FOX News: "Women in the Military Deserve to be Raped!"

[saxitoxin]

I believe you only need to fulfill one condition to be classified a rape supporter. So basically, according to that list, every man is a rape supporter.

Yeah... the person who wrote that list is an idiot.

The writer of the list is obviously starting from the assumption that male sexuality is inherently degrading. Which is a problematic idea because not only does it imply that all men are "potential rapists", but because it leads to the notion that women are "spoiled" when they have sex with a man - the whole cult of virginity, slut-shaming, things like that.

I disagree with, but can accept the perception of logic behind your first point, but advancing the fact that all men are potential rapists does not promote a "cult of virginity" since we've only asserted that men are "potential" rapists as opposed to persons engaging in a rape with each instance of copulation.

[saxitoxin]

Here is the list (with numbers so we can all see how we've done):

(1) He has ever sexually engaged with any woman while she was underage, drunk, high, physically restrained, unconscious, or subjected to psychological, physical, economic, or emotional coercion.
(2) He defends the current legal definition of rape and/or opposes making consent a defense.
(3) He has accused a rape victim of having “buyer’s remorse” or wanting to get money from the man.
(4) He has blamed a woman for “putting herself in a situation” where she “could be” attacked.
(5) He has procured a prostitute.
(6) He characterizes prostitution as a “legitimate” “job” “choice” or defends men who purchase prostitutes.
(7) He has ever revealed he conceives of sex as fundamentally transactional.
(8) He has gone to a strip club.
(9) He is anti-abortion.
(10) He is pro-”choice” because he believes abortion access will make women more sexually available.
(11) He frames discussions of pornography in terms of “freedom of speech.”
(12) He watches pornography in which women are depicted.
(13) He watches any pornography in which sexual acts are depicted as a struggle for power or domination, regardless of whether women are present.
(14) He characterizes the self-sexualizing behavior of some women, such as wearing make-up or high heels, as evidence of women’s desire to “get” a man.
(15) He tells or laughs at jokes involving women being attacked, sexually “hoodwinked,” or sexually harassed.
(16) He expresses enjoyment of movies/musicals/TV shows/plays in which women are sexually demeaned or presented as sexual objects
(17) He mocks women who complain about sexual attacks, sexual harassment, street cat-calls, media depictions of women, or other forms of sexual objectification.
(18) He supports sexual “liberation” and claims women would have more sex with (more) men if society did not “inhibit” them.
(19) He states or implies that women who do not want to have sex with men are “inhibited,” “prudes,” “stuck-up,” “man-haters,” or psychologically ill.
(20) He argues that certain male behaviors towards women are “cultural” and therefore not legitimate subjects of feminist attention.
(21) He ever subordinates the interests of women in a given population to the interests of the men in that population, or proceeds in discussions as if the interests of the women are the same as the interests of the men.
(22) He promotes religious or philosophical views in which a woman’s physical/psychological/emotional/sexual well-being is subordinated to a man’s.
(23) He describes female anatomy in terms of penetration, or uses terms referencing the supposed “emptiness” of female anatomy when describing women.
(24) He defends the physical abuse of women on the grounds of “consent.”
(25) He defends the sexualization or sexual abuse of minor females on the grounds of “consent” or “willingness.”
(26) He promotes the idea that women as a class are happier or more fulfilled if they have children, or that they “should” have children.
(27) He argues that people (or just “men”) have sexual “needs.”
(28) He discusses the “types” of women he finds sexually appealing and/or attempts to demean women by telling them he does not find them sexually appealing.
(29) He sexually objectifies lesbians or lesbian sexual activity.
(30) He defends these actions by saying that some women also engage in them.

I think 7 is particularly important. Men can't approach the sex act as the negotiation of equal services between two consenting parties. Women must always have total authority over sex to advance equality due to the fundamentally inequal physiology of the sex act.

This doesn't mean we need to attain perfection. I've done half of these, still do many, and have no plans to stop. If we realize we're potential rapists we're less likely to let the natural dark side of our psyche take control as we're likely to recognize when it begins to surface.

[BigBallinStalin]

I've said before, and I still feel, that Frank Herbert was right when he envisioned an army composed entirely of women, whose primal personality is that of the caregiver, as a more humane tool of war. It would be difficult to implement this overnight, however, over a course of 50 years we could see gradual reverse segregation in which the support forces were made all-female, then combat-support, and, finally, combat arms. To transfer all the power of state violence into women hands would represent the ultimate victory of feminism!

hmm...

I'll agree as long as all the women are issued pink guns.

EXCUSE ME, this is serious, not some chauvinst schoolboy fantasy.

There will be NO pink guns.

Just an army of six-feet tall, incredibly physically fit, women warriors who stop aging at 25 but are endowed with the insatiable sexual appetites of 35 year old cougars and who drive across the wasteland in dune buggies capturing men with nets to be used as their playthings.

Where do I sign up for the opposing side?

[BigBallinStalin]

BTW, the quote "all men are rapists", IIRC was from the great radical feminist Marilyn French, not Queen Victoria. The proclivity toward sexual violence of all men is a cornerstone of modern feminism and has nothing to do with denying female sexuality. Females can engage in sexual relationships that do not subjugate them if they assume the dominant position.

Camille Paglia is a really fun feminist to read.

[the carpet man]

do i see natty say that women are rapists as well? lol. and how many women have ever rape? rape is a male crime.

or is this more of your 'gender equality', crime for all?

[Woodruff]

rape is a male crime.

That makes zero sense. Do you understand what makes rape?

[the carpet man]

rape is to force someone into sex. and how can a woman force the required erection from a man? i don't know. maybe you are more knowledgeable about matters of rape than i am. what ways of a woman raping a man do you have familiarity with?

and do you deny that almost all rape is done by men?

[saxitoxin]

rape is a male crime.

That makes zero sense.

Are you seriously going to make us post a graphic description of how human intercourse works here in the forum just because you feel like being obstinate?

[Baron Von PWN]

rape is to force someone into sex. and how can a woman force the required erection from a man? i don't know. maybe you are more knowledgeable about matters of rape than i am. what ways of a woman raping a man do you have familiarity with?

and do you deny that almost all rape is done by men?

Physical response does not imply consent to sex. A woman could stimulate an unwilling male's genitals to achieve an erection, or perhaps even drug them with Viagra. A woman with certain add ons could also rape a man in a less traditional manner.

Not to mention a woman could rape another woman.


Certainly almost all rape is committed by men, but women can and have raped men in the past.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -rape.html

http://blogcritics.org/culture/article/ ... d-of-rape/

http://www.fathermag.com/news/rape/spokane.shtml

[QoH]

rape is to force someone into sex. and how can a woman force the required erection from a man? i don't know. maybe you are more knowledgeable about matters of rape than i am. what ways of a woman raping a man do you have familiarity with?

and do you deny that almost all rape is done by men?

You just contradicted yourself once again.

Wow.

[saxitoxin]

rape is to force someone into sex. and how can a woman force the required erection from a man? i don't know. maybe you are more knowledgeable about matters of rape than i am. what ways of a woman raping a man do you have familiarity with?

and do you deny that almost all rape is done by men?

Physical response does not imply consent to sex. A woman could stimulate an unwilling male's genitals to achieve an erection, or perhaps even drug them with Viagra. A woman with certain add ons could also rape a man in a less traditional manner.

Not to mention a woman could rape another woman.


Certainly almost all rape is committed by men, but women can and have raped men in the past.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -rape.html

http://blogcritics.org/culture/article/ ... d-of-rape/

http://www.fathermag.com/news/rape/spokane.shtml

You gotta be kidding me!

Sure it's possible to find limited examples of female-on-male rape, however, I would hazard a guess that these constitute less than 1% of adult-on-adult rapes.

Also, because of the physiology of the sex act, male-on-female rape is - in the absence of any complementary assault carried out as part of the rape - intrinsically many times more violent than female-on-male rape. I'd consider most cases of female-on-male rape the sexual equivalent of 4th degree assault where the offense is primarily one of annoyance / emotional humiliation. The physics of sex, however, makes male-on-female rape a very violent act. You can't compare a guy waking up to find he's getting an unwanted blowjob, then getting up and walking away (example 2 above), to a woman being pinned to the ground by a 200 kg linebacker who proceeds to make soup out of her insides.

Male-on-female rape - assuming it's frenzied and physical - is going to cause bodily damage like fibroids, bleeding, possible pregnancy (pregnancy - whether carried, aborted or miscarried - always results in injury), etc. I'd be curious if there's a single example of sustained injury to a male raped by a female.

[Symmetry]

And all this in a week when the US was accused of having more male victims of sexual assualt than female, a world first. To be fair, the report was flawed in a number of ways, but you can look at the stats if you want:

Link

In January, prodded in part by outrage over a series of articles in the New York Review of Books, the Justice Department finally released an estimate of the prevalence of sexual abuse in penitentiaries. The reliance on filed complaints appeared to understate the problem. For 2008, for example, the government had previously tallied 935 confirmed instances of sexual abuse. After asking around, and performing some calculations, the Justice Department came up with a new number: 216,000. That's 216,000 victims, not instances. These victims are often assaulted multiple times over the course of the year. The Justice Department now seems to be saying that prison rape accounted for the majority of all rapes committed in the US in 2008, likely making the United States the first country in the history of the world to count more rapes for men than for women.

A counter article listing the problems:

Is the US the only country where more men are raped than women?

[saxitoxin]

And all this in a week when the US was accused of having more male victims of sexual assualt than female, a world first. To be fair, the report was flawed in a number of ways, but you can look at the stats if you want:

Link

In January, prodded in part by outrage over a series of articles in the New York Review of Books, the Justice Department finally released an estimate of the prevalence of sexual abuse in penitentiaries. The reliance on filed complaints appeared to understate the problem. For 2008, for example, the government had previously tallied 935 confirmed instances of sexual abuse. After asking around, and performing some calculations, the Justice Department came up with a new number: 216,000. That's 216,000 victims, not instances. These victims are often assaulted multiple times over the course of the year. The Justice Department now seems to be saying that prison rape accounted for the majority of all rapes committed in the US in 2008, likely making the United States the first country in the history of the world to count more rapes for men than for women.

A counter article listing the problems:

Is the US the only country where more men are raped than women?

Aside from the fact this has to do with male-on-male rape so is a bit of a non-sequitur, I find it hard to believe prison rape in the U.S. is more endemic than in Peru or Brazil where there are anecdotal reports of pandemic levels of attacks. Studies of these types where the U.S. is "the best of this" or "the worst of that" always suffer from an availability of information flux; they don't take into account the fanatic estadounidense obsession with compiling statistics about themselves at levels incomparable to other countries.

You could find 18 official reports on the height/weight ratios of transvestite construction workers in the U.S. where in another country you might have to spend a week in a university library to discover some rudimentary fact. If Franz Kafka and the Prussian interior ministry had a baby they would have named it United States.

[Symmetry]

And all this in a week when the US was accused of having more male victims of sexual assualt than female, a world first. To be fair, the report was flawed in a number of ways, but you can look at the stats if you want:

Link

In January, prodded in part by outrage over a series of articles in the New York Review of Books, the Justice Department finally released an estimate of the prevalence of sexual abuse in penitentiaries. The reliance on filed complaints appeared to understate the problem. For 2008, for example, the government had previously tallied 935 confirmed instances of sexual abuse. After asking around, and performing some calculations, the Justice Department came up with a new number: 216,000. That's 216,000 victims, not instances. These victims are often assaulted multiple times over the course of the year. The Justice Department now seems to be saying that prison rape accounted for the majority of all rapes committed in the US in 2008, likely making the United States the first country in the history of the world to count more rapes for men than for women.

A counter article listing the problems:

Is the US the only country where more men are raped than women?

Aside from the fact this has to do with male-on-male rape so is a bit of a non-sequitur, I find it hard to believe prison rape in the U.S. is more endemic than in Peru or Brazil where there are anecdotal reports of pandemic levels of attacks. Studies of these types where the U.S. is "the best of this" or "the worst of that" always suffer from an availability of information flux; they don't take into account the fanatic, Nazi-like, estadounidense obsession with compiling statistics about themselves at levels incomparable to other countries.

Would third worst really be an accolade? That's pretty horrific.

[saxitoxin]

And all this in a week when the US was accused of having more male victims of sexual assualt than female, a world first. To be fair, the report was flawed in a number of ways, but you can look at the stats if you want:

Link

In January, prodded in part by outrage over a series of articles in the New York Review of Books, the Justice Department finally released an estimate of the prevalence of sexual abuse in penitentiaries. The reliance on filed complaints appeared to understate the problem. For 2008, for example, the government had previously tallied 935 confirmed instances of sexual abuse. After asking around, and performing some calculations, the Justice Department came up with a new number: 216,000. That's 216,000 victims, not instances. These victims are often assaulted multiple times over the course of the year. The Justice Department now seems to be saying that prison rape accounted for the majority of all rapes committed in the US in 2008, likely making the United States the first country in the history of the world to count more rapes for men than for women.

A counter article listing the problems:

Is the US the only country where more men are raped than women?

Aside from the fact this has to do with male-on-male rape so is a bit of a non-sequitur, I find it hard to believe prison rape in the U.S. is more endemic than in Peru or Brazil where there are anecdotal reports of pandemic levels of attacks. Studies of these types where the U.S. is "the best of this" or "the worst of that" always suffer from an availability of information flux; they don't take into account the fanatic, Nazi-like, estadounidense obsession with compiling statistics about themselves at levels incomparable to other countries.

Would third worst really be an accolade? That's pretty horrific.

Cut the prudish act. We all know you think this sounds like a Saturday at Six Flags.

[BigBallinStalin]

rape is to force someone into sex. and how can a woman force the required erection from a man? i don't know. maybe you are more knowledgeable about matters of rape than i am. what ways of a woman raping a man do you have familiarity with?

and do you deny that almost all rape is done by men?

Physical response does not imply consent to sex. A woman could stimulate an unwilling male's genitals to achieve an erection, or perhaps even drug them with Viagra. A woman with certain add ons could also rape a man in a less traditional manner.

Not to mention a woman could rape another woman.


Certainly almost all rape is committed by men, but women can and have raped men in the past.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -rape.html

http://blogcritics.org/culture/article/ ... d-of-rape/

http://www.fathermag.com/news/rape/spokane.shtml

You gotta be kidding me!

Sure it's possible to find limited examples of female-on-male rape, however, I would hazard a guess that these constitute less than 1% of adult-on-adult rapes.

Also, because of the physiology of the sex act, male-on-female rape is - in the absence of any complementary assault carried out as part of the rape - intrinsically many times more violent than female-on-male rape. I'd consider most cases of female-on-male rape the sexual equivalent of 4th degree assault where the offense is primarily one of annoyance / emotional humiliation. The physics of sex, however, makes male-on-female rape a very violent act. You can't compare a guy waking up to find he's getting an unwanted blowjob, then getting up and walking away (example 2 above), to a woman being pinned to the ground by a 200 kg linebacker who proceeds to make soup out of her insides.

Male-on-female rape - assuming it's frenzied and physical - is going to cause bodily damage like fibroids, bleeding, possible pregnancy (pregnancy - whether carried, aborted or miscarried - always results in injury), etc. I'd be curious if there's a single example of sustained injury to a male raped by a female.

More men are raped than women in the US.

[natty dread]

You gotta be kidding me!

Sure it's possible to find limited examples of female-on-male rape, however, I would hazard a guess that these constitute less than 1% of adult-on-adult rapes.

Actually, female-on-male rape is more common than that. The thing is, being raped carries such a social stigma for men that much fewer men who get raped ever report it to anyone - and, even less for men who get raped by women.

Part of this is exactly because of attitudes like yours and carpetmans: "men can't get raped by women", "men always want sex"... and of course, the whole "if you ever show vulnerability you're not a real man" trope.

Just look at how rape is portrayed in popular culture: whenever a woman gets raped, it's a tragedy. When a man gets raped, it's played for laughs...

I'd consider most cases of female-on-male rape the sexual equivalent of 4th degree assault where the offense is primarily one of annoyance / emotional humiliation.

Rape is just as traumatizing to men as it is to women.

I think 7 is particularly important. Men can't approach the sex act as the negotiation of equal services between two consenting parties.

Bullshit. Why couldn't they?

Consent is a two-way thing. You can't have consent unless BOTH parties consent.

Women must always have total authority over sex to advance equality due to the fundamentally inequal physiology of the sex act.

More BS, saxi. The whole "women as gatekeepers of sex" meme is exactly what powers the "transactional model" of sex, which is an entirely toxic way to look at relationships. It is entirely possible to negotiate a sex act from an equal standing, and I don't even see why you think it couldn't be.

Women must have total authority over their own bodies. Men must also have total authority over their own bodies.

See, it's not rocket science.

[Baron Von PWN]

rape is to force someone into sex. and how can a woman force the required erection from a man? i don't know. maybe you are more knowledgeable about matters of rape than i am. what ways of a woman raping a man do you have familiarity with?

and do you deny that almost all rape is done by men?

Physical response does not imply consent to sex. A woman could stimulate an unwilling male's genitals to achieve an erection, or perhaps even drug them with Viagra. A woman with certain add ons could also rape a man in a less traditional manner.

Not to mention a woman could rape another woman.


Certainly almost all rape is committed by men, but women can and have raped men in the past.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -rape.html

http://blogcritics.org/culture/article/ ... d-of-rape/

http://www.fathermag.com/news/rape/spokane.shtml

You gotta be kidding me!

Sure it's possible to find limited examples of female-on-male rape, however, I would hazard a guess that these constitute less than 1% of adult-on-adult rapes.

Also, because of the physiology of the sex act, male-on-female rape is - in the absence of any complementary assault carried out as part of the rape - intrinsically many times more violent than female-on-male rape. I'd consider most cases of female-on-male rape the sexual equivalent of 4th degree assault where the offense is primarily one of annoyance / emotional humiliation. The physics of sex, however, makes male-on-female rape a very violent act. You can't compare a guy waking up to find he's getting an unwanted blowjob, then getting up and walking away (example 2 above), to a woman being pinned to the ground by a 200 kg linebacker who proceeds to make soup out of her insides.

Male-on-female rape - assuming it's frenzied and physical - is going to cause bodily damage like fibroids, bleeding, possible pregnancy (pregnancy - whether carried, aborted or miscarried - always results in injury), etc. I'd be curious if there's a single example of sustained injury to a male raped by a female.

I didn't put any value emphasis on the Female on male rape. I merely wished to show it was possible and had occurred. I was just countering your's and Carpet man's apparent earlier opinion that it could not occur.

Regardless, I would maintain that the emotional impacts of rape are more serious and debilitating than the physical (in general).

[the carpet man]

natty, do you have some statistic on how common it is for women to rape men? or is this just your opinion.

[natty dread]

There haven't been many studies conducted of female-male rape, but there are some estimates. I don't remember the exact figures, if I find the link I'll post it...

[saxitoxin]

rape is to force someone into sex. and how can a woman force the required erection from a man? i don't know. maybe you are more knowledgeable about matters of rape than i am. what ways of a woman raping a man do you have familiarity with?

and do you deny that almost all rape is done by men?

Physical response does not imply consent to sex. A woman could stimulate an unwilling male's genitals to achieve an erection, or perhaps even drug them with Viagra. A woman with certain add ons could also rape a man in a less traditional manner.

Not to mention a woman could rape another woman.


Certainly almost all rape is committed by men, but women can and have raped men in the past.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -rape.html

http://blogcritics.org/culture/article/ ... d-of-rape/

http://www.fathermag.com/news/rape/spokane.shtml

You gotta be kidding me!

Sure it's possible to find limited examples of female-on-male rape, however, I would hazard a guess that these constitute less than 1% of adult-on-adult rapes.

Also, because of the physiology of the sex act, male-on-female rape is - in the absence of any complementary assault carried out as part of the rape - intrinsically many times more violent than female-on-male rape. I'd consider most cases of female-on-male rape the sexual equivalent of 4th degree assault where the offense is primarily one of annoyance / emotional humiliation. The physics of sex, however, makes male-on-female rape a very violent act. You can't compare a guy waking up to find he's getting an unwanted blowjob, then getting up and walking away (example 2 above), to a woman being pinned to the ground by a 200 kg linebacker who proceeds to make soup out of her insides.

Male-on-female rape - assuming it's frenzied and physical - is going to cause bodily damage like fibroids, bleeding, possible pregnancy (pregnancy - whether carried, aborted or miscarried - always results in injury), etc. I'd be curious if there's a single example of sustained injury to a male raped by a female.

I didn't put any value emphasis on the Female on male rape. I merely wished to show it was possible and had occurred. I was just countering your's and Carpet man's apparent earlier opinion that it could not occur.

I've never argued that it is impossible for it to occur. I've argued that it's, physiologically, so difficult, that instances of its occurrence don't belong in a general-topic discussion. Spontaneous human combustion occurs but it's utterly ridiculous and a distractional red herring to bring it into a discussion about fire prevention. I'll co-assign that sentence as my blanket response to all of Nathan's points as well.

[saxitoxin]

There haven't been many studies conducted of female-male rape, but there are some estimates. I don't remember the exact figures, if I find the link I'll post it...

You're starting to wander into Player's kingdom. Make sure you pass through customs and get your passport stamped, please.

[natty dread]

You're starting to wander into Player's kingdom. Make sure you pass through customs and get your passport stamped, please.

Oh f*ck you.

Seriously, there just doesn't exist a lot of studies on it. The reason there aren't a lot of studies is that the idea of female-on-male rape is still regarded as something that "just never happens" or something that is "irrelevant in a discussion about rape"...

I did read one statistic about it, and I'm terribly sorry I don't bookmark everything I read on the off chance I might have to prove my point in some pointless internet debate in the future. But that's the reality we just got to work with, Saxi. We just have to make the best we can out of a shitty situation. When life gives you lemons, you don't ask if life can kindly please give you watermelons instead. You fucking eat the lemons and you smile while doing it or you'll be put in the hole again until you learn to mind your table manners.

Wow, I'm glad we had this little tête-à-tête, Saxi. I'm glad we got things sorted out.

[saxitoxin]

You're starting to wander into Player's kingdom. Make sure you pass through customs and get your passport stamped, please.

Oh f*ck you.

Seriously, there just doesn't exist a lot of studies on it. The reason there aren't a lot of studies is that the idea of female-on-male rape is still regarded as something that "just never happens" or something that is "irrelevant in a discussion about rape"...

I did read one statistic about it, and I'm terribly sorry I don't bookmark everything I read on the off chance I might have to prove my point in some pointless internet debate in the future. But that's the reality we just got to work with, Saxi. We just have to make the best we can out of a shitty situation. When life gives you lemons, you don't ask if life can kindly please give you watermelons instead. You fucking eat the lemons and you smile while doing it or you'll be put in the hole again until you learn to mind your table manners.

Wow, I'm glad we had this little tête-à-tête, Saxi. I'm glad we got things sorted out.

[natty dread]