US soldier kill 16 civilians in Afghanistan

[BigBallinStalin]

Scenario 1: An employee acts negligently, gets a customer hurt, and the company gets sued.


Scenario 2:A soldier acts "negligently," kills a few people, and then gets tried for murder. The "company" gets off clean.

[thegreekdog]

Scenario 3: A government employee runs someone over... who gets sued?

[Juan_Bottom]

WTF

Scenario 3: a person kills people and goes to prison.


There's a sharp difference between injuring people while under work supervision and stealing company supplies to go on a killing spree. Wal*Mart also pioneered the "don't sue us, sue the employee" court tactic to counter this. Why are we even talking about this. This is stupid.

If I were judge, based on info from press reports, I would sentence this soldier to treatment at a private hospital in Newport Beach followed by release. I would sentence Obama and Panetta to life in a rock quarry without parole and an $8 million fine each (they both have the money).

You just said:

We've already tried and convicted every soldier in the Syrian army based on a grainy YouTube video.

You can't have it both ways. You can't argue that other's base their opinions off of news propaganda and then use that same propaganda to justify your own position......or can you..... you are Saxi.....

[saxitoxin]

Good point, BBS.

Did command staff tell the civillian leadership that the current deployment schedule would have violent mental health consequences?

There seems to be indication.

Did the regime have an option to mitigate that?

Of course - conscription.

Why didn't Obama decree mass conscription to deal with manpower shortages?

It would have harmed his personal wealth (electability).

I hereby conscript TGD to define this case within the principles of tort.

[Qwert]

I think that US dont have any agrement with Afghanistan,where US soldier are protected against any sue from host countrie.
That why US leave Iraq,because iraq refuse to sign these document.

[Qwert]

well ,i think that stage for sharade are starting. Suspect dont remember of any killing,and hes lawyer say that prosecutors dont have enough proffs and evidents against hes client.
He its free.

[tkr4lf]

I'm not trying to justify what this guy did, but I do feel sympathy for our soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The wars there are much like the war in Vietnam, in that sometimes it's hard to tell the difference between enemy combatants and civilians. They dress the same/similarly, the enemy combatants hide out in civilian population centers, etc.

This doesn't excuse mass killings of civilians, but it's still a valid point.

[Symmetry]

I'm not trying to justify what this guy did, but I do feel sympathy for our soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The wars there are much like the war in Vietnam, in that sometimes it's hard to tell the difference between enemy combatants and civilians. They dress the same/similarly, the enemy combatants hide out in civilian population centers, etc.

This doesn't excuse mass killings of civilians, but it's still a valid point.

It's a valid point, but not so much in this case. As far as I can tell the allegations are that he left base of his own accord and gunned down 16 people, including 9 kids and three women.

I guess what I want to say is that this wasn't a heat of the moment couldn't tell civilians from enemies kind of thing. At least, as far as I'm reading it.

[tkr4lf]

I'm not trying to justify what this guy did, but I do feel sympathy for our soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The wars there are much like the war in Vietnam, in that sometimes it's hard to tell the difference between enemy combatants and civilians. They dress the same/similarly, the enemy combatants hide out in civilian population centers, etc.

This doesn't excuse mass killings of civilians, but it's still a valid point.

It's a valid point, but not so much in this case. As far as I can tell the allegations are that he left base of his own accord and gunned down 16 people, including 9 kids and three women.

I guess what I want to say is that this wasn't a heat of the moment couldn't tell civilians from enemies kind of thing. At least, as far as I'm reading it.

Oh, well, in that case, my point has nothing to do with this guy. This guy is just a fucked up piece of shit.

My point only applies to the normal soldiers who just happen to accidentally kill some civilians while engaging enemy combatants.

It probably would have helped had I read the article, or payed attention to the news and knew what the guy actually did.

[comic boy]

well ,i think that stage for sharade are starting. Suspect dont remember of any killing,and hes lawyer say that prosecutors dont have enough proffs and evidents against hes client.
He its free.

No I dont believe you do think.

[saxitoxin]

well ,i think that stage for sharade are starting. Suspect dont remember of any killing,and hes lawyer say that prosecutors dont have enough proffs and evidents against hes client.
He its free.

No I dont believe you do think.

How do you feel this contributed to the discussion?

In any case, obviously no sane person would kill 16 people and then immediately turn himself in. It's not like he was trying to get away with it.

As has already been covered, the suspect had a Traumatic Brain Injury. It's reasonable to assume he did not provide himself with firearms or deploy himself to Afghanistan. Responsibility should, therefore, rest with those who did. The decision to arm people with brain injuries is a political, not tactical, decision. I won't hold my breath that Obama will be tried for negligent homicide, however. It's easier to throw a lowly staff sergeant to the dogs.

Yugoslav Wars, World War II, every war in the last 100 years - the rich and powerful held responsible, enlisted men exonerated

NATO Wars - the rich and powerful exonerated, enlisted men held responsible

[saxitoxin]

Barack Obama is committing the same crimes [as Bush and Cheney], in fact worse ones in Afghanistan. Innocents are being slaughtered, we’re creating more enemies, he’s violating international law, he’s not constitutionally authorized to do what he’s doing, he’s engaging in illegal surveillance, the CIA is running wild without any kind of circumsribed legal standards or disclosure. Why don’t we say what’s on the minds of many legal experts; that the Obama administration is committing war crimes and if Bush should have been impeached, Obama should be impeached.

[saxitoxin]

PICTURE VOMIT!

[Symmetry]

Three posts in a row Saxi, with some admittedly nice pictures. Is this going to be another thread you spam 'till someone pays attention to you?

[saxitoxin]

Three posts in a row Saxi, with some admittedly nice pictures. Is this going to be another thread you spam 'till someone pays attention to you?

Are you still upset I publicly questioned your position calling for the ethnic cleansing of the Irish?

[BigBallinStalin]

We'll take that as a "yes, saxi."


More importantly, over the past decade I've been marginally empathizing with British subjects beneath the British Empire. I've marveled out how such an empire could be maintained, yet the people didn't really care, or weren't effective in stopping the imperialism, or what have you.


Information was much more costly back then, and today it's much cheaper, but does that really matter? Americans hardly hold any influence on the formation of US foreign policy. Look at the past three wars: Afghanistan 2001, Iraq 2003, Libya 2011. The US attacked each of them, and technically we're bombing people in Yemen, Pakistan, Somalia, etc. The US is aggressive; it's killing a few terrorists while killing many civilians and many insurgents who are fighting to expel the occupiers and installed governments. Currently, the US is waiting for a casus belli against Iran.


What the hell is wrong with us Americans? Are we powerless? Are we that blind? What have been the supposed benefits of the past 11 years of national "defense"? And at what costs (>$3 trillion, thousands of US soldiers dead or wounded, hundreds of thousands dead civilians (directly and indirectly from consequent instability caused by US intervention). What the hell is going on, people?


What a legacy of empire.

[thegreekdog]

Three posts in a row Saxi, with some admittedly nice pictures. Is this going to be another thread you spam 'till someone pays attention to you?

Americans who abide by the tenets of Democratic politics or Republican politics get uncomfortable with stuff like this. On the one hand, the Republicans don't want to admit their boy Bush tortured people, signed the Patriot Act, and got us involved in one unnecessary war. On the other hand, the Democrats who specifically voted out Bush (after giving him the middle finger as he left the White House, calling him Adolf Hitler, and burning him in effigy) now have to deal with their savior doing the same shit Bush did (except also getting us involved in another "conflict."). So, yeah, that's why no one is responding to Saxi.

[Qwert]

I'm not trying to justify what this guy did, but I do feel sympathy for our soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The wars there are much like the war in Vietnam, in that sometimes it's hard to tell the difference between enemy combatants and civilians. They dress the same/similarly, the enemy combatants hide out in civilian population centers, etc.

This doesn't excuse mass killings of civilians, but it's still a valid point.

Well from what i read(BBC-CNN), these soldier take hes weapon, dress like afghan people,and in night he leave BAse,move to village who are 500 meters from Base, and then attack vilagers who are sleep. When he finish job,try to burn some killed,and then move back to base and surender.
If he have brain damage,then he will not be in position to prepare plan for these executions. If someone in US do same ,he will be get death penalty, no chance to be free, but Afghan people are less valuable people, then punishment will be light.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-17334643