being the best place to talk about the subject, but the US is kind of way right in terms of conservative politics vs the rest of the world. It's very difficult not to talk in American terms here, especially when there's so much hostility toward outside opinions.

[tkr4lf]

Personally, if it's any consolation, I find this site to be pretty conservative.

I find this site to be a good mix of conservative and liberal.

I think it works much the same way on this website as it does in the real world.

You've got your people from the right, you've got your people from the left, and you've got the (far fewer) people in the middle.

The people from the left and the people from the right bicker nonstop about extremely polarized topics and accomplish nothing, much like in government. The people in the middle are largely ignored and pushed aside because the majority (those on the left and the right) think that everything has to be broken down into either left or right. And if you're not on their side, then you're a massive idiot and your opinion doesn't count for anything.

Nobody learns anything, nobody changes their mind, people just stay entrenched in their positions and refuse to give an inch. Well, rarely somebody will admit that they may have been wrong and actually alter their stance, but it is truly rare.

For the most part, in my opinion, this site mirrors the real world pretty well. A bunch of fucking idiots arguing about a bunch of fucking nonsense that doesn't matter that much in the grand scale of things. And then we all wonder why nothing ever changes, why nothing ever gets done. Well, look in the mirror.

I disagree.

While I disagree with your statement, I will defend to the death your right to say it.

[The Bison King]

Personally, if it's any consolation, I find this site to be pretty conservative.

I find this site to be a good mix of conservative and liberal.

I think it works much the same way on this website as it does in the real world.

You've got your people from the right, you've got your people from the left, and you've got the (far fewer) people in the middle.

The people from the left and the people from the right bicker nonstop about extremely polarized topics and accomplish nothing, much like in government. The people in the middle are largely ignored and pushed aside because the majority (those on the left and the right) think that everything has to be broken down into either left or right. And if you're not on their side, then you're a massive idiot and your opinion doesn't count for anything.

Nobody learns anything, nobody changes their mind, people just stay entrenched in their positions and refuse to give an inch. Well, rarely somebody will admit that they may have been wrong and actually alter their stance, but it is truly rare.

For the most part, in my opinion, this site mirrors the real world pretty well. A bunch of fucking idiots arguing about a bunch of fucking nonsense that doesn't matter that much in the grand scale of things. And then we all wonder why nothing ever changes, why nothing ever gets done. Well, look in the mirror.

I agree.

[tkr4lf]

Personally, if it's any consolation, I find this site to be pretty conservative.

I find this site to be a good mix of conservative and liberal.

I think it works much the same way on this website as it does in the real world.

You've got your people from the right, you've got your people from the left, and you've got the (far fewer) people in the middle.

The people from the left and the people from the right bicker nonstop about extremely polarized topics and accomplish nothing, much like in government. The people in the middle are largely ignored and pushed aside because the majority (those on the left and the right) think that everything has to be broken down into either left or right. And if you're not on their side, then you're a massive idiot and your opinion doesn't count for anything.

Nobody learns anything, nobody changes their mind, people just stay entrenched in their positions and refuse to give an inch. Well, rarely somebody will admit that they may have been wrong and actually alter their stance, but it is truly rare.

For the most part, in my opinion, this site mirrors the real world pretty well. A bunch of fucking idiots arguing about a bunch of fucking nonsense that doesn't matter that much in the grand scale of things. And then we all wonder why nothing ever changes, why nothing ever gets done. Well, look in the mirror.

Heh, fair enough. I get a bit philosophical about what I write and whether it makes a difference to anyone at all pretty often, or wonder if I'm just arguing for the sake of arguing.

Generally, I think this site is pretty American-conservative. Most threads about economic or moral issues end up in a discussion about the American constitution, or US law. This, of course, not being the best place to talk about the subject, but the US is kind of way right in terms of conservative politics vs the rest of the world. It's very difficult not to talk in American terms here, especially when there's so much hostility toward outside opinions.

I agree with the underlined, but I think that tends to happen since there are so many Americans that frequent this forum.

Just to be clear, I wasn't targeting anybody with what I said. It wasn't meant to disparage anybody, more just to point out a trend that I notice. Occasionally, I forget what a cesspool this place can be and inject myself into the conversations, but I tend to regret it afterwards. The bolded part above kind of expresses my sentiments on that.

Anyway, carry on faithful forum denizens. Don't let my ramblings disrupt the partisan back and forth prevalent in these parts. We need more TPDS threads and huge pictures of bald eagles.

[Symmetry]

Personally, if it's any consolation, I find this site to be pretty conservative.

I find this site to be a good mix of conservative and liberal.

I think it works much the same way on this website as it does in the real world.

You've got your people from the right, you've got your people from the left, and you've got the (far fewer) people in the middle.

The people from the left and the people from the right bicker nonstop about extremely polarized topics and accomplish nothing, much like in government. The people in the middle are largely ignored and pushed aside because the majority (those on the left and the right) think that everything has to be broken down into either left or right. And if you're not on their side, then you're a massive idiot and your opinion doesn't count for anything.

Nobody learns anything, nobody changes their mind, people just stay entrenched in their positions and refuse to give an inch. Well, rarely somebody will admit that they may have been wrong and actually alter their stance, but it is truly rare.

For the most part, in my opinion, this site mirrors the real world pretty well. A bunch of fucking idiots arguing about a bunch of fucking nonsense that doesn't matter that much in the grand scale of things. And then we all wonder why nothing ever changes, why nothing ever gets done. Well, look in the mirror.

Heh, fair enough. I get a bit philosophical about what I write and whether it makes a difference to anyone at all pretty often, or wonder if I'm just arguing for the sake of arguing.

Generally, I think this site is pretty American-conservative. Most threads about economic or moral issues end up in a discussion about the American constitution, or US law. This, of course, not being the best place to talk about the subject, but the US is kind of way right in terms of conservative politics vs the rest of the world. It's very difficult not to talk in American terms here, especially when there's so much hostility toward outside opinions.

I agree with the underlined, but I think that tends to happen since there are so many Americans that frequent this forum.

Just to be clear, I wasn't targeting anybody with what I said. It wasn't meant to disparage anybody, more just to point out a trend that I notice. Occasionally, I forget what a cesspool this place can be and inject myself into the conversations, but I tend to regret it afterwards. The bolded part above kind of expresses my sentiments on that.

Anyway, carry on faithful forum denizens. Don't let my ramblings disrupt the partisan back and forth prevalent in these parts. We need more TPDS threads and huge pictures of bald eagles.

Didn't think you were, just waxing philosophical.

[Woodruff]

Personally, if it's any consolation, I find this site to be pretty conservative.

I find this site to be a good mix of conservative and liberal.

I agree. It's a fairly even mix, I think.

[natty dread]

sick rant! or, um...

[PLAYER57832]

And the middle is not moving to the right. Unfortunately. Our country would be MUCH better off if it did. Obama is just so far left compared to any president in the last 40 years that is seems that every challenge to him is from the right wing (probably because he claimed to be a centrist in the campaign but has done nothing to govern from anywhere but the left).

Do you even think about things before you say them? I mean this seriously...did you actually think to yourself that the above statements actually made sense and wouldn't make you look like a buffoon? Ronald Reagan thinks you're a horse's ass.

Most of the people on this site think conservatives are buffoons by default, no matter what we say. And Obama IS the most liberal president since Johnson, as they both established massive new government entitlements. These entitlements force individuals to be dependent upon the government and have put us on a trajectory of never-ending unfunded mandates that we will never be able to climb out from.

Nightstrike, you make plain that you know NOTIHNG of recent history, despite your claims of expertise.

I am not really happy with Obama, but to call him the most liberal since Johnson is ridiculous. He has upped the patriot act, etc for one thing. Per the social services stuff, though Republicans tout Obama as being the "welfar president", Quite a few people were on welfare under Bush. The tragedy is that many of those getting services now are WORKING people. That is a failure of corporate regulation, it is a back-handed subsidy, allowing BIG companies --fast foods, low end retailers, gas stations, etc. To h hire workers for low wages without a huge protest because their kids were starving. In the 30's kids DID starve.

I don't think even you really want us to return to that. But, it would be nice if you actually thought out what would really happen if your ideas came to fruition before you spout off this garbage.

And yeah.. Ronald Reagan absolutely WOULD consider you an ASS!

[natty dread]

Ronald Reagan absolutely WOULD consider you an ASS!

Weirdest insult I ever heard.

[PLAYER57832]

Ronald Reagan absolutely WOULD consider you an ASS!

Weirdest insult I ever heard.

I did not agree with a lot of Ronald Reagan's politics, but he was always a gentleman.. and actually very, very intelligent.

[Night Strike]

And the middle is not moving to the right. Unfortunately. Our country would be MUCH better off if it did. Obama is just so far left compared to any president in the last 40 years that is seems that every challenge to him is from the right wing (probably because he claimed to be a centrist in the campaign but has done nothing to govern from anywhere but the left).

Do you even think about things before you say them? I mean this seriously...did you actually think to yourself that the above statements actually made sense and wouldn't make you look like a buffoon? Ronald Reagan thinks you're a horse's ass.

Most of the people on this site think conservatives are buffoons by default, no matter what we say. And Obama IS the most liberal president since Johnson, as they both established massive new government entitlements. These entitlements force individuals to be dependent upon the government and have put us on a trajectory of never-ending unfunded mandates that we will never be able to climb out from.

Nightstrike, you make plain that you know NOTIHNG of recent history, despite your claims of expertise.

I am not really happy with Obama, but to call him the most liberal since Johnson is ridiculous. He has upped the patriot act, etc for one thing. Per the social services stuff, though Republicans tout Obama as being the "welfar president", Quite a few people were on welfare under Bush. The tragedy is that many of those getting services now are WORKING people. That is a failure of corporate regulation, it is a back-handed subsidy, allowing BIG companies --fast foods, low end retailers, gas stations, etc. To h hire workers for low wages without a huge protest because their kids were starving. In the 30's kids DID starve.

I don't think even you really want us to return to that. But, it would be nice if you actually thought out what would really happen if your ideas came to fruition before you spout off this garbage.

And yeah.. Ronald Reagan absolutely WOULD consider you an ASS!

You mistakenly believe that liberals don't want things like the PATRIOT ACT. Liberals want a bigger federal government, not a smaller one. And you're trying to revise history in regards to Obama being the food-stamp president. It's because his policies have extended unemployment handouts way beyond where they were ever intended to last. It's because his policies cause businesses to close and many others to never start because of the massive artificial barriers of entry he has placed on the marketplace. He has succeeded in his desire to make energy prices "necessarily skyrocket", which hurts every small business trying to succeed in the marketplace. And if you feel that the government is bailing employers out by subsidizing the income of the employees, then cut off that government aid! The employer would either be forced to pay more or the workers would go find employment elsewhere. Bigger government is what causes these problems, not small government.

[PLAYER57832]

And the middle is not moving to the right. Unfortunately. Our country would be MUCH better off if it did. Obama is just so far left compared to any president in the last 40 years that is seems that every challenge to him is from the right wing (probably because he claimed to be a centrist in the campaign but has done nothing to govern from anywhere but the left).

Do you even think about things before you say them? I mean this seriously...did you actually think to yourself that the above statements actually made sense and wouldn't make you look like a buffoon? Ronald Reagan thinks you're a horse's ass.

Most of the people on this site think conservatives are buffoons by default, no matter what we say. And Obama IS the most liberal president since Johnson, as they both established massive new government entitlements. These entitlements force individuals to be dependent upon the government and have put us on a trajectory of never-ending unfunded mandates that we will never be able to climb out from.

Nightstrike, you make plain that you know NOTIHNG of recent history, despite your claims of expertise.

I am not really happy with Obama, but to call him the most liberal since Johnson is ridiculous. He has upped the patriot act, etc for one thing. Per the social services stuff, though Republicans tout Obama as being the "welfar president", Quite a few people were on welfare under Bush. The tragedy is that many of those getting services now are WORKING people. That is a failure of corporate regulation, it is a back-handed subsidy, allowing BIG companies --fast foods, low end retailers, gas stations, etc. To h hire workers for low wages without a huge protest because their kids were starving. In the 30's kids DID starve.

I don't think even you really want us to return to that. But, it would be nice if you actually thought out what would really happen if your ideas came to fruition before you spout off this garbage.

And yeah.. Ronald Reagan absolutely WOULD consider you an ASS!

You mistakenly believe that liberals don't want things like the PATRIOT ACT. Liberals want a bigger federal government, not a smaller one.

I see, so for years you have been insisting I am a flaming liberal, but I don't know what the liberal position is now?

NEWSFLASH.. fighting government eavesdropping, etc are one of the ORIGINAL truly liberal positions. Try forgetting McCarthy, the lists for the freedom fighters in the south, etc...

But don't you DARE claim that is a conservative idea!

And if you feel that the government is bailing employers out by subsidizing the income of the employees, then cut off that government aid!

I see, so you think its better to have people quite literally starving in the streets than to tell big employers to divide a tad of their multi million dollar CEO bonuses among the workers.. at what would be a SIGNIFICANT increase in those worker wages?

The employer would either be forced to pay more or the workers would go find employment elsewhere.

Brilliant, too bad nobody ever thought of that... except, well, that IS why the average wage in the US is decreasing, while CEO salaries keep going up and up.

Bigger government is what causes these problems, not small government.

Its neither. Its a climate that allows big businesses to take and get whatever advantages they want while and then making the rest of us pay for it.

[Woodruff]

You mistakenly believe that liberals don't want things like the PATRIOT ACT.

Oh for God's SAKE, Night Strike...why must you compound stupidity upon stupidity? The Patriot Act is about as anti-liberal a piece of legislation as one could create. I mean, seriously...sometimes you say the dumbest things. It's really hard to take you seriously at all when you have statements like this on your record.

[Aradhus]

Nightstrike thinks no government action is being conservative and any government action, regardless of what that is, is being liberal.

Personally, if it's any consolation, I find this site to be pretty conservative.

I find this site to be a good mix of conservative and liberal.

I think it works much the same way on this website as it does in the real world.

You've got your people from the right, you've got your people from the left, and you've got the (far fewer) people in the middle.

The people from the left and the people from the right bicker nonstop about extremely polarized topics and accomplish nothing, much like in government. The people in the middle are largely ignored and pushed aside because the majority (those on the left and the right) think that everything has to be broken down into either left or right. And if you're not on their side, then you're a massive idiot and your opinion doesn't count for anything.

Nobody learns anything, nobody changes their mind, people just stay entrenched in their positions and refuse to give an inch. Well, rarely somebody will admit that they may have been wrong and actually alter their stance, but it is truly rare.

For the most part, in my opinion, this site mirrors the real world pretty well. A bunch of fucking idiots arguing about a bunch of fucking nonsense that doesn't matter that much in the grand scale of things. And then we all wonder why nothing ever changes, why nothing ever gets done. Well, look in the mirror.

So, the people on the left are idiots, the people on the right are idiots, the people on the left and right think everyone who disagrees with them is an idiot, and they ignore the minority in the middle. The middle where the smarties are.

I'm taking a massive enormous gigantic leap here to the conclusion that you consider yourself to be in the middle..

It seems like all I ever read is the position you've articulated here. Either the middle isn't the minority you think it is, or self reporting in politics sucks major ass cheese, because everybody is biased to the idea that they're the reasonable ones and it's everyone else who is a stubborn cunt.

If you look at polls in the forum I think the conservative position tends to win, or it did, there might be more balance now, but in the past this forum was definitely more conservative.

[PLAYER57832]

If you look at polls in the forum I think the conservative position tends to win, or it did, there might be more balance now, but in the past this forum was definitely more conservative.

The thing is that the right has been very successful in redefining what used to be far right positions as "moderate" or even "liberal".

The one exception is in race. Homosexuality is now divisive among conservatives.. some otherwise conservative people, even socially conservative people have no problem with homosexuality. Almost no one is a racist any more, though the right has begun courting those groups again. (tolerating them because they concur with other aims, but not actually embracing their racist views).

Actually, that last gets to the article. I do not see conservatives embracing racism, but I see many who are more willing to "overlook" that "foible" in people who might otherwise be allies than they are to "overlook" homosexuals who actually have been allies in the past.

[PLAYER57832]

Pertinent to the bit about the government not funding research, and letting the market dictate medical stuff.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2012/02 ... ic-surgery

[tkr4lf]

Nightstrike thinks no government action is being conservative and any government action, regardless of what that is, is being liberal.

Personally, if it's any consolation, I find this site to be pretty conservative.

I find this site to be a good mix of conservative and liberal.

I think it works much the same way on this website as it does in the real world.

You've got your people from the right, you've got your people from the left, and you've got the (far fewer) people in the middle.

The people from the left and the people from the right bicker nonstop about extremely polarized topics and accomplish nothing, much like in government. The people in the middle are largely ignored and pushed aside because the majority (those on the left and the right) think that everything has to be broken down into either left or right. And if you're not on their side, then you're a massive idiot and your opinion doesn't count for anything.

Nobody learns anything, nobody changes their mind, people just stay entrenched in their positions and refuse to give an inch. Well, rarely somebody will admit that they may have been wrong and actually alter their stance, but it is truly rare.

For the most part, in my opinion, this site mirrors the real world pretty well. A bunch of fucking idiots arguing about a bunch of fucking nonsense that doesn't matter that much in the grand scale of things. And then we all wonder why nothing ever changes, why nothing ever gets done. Well, look in the mirror.

So, the people on the left are idiots, the people on the right are idiots, the people on the left and right think everyone who disagrees with them is an idiot, and they ignore the minority in the middle. The middle where the smarties are.

I'm taking a massive enormous gigantic leap here to the conclusion that you consider yourself to be in the middle..

It seems like all I ever read is the position you've articulated here. Either the middle isn't the minority you think it is, or self reporting in politics sucks major ass cheese, because everybody is biased to the idea that they're the reasonable ones and it's everyone else who is a stubborn cunt.

If you look at polls in the forum I think the conservative position tends to win, or it did, there might be more balance now, but in the past this forum was definitely more conservative.

In politics, everybody is an idiot. I never said the middle were the smarties, you said that.

All I said was that the people on the left and the right ignore the people in the middle because to them, everything must be broken down into left or right. That's the one thing I think the middle folks have over the left/right folks...they don't see fucking everything in blue or red. Other than that, they're just as massive of fucking idiots as the rest of them. The true smarties are the ones that stay the f*ck out of politics, see it for the cesspool of filth that it is.

As for this forum being more conservative in the past, I've heard that, but I don't know. All I know is that now it's pretty well balanced, so I don't see what the whining is about from the far left (e.g. pimpdave).

[Woodruff]

Ronald Reagan absolutely WOULD consider you an ASS!

Weirdest insult I ever heard.

It originated with me, based on the idea that Obama is more similar to Reagan than Night Strike would care to admit (or possibly knows).