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Re: Sandra Fluke: Activist Plant

Postby oVo on Fri Mar 09, 2012 12:11 am

Why does Sandra Fluke have to be "sold" by the left
or considered a Democrat plant?

Both of those are useless labels and irrelevant.
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Re: Sandra Fluke: Activist Plant

Postby ViperOverLord on Fri Mar 09, 2012 2:10 am

oVo wrote:Why does Sandra Fluke have to be "sold" by the left
or considered a Democrat plant?

Both of those are useless labels and irrelevant.


I don't care what you call it. Free clinics give out contraceptives. Contraceptives are dirt cheap at Wal Mart and other places. This entire story has been shamelessly trumped and manufactured by Democrats and the media to avoid real stories like unemployment, high gas prices, a nuclear Iran, out of control deficits, failed Obama policies, etc.
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Re: Sandra Fluke: Activist Plant

Postby oVo on Fri Mar 09, 2012 3:01 am

I don't think it was even an issue until the Republicans declared that Obama was attacking American's religious rights. It's all political BS that backfired and should not even be a "presidential issue."
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Re: Sandra Fluke: Activist Plant

Postby ViperOverLord on Fri Mar 09, 2012 3:09 am

oVo wrote:I don't think it was even an issue until the Republicans declared that Obama was attacking American's religious rights. It's all political BS that backfired and should not even be a "presidential issue."


Silly Republicans defending the Bill Of Rights.
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Re: Sandra Fluke: Activist Plant

Postby natty dread on Fri Mar 09, 2012 3:24 am

I thought "activist plant" was some kind of new euphemism for weed.
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Re: Sandra Fluke: Activist Plant

Postby oVo on Fri Mar 09, 2012 3:43 am

ViperOverLord wrote:
oVo wrote:I don't think it was even an issue until the Republicans declared that Obama was attacking American's religious rights. It's all political BS that backfired and should not even be a "presidential issue."


Silly Republicans defending the Bill Of Rights.

That's all well and good, except there was no such attack. The silly Republicans
are all busy saying anything while attempting to sway voters and win primaries.

Activist Plant: requires full exposure + occasional feeding
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Re: Sandra Fluke: Activist Plant

Postby ViperOverLord on Fri Mar 09, 2012 6:39 am

oVo wrote:
ViperOverLord wrote:
oVo wrote:I don't think it was even an issue until the Republicans declared that Obama was attacking American's religious rights. It's all political BS that backfired and should not even be a "presidential issue."


Silly Republicans defending the Bill Of Rights.

That's all well and good, except there was no such attack. The silly Republicans
are all busy saying anything while attempting to sway voters and win primaries.

Activist Plant: requires full exposure + occasional feeding


Freedom of religion dude. Obama is trying to tell Catholics (and other religions) to defy their beliefs to fulfill a silly arbitrary government mandate.
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Re: Sandra Fluke: Activist Plant

Postby Phatscotty on Fri Mar 09, 2012 3:55 pm

Not to mention breaking a specific promise to these same religious institution in 2009 that he would not infringe on their religious freedom. Guess some people have to learn the hard way you can't trust Obama.

Just wait until he stabs all the corporations in the back who gave him money for waivers from Obamacare
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Re: Sandra Fluke: Activist Plant

Postby oVo on Fri Mar 09, 2012 3:56 pm

ViperOverLord wrote:Freedom of religion dude?

Nobody is stopping anyone from practicing their religion,
but you can't inflict your beliefs on others.

Catholics can go to confession to absolve their sins and in the USA
that must happen a lot with 90% using birth control.

Man dates are also problematic for Catholics, but that's a totally different issue.
Maybe if the Catholic Church was tolerant of man dates they wouldn't be paying
out absurd amounts of money to the victims of their priest's sexual desires.
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Re: Sandra Fluke: Activist Plant

Postby Symmetry on Fri Mar 09, 2012 4:40 pm

oVo wrote:
ViperOverLord wrote:Freedom of religion dude?

Nobody is stopping anyone from practicing their religion,
but you can't inflict your beliefs on others.

Catholics can go to confession to absolve their sins and in the USA
that must happen a lot with 90% using birth control.

Man dates are also problematic for Catholics, but that's a totally different issue.
Maybe if the Catholic Church was tolerant of man dates they wouldn't be paying
out absurd amounts of money to the victims of their priest's sexual desires.


It's worth noting that the vast vast majority of Catholics practicing Catholicism oppose the Church hierarchy's take on paedophilia, just as most practicing Catholics seem generally in favour of contraception. That's worth bearing in mind when people talk about Catholic beliefs being protected. In reality, it's merely about protecting a small group of men, unelected by practitioners of the faith they claim to represent, arguing that they should maintain unpopular practices under the guise of freedom of religion.

In my personal experience it seems to be a weird alliance between evangelical (or maybe simply more conservative) Protestantism, which usually rails against Catholic Church authority, weirdly allying itself with certain elements of the Catholic hierarchy. Meanwhile most Catholics just seem to want the Church to carry on with normal life and not get so entangled in the sex stuff, again.
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Re: Sandra Fluke: Activist Plant

Postby Night Strike on Sat Mar 10, 2012 1:58 am

oVo wrote:
ViperOverLord wrote:Freedom of religion dude?

Nobody is stopping anyone from practicing their religion,
but you can't inflict your beliefs on others.


Good, then the government should stop inflicting their views on religious organizations.


Oh wait, it's liberals we're talking about. They can use the government to force us to do anything. :roll:
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Re: Sandra Fluke: Activist Plant

Postby ViperOverLord on Sat Mar 10, 2012 3:12 am

Symmetry wrote:
oVo wrote:
ViperOverLord wrote:Freedom of religion dude?

Nobody is stopping anyone from practicing their religion,
but you can't inflict your beliefs on others.

Catholics can go to confession to absolve their sins and in the USA
that must happen a lot with 90% using birth control.

Man dates are also problematic for Catholics, but that's a totally different issue.
Maybe if the Catholic Church was tolerant of man dates they wouldn't be paying
out absurd amounts of money to the victims of their priest's sexual desires.


It's worth noting that the vast vast majority of Catholics practicing Catholicism oppose the Church hierarchy's take on paedophilia, just as most practicing Catholics seem generally in favour of contraception. That's worth bearing in mind when people talk about Catholic beliefs being protected. In reality, it's merely about protecting a small group of men, unelected by practitioners of the faith they claim to represent, arguing that they should maintain unpopular practices under the guise of freedom of religion.

In my personal experience it seems to be a weird alliance between evangelical (or maybe simply more conservative) Protestantism, which usually rails against Catholic Church authority, weirdly allying itself with certain elements of the Catholic hierarchy. Meanwhile most Catholics just seem to want the Church to carry on with normal life and not get so entangled in the sex stuff, again.


The state of the Catholic church or any church is irrelevant. We have the right of freedom of religion and the govt. should not be making undue restrictions on it. That's why we made the Bill Of Rights; to limit the power of government and guarantee personal freedoms.
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Re: Sandra Fluke: Activist Plant

Postby oVo on Sat Mar 10, 2012 10:57 am

All Catholics personal freedoms are untouched in America
and they should feel pretty smug knowing everyone else
on the planet is going to hell.

They are also free to be as hypocritical as anyone else.
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Re: Sandra Fluke: Activist Plant

Postby Phatscotty on Sat Mar 10, 2012 4:06 pm

oVo wrote:All Catholics personal freedoms are untouched in America
and they should feel pretty smug knowing everyone else
on the planet is going to hell.

They are also free to be as hypocritical as anyone else.


Just like Democrats are free to plant an activist hack, imply that she is just a 23 year old student victim of a Catholic Universities position and policy on life, hate-bait and lie that she is a victim yet again by being denied to testify on an ALL MALE panel, then create a hearing specifically for her to hijack the narrative of religious freedom and turn it into a war on women (hate-baiting again).

Untouched indeed
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Re: Sandra Fluke: Activist Plant

Postby Juan_Bottom on Sat Mar 10, 2012 4:45 pm

Well I like her. I think she's cute.
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Re: Sandra Fluke: Activist Plant

Postby Phatscotty on Sat Mar 10, 2012 5:17 pm

Juan_Bottom wrote:Well I like her. I think she's cute.


yeah, she is kind of cute, in a butch kind of way
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Re: Sandra Fluke: Activist Plant

Postby oVo on Sat Mar 10, 2012 6:06 pm

Phatscotty wrote:Just like Democrats are free to plant an activist hack

You do realize that activists are not all leftist, pinko commie, radical, socially deviant,
anti-establishment, tree hugging hippies who are politically motivated and self centered
atheist Democrats. Right?
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Re: Sandra Fluke: Activist Plant

Postby Phatscotty on Sat Mar 10, 2012 6:37 pm

oVo wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:Just like Democrats are free to plant an activist hack

You do realize that activists are not all leftist, pinko commie, radical, socially deviant,
anti-establishment, tree hugging hippies who are politically motivated and self centered
atheist Democrats. Right?


where the hell does this argument come from? First it was Aradhaus in another thread, now this...

Of course I know not all activists are leftists, Sandra Fluke is though
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Re: Sandra Plant: Activist Fluke?

Postby oVo on Sat Mar 10, 2012 7:11 pm

Phatscotty wrote:where the hell does this argument come from?

It emerges from the unsubstantiated, stereotypical, generalizations, hearsay and extrapolations presented here expecting your fellow bitches to just accept as fact.

How do you explain this note I discovered while researching your covert posting activities on this forum Scotty?
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Re: Sandra Plant: Activist Fluke?

Postby Phatscotty on Sat Mar 10, 2012 8:13 pm

oVo wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:where the hell does this argument come from?

It emerges from the unsubstantiated, stereotypical, generalizations, hearsay and extrapolations presented here expecting your fellow bitches to just accept as fact.

How do you explain this note I discovered while researching your covert posting activities on this forum Scotty?


This whole thread has been about one person specifically. I really don't follow you. You informing me about an obvious point that not all activists are from the left, and that emerged from me commenting on the unsubstantiated, stereotypical, generalizations, hearsay and extrapolations of Sandra Fluke, and the "war on women"?
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Re: Sandra Plant: Archival Flake?

Postby oVo on Sat Mar 10, 2012 8:38 pm

So... no denial that you have hopes of ruling the World eh?

I believe that is parallel to the lack of corroborated evidence
that Sandra is indeed a Democratic plant. Still iffy at best.
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Re: Sandra Plant: Archival Flake?

Postby Phatscotty on Sat Mar 10, 2012 9:04 pm

oVo wrote:So... no denial that you have hopes of ruling the World eh?

I believe that is parallel to the lack of corroborated evidence
that Sandra is indeed a Democratic plant. Still iffy at best.


righhhhhhhht. she is just a typical "student" who chose to attend a religious university that does not provide free birth control, which is obviously an issue that is sooooooo important to her.....righhhhhhhhhhhhht


Oops, she is 30? Totalllllll accident originally passing her off as 23. Oopsie Dazey!
She graduated from Cornell University in 2003 and spent five years working for Sanctuary for Families, a New York-based nonprofit aiding victims of domestic violence, where she launched the agency's pilot Program Evaluation Initiative. She co-founded the New York Statewide Coalition for Fair Access to Family Court, which successfully advocated for legislation granting access to civil orders of protection for unmarried victims of domestic violence, including LGBTQ victims and teens. Fluke was also a member of the Manhattan Borough President's Taskforce on Domestic Violence and numerous other New York City and New York State coalitions that successfully advocated for policy improvements impacting victims of domestic violence.
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Re: Sandra Fluke: Activist Plant

Postby oVo on Sat Mar 10, 2012 10:11 pm

Um... the only person I've seen trying to pass her off as 23 is you.
Have you been on a campus lately? 30 is the new 20 for a student.
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Re: Sandra Fluke: Activist Plant

Postby Symmetry on Sat Mar 10, 2012 11:49 pm

ViperOverLord wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
oVo wrote:
ViperOverLord wrote:Freedom of religion dude?

Nobody is stopping anyone from practicing their religion,
but you can't inflict your beliefs on others.

Catholics can go to confession to absolve their sins and in the USA
that must happen a lot with 90% using birth control.

Man dates are also problematic for Catholics, but that's a totally different issue.
Maybe if the Catholic Church was tolerant of man dates they wouldn't be paying
out absurd amounts of money to the victims of their priest's sexual desires.


It's worth noting that the vast vast majority of Catholics practicing Catholicism oppose the Church hierarchy's take on paedophilia, just as most practicing Catholics seem generally in favour of contraception. That's worth bearing in mind when people talk about Catholic beliefs being protected. In reality, it's merely about protecting a small group of men, unelected by practitioners of the faith they claim to represent, arguing that they should maintain unpopular practices under the guise of freedom of religion.

In my personal experience it seems to be a weird alliance between evangelical (or maybe simply more conservative) Protestantism, which usually rails against Catholic Church authority, weirdly allying itself with certain elements of the Catholic hierarchy. Meanwhile most Catholics just seem to want the Church to carry on with normal life and not get so entangled in the sex stuff, again.


The state of the Catholic church or any church is irrelevant. We have the right of freedom of religion and the govt. should not be making undue restrictions on it. That's why we made the Bill Of Rights; to limit the power of government and guarantee personal freedoms.


And yet those personal freedoms are being impeded, with regard to the actual practice of the majority of the Catholic Church within the US. Taking a minority view of what constitutes Catholic practice as representative of Catholicism seems a big part of the problem. Presumably you wouldn't justify exemption from laws regarding paedophilia on the same grounds as protecting this same tiny, unelected, unrepresentative minority?
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Re: Sandra Fluke: Activist Plant

Postby ViperOverLord on Sun Mar 11, 2012 1:44 am

Symmetry wrote:
ViperOverLord wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
oVo wrote:
ViperOverLord wrote:Freedom of religion dude?

Nobody is stopping anyone from practicing their religion,
but you can't inflict your beliefs on others.

Catholics can go to confession to absolve their sins and in the USA
that must happen a lot with 90% using birth control.

Man dates are also problematic for Catholics, but that's a totally different issue.
Maybe if the Catholic Church was tolerant of man dates they wouldn't be paying
out absurd amounts of money to the victims of their priest's sexual desires.


It's worth noting that the vast vast majority of Catholics practicing Catholicism oppose the Church hierarchy's take on paedophilia, just as most practicing Catholics seem generally in favour of contraception. That's worth bearing in mind when people talk about Catholic beliefs being protected. In reality, it's merely about protecting a small group of men, unelected by practitioners of the faith they claim to represent, arguing that they should maintain unpopular practices under the guise of freedom of religion.

In my personal experience it seems to be a weird alliance between evangelical (or maybe simply more conservative) Protestantism, which usually rails against Catholic Church authority, weirdly allying itself with certain elements of the Catholic hierarchy. Meanwhile most Catholics just seem to want the Church to carry on with normal life and not get so entangled in the sex stuff, again.


The state of the Catholic church or any church is irrelevant. We have the right of freedom of religion and the govt. should not be making undue restrictions on it. That's why we made the Bill Of Rights; to limit the power of government and guarantee personal freedoms.


And yet those personal freedoms are being impeded, with regard to the actual practice of the majority of the Catholic Church within the US. Taking a minority view of what constitutes Catholic practice as representative of Catholicism seems a big part of the problem. Presumably you wouldn't justify exemption from laws regarding paedophilia on the same grounds as protecting this same tiny, unelected, unrepresentative minority?


Pedophilia is an abhorrent criminal act (with victims), nor is it even their religious tenant. You should stop letting your biases get in the way of real analysis.
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