Romeo and Juliet Mafia - Capulet Victory. +Paris+John

[pmchugh]

Hey guys, I will be replacing sully but I don't have my role pm. I skimmed the thread and this game is pretty strange (it almost looks like a fircoal game except the mod likes to reveal random info). I have some thoughts to post but I will wait on my role pm which I was promised tomorrow!

[jgordon1111]

welcome pmc read up and get back to us on your thoughts please

[shieldgenerator7]

I am here, back from paintball. 3 hours of sleep does not give me enough energy after 4 hours running around, and 4 hours driving home today to post anything of worth. I will see about it tomorrow.

pics or it didn't happen. lol no I just think it'd be cool if you got any footage you didn't mind sharing if not , well back to game. SOunds like you had plenty of fun!

Well, back to this game, we were waiting on NoSurvivors to tell us his name... and then he requested replacement, and now saf will tell his name. When he finally gets in here that is.

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you haven't got your role pm probably because zimmah's hoping sully will get back in here before he has to be replaced. Glad to have you tho if he doesn't (and where the hay are you Sully? Are you doing ok?)

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-SG7 ( )

[chapcrap]

Well, I think that edoc's actions and responses don't add up.

unvote vote edoc

[edocsil]

Well, I think that edoc's actions and responses don't add up.

unvote vote edoc

Ah great. A marvelous case. Tell me am I your enemy? You voting me so you must think so. So who do you think I am. A Capulet, a Montague, or Survivor?

[alt1978]

There is a ton of catching up to do for anyone joining...my pending case which seems to be gaining little or no traction is against No Survivors. It seems especially scummy to me for him to disappear at the exact juncture a case was made against him.

I want to start with third party id's...

First let me state what we know...based on mod reveals:

General=friar lawerence
edoc=montegue alligned (but not montegue family character)
Prince Escalus=eldoradio (learned through his death)
No survivors is a third party, non-affiliated character with the role of modified bus-driver

Second, let me state what I feel can be safely deduced from what has been revealed:

there ought to be a capulet alligned (but not capulet family character)
Dazza has claimed Friar John, and has given every indication thus far of indeed being friar john...and has not been counter claimed.

My personal deductive reasoning from a wikipedia list of romeo and juliet characters (accompanied by my reading of the actual play):

No survivors, being third party, and not being a friar, mercutio, parris, or the prince...has to be the apothecary.

Why should this matter...or why is this a threat?

The apothecary character in the play is responsible for the poisoning of Romeo...which leads to the death of Juliet. Leehar has argued that he had no intention of killing Romeo...but in a play about the inevitability of fate...intentions play little role. No apothecary...no death of romeo and juliet.
It is believable to me that the friar's would have a win condition based on the survival of a collection of characters. Conversely, for the apothecary to have fulfilled his role in the play, a killing of certain players (particularly romeo and juliet) would have to carried out. The apothecary is therefore a threat to both families.

What do I think we should do?

I strongly believe we should lynch the apothecary and eliminate this threat to both families. Benvolio (Montegue) has been killed, but there are still 9 family members left. This is more than enough to lynch the apothecary if we work together. I don't know anything about edoc or the general's win conditions...but they have both hinted strongly that everyone working together helps them. That seems to me like a lot folks who could benefit from this lynch...but probably more than anyone would be Romeo and Juliet.

How much are you willing to bet that No survivors was the apothecary?

I will claim my character and role if I'm wrong on this one. If I'm wrong it hurts me, if i'm right...it helps a bunch of folks sleep better at night.


Closing thoughts

Ghostly has claimed montegue
jgordon has claimed montegue
victor sullivan is mod confirmed capulet

8 people's id's and affiliations are unknown...7 or those are going to be family members (montegue's and capulets). The one non-family member not accounted for as yet is Count Paris (likely affiliated with the Capulet's counter to Edoc's role). Count Paris logically also has an interest in Juliet's survival, so I don't see where anyone voting for the apothecary would be at risk of revealing information about themselves...but I might be wrong about this last part...that's just my own logic working.

I have already voted No Survivors...a bunch of folks said they wanted to hear from him before doing the same...and then he vanished. I say the time is now to act. Don't let him protect his role and whoever or whatever he was working with or for by running out on the game. Finish No Survivors and let's be rid of the apothecary.

[pmchugh]

I really wish I could get my role pm now, I have so much to say and I don't even know my own role yet

I am not sure on the etiquette of posting pre-confirmation so I wont say anything except don't lynch anyone until I can give my thoughts please.

[TheGeneral2112]

I will make a long post tonight after rereading the entire game. My activity will always be minimal to none on the weekends. Sorry about that. Be back soon.

[SPARTACUS1974]

ok will read through again and post my thougts tonight , and welcome pmc and saf

[TheGeneral2112]

ok will read through again and post my thougts tonight , and welcome pmc and saf

Spartacus, you are Count Paris, Silencer, are you not?

[Leehar]

o.O!

[TheGeneral2112]

o.O!

Yupyup. Still rereading the whole thread. At beginning of D2 now and have pegged many roles. Also on drink #4, so hopefully this will be coherent when I am done.

[TheGeneral2112]

Still drinking, still solving the puzzle. I have good news and bad news. The good news is that I am almost done figuring out almost every role. The bad news? I can't out this information without an autoloss...

[TheGeneral2112]

The more I solve this puzzle, the more I realize how balanced this game is. Also, Dazza is lying about being a survivor.

[TheGeneral2112]

Dazza is part of a 4th faction including the Apothecary, The Count, and Mercutio. Their win condition is NOT to simply survive.

[alt1978]

keep drinking general sir...i think this is going to be like the Usual Susspects where the "kobayahi porcelain company" is revealed at the bottom of the cup.

[TheGeneral2112]

keep drinking general sir...i think this is going to be like the Usual Susspects where the "kobayahi porcelain company" is revealed at the bottom of the cup.

I have actually figured out that somewhere between 10-13 people can win with me and I am testing several different strategies to find an autowin/optimal play. If Brother John, The Apothecary, and Mercutio can win with me, then 13 players share my win condition. If they are part of a fourth faction with Count Paris, then 10 players share my win condition.

[dazza2008]

The more I solve this puzzle, the more I realize how balanced this game is. Also, Dazza is lying about being a survivor.

Based on this and a lot of crap you have been saying lately I am finding it very difficult to believe anything you say now.

I am a survivor.

Dazza is part of a 4th faction including the Apothecary, The Count, and Mercutio. Their win condition is NOT to simply survive.

I have nothing to do with any of these characters. I am a survivor and not aligned to anyone.

[TheGeneral2112]

viewtopic.php?f=213&t=163219&start=60#p3592488

we probably all know how the story ends, but this time, will history repeat itself, or will there be an alternate ending?

viewtopic.php?f=213&t=163219&start=195#p3596922

remember that teamwork is required for almost everyone in this game to win, regardless of win conditions and team, knowing in which family someone belongs helps a lot with finding out who is who.

viewtopic.php?f=213&t=163219&start=315#p3599305

i think you guys all need to co-operate a bit more with each other, and read more carefully what everyone sais and claims.

The above quotes are for the few that aren't willing to work with the rest of us. Now I have discovered with 100% certainty that there are 4 members of each house. This excludes Romeo and Juliet who are sided with me. We need to find the Capulet vig. How do we do this? Simple. Capulets will claim, one at a time. We wait a short amount of time so that someone can counterclaim, then another Capulet can claim. Eventually there will be a cc and we will find the vig. DO NOT CLAIM YOUR ROLE, CAPULETS!!! Just claim your name and let someone cc on your name alone. Then we can get the last vig and ensure no night kills while we wrap this game up.

Alt, I know you think NS is the Apothecary. You may or may not be correct in this. Either way, the LARGEST threat right now is the vig. We can get the vig and move from there.

UNVOTE

Any Capulet may now claim with your NAME only. Also, I have a really really nice color coded list of everyone's names that I have put together. I just can't post it today until the vig is dead. I will post it tomorrow and that will pretty much wrap things up.

Fastposted, Dazza, if you are indeed a survivor, then I apologize. I simply find it odd that your alignment color is the same as Mercutio, Count Paris, and The Apothecary. I find this odd since I know for a fact that Count Paris is NOT a survivor. So the matching alignment color is off putting to me. It could just be the color used by the mod for everyone else, in which case I apologize. At any rate, I am not trying to lynch you, I just find certain things suspect.

Moving on, Capulet GOGOGOGOGOBATMAN!!!!!!!!!

[pmchugh]

Confirm, fellow Caps don't claim your role name, we have two win conditions and throw out that you are a cap loses us any chance of the back up plan. Plus I have a decent idea of who is who and if you give me a little time I will come up with a case for who the vig is. Right now one person is either the vig or Juliet, but being a cap I don't want to move until I remove the former option.

I will claim my role name so as to clear any suspicions of me saying this because I am the vig, I am safe to do so as a confirmed cap. I am Samson Capulet.

[pmchugh]

The general, how sure are you that spartacus is third party?

It appears that he is not romeo, juliet or green third party aligned. If he is capulat he would be high on my suspects list.

I am really unsure of whether to out my number 1 suspect, as they are also my number one suspect on a smaller list, i.e. who is Juliet?

[shieldgenerator7]

So you're the vig?
Maybe that's why VS wanted to get replaced (I intentionally submarined in Nightmare before Christmas as a strategy as Mafia Godfather)(no, the game's not over yet but PCM has been lynched, so I'm not releasing any game info)

Ok, cap vig, what's your alternate WC?

BTW UNVOTE no surprise lynches today

[pmchugh]

So you're the vig?
Maybe that's why VS wanted to get replaced (I intentionally submarined in Nightmare before Christmas as a strategy as Mafia Godfather)(no, the game's not over yet but PCM has been lynched, so I'm not releasing any game info)

Ok, cap vig, what's your alternate WC?

BTW UNVOTE no surprise lynches today

Huh I am not the vig, I claimed to be Samson. Maybe I wasn't clear, I will EBWOP:

Confirm, fellow Caps don't claim your role name, we have two win conditions and throw out that you are a cap loses us any chance of the back up plan. Plus I have a decent idea of who is who and if you give me a little time I will come up with a case for who the vig is. Right now one person is either the vig or Juliet, but being a cap I don't want to move until I remove the former option.

I will claim my role name so as to clear any suspicions of me being the vig, I am safe to do so as a confirmed cap. I am Samson Capulet.

[edocsil]

So you're the vig?
Maybe that's why VS wanted to get replaced (I intentionally submarined in Nightmare before Christmas as a strategy as Mafia Godfather)(no, the game's not over yet but PCM has been lynched, so I'm not releasing any game info)

Ok, cap vig, what's your alternate WC?

BTW UNVOTE no surprise lynches today

Perhaps you should read over that again? I think you are making a mistake. PMC has not claimed vig.

[SPARTACUS1974]

ok will read through again and post my thougts tonight , and welcome pmc and saf

Spartacus, you are Count Paris, Silencer, are you not?

no iam not count paris