Obama College Videos: Critical Race Theory

[ViperOverLord]

Just trying to connect the dots VOL. Maybe I'm too dense to get it, but what does the video in the OP have to do with how the president currently runs our country.

You keep insisting that I see one video as complete evidence of malfeasance. I think its just one small piece of a pattern (and the big picture).

[oVo]

The only clear pattern here is that you have no evidence at all to support a claim that the President is racist. Which --in my opinion-- is the dumbest thing I've heard anyone accuse Obama of yet.

This thread has exposed the fact that Barak Obama used the first name Barry
while at the College in California and I must confess...
that is absolutely SHOCKING!

Viper, if you can sort out exactly how many people in the world named Barry
are racist? Maybe there's some evidence there to support your opinion.

[Lootifer]

Can you explain more about this. How is Obama exactly what we get from people like Breitbart and whatever. I had never heard of Breitbart before his death?

Are you saying that Obama was put into office by the media? I am not agreeing or disagreeing just trying to find out exactly what you mean by that statement. Sometimes my skull is too thick or too full.

Im saying that the kind of candidates who will win elections are not the kind of people who will be good at managing states or countries, they are people who are good at navigating the media and political landscape.

And yes hiding the truth, but not hiding the truth from your average american, your average american prob doesnt care (assuming they can see the forest for the trees so to speak). It's hiding it from idiotic media hypers who dont care about stories, let alone policy debate, but care only about selling advertising.

Wake me up when something meaningful is released.

I agree in that I thought there would be more, and there are more tapes still to come, but this is still interesting to me and I have since began to identify what it is that makes progressives so different from honest and respectable liberals.

Still waioting to find out which one I am!

[BigBallinStalin]

What's so theoretical about Critical Race Theory?

From what I've read in the two links, they attempt to discover "micro-aggressions" motivated by some form of racism within the individual. It's a noble task, but it seems very obscure...


Wait, are we talking about critical race theory or are we raging over another product of politically motivated propaganda?

[Phatscotty]

Just trying to connect the dots VOL. Maybe I'm too dense to get it, but what does the video in the OP have to do with how the president currently runs our country.

You keep insisting that I see one video as complete evidence of malfeasance. I think its just one small piece of a pattern (and the big picture).

without a doubt

[Phatscotty]

The only clear pattern here is that you have no evidence at all to support a claim that the President is racist. Which --in my opinion-- is the dumbest thing I've heard anyone accuse Obama of yet.

This thread has exposed the fact that Barak Obama used the first name Barry
while at the College in California and I must confess...
that is absolutely SHOCKING!

Viper, if you can sort out exactly how many people in the world named Barry
are racist? Maybe there's some evidence there to support your opinion.

If you are asking me if Obama (with the media too) makes decisions and policy and seeks power based solely on considering the color of peoples skin, then the answer is obviously yes.

Oh, you are white? yellow? red? purple? sorry, this group discriminates on anyone who isnt the right skin color.

Progressives have it ass backwards from what Martin Luther King said. MLK said to judge a person by the content of their character, not the color of their skin. I have seen way too much judging based on the color of skin recently, far more than ever in my life.

[Lootifer]

If america was free of racism, PS, then you would have a point.

But can you say, hand on heart, that this is true?

[oVo]

If you are asking me if Obama (with the media too) makes decisions and policy and seeks power based solely on considering the color of peoples skin, then the answer is obviously yes.

That's a perfectly fine assumption and you have every right to voice an opinion about things you imagine to be true, no matter how ill conceived and lacking merit they are. You also possess the freedom to pray to your preferred deity as much as you want for the mental ability of not jumping to such quick conclusions, a better understanding of the world you inhabit and the capacity to correct these obvious errors in judgement.

[thegreekdog]

VOL - I'm just going to leave this here for you. I trust you will find that the director of Mossad is racist and thus it's the only reason he has spoken out against preemptively striking Iran (even though the president has not done that).

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18560_162-5 ... ns-threat/

[BigBallinStalin]

VOL - I'm just going to leave this here for you. I trust you will find that the director of Mossad is racist and thus it's the only reason he has spoken out against preemptively striking Iran (even though the president has not done that).

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18560_162-5 ... ns-threat/

Holy shit, he might have taken it upon himself to undo the the US-Israel "crazy cop" ploy... or Meir Dagan merely provided them the means to cool off while saving face...

(of course, he did say that there's still more time to resolve this issue).

This is a really good link, TGD.

[BigBallinStalin]

Haha, I love this response:

Stahl: Has Israel done anything to encourage, help, support the youth opposition groups that have been marching against the regime?

Dagan: Let's ignore the question.

[Aradhus]

If america was free of racism, PS, then you would have a point.

But can you say, hand on heart, that this is true?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... arged.html

[Symmetry]

If america was free of racism, PS, then you would have a point.

But can you say, hand on heart, that this is true?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... arged.html

Yay, chance to repost the Daily Mail song:

[thegreekdog]

Haha, I love this response:

Stahl: Has Israel done anything to encourage, help, support the youth opposition groups that have been marching against the regime?

Dagan: Let's ignore the question.

This was my favorite:

Stahl: So let me try to sum up what I think you're now saying. And you're saying, "Why should we do it? If we wait and they get the bomb, the Americans will do it."

Dagan: The issue of Iran armed with a nuclear capability is not an Israeli problem; it's an international problem.

Stahl: So wait and let us do it.

Dagan: If I prefer that somebody will do it, I always prefer that Americans will do it.

[Aradhus]

If america was free of racism, PS, then you would have a point.

But can you say, hand on heart, that this is true?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... arged.html

Yay, chance to repost the Daily Mail song:

Hey, that's unfair, I didn't even look at the newspaper. iS Huffington post ok?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/0 ... 32756.html

[Aradhus]

Booom

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/10134693

Guardian Link. Am I redeemed?

[Symmetry]

Booom

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/10134693

Guardian Link. Am I redeemed?

'tis better, hope you learned your lesson. The Daily Mail is not to be trusted, even when it's right.

[oVo]

Booom
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/10134693
Guardian Link. Am I redeemed?

Redeemed of what? Was Obama there and is he one of the witnesses? The fact that racism exists in America is not a reflection of the President. That Orlando story is sad... did the kid assault the neighborhood watch guy with his skittles? That report raises more questions than it answers and why is the story news in the UK?

Guns don't kill people, but stupid people with guns do.

[Symmetry]

Booom
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/10134693
Guardian Link. Am I redeemed?

Redeemed of what? Was Obama there and is he one of the witnesses? The fact that racism exists in America is not a reflection of the President. That Orlando story is sad... did the kid assault the neighborhood watch guy with his skittles? That report raises more questions than it answers and why is the story news in the UK?

Guns don't kill people, but stupid people with guns do.

He's mostly redeemed of posting a Daily Mail article. To be fair, he should also take a shower, but posting a decent link goes a long way toward his eventual redemption.

[BigBallinStalin]

Haha, I love this response:

Stahl: Has Israel done anything to encourage, help, support the youth opposition groups that have been marching against the regime?

Dagan: Let's ignore the question.

This was my favorite:

Stahl: So let me try to sum up what I think you're now saying. And you're saying, "Why should we do it? If we wait and they get the bomb, the Americans will do it."

Dagan: The issue of Iran armed with a nuclear capability is not an Israeli problem; it's an international problem.

Stahl: So wait and let us do it.

Dagan: If I prefer that somebody will do it, I always prefer that Americans will do it.

And with good reason. It's a low-cost strategy for the Israeli government, minus the 20,000 or so missiles that Iran would fire on Israel in retaliation (if Dagan's claim is true).

[oVo]

It was an excellent "60 Minutes" show...

In reference an Iran nuclear threat Dagan also said,
"It's the World's problem."

[thegreekdog]

It was an excellent "60 Minutes" show...

In reference an Iran nuclear threat Dagan also said,
"It's the World's problem."

But I think his point was that Iran is rational. In other words, Iran is not going to launch a nuke or 5 nukes at a particular place to risk being wiped off the map.

[ViperOverLord]

VOL - I'm just going to leave this here for you. I trust you will find that the director of Mossad is racist and thus it's the only reason he has spoken out against preemptively striking Iran (even though the president has not done that).

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18560_162-5 ... ns-threat/

Haha. It's not a communicative property. I argued that Obama's racism allows him to be soft on Iran by not bombing (and sanctions). That doesn't mean that anybody that is against bombing (now) is racist. That was sneaky. Good try

Great read though. I got more answers in one interview with Meir Dagan than what Obama has provided in 3 1/2 years.

It was an excellent "60 Minutes" show...

In reference an Iran nuclear threat Dagan also said,
"It's the World's problem."

But I think his point was that Iran is rational. In other words, Iran is not going to launch a nuke or 5 nukes at a particular place to risk being wiped off the map.

He made the point that he believed it was against Iran's interest to nuke Israel (not that they wouldn't do so). He in fact admitted to the possibility that Iran would nuke Israel. Futhermore, he called Iran's potential self interested actions "rational." He went on to make the case that a nuclear armed Iran could command more oil revenues (while not bombing in the interim). That is what he deemed "rational." He differentiated that type of rational from a "Western rational." He then concluded that a nuclear Iran is the world's problem and not just Israel's problem.

[thegreekdog]

Haha. It's not a c communicative property. I argued that Obama's racism allows him to be soft on Iran by not bombing. That doesn't mean that anybody that is against bombing (now) is racist. That was sneaky. Good try

I don't get the distinction (except that one guy is a president you detest and the other guy is the leader of the greatest security force the world has ever seen).

He made the point that he believed it was against Iran's interest to nuke Israel (not that they wouldn't do so). He also admitted to the possibility that Iran would nuke Israel. He called their potential self interested actions "rational." He went on to make the case that a nuclear armed Iran could command more oil revenues. That is what he deemed rational. He differentiated that type of rational from a "Western rational." He also stated that he thinks this will be easier for Israel if it's the world's problem and not something that they unilaterally face.

I think a nuclear armed Iran creating more oil revenues is as "western rational" as one can possibly get.

My stance on nuclear weapons is that no one should have them. Given that this is an unrealistic stance, my second stance on nuclear weapons is that any state (state being the operative word) who wants to get them or has them wants them or has them for rational reasons. We had them so we could protect ourselves from the Soviet Union and to project our power abroad (rational). The Soviet Union had them to protect themselves from the U.S. and to project their power abroad (rational). The UK, India, Pakistan, Iran, China, North Korea, all have nuclear weapons to protect themselves from other countries imposing their own interests on those countries. Those are rational actions.

Now, if one of those countries uses a nuclear weapon... that is irrational given that we would annihilate said country.

[ViperOverLord]

I think a nuclear armed Iran creating more oil revenues is as "western rational" as one can possibly get.

Really? How much business is the US currently conducting under the guise of nuclear war?

My stance on nuclear weapons is that no one should have them. Given that this is an unrealistic stance, my second stance on nuclear weapons is that any state (state being the operative word) who wants to get them or has them wants them or has them for rational reasons.

Really? Trust anybody? That's your stance? That's silly.

We had them so we could protect ourselves from the Soviet Union and to project our power abroad (rational). The Soviet Union had them to protect themselves from the U.S. and to project their power abroad (rational). The UK, India, Pakistan, Iran, China, North Korea, all have nuclear weapons to protect themselves from other countries imposing their own interests on those countries. Those are rational actions.

Quick point: I don't remember NK finalizing any nuclear bombs (I could be wrong but I don't remember that). Also, Iran does not have nuclear bomb capabilities yet either.

India, Pakistan and China: I think western nations would prefer that they did not have such capabilities. But none of them apparently thought they were enough of a direct threat to be using them else there would have likely been a different outcome.

An argument for Iran having nukes should not be, well other countries have them. We have to decide whether they can be trusted. And even if you are making that case, Obama isn't. He has argued against a nuclear Iran and sanctioned them.

Haha. It's not a c communicative property. I argued that Obama's racism allows him to be soft on Iran by not bombing. That doesn't mean that anybody that is against bombing (now) is racist. That was sneaky. Good try

I don't get the distinction (except that one guy is a president you detest and the other guy is the leader of the greatest security force the world has ever seen).

You're still arguing that a certain world view stance has to be based on racism. You should really check your logic.