ATTN: People Who Believe in Creation Myths

[Juan_Bottom]

I misread what you said.
I saw it after NS responded, but I had hoped you'd ignore it.


damnitt!

[thegreekdog]

I have a fairly strict code of conduct - live and let live. If people don't give me shit about my religious beliefs, I don't give them shit. That being said, my second rule is that I want everyone to abide by my first rule. So, when I see a thread like this where people are being ignorant, intolerant, and vile on both sides, it gets me rather angry.

For example - Creationists are no threat to American society. They may be vocal. They may be forcing creationism to be taught in schools. But who cares? You can stlll go on believing whatever the f*ck you want. I can come in to work tomorrow and say that I believe a giant moose created the earth 50 years ago. Who cares?

For example - Homosexuals are no threat to American society. They may be vocal. They may be forcing the governments to recognize their marriages. But who cares? You can still get married in a church or synagogue or mosque. No gay couple is denigrating the sanctity of your marriage (or your church/synagogue/mosque marriage). Who cares?

The problem becomes when creationists are telling non-creationists what they can or cannot think or do or say. Or when creationists pass a law saying that evolution cannot be taught in schools and that Christianity is the state religion. That's when it becomes a problem. And it won't ever come to that, so who cares?

The problem becomes when homosexuals are telling heterosexuals that they can't get married. That's when it becomes a problem. And it won't ever come to that, so who cares?

Seriously though, cut it the f*ck out. You don't like creationists? Fine. Keep it to your damn self and stop shitting on people because you have some sort of inferiority complex when it comes to your own meager intelligence. You don't like homosexuals? Fine. Keep it to your damn self and stop shitting on people in the guise of your religion where the main tenet is to love your neighbor.

[Juan_Bottom]

I have estimated my IQ to be around 160, thank you. Creationists are the mortal enemies of Atheists. God wills it.

Just how is Creationism respectable?

[Lootifer]

I have a fairly strict code of conduct - live and let live. If people don't give me shit about my religious beliefs, I don't give them shit. That being said, my second rule is that I want everyone to abide by my first rule. So, when I see a thread like this where people are being ignorant, intolerant, and vile on both sides, it gets me rather angry.

For example - Creationists are no threat to American society. They may be vocal. They may be forcing creationism to be taught in schools. But who cares? You can stlll go on believing whatever the f*ck you want. I can come in to work tomorrow and say that I believe a giant moose created the earth 50 years ago. Who cares?

For example - Homosexuals are no threat to American society. They may be vocal. They may be forcing the governments to recognize their marriages. But who cares? You can still get married in a church or synagogue or mosque. No gay couple is denigrating the sanctity of your marriage (or your church/synagogue/mosque marriage). Who cares?

The problem becomes when creationists are telling non-creationists what they can or cannot think or do or say. Or when creationists pass a law saying that evolution cannot be taught in schools and that Christianity is the state religion. That's when it becomes a problem. And it won't ever come to that, so who cares?

The problem becomes when homosexuals are telling heterosexuals that they can't get married. That's when it becomes a problem. And it won't ever come to that, so who cares?

Seriously though, cut it the f*ck out. You don't like creationists? Fine. Keep it to your damn self and stop shitting on people because you have some sort of inferiority complex when it comes to your own meager intelligence. You don't like homosexuals? Fine. Keep it to your damn self and stop shitting on people in the guise of your religion where the main tenet is to love your neighbor.

I still think ur a poopy head.

[Juan_Bottom]

For example - Creationists are no threat to American society. They may be vocal. They may be forcing creationism to be taught in schools. But who cares?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

You can stlll go on believing whatever the f*ck you want.

Maybe you just can't see the threat?

[TA1LGUNN3R]

For example - Creationists are no threat to American society. They may be vocal. They may be forcing creationism to be taught in schools. But who cares? You can stlll go on believing whatever the f*ck you want. I can come in to work tomorrow and say that I believe a giant moose created the earth 50 years ago. Who cares?

Most everything else you've said I agree with, but this I cannot. Should we teach students that maggots spawn w/out the need of flies and just appear from the air, as they believed long ago? Should we teach that the earth is flat... etc. etc. I'm sure you get the point. Creationism has no actual merit in the scientific community, and merely reinforces this attitude that it's okay if we deny observable science because it offends our beliefs or egos. The suppression of scientific (and therefore subsequent technological & medical) advances is detrimental to any society.

-TG

[BigBallinStalin]

By the way, this part has been reported for bigotry. ... Your hubris exposes your bigotry.

Definition of irony:

The guy who thinks homosexuals shouldn't have the same rights as other people is accusing others of bigotry.

Homosexuals have the exact same rights as everybody else because marriage is not a right.

So what's your opinion toward freedom of association* and equality before the law?



*assuming the group is not conspiring to commit harm

[thegreekdog]

For example - Creationists are no threat to American society. They may be vocal. They may be forcing creationism to be taught in schools. But who cares? You can stlll go on believing whatever the f*ck you want. I can come in to work tomorrow and say that I believe a giant moose created the earth 50 years ago. Who cares?

Most everything else you've said I agree with, but this I cannot. Should we teach students that maggots spawn w/out the need of flies and just appear from the air, as they believed long ago? Should we teach that the earth is flat... etc. etc. I'm sure you get the point. Creationism has no actual merit in the scientific community, and merely reinforces this attitude that it's okay if we deny observable science because it offends our beliefs or egos. The suppression of scientific (and therefore subsequent technological & medical) advances is detrimental to any society.

-TG

The difference between 500 some odd years ago and today is that people who believe that flies spawn from nothing or that the earth is flat or that there is scientific "evidence" (fake of course) that the earth was created by some outside force is that the people who believe that or who are taught that will not succeed in life. I have yet to meet or hear about a successful and well-respect scientist who is a young earth creationist. Yeah, maybe they will run for president or something, but how much will that really affect their presidency? JFK could differentiate his religion from his office. I'm pretty sure I could too.

I do agree that creationism has no merit in the scientific community. And as far as I know it is not in the scientific community. In fact, the scientific community rightfully scoffs at it. So, again, I don't see the problem. And I ask again - so what if it's being taught in schools? Your kid gets taught evolution and creationism in the same class, what do you do? "Oh, you'd better go along with it." Of course not. You tell him not to listen to the creationism crap, it's for church, and you move on with your life.

As far as the rest of the scientific advancement goes (things like stem cell research), that is more of a problem.

[thegreekdog]

I have estimated my IQ to be around 160, thank you. Creationists are the mortal enemies of Atheists. God wills it.

Just how is Creationism respectable?

Who said creationism is respectable?

I think one has to have an IQ of 160 to be able to test their own IQ.

[Symmetry]

For example - Creationists are no threat to American society. They may be vocal. They may be forcing creationism to be taught in schools. But who cares? You can stlll go on believing whatever the f*ck you want. I can come in to work tomorrow and say that I believe a giant moose created the earth 50 years ago. Who cares?

Most everything else you've said I agree with, but this I cannot. Should we teach students that maggots spawn w/out the need of flies and just appear from the air, as they believed long ago? Should we teach that the earth is flat... etc. etc. I'm sure you get the point. Creationism has no actual merit in the scientific community, and merely reinforces this attitude that it's okay if we deny observable science because it offends our beliefs or egos. The suppression of scientific (and therefore subsequent technological & medical) advances is detrimental to any society.

-TG

The difference between 500 some odd years ago and today is that people who believe that flies spawn from nothing or that the earth is flat or that there is scientific "evidence" (fake of course) that the earth was created by some outside force is that the people who believe that or who are taught that will not succeed in life. I have yet to meet or hear about a successful and well-respect scientist who is a young earth creationist. Yeah, maybe they will run for president or something, but how much will that really affect their presidency? JFK could differentiate his religion from his office. I'm pretty sure I could too.

I do agree that creationism has no merit in the scientific community. And as far as I know it is not in the scientific community. In fact, the scientific community rightfully scoffs at it. So, again, I don't see the problem. And I ask again - so what if it's being taught in schools? Your kid gets taught evolution and creationism in the same class, what do you do? "Oh, you'd better go along with it." Of course not. You tell him not to listen to the creationism crap, it's for church, and you move on with your life.

As far as the rest of the scientific advancement goes (things like stem cell research), that is more of a problem.

I disagree. A big part of the creationist/ intelligent design stuff is teaching extreme scepticism of science itself. See also the stuff on climate change. Healthy scepticism is fine, but this is teaching kids to distrust a view widely held and studied by experts. Essentially it encourages distrust in science itself by muddying the waters with tedious debates about what constitutes an actual theory or not. It takes up classroom time if professional science teachers are expected to discuss theology.

[thegreekdog]

For example - Creationists are no threat to American society. They may be vocal. They may be forcing creationism to be taught in schools. But who cares? You can stlll go on believing whatever the f*ck you want. I can come in to work tomorrow and say that I believe a giant moose created the earth 50 years ago. Who cares?

Most everything else you've said I agree with, but this I cannot. Should we teach students that maggots spawn w/out the need of flies and just appear from the air, as they believed long ago? Should we teach that the earth is flat... etc. etc. I'm sure you get the point. Creationism has no actual merit in the scientific community, and merely reinforces this attitude that it's okay if we deny observable science because it offends our beliefs or egos. The suppression of scientific (and therefore subsequent technological & medical) advances is detrimental to any society.

-TG

The difference between 500 some odd years ago and today is that people who believe that flies spawn from nothing or that the earth is flat or that there is scientific "evidence" (fake of course) that the earth was created by some outside force is that the people who believe that or who are taught that will not succeed in life. I have yet to meet or hear about a successful and well-respect scientist who is a young earth creationist. Yeah, maybe they will run for president or something, but how much will that really affect their presidency? JFK could differentiate his religion from his office. I'm pretty sure I could too.

I do agree that creationism has no merit in the scientific community. And as far as I know it is not in the scientific community. In fact, the scientific community rightfully scoffs at it. So, again, I don't see the problem. And I ask again - so what if it's being taught in schools? Your kid gets taught evolution and creationism in the same class, what do you do? "Oh, you'd better go along with it." Of course not. You tell him not to listen to the creationism crap, it's for church, and you move on with your life.

As far as the rest of the scientific advancement goes (things like stem cell research), that is more of a problem.

I disagree. A big part of the creationist/ intelligent design stuff is teaching extreme scepticism of science itself. See also the stuff on climate change. Healthy scepticism is fine, but this is teaching kids to distrust a view widely held and studied by experts. Essentially it encourages distrust in science itself by muddying the waters with tedious debates about what constitutes an actual theory or not. It takes up classroom time if professional science teachers are expected to discuss theology.

Again... who cares? I mean, yeah, classroom time... that sucks. And yeah... you'll have 10 kids in your town who want to become scientist-theologians, which is weird. But seriously... is that where concerned citizens want to concetrate their attention? On whether little Johnny gets that extra three days of learning about evolution instead of creationism?

I am glad you brought up climate change. There are three groups of climate change "doubters," although they are lumped together all the time. The first group are the people who can generally be dismissed as nutjobs (and that's probably who you are referring to). In fact, let's call them nutjobs. The second group are the people who understand that climate change is happening, but think it's not man-made. They are regularly lumped in with the nutjobs so as to give them less credibility. It's like how I don't want to pay for womens' abortions, so Player calls me a pro-life mysoginist. Then there is the third group (of which I'm a part) where we acknowledge climate change, humans most likely contribute to climate change, but the government shouldn't be passing laws trying to stop it (or should think about better laws than "hey, let's tax your carbon footprint.").

So... where are the creationists in the climate change stuff? They're the nutjobs. No one listens to them, no one pays attention to them. In sum... they are marginal players in the grand scheme of things at best.

I'll think of another example here to further illustrate my point that people (especially scientists) shouldn't give a shit about creationist (when I've consumed less beer and had more sleep).

[Night Strike]

Actually, there is absolutely nothing stopping Christians or creationists to becoming scientists. In fact, many of us can and do argue that the more we learn from science about how everything works (physics, chemistry, biology, genetics, etc.), the more credence it gives to the existence of a Creator. Everything about our world is so entirely complex that it could not have happened by chance after a big bang or through random, "beneficial" mutations. The more I learn through science and nature, the more apparent it is that everything around was created. That's why Christians get involved in science: to learn how God designed everything.

[Symmetry]

For example - Creationists are no threat to American society. They may be vocal. They may be forcing creationism to be taught in schools. But who cares? You can stlll go on believing whatever the f*ck you want. I can come in to work tomorrow and say that I believe a giant moose created the earth 50 years ago. Who cares?

Most everything else you've said I agree with, but this I cannot. Should we teach students that maggots spawn w/out the need of flies and just appear from the air, as they believed long ago? Should we teach that the earth is flat... etc. etc. I'm sure you get the point. Creationism has no actual merit in the scientific community, and merely reinforces this attitude that it's okay if we deny observable science because it offends our beliefs or egos. The suppression of scientific (and therefore subsequent technological & medical) advances is detrimental to any society.

-TG

The difference between 500 some odd years ago and today is that people who believe that flies spawn from nothing or that the earth is flat or that there is scientific "evidence" (fake of course) that the earth was created by some outside force is that the people who believe that or who are taught that will not succeed in life. I have yet to meet or hear about a successful and well-respect scientist who is a young earth creationist. Yeah, maybe they will run for president or something, but how much will that really affect their presidency? JFK could differentiate his religion from his office. I'm pretty sure I could too.

I do agree that creationism has no merit in the scientific community. And as far as I know it is not in the scientific community. In fact, the scientific community rightfully scoffs at it. So, again, I don't see the problem. And I ask again - so what if it's being taught in schools? Your kid gets taught evolution and creationism in the same class, what do you do? "Oh, you'd better go along with it." Of course not. You tell him not to listen to the creationism crap, it's for church, and you move on with your life.

As far as the rest of the scientific advancement goes (things like stem cell research), that is more of a problem.

I disagree. A big part of the creationist/ intelligent design stuff is teaching extreme scepticism of science itself. See also the stuff on climate change. Healthy scepticism is fine, but this is teaching kids to distrust a view widely held and studied by experts. Essentially it encourages distrust in science itself by muddying the waters with tedious debates about what constitutes an actual theory or not. It takes up classroom time if professional science teachers are expected to discuss theology.

Again... who cares? I mean, yeah, classroom time... that sucks. And yeah... you'll have 10 kids in your town who want to become scientist-theologians, which is weird. But seriously... is that where concerned citizens want to concetrate their attention? On whether little Johnny gets that extra three days of learning about evolution instead of creationism?

I am glad you brought up climate change. There are three groups of climate change "doubters," although they are lumped together all the time. The first group are the people who can generally be dismissed as nutjobs (and that's probably who you are referring to). In fact, let's call them nutjobs. The second group are the people who understand that climate change is happening, but think it's not man-made. They are regularly lumped in with the nutjobs so as to give them less credibility. It's like how I don't want to pay for womens' abortions, so Player calls me a pro-life mysoginist. Then there is the third group (of which I'm a part) where we acknowledge climate change, humans most likely contribute to climate change, but the government shouldn't be passing laws trying to stop it (or should think about better laws than "hey, let's tax your carbon footprint.").

So... where are the creationists in the climate change stuff? They're the nutjobs. No one listens to them, no one pays attention to them. In sum... they are marginal players in the grand scheme of things at best.

I'll think of another example here to further illustrate my point that people (especially scientists) shouldn't give a shit about creationist (when I've consumed less beer and had more sleep).

Meh- I'd rather argue with the awake and sober GD. I'll wait.

[Symmetry]

Actually, there is absolutely nothing stopping Christians or creationists to becoming scientists. In fact, many of us can and do argue that the more we learn from science about how everything works (physics, chemistry, biology, genetics, etc.), the more credence it gives to the existence of a Creator. Everything about our world is so entirely complex that it could not have happened by chance after a big bang or through random, "beneficial" mutations. The more I learn through science and nature, the more apparent it is that everything around was created. That's why Christians get involved in science: to learn how God designed everything.

Even Windows 7? Or not everything? At the moment I'm willing to believe Windows 7 was designed by a malevolent God to test me.

[Haggis_McMutton]

Actually, there is absolutely nothing stopping Christians or creationists to becoming scientists. In fact, many of us can and do argue that the more we learn from science about how everything works (physics, chemistry, biology, genetics, etc.), the more credence it gives to the existence of a Creator. Everything about our world is so entirely complex that it could not have happened by chance after a big bang or through random, "beneficial" mutations. The more I learn through science and nature, the more apparent it is that everything around was created. That's why Christians get involved in science: to learn how God designed everything.

Even Windows 7? Or not everything? At the moment I'm willing to believe Windows 7 was designed by a malevolent God to test me.

He is just testing your faith. Persevere.

[Juan_Bottom]

I have estimated my IQ to be around 160, thank you. Creationists are the mortal enemies of Atheists. God wills it.

Just how is Creationism respectable?

Who said creationism is respectable?

I think one has to have an IQ of 160 to be able to test their own IQ.

Ok, Creationism isn't respectable, but it's not retarded. Did you know that retarded means stupid?
Whatever moderator. Right now you're the last mod in the world who should be telling me to stuff it.

[tkr4lf]

To be fair, he never said (at least not in this thread, I don't know about anywhere else) that he doesn't believe in evolution. For all we know, god is real and created us using evolution.

Based on earlier discussions, I know nightstrike doesn't believe in evolution. He thinks the bible is literally true. Even the parts that contradict each other, somehow.

Ah. Well, my mistake then.

One of the few good things I can say about religion is that its followers are generally happier people. They genuinely believe that their life has meaning. That's gotta be good for the psyche.

Repressing your feelings because you consider them wrong, dirty and sinful doesn't sound like it would be healthy for your psyche...

Well, that part of religion probably isn't good for the psyche, but the part where they genuinely believe their life has purpose probably is.

As far as I'm concerned, life has no meaning. There is no purpose for our existence, and in the end we simply cease to exist. I guess at least people like NS have that going for them. Sometimes it's hard not to slip into complete nihilism when you think that life is pointless, at least for me.

You're looking at it the wrong way. Our life has whatever meaning we want to give it - "meaning" is a subjective definition, after all. If you want to make your life about building the largest cheese pyramid in the world, or becoming the world's best pocket billiard player, then there's the meaning of life for you.

For me, the fact that this life is probably the only thing we get makes it all the more valuable, something that should not be wasted.

I suppose you can give your life meaning in that way, by finding whatever means the most to you and devoting yourself to it. But what if nothing in this world really matters to you? What if you generally despise this world and how it works? What if you really can't find anything that you want to devote your life to?

That state of being, combined with not believing that life has any intrinsic value, is a path to nihilism.

[tkr4lf]

What battle? I didn't realize there was a battle, nor am I a part of any battle.

And look, bottom line, the issue has nothing to do with level of intellect. It's all a matter of belief. Theists believe in a god, atheist believe that there is no god. I say believe, because there is no way to know. You can fool yourself into thinking that you "know" that there is no god, but you don't. It's unknowable. You believe that there isn't a god. And that belief is no different from somebody else's belief that there is a god.

And just because there isn't any evidence that there is a god, doesn't mean that your or my beliefs are correct. There isn't any evidence against there being a god either. For all we know there really is a god, and evolution is simply the mechanism he created to deal with life. We just don't know.

I guess my main point here, is that you have no right to be a total dick to anybody who believes in a god.

I'm actually really surprised to see you trying to sell me down the river in this thread. Have you ever read an literature on this subject or have you come to an Atheist's conclusion on your own? There actually is evidence contradictory to there being a God. There is a world of evidence that there is no Christian God. If you really respect the guesses of Christians then why are you even debating NS?

The real bottom line is that to hold a Christians or a Creationists position is to hold an inferior one to mine. Despite what you said, there is a proven negative correlation between intelligence and religiosity. That is, the stupider you are, the more likely you are to be religious.
There's no reason at all to pretend that I respect a creationists arguments. I don't respect them. Their arguments are pretty f*cking stupid and have no scientific weight. We've smashed them in every debate here and elsewhere. I've never once heard an intelligent argument from a Creationist. I've never had to pause and think before responding. I've never had to do any serious research because of some awesome new revelation from one.
They're not standing on equal footing with me. I'm not going to humor them and pretend that they are. You might as well pretend that a skinhead's ideas are worthy of being too. Neither a Creationist nor a racist has any science to back up their claims. And if you take a look at your position here, of claiming that I'm the radical for being disrespectful; stop and think for a second.... what I'm doing, is bashing a retarded idea that has no science or facts at all to back it up. That's a normal thing to do. Thomas Jefferson recommended it when confronted with an untenable idea. And it's an idea that you don't even believe in. So why are you apologizing for their folly? If their "beliefs" were valid, God would be a Theory and not a Hypothesis. By defending those ideas, you might as well be defending Racism. It's all from the same tree of ignorance. A belief is a belief... but believing in things contrary to all facts is retarded.

Look dude, I'm not trying to sell you down the river. I have no problem with you personally, just in your methods. You're rather extreme in how you go about dealing with people that hold different views than you. Extremism is rarely a good thing, especially when it comes to religion.

As for the literature, no, I haven't read any of it. I honestly don't care that much about it. I came to the atheist/agnostic conclusion myself. But I don't see a point in trying to proselytize. As long as people live and let live, then where is the harm in holding a certain religious belief? Sure, when/if there is something worthy of fighting, then you should fight. Hell, I would fight it in that instance. But to call people names and put them down because of their religious beliefs isn't right. As tgd said, just live and let live.

[natty dread]

Well, that part of religion probably isn't good for the psyche, but the part where they genuinely believe their life has purpose probably is.

Is a false sense of purpose really good for the psyche? If you build your who life and worldview on the assumption of something supernatural, that you'll be rewarded for all your suffering after you die... it seems to me you'd just be neglecting to grow as a person, you'd be spending your life trying to achieve something unachievable...

I suppose you can give your life meaning in that way, by finding whatever means the most to you and devoting yourself to it. But what if nothing in this world really matters to you? What if you generally despise this world and how it works? What if you really can't find anything that you want to devote your life to?

Then you should probably talk to your doctor about getting treatment for your depression...

[tkr4lf]

I suppose you can give your life meaning in that way, by finding whatever means the most to you and devoting yourself to it. But what if nothing in this world really matters to you? What if you generally despise this world and how it works? What if you really can't find anything that you want to devote your life to?

Then you should probably talk to your doctor about getting treatment for your depression...

Eh, pot works just as well, if not better, than anti-depressants.

[natty dread]

I suppose you can give your life meaning in that way, by finding whatever means the most to you and devoting yourself to it. But what if nothing in this world really matters to you? What if you generally despise this world and how it works? What if you really can't find anything that you want to devote your life to?

Then you should probably talk to your doctor about getting treatment for your depression...

Eh, pot works just as well, if not better, than anti-depressants.

No it actually doesn't. If you're depressed and smoke pot it will only make your depression worse.

I have nothing against pot, I think it's a great way to relax and have a good time, but I really really REALLY despise those potheads who try to sell it as some kind of panacea for any and all ailments...

[tkr4lf]

I suppose you can give your life meaning in that way, by finding whatever means the most to you and devoting yourself to it. But what if nothing in this world really matters to you? What if you generally despise this world and how it works? What if you really can't find anything that you want to devote your life to?

Then you should probably talk to your doctor about getting treatment for your depression...

Eh, pot works just as well, if not better, than anti-depressants.

No it actually doesn't. If you're depressed and smoke pot it will only make your depression worse.

I have nothing against pot, I think it's a great way to relax and have a good time, but I really really REALLY despise those potheads who try to sell it as some kind of panacea for any and all ailments...

But it cures cancer!

[tkr4lf]

Completely unrelated, but what are your thoughts on the fact that if Adam and Eve were the only two people, and then they had children, that those children had to have sex with each other and likely with their parents in order to make more people? I mean, if there was nobody else on earth, then how did more people come about? There had to be some incest going on there.

When humans were first created and were "going forth to multiply", they knew nothing about how modern society would deem it in appropriate to procreate with close relatives. God of course knew about the existence of DNA (he designed it) but protected it from the dangerous mutations that occur when close relatives have offspring. There is a specific verse, I believe in Leviticus, where God tells the Israelites that they can no longer have relations with close relatives.

Wow, that's...out there. I can honestly say that's the wildest explanation I've ever heard.

[john9blue]

there's a real misunderstanding of "intelligence" and "IQ" going on in this thread

but i will say that juan is partially right: people with higher IQs typically are less blindly accepting of religious dogma. that includes some creation myths, but generally does not include religion/god as philosophical fields of inquiry.

that's not to say that people who accept it aren't smart... just that people who are smart and accept religious teachings typically have rational reasons for doing so.

[natty dread]

I suppose you can give your life meaning in that way, by finding whatever means the most to you and devoting yourself to it. But what if nothing in this world really matters to you? What if you generally despise this world and how it works? What if you really can't find anything that you want to devote your life to?

Then you should probably talk to your doctor about getting treatment for your depression...

Eh, pot works just as well, if not better, than anti-depressants.

No it actually doesn't. If you're depressed and smoke pot it will only make your depression worse.

I have nothing against pot, I think it's a great way to relax and have a good time, but I really really REALLY despise those potheads who try to sell it as some kind of panacea for any and all ailments...

But it cures cancer!

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