Democrat Party's War on America Grows

[comic boy]

My position is simple , Obama wins by default , the opposition has spent all its energy on argument and rhetoric, its a shambles.

[Bones2484]

just curious, where in your opinion are Republicans attacking American traditions, principles, and values?

I'll give you a very quick example of Republicans attacking the freedoms and rights of a group of citizens: Gay rights. I'm sure you (or others) will disagree but that's the entire point of my previous post. Do any of you on either side actually think that you are doing anything more than spouting off your views? Or do you actually think debate is going on in this forum and someone will actually change their opinion based off what someone is ranting about?

Also, no president has ever been re-elected when their average approval rating was below 50%. Throw in the towel?
You are pissin in the wind with your statement Obama isn't even close to 50%. Continue ignoring reality at your own peril!

I would gladly vote for a Republican candidate if I felt they would change America for the better (if Paul is on the ballot, I'll vote for him), but you seem to be the one ignoring reality if you think Obama will lose to any of these fools. If you want to trust the approval rating polling, then you also must trust all the polls who rate Obama over any of the Republican candidates.

[oVo]

Based on 100% facts? Let's start with the very first sentence of your post.
"All of a sudden it's ok to kill Bald Eagles," false, it isn't ok for anyone
to suddenly go out and kill Bald Eagles.

...they aim to change our history and our traditions every chance they get,
they seek to divide us by gender and race and wealth through class warfare
and say it's in the name of fairness?

Who are "they?" Is this a subliminal reference to the Bush/Cheney administration?

[AAFitz]

All of a sudden it's okay to kill bald eagles, the Democratic party is flying an American flag with Obama's face on it, our health care system is socialist, they want high gas prices, they got our country's credit rating downgraded by adding 8+ trillion dollars to the debt in just under 4 years (and then blamed it on the dog), all of a sudden they think it's okay to discriminate on people just because they are white or a Christian and racism and religious bigotry is their obsession of the day, they try to shut down as much oil production as possible, they try to extend the food stamp rolls so they can count on votes through redistributing freebies, they accuse people who support the first and second amendment as "clinging to their bibles and their guns" when they are just practicing their rights as Americans, they want higher taxes and bigger government but won't cut their spending during a time of credit downgrades, they are content in creating 20,000 new regulations every year so far to the point where your child cannot even open up a lemonade stand in your front yard, they have even attacked the Boy Scouts of America, and they aim to change our history and our traditions every chance they get, they seek to divide us by gender and race and wealth through class warfare and say it's in the name of fairness?

Actually, its the Republicans that have divided us and your post is the perfect example. The republican party is owned by and completely works for the top 1% and has helped give them every possible advantage, while simultaneously getting those in dire need of the Democratic policies to argue against them. If it weren't so absolutely disgusting, it would be brilliant. Actually, since its working, it is brilliant...though really it has more taken advantage of those...who are not so brilliant....or, corrupt...or...well....both.

[AAFitz]

Based on 100% facts? Let's start with the very first sentence of your post.
"All of a sudden it's ok to kill Bald Eagles," false, it isn't ok for anyone
to suddenly go out and kill Bald Eagles.

...they aim to change our history and our traditions every chance they get,
they seek to divide us by gender and race and wealth through class warfare
and say it's in the name of fairness?

Who are "they?" Is this a subliminal reference to the Bush/Cheney administration?

Weird too, usually Phatscotty's claims are well substantiated and backed up with significant evidence and not ever simple made up insanities.

[AAFitz]

My position is simple , Obama wins by default , the opposition has spent all its energy on argument and rhetoric, its a shambles.

Im not so sure. The Repubs have fixed one election. If not two. The evidence for that was so widely ignored that Im not sure Ive ever slept as good as before seeing it. I sure as well wouldnt put it past them to fix this one, or even take it by force to be honest. They have plenty of money, power and idiots to do just that. I really hope Im wrong, but I honestly wouldnt give the odds more than 50/50.

But the line at the end of this insanity has been used and never more aptly put than: "Only now, at the end, do you realize the power of the Dark Side."

Most people watching a movie always assume they are the ones on the good side, fighting the evil... except for the socio and psychopaths, its more or less a given....but very few others actually realize they are the villians, and the ones enabling, supporting and funding them, and when they've done it for so long, are nearly psychologically incapable of accepting the real truth of the matter. Ive seen it first hand, and it is both disappointing and down right scary.

People get scared, and they forget about right and wrong, reason and logic, and blindly follow a path that can only lead to destruction. Its justified one injustice at a time, until all right and wrong becomes blurred, and the country wakes up a few years later realizing it just followed a guy like Hitler into war, pure evil and pure destruction. Its the only reason a guy like Santorum or Newt even lasted as long as he did or really even had the chance to last.....because the combination of stupidity and fear, make people do stupid things.

Again, it would be funny, if it were not so tragic.

[natty dread]

Based on 100% facts? Let's start with the very first sentence of your post.
"All of a sudden it's ok to kill Bald Eagles," false, it isn't ok for anyone
to suddenly go out and kill Bald Eagles.

...they aim to change our history and our traditions every chance they get,
they seek to divide us by gender and race and wealth through class warfare
and say it's in the name of fairness?

Who are "they?" Is this a subliminal reference to the Bush/Cheney administration?

Weird too, usually Phatscotty's claims are well substantiated and backed up with significant evidence and not ever simple made up insanities.

Hey, I was just wondering. Was that sarcasm?

[ViperOverLord]

My position is simple , Obama wins by default , the opposition has spent all its energy on argument and rhetoric, its a shambles.

Im not so sure. The Repubs have fixed one election. If not two. The evidence for that was so widely ignored that Im not sure Ive ever slept as good as before seeing it. I sure as well wouldnt put it past them to fix this one, or even take it by force to be honest. They have plenty of money, power and idiots to do just that. I really hope Im wrong, but I honestly wouldnt give the odds more than 50/50.

But the line at the end of this insanity has been used and never more aptly put than: "Only now, at the end, do you realize the power of the Dark Side."

That's your counter argument? That they could fix an election?

[Phatscotty]

Also, no president has ever been re-elected when their average approval rating was below 50%. Throw in the towel?
You are pissin in the wind with your statement Obama isn't even close to 50%. Continue ignoring reality at your own peril!

I would gladly vote for a Republican candidate if I felt they would change America for the better (if Paul is on the ballot, I'll vote for him), but you seem to be the one ignoring reality if you think Obama will lose to any of these fools. If you want to trust the approval rating polling, then you also must trust all the polls who rate Obama over any of the Republican candidates.

(I am separating the first part of your post into a separate post)

Pretty sure the same could be said about Rick Santorum 2 months ago. I am a Ron Paul guy all the way, I even voted for Ralph Nader in the past. All my statement says is that the odds, and history, are against Obama being re-elected. There are plenty of polls to choose from on his approval rating, just like there are plenty of polls that show Romney, Santorum, and even Paul beating Obama (Romney by 5 points even).

All I know is a lot can happen, and the nominee has not even been selected yet, and the campaign has not even started. Whoever the fool is, it's way too early for me to say with authoirty who is going to win and who isn't, and I think it's way too early for anyone else as well.

All I will say is it's not lookin good for Obama on paper. That is up for debate, but we can't really deny that real estate sucks more than ever, gas prices are at or near all time highs, the wars are still going on and we are getting involved in even more conflicts (blatantly without Congressional approval), Guantanamo is still open, the middle east is more volatile than ever, our credit rating was downgraded, we are going into debt more and faster than ever before while our economy is producing less and less, government spending is growing faster than ever before, racial tensions are worse, the country is more divided, food prices are skyrocketing, American's have less and less money to survive on.... etc. etc. etc.

Does this mean I'm blaming it all on Obama? No.
Am I simply observing reality? Yes

[comic boy]

Based on 100% facts? Let's start with the very first sentence of your post.
"All of a sudden it's ok to kill Bald Eagles," false, it isn't ok for anyone
to suddenly go out and kill Bald Eagles.

...they aim to change our history and our traditions every chance they get,
they seek to divide us by gender and race and wealth through class warfare
and say it's in the name of fairness?

Who are "they?" Is this a subliminal reference to the Bush/Cheney administration?

Weird too, usually Phatscotty's claims are well substantiated and backed up with significant evidence and not ever simple made up insanities.

Fitzy you neglected to mention his conviction , his posts reek of conviction , he would bet his life on what he says...oh wait

[Phatscotty]

Based on 100% facts? Let's start with the very first sentence of your post.
"All of a sudden it's ok to kill Bald Eagles," false, it isn't ok for anyone
to suddenly go out and kill Bald Eagles.

...they aim to change our history and our traditions every chance they get,
they seek to divide us by gender and race and wealth through class warfare
and say it's in the name of fairness?

Who are "they?"

Refer to thread title?

and yes it is 100% fact Obama just okay'd native Indian tribes to hunt bald eagles.

You should try to be a little more informed on an issue before you say what is or isn't

[comic boy]

Also, no president has ever been re-elected when their average approval rating was below 50%. Throw in the towel?
You are pissin in the wind with your statement Obama isn't even close to 50%. Continue ignoring reality at your own peril!

I would gladly vote for a Republican candidate if I felt they would change America for the better (if Paul is on the ballot, I'll vote for him), but you seem to be the one ignoring reality if you think Obama will lose to any of these fools. If you want to trust the approval rating polling, then you also must trust all the polls who rate Obama over any of the Republican candidates.

(I am separating the first part of your post into a separate post)

Pretty sure the same could be said about Rick Santorum 2 months ago. I am a Ron Paul guy all the way, I even voted for Ralph Nader in the past. All my statement says is that the odds, and history, are against Obama being re-elected. There are plenty of polls to choose from on his approval rating, just like there are plenty of polls that show Romney, Santorum, and even Paul beating Obama (Romney by 5 points even).

All I know is a lot can happen, and the nominee has not even been selected yet, and the campaign has not even started. Whoever the fool is, it's way too early for me to say with authoirty who is going to win and who isn't, and I think it's way too early for anyone else as well.

All I will say is it's not lookin good for Obama on paper. That is up for debate, but we can't really deny that real estate sucks more than ever, gas prices are at or near all time highs, the wars are still going on and we are getting involved in even more conflicts (blatantly without Congressional approval), Guantanamo is still open, the middle east is more volatile than ever, our credit rating was downgraded, we are going into debt more and faster than ever before while our economy is producing less and less, government spending is growing faster than ever before, racial tensions are worse, the country is more divided, food prices are skyrocketing, American's have less and less money to survive on.... etc. etc. etc.

Does this mean I'm blaming it all on Obama? No.
Am I simply observing reality? Yes

These are indeed good reasons why Obama should be struggling badly , but he isn't , what does that tell us?

[AAFitz]

My position is simple , Obama wins by default , the opposition has spent all its energy on argument and rhetoric, its a shambles.

Im not so sure. The Repubs have fixed one election. If not two. The evidence for that was so widely ignored that Im not sure Ive ever slept as good as before seeing it. I sure as well wouldnt put it past them to fix this one, or even take it by force to be honest. They have plenty of money, power and idiots to do just that. I really hope Im wrong, but I honestly wouldnt give the odds more than 50/50.

But the line at the end of this insanity has been used and never more aptly put than: "Only now, at the end, do you realize the power of the Dark Side."

That's your counter argument? That they could fix an election?

Its not a counter argument.

[AAFitz]

Does this mean I'm blaming it all on Obama? No.
Am I simply observing reality? Yes

Observing reality, perhaps. Accurately processing and understanding it; Absolutely not.

[Phatscotty]

Weird too, usually Phatscotty's claims are well substantiated and backed up with significant evidence and not ever simple made up insanities.

Okay brave liberal. I have been asking for anyone to go ahead and show how any one of those examples in the OP is an "insanity". They are all really easy ones

Can you back up your accusations? Or will you just be the latest to rip the OP on the substance while offering no substance whatsoever? Just a blind "he's crazy"? Based on what?

Which one of these statement is "insane"?

All of a sudden it's okay to kill bald eagles, the Democratic party is flying an American flag with Obama's face on it, our health care system is socialist, they want high gas prices, they got our country's credit rating downgraded by adding 8+ trillion dollars to the debt in just under 4 years (and then blamed it on the dog), all of a sudden they think it's okay to discriminate on people just because they are white or a Christian and racism and religious bigotry is their obsession of the day, they try to shut down as much oil production as possible, they try to extend the food stamp rolls so they can count on votes through redistributing freebies, they accuse people who support the first and second amendment as "clinging to their bibles and their guns" when they are just practicing their rights as Americans, they want higher taxes and bigger government but won't cut their spending during a time of credit downgrades, they are content in creating 20,000 new regulations every year so far to the point where your child cannot even open up a lemonade stand in your front yard, they have even attacked the Boy Scouts of America, and they aim to change our history and our traditions every chance they get, they seek to divide us by gender and race and wealth through class warfare and say it's in the name of fairness?

[Phatscotty]

Also, no president has ever been re-elected when their average approval rating was below 50%. Throw in the towel?
You are pissin in the wind with your statement Obama isn't even close to 50%. Continue ignoring reality at your own peril!

I would gladly vote for a Republican candidate if I felt they would change America for the better (if Paul is on the ballot, I'll vote for him), but you seem to be the one ignoring reality if you think Obama will lose to any of these fools. If you want to trust the approval rating polling, then you also must trust all the polls who rate Obama over any of the Republican candidates.

(I am separating the first part of your post into a separate post)

Pretty sure the same could be said about Rick Santorum 2 months ago. I am a Ron Paul guy all the way, I even voted for Ralph Nader in the past. All my statement says is that the odds, and history, are against Obama being re-elected. There are plenty of polls to choose from on his approval rating, just like there are plenty of polls that show Romney, Santorum, and even Paul beating Obama (Romney by 5 points even).

All I know is a lot can happen, and the nominee has not even been selected yet, and the campaign has not even started. Whoever the fool is, it's way too early for me to say with authoirty who is going to win and who isn't, and I think it's way too early for anyone else as well.

All I will say is it's not lookin good for Obama on paper. That is up for debate, but we can't really deny that real estate sucks more than ever, gas prices are at or near all time highs, the wars are still going on and we are getting involved in even more conflicts (blatantly without Congressional approval), Guantanamo is still open, the middle east is more volatile than ever, our credit rating was downgraded, we are going into debt more and faster than ever before while our economy is producing less and less, government spending is growing faster than ever before, racial tensions are worse, the country is more divided, food prices are skyrocketing, American's have less and less money to survive on.... etc. etc. etc.

Does this mean I'm blaming it all on Obama? No.
Am I simply observing reality? Yes

These are indeed good reasons why Obama should be struggling badly , but he isn't , what does that tell us?

well, let's get into that. What do you base "he is not struggling" on?

[AAFitz]

Based on 100% facts? Let's start with the very first sentence of your post.
"All of a sudden it's ok to kill Bald Eagles," false, it isn't ok for anyone
to suddenly go out and kill Bald Eagles.

...they aim to change our history and our traditions every chance they get,
they seek to divide us by gender and race and wealth through class warfare
and say it's in the name of fairness?

Who are "they?" Is this a subliminal reference to the Bush/Cheney administration?

Weird too, usually Phatscotty's claims are well substantiated and backed up with significant evidence and not ever simple made up insanities.

Fitzy you neglected to mention his conviction , his posts reek of conviction , he would bet his life on what he says...oh wait

Oh, I dont doubt his conviction. Given his complete suggestion that Ron Paul was going to be an actual player however, I think perhaps his actual hypothesis however...can be taken with a grain of salt...or a gram of cocaine...I imagine that might make them seem believable.

[AAFitz]

Weird too, usually Phatscotty's claims are well substantiated and backed up with significant evidence and not ever simple made up insanities.

Okay brave liberal. I have been asking for anyone to go ahead and show how any one of those examples in the OP is an "insanity". They are all really easy ones

Can you back up your accusations? Or will you just be the latest to rip the OP on the substance while offering no substance whatsoever? Just a blind "he's crazy"? Based on what?

Which one of these statement is "insane"?

All of a sudden it's okay to kill bald eagles, the Democratic party is flying an American flag with Obama's face on it, our health care system is socialist, they want high gas prices, they got our country's credit rating downgraded by adding 8+ trillion dollars to the debt in just under 4 years (and then blamed it on the dog), all of a sudden they think it's okay to discriminate on people just because they are white or a Christian and racism and religious bigotry is their obsession of the day, they try to shut down as much oil production as possible, they try to extend the food stamp rolls so they can count on votes through redistributing freebies, they accuse people who support the first and second amendment as "clinging to their bibles and their guns" when they are just practicing their rights as Americans, they want higher taxes and bigger government but won't cut their spending during a time of credit downgrades, they are content in creating 20,000 new regulations every year so far to the point where your child cannot even open up a lemonade stand in your front yard, they have even attacked the Boy Scouts of America, and they aim to change our history and our traditions every chance they get, they seek to divide us by gender and race and wealth through class warfare and say it's in the name of fairness?

Well, first of all, Im not a liberal, and perhaps not even brave. Im simply realistic and educated, and occasionally the resulting views get labeled as liberal. I simply call them reality. I suggest our sun is a large fiery ball at the center of our solar system. By some, this would be labeled a liberal comment. To me, its just the scientifically proven reality in which we live. Many of my views would very much be labeled conservative as well...again...I simply try to find the actual truth of a situation and post that. Perhaps thats bravery, perhaps its cowardice. To me its just right and wrong.

As far as insane...well...insane's a relative term, and was used here more to discuss your overall approach to posting....In this case, I technically said that you dont post insane things though...and even used the modifier: ever.

[oVo]

In case you missed it, here is the 12th thread of a Democrat writing up a similarly intended post against what Republicans are doing. viewtopic.php?f=8&t=167045

In case you missed it, another of your "facts" just crashed and burned. I am not a Democrat. Also the US citizens that are protesting in Texas about the Governor's enacting a law that eliminates the financial support of all health clinics that have any association with abortion are bi-partisan, not Democrat.

Apparently Rick Perry's failure to meet expectations during the Republican Primary Debates didn't alienate enough of his supporters or satisfy the desire to flaunt his political position by imposing his moral values on Texans.

[Phatscotty]

Based on 100% facts? Let's start with the very first sentence of your post.
"All of a sudden it's ok to kill Bald Eagles," false, it isn't ok for anyone
to suddenly go out and kill Bald Eagles.

...they aim to change our history and our traditions every chance they get,
they seek to divide us by gender and race and wealth through class warfare
and say it's in the name of fairness?

Who are "they?" Is this a subliminal reference to the Bush/Cheney administration?

Weird too, usually Phatscotty's claims are well substantiated and backed up with significant evidence and not ever simple made up insanities.

Fitzy you neglected to mention his conviction , his posts reek of conviction , he would bet his life on what he says...oh wait

Oh, I dont doubt his conviction. Given his complete suggestion that Ron Paul was going to be an actual player however, I think perhaps his actual hypothesis however...can be taken with a grain of salt...or a gram of cocaine...I imagine that might make them seem believable.

Lies!
I support Ron Paul 100%. I am not responsible for you assumptions after that about where I could guess it will end up, or how it will look in the future, or what impact he had in 2012 looking back. But if you ask me specifically if Ron Paul is an actual player, of course he is! He was in 2008! Not sure what that has to do with this here, but keep making those awesome arguments. I haven't seen an intelligent issue based response yet.

[Phatscotty]

In case you missed it, here is the 12th thread of a Democrat writing up a similarly intended post against what Republicans are doing. viewtopic.php?f=8&t=167045

In case you missed it, another of your "facts" just crashed and burned. I am not a Democrat. Also the US citizens that are protesting in Texas about the Governor's enacting a law that eliminates the financial support of all health clinics that have any association with abortion are bi-partisan, not Democrat.

Apparently Rick Perry's failure to meet expectations during the Republican Primary Debates didn't alienate enough of his supporters or satisfy the desire to flaunt his political position by imposing his moral values on Texans.

Which fact specifically crashed and burned? I didn't say anything about Rick Perry, Texas, abortion, republican primary debates?

[Phatscotty]

You guys keep sayin you aren't Democrats, but then why are you here attacking my list of current and recent events and how they impact America?

[AAFitz]

Oh, I dont doubt his conviction. Given his complete suggestion that Ron Paul was going to be an actual player however, I think perhaps his actual hypothesis however...can be taken with a grain of salt...or a gram of cocaine...I imagine that might make them seem believable.

Lies!
I support Ron Paul 100%. I am not responsible for you assumptions after that about where I could guess it will end up, or how it will look in the future, or what impact he had in 2012 looking back. But if you ask me specifically if Ron Paul is an actual player, of course he is! He was in 2008! Not sure what that has to do with this here, but keep making those awesome arguments. I haven't seen an intelligent issue based response yet.

Well, hardly lies. Though I agree even cocaine would not make some of your posts believable. You got me there I suppose.

As far as suggesting Ron was not a player, that was definitely the wrong word. Of course he is a player. I should have used the word contender. As far as trying to make a post that you would consider an "intelligent issue based response"...well, I can truthfully say....that is not exactly my objective.

[AAFitz]

You guys keep sayin you aren't Democrats, but then why are you here attacking my list of current and recent events and how they impact America?

Oh, that's just because they are wrong.

[Phatscotty]

You guys keep sayin you aren't Democrats, but then why are you here attacking my list of current and recent events and how they impact America?

Oh, that's just because they are wrong.

which ones (again)?

Dodge again?