Romeo and Juliet Mafia - Capulet Victory. +Paris+John

[SPARTACUS1974]

I apologize to anyone i've offended being new and trying to get into this game...it's not as easy as northwest passage quads so bare with me if I am ruining this experience for anyone. The last game mafia game I got booted for being inactive despite following along every page...so the message sent to me seemed to be speak...if it's wrong or dumb.

So...that being said I would like to go back for a minute to No Survivors...because again I may be slow or the bad kind of special...but I didn't think that angle was wrapped up to any satisfaction what-so-ever. If he is a modified bus-driver...and not aligned with any family...it seems to me from the character list that would make him either the chorus (which would be weird) or the apothecary.

There has to be 5 capulets and 5 montegues. Jgordon, clever, ghostly, whoever ghostly is masoned with, and romeo. Therefore it stands to reason there are 5 capulets.

With the prince, and two friars claimed...that leaves Mercutio (alligned with the montegues), Paris (aligned with the capulets to maintain fair balence) and one more character...No Survivors.

Looking at the character list, that leaves Chorus or apothecary, or something off the wall like the bard or something for no survivors to be.

My conclusion is that no survivors is the apothecary...and granted i'm new so I'm probably eating paint chips and playing under powerlines all at the same time as i'm writing this...but I would think that the apothecary is a threat to both the capulets and montegues. He is responsible largely for romeo and juliet's death...so with nine family members left in play...I think it's safe for the families to work together to eliminate this potential threat and move on to the next day. I don't see where killing general or edoc or dazza could be any more productive than eliminating the apothecary.

Hey...and families working together seems to be good for the general and edoc too...so this seems like it would be a case to benefit all. All except no survivors.

lejreljwerwkl

Sorry...that was the paintchips typing.

Vote No Survivors

ok just caught up edoc and general have got some hormone issues i think i .Calm down some of us maybe new to this but the last game a senior member lied all the way through so i trust no one.
Alt
i think your list of family members is nearly right but i know there are 6, so where does this leave us with the apothecary ?

[zimmah]

Vote count

[1] alt1978 - sg7, (L-7)
[3] TheGeneral2112 - SPARTACUS1974, chapcrap, jgordon(L-5)
[1] edocsil - ghostly (L-7)
[3] nosurvivors - alt1978, thegeneral, edoc, (L-5)

[all those guys below have 0 votes but can be voted]
Victor Sullivan
JGordon
Shieldgenerator7
dazza2008
new guy1
ghostly447
Bleed_Green
chapcrap
Leehar
SPARTACUS1974

there's 14 alive so 8 votes are needed for a lynch

[Leehar]

There's a role called Busdriver, and a completely different role called Poisoner. How can they be 1 and the same? :s
Or is that the modified part of the busdriver? so modified to become Poisoning Busdriver? A bit convoluted, since going back to the play, busdriver would be whoever swapped R&J sometime? or was that someone else?

Also, I'm not with this whole thing that the apothecracy is a bad guy either. R&J committed suicide didn't they? The apoth was just helping out with a fake poison at J's behest anyway! I'd assume the apothecracy is a lot more likely to be a Doctor then anything else as an olden day pharmacist?

I'm inclined to believe Ghostly's montague alignment as masoned, but could we have a full claim on what your actual name is? May help with that General name stuff he knows?

[edocsil]

There's a role called Busdriver, and a completely different role called Poisoner. How can they be 1 and the same? :s
Or is that the modified part of the busdriver? so modified to become Poisoning Busdriver? A bit convoluted, since going back to the play, busdriver would be whoever swapped R&J sometime? or was that someone else?

Also, I'm not with this whole thing that the apothecracy is a bad guy either. R&J committed suicide didn't they? The apoth was just helping out with a fake poison at J's behest anyway! I'd assume the apothecracy is a lot more likely to be a Doctor then anything else as an olden day pharmacist?

I'm inclined to believe Ghostly's montague alignment as masoned, but could we have a full claim on what your actual name is? May help with that General name stuff he knows?

Missing the idea with the busdriver and NS concept.

NS is a busdriver, name unknown, 3rd party aligned.

A unknown player with an unknown role is the Apothecary, 3rd party aligned.

Pressuring NS for a name will determine if he is the Apothecary, a busdriver 3rd party aligned, and fairly harmless.
If he is not, then we know the Apothecary is not a busdriver, and has the potential to be something else, and potentially harmful.

Its not that we want to hang NS or that the Apothecary is bad, it's that we want to establish the apothecary's role.

[SPARTACUS1974]

There's a role called Busdriver, and a completely different role called Poisoner. How can they be 1 and the same? :s
Or is that the modified part of the busdriver? so modified to become Poisoning Busdriver? A bit convoluted, since going back to the play, busdriver would be whoever swapped R&J sometime? or was that someone else?

Also, I'm not with this whole thing that the apothecracy is a bad guy either. R&J committed suicide didn't they? The apoth was just helping out with a fake poison at J's behest anyway! I'd assume the apothecracy is a lot more likely to be a Doctor then anything else as an olden day pharmacist?

I'm inclined to believe Ghostly's montague alignment as masoned, but could we have a full claim on what your actual name is? May help with that General name stuff he knows?

i know what you are saying the vig will be a capulet and like i said before it will be Tybalt the cousin ,
as for a busdriver being the poisoner i find this hard to take but i may be wrong ?
the apothery did not want to give romeo the poison its Romeo who asks him for the poison not the apothery trying to poison romeo.

i still cant see why the prince would protect the general for what reason ? and before you both start screaming like kids edoc and general yes some of us are new to this and may not read all between the lines like super stars like you 2

[TheGeneral2112]

There's a role called Busdriver, and a completely different role called Poisoner. How can they be 1 and the same? :s
Or is that the modified part of the busdriver? so modified to become Poisoning Busdriver? A bit convoluted, since going back to the play, busdriver would be whoever swapped R&J sometime? or was that someone else?

Also, I'm not with this whole thing that the apothecracy is a bad guy either. R&J committed suicide didn't they? The apoth was just helping out with a fake poison at J's behest anyway! I'd assume the apothecracy is a lot more likely to be a Doctor then anything else as an olden day pharmacist?

I'm inclined to believe Ghostly's montague alignment as masoned, but could we have a full claim on what your actual name is? May help with that General name stuff he knows?

i know what you are saying the vig will be a capulet and like i said before it will be Tybalt the cousin ,
as for a busdriver being the poisoner i find this hard to take but i may be wrong ?
the apothery did not want to give romeo the poison its Romeo who asks him for the poison not the apothery trying to poison romeo.

i still cant see why the prince would protect the general for what reason ? and before you both start screaming like kids edoc and general yes some of us are new to this and may not read all between the lines like super stars like you 2

1) Yes, Tybalt is the vig, how did you know this?
2) The prince protects me because my role reports to the Prince. I am a Friar. Read R&J and notice that the Friar reports to the Prince.

Also, to whoever just said that a senior player lied this whole game needs to get wrecked. I claimed invincible, which I was as long as the Prince was alive. I didn't mention that I was no longer invincible so that the vig wouldn't target me. That is what you call good strategy. Shit strategy is me claiming I'm not invincible anymore, please shoot me, vig.

[edocsil]

Wow, I have really made some friends here.

[Leehar]

1) Yes, Tybalt is the vig, how did you know this?

Because we read wiki and know that Mercutio and Tybalt were the cousins fighting each other

[edocsil]

1) Yes, Tybalt is the vig, how did you know this?

Because we read wiki and know that Mercutio and Tybalt were the cousins fighting each other

*cough* not Mercutio *Cough*

[Leehar]

He's somebodies cousin lol

[alt1978]

I apologize to anyone i've offended being new and trying to get into this game...it's not as easy as northwest passage quads so bare with me if I am ruining this experience for anyone. The last game mafia game I got booted for being inactive despite following along every page...so the message sent to me seemed to be speak...if it's wrong or dumb.

So...that being said I would like to go back for a minute to No Survivors...because again I may be slow or the bad kind of special...but I didn't think that angle was wrapped up to any satisfaction what-so-ever. If he is a modified bus-driver...and not aligned with any family...it seems to me from the character list that would make him either the chorus (which would be weird) or the apothecary.

There has to be 5 capulets and 5 montegues. Jgordon, clever, ghostly, whoever ghostly is masoned with, and romeo. Therefore it stands to reason there are 5 capulets.

With the prince, and two friars claimed...that leaves Mercutio (alligned with the montegues), Paris (aligned with the capulets to maintain fair balence) and one more character...No Survivors.

Looking at the character list, that leaves Chorus or apothecary, or something off the wall like the bard or something for no survivors to be.

My conclusion is that no survivors is the apothecary...and granted i'm new so I'm probably eating paint chips and playing under powerlines all at the same time as i'm writing this...but I would think that the apothecary is a threat to both the capulets and montegues. He is responsible largely for romeo and juliet's death...so with nine family members left in play...I think it's safe for the families to work together to eliminate this potential threat and move on to the next day. I don't see where killing general or edoc or dazza could be any more productive than eliminating the apothecary.

Hey...and families working together seems to be good for the general and edoc too...so this seems like it would be a case to benefit all. All except no survivors.

lejreljwerwkl

Sorry...that was the paintchips typing.

Vote No Survivors

ok just caught up edoc and general have got some hormone issues i think i .Calm down some of us maybe new to this but the last game a senior member lied all the way through so i trust no one.
Alt
i think your list of family members is nearly right but i know there are 6, so where does this leave us with the apothecary ?

To spartacus...I don't want to argue with you about the number of family members...but I don't think 6 true family members is possible...it should 5 with 1 affiliated with a family. If there are 6 of one family, then one of the claimed third party members has fake claimed. Edoc, general (more or less if you read between the lines), no survivors, and eldoradio are all mod confirmed third party members. For there to be 6 of one family, either there has to be an uneven number of montegues and capulets (6 of 1, 5 of the other, 4 confirmed third parties) and dazza...or dazza has fake claimed the investigative role and done one hell of a job convincing everyone he is someone he is not. I don't have any evidence on dazza to suggest that he is not third party as he has said, and I find it unlikely that there are 6 of one family and 5 of another...so I was wondering if you had any info on dazza maybe that we don't? That would also mean that there is a third party affiliated with one family...but not the other.

What seems much more likely to me is that there are the four confirmed third parties, dazza, and count paris (who would be affiliated with the capulets). Maybe I'm wrong about the game set up and symetry...it's possible..but it makes more sense to me that there are 5 capulets and 5 montegues, paris, mercutio, two friars, the prince, and the apothecary.

To Leehar and others who have questioned the apothecary's danger level...

Without his poison, Romeo doesn't die. Without Romeo dieing, Juliet doesn't die. The intentions of the apothecary matter not...what is important in regards to the play is that he is an important axle in the wheel of fate that turns out Romeo and Juliet's death. There is no way in my mind that the apothecary is not a threat to both families from this reading...so I reiterate that I think a united front to lynch leaves us all a little better off.

[SPARTACUS1974]

There's a role called Busdriver, and a completely different role called Poisoner. How can they be 1 and the same? :s
Or is that the modified part of the busdriver? so modified to become Poisoning Busdriver? A bit convoluted, since going back to the play, busdriver would be whoever swapped R&J sometime? or was that someone else?

Also, I'm not with this whole thing that the apothecracy is a bad guy either. R&J committed suicide didn't they? The apoth was just helping out with a fake poison at J's behest anyway! I'd assume the apothecracy is a lot more likely to be a Doctor then anything else as an olden day pharmacist?

I'm inclined to believe Ghostly's montague alignment as masoned, but could we have a full claim on what your actual name is? May help with that General name stuff he knows?

i know what you are saying the vig will be a capulet and like i said before it will be Tybalt the cousin ,
as for a busdriver being the poisoner i find this hard to take but i may be wrong ?
the apothery did not want to give romeo the poison its Romeo who asks him for the poison not the apothery trying to poison romeo.

i still cant see why the prince would protect the general for what reason ? and before you both start screaming like kids edoc and general yes some of us are new to this and may not read all between the lines like super stars like you 2

1) Yes, Tybalt is the vig, how did you know this?
2) The prince protects me because my role reports to the Prince. I am a Friar. Read R&J and notice that the Friar reports to the Prince.

Also, to whoever just said that a senior player lied this whole game needs to get wrecked. I claimed invincible, which I was as long as the Prince was alive. I didn't mention that I was no longer invincible so that the vig wouldn't target me. That is what you call good strategy. Shit strategy is me claiming I'm not invincible anymore, please shoot me, vig.

If you read back 5/6 pages you will see i said the names of the cousins back then so as Benvolio has been outed as a vig even a stupid noob like me can be sure that Tybalt will be the other vig its not rocket science

[SPARTACUS1974]

I apologize to anyone i've offended being new and trying to get into this game...it's not as easy as northwest passage quads so bare with me if I am ruining this experience for anyone. The last game mafia game I got booted for being inactive despite following along every page...so the message sent to me seemed to be speak...if it's wrong or dumb.

So...that being said I would like to go back for a minute to No Survivors...because again I may be slow or the bad kind of special...but I didn't think that angle was wrapped up to any satisfaction what-so-ever. If he is a modified bus-driver...and not aligned with any family...it seems to me from the character list that would make him either the chorus (which would be weird) or the apothecary.

There has to be 5 capulets and 5 montegues. Jgordon, clever, ghostly, whoever ghostly is masoned with, and romeo. Therefore it stands to reason there are 5 capulets.

With the prince, and two friars claimed...that leaves Mercutio (alligned with the montegues), Paris (aligned with the capulets to maintain fair balence) and one more character...No Survivors.

Looking at the character list, that leaves Chorus or apothecary, or something off the wall like the bard or something for no survivors to be.

My conclusion is that no survivors is the apothecary...and granted i'm new so I'm probably eating paint chips and playing under powerlines all at the same time as i'm writing this...but I would think that the apothecary is a threat to both the capulets and montegues. He is responsible largely for romeo and juliet's death...so with nine family members left in play...I think it's safe for the families to work together to eliminate this potential threat and move on to the next day. I don't see where killing general or edoc or dazza could be any more productive than eliminating the apothecary.

Hey...and families working together seems to be good for the general and edoc too...so this seems like it would be a case to benefit all. All except no survivors.

lejreljwerwkl

Sorry...that was the paintchips typing.

Vote No Survivors

ok just caught up edoc and general have got some hormone issues i think i .Calm down some of us maybe new to this but the last game a senior member lied all the way through so i trust no one.
Alt
i think your list of family members is nearly right but i know there are 6, so where does this leave us with the apothecary ?

To spartacus...I don't want to argue with you about the number of family members...but I don't think 6 true family members is possible...it should 5 with 1 affiliated with a family. If there are 6 of one family, then one of the claimed third party members has fake claimed. Edoc, general (more or less if you read between the lines), no survivors, and eldoradio are all mod confirmed third party members. For there to be 6 of one family, either there has to be an uneven number of montegues and capulets (6 of 1, 5 of the other, 4 confirmed third parties) and dazza...or dazza has fake claimed the investigative role and done one hell of a job convincing everyone he is someone he is not. I don't have any evidence on dazza to suggest that he is not third party as he has said, and I find it unlikely that there are 6 of one family and 5 of another...so I was wondering if you had any info on dazza maybe that we don't? That would also mean that there is a third party affiliated with one family...but not the other.

What seems much more likely to me is that there are the four confirmed third parties, dazza, and count paris (who would be affiliated with the capulets). Maybe I'm wrong about the game set up and symetry...it's possible..but it makes more sense to me that there are 5 capulets and 5 montegues, paris, mercutio, two friars, the prince, and the apothecary.

To Leehar and others who have questioned the apothecary's danger level...

Without his poison, Romeo doesn't die. Without Romeo dieing, Juliet doesn't die. The intentions of the apothecary matter not...what is important in regards to the play is that he is an important axle in the wheel of fate that turns out Romeo and Juliet's death. There is no way in my mind that the apothecary is not a threat to both families from this reading...so I reiterate that I think a united front to lynch leaves us all a little better off.

sorry your right there will be 5 true and 1 aligned

[Leehar]

What about the Servants? We definitely have an Abrams (as the cc, unless it was an amazing bluff which is very unlikely ), and then obviously another servant as the masoned counter-party?

Also, again I'm just thinking allowed, but since we know that there's a nurse who's likely the Capulet affiliated Doc, wouldn't it make sense for an apothecracy be a doc for the montagues?

[dazza2008]

I apologize to anyone i've offended being new and trying to get into this game...it's not as easy as northwest passage quads so bare with me if I am ruining this experience for anyone. The last game mafia game I got booted for being inactive despite following along every page...so the message sent to me seemed to be speak...if it's wrong or dumb.

So...that being said I would like to go back for a minute to No Survivors...because again I may be slow or the bad kind of special...but I didn't think that angle was wrapped up to any satisfaction what-so-ever. If he is a modified bus-driver...and not aligned with any family...it seems to me from the character list that would make him either the chorus (which would be weird) or the apothecary.

There has to be 5 capulets and 5 montegues. Jgordon, clever, ghostly, whoever ghostly is masoned with, and romeo. Therefore it stands to reason there are 5 capulets.

With the prince, and two friars claimed...that leaves Mercutio (alligned with the montegues), Paris (aligned with the capulets to maintain fair balence) and one more character...No Survivors.

Looking at the character list, that leaves Chorus or apothecary, or something off the wall like the bard or something for no survivors to be.

My conclusion is that no survivors is the apothecary...and granted i'm new so I'm probably eating paint chips and playing under powerlines all at the same time as i'm writing this...but I would think that the apothecary is a threat to both the capulets and montegues. He is responsible largely for romeo and juliet's death...so with nine family members left in play...I think it's safe for the families to work together to eliminate this potential threat and move on to the next day. I don't see where killing general or edoc or dazza could be any more productive than eliminating the apothecary.

Hey...and families working together seems to be good for the general and edoc too...so this seems like it would be a case to benefit all. All except no survivors.

lejreljwerwkl

Sorry...that was the paintchips typing.

Vote No Survivors

ok just caught up edoc and general have got some hormone issues i think i .Calm down some of us maybe new to this but the last game a senior member lied all the way through so i trust no one.
Alt
i think your list of family members is nearly right but i know there are 6, so where does this leave us with the apothecary ?

To spartacus...I don't want to argue with you about the number of family members...but I don't think 6 true family members is possible...it should 5 with 1 affiliated with a family. If there are 6 of one family, then one of the claimed third party members has fake claimed. Edoc, general (more or less if you read between the lines), no survivors, and eldoradio are all mod confirmed third party members. For there to be 6 of one family, either there has to be an uneven number of montegues and capulets (6 of 1, 5 of the other, 4 confirmed third parties) and dazza...or dazza has fake claimed the investigative role and done one hell of a job convincing everyone he is someone he is not. I don't have any evidence on dazza to suggest that he is not third party as he has said, and I find it unlikely that there are 6 of one family and 5 of another...so I was wondering if you had any info on dazza maybe that we don't? That would also mean that there is a third party affiliated with one family...but not the other.

What seems much more likely to me is that there are the four confirmed third parties, dazza, and count paris (who would be affiliated with the capulets). Maybe I'm wrong about the game set up and symetry...it's possible..but it makes more sense to me that there are 5 capulets and 5 montegues, paris, mercutio, two friars, the prince, and the apothecary.

To Leehar and others who have questioned the apothecary's danger level...

Without his poison, Romeo doesn't die. Without Romeo dieing, Juliet doesn't die. The intentions of the apothecary matter not...what is important in regards to the play is that he is an important axle in the wheel of fate that turns out Romeo and Juliet's death. There is no way in my mind that the apothecary is not a threat to both families from this reading...so I reiterate that I think a united front to lynch leaves us all a little better off.

I don't understand why you say the other third party players are more confirmed than me. Please explain.

[alt1978]

My memory could be fuzzy dazza...i didn't include you in the same category because I don't recall zimmah as the mod confirming it. Zimmah said that lor is lawerence...pretty good confirmation on general. Zimmah also revealed the third party affiliations in scenes of edoc, no survivors, and the prince.
If zimmah came out and said that you were third party i apologize...and from the way you've carried out your actions i would be very surprised if you weren't who you say...i simply didn't have it down as word from the mod.

I think my point in saying that was to try and convince spartacus that the numbers in the family were 5 with one affiliated...not 6. From a numbers perspective...with the others more or less mod confirmed...unless he knew something about you that the rest of us didn't...you had to be third party. Spartacus confirmed that his count was 5 with 1 affiliated...so that clears you as third party in my book.

Again...if zimmah confirmed your role in the thread i apologize...i was going on memory and not actually looking back at the early pages.

[dazza2008]

My memory could be fuzzy dazza...i didn't include you in the same category because I don't recall zimmah as the mod confirming it. Zimmah said that lor is lawerence...pretty good confirmation on general. Zimmah also revealed the third party affiliations in scenes of edoc, no survivors, and the prince.
If zimmah came out and said that you were third party i apologize...and from the way you've carried out your actions i would be very surprised if you weren't who you say...i simply didn't have it down as word from the mod.

I think my point in saying that was to try and convince spartacus that the numbers in the family were 5 with one affiliated...not 6. From a numbers perspective...with the others more or less mod confirmed...unless he knew something about you that the rest of us didn't...you had to be third party. Spartacus confirmed that his count was 5 with 1 affiliated...so that clears you as third party in my book.

Again...if zimmah confirmed your role in the thread i apologize...i was going on memory and not actually looking back at the early pages.

I must have missed where edoc was confirmed I will look back through. Zimmah did not 100% confirm I was third party but why would a role like mine be aligned to 1 of the families?

[TheGeneral2112]

I must have missed where edoc was confirmed I will look back through. Zimmah did not 100% confirm I was third party but why would a role like mine be aligned to 1 of the families?

Edoc is confirmed to me for being the first to announce the weirdest part of the win condition. He must be one of a few characters I could guess. Dazza, I was very suspicious of you at first, but now I consider you as a survivor more or less. It is odd that you are 3rd party and not aligned with me, but oh well.

[SPARTACUS1974]

what about ghostly? he can speak at night to someone so who is he with?

[TheGeneral2112]

what about ghostly? he can speak at night to someone so who is he with?

Ghostly is cleared. His mason'd brother is also cleared.

[dazza2008]

I must have missed where edoc was confirmed I will look back through. Zimmah did not 100% confirm I was third party but why would a role like mine be aligned to 1 of the families?

Edoc is confirmed to me for being the first to announce the weirdest part of the win condition. He must be one of a few characters I could guess. Dazza, I was very suspicious of you at first, but now I consider you as a survivor more or less. It is odd that you are 3rd party and not aligned with me, but oh well.

Yeah I was not really disputing the fact that edoc is third party but more how Alt thinks my role could be aligned to either family. If I was aligned to 1 why would I target anyone? I would not want to out the family I am in.

To me it seems like the most obvious third party role in the game.

[shieldgenerator7]

ok so where is No Survivors? He should be in here explaining a few things, like what his name is and stuff. VOTE NOSURVIVORS get in here and post!

-SG7 ( )

[MoB Deadly]

Vote count

[3] TheGeneral2112 - SPARTACUS1974, chapcrap, jgordon(L-5)
[1] edocsil - ghostly (L-7)
[4] nosurvivors - alt1978, thegeneral, edoc, Shieldgenerator7, (L-4)

[all those guys below have 0 votes but can be voted]
Victor Sullivan
JGordon
Shieldgenerator7
dazza2008
new guy1
ghostly447
Bleed_Green
chapcrap
Leehar
SPARTACUS1974

there's 14 alive so 8 votes are needed for a lynch

[dazza2008]

Vote count

[1] alt1978 - sg7, (L-7)
[3] TheGeneral2112 - SPARTACUS1974, chapcrap, jgordon(L-5)
[1] edocsil - ghostly (L-7)
[4] nosurvivors - alt1978, thegeneral, edoc, Shieldgenerator7, (L-4)

[all those guys below have 0 votes but can be voted]
Victor Sullivan
JGordon
Shieldgenerator7
dazza2008
new guy1
ghostly447
Bleed_Green
chapcrap
Leehar
SPARTACUS1974

there's 14 alive so 8 votes are needed for a lynch

SG7 is a double voter

Vote No Survivors.

[shieldgenerator7]

yes! finally someone recognizes me!