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Phatscotty wrote:I will speculate a little bit. Zimmerman is a neighborhood watchman. He saw a stranger (Trayvon did not live there) walking through the closed community. The watchman asked Trayvon if he lived there and maybe where he was going. Trayvon told him to go f*ck himself. Zimmerman got out of the car and told Trayvon to show him how someone fucks themselves. They got into a fight, Trayvon was getting the best of Zimmerman, and Zimm pulled out the gun and shot him.
If a grand jury finds there is enough evidence to try Zimm in front of his peers and he is found guilty, fine, lock his ass up. The police files will be opened in a couple weeks. But to me this isn't about Zimm or Tray, it's about the media severely misrepresenting the facts and intentionally misleading people. I call it the Loughner/Fluke strategy.
The saddest thing is, if Zimmerman were a black person, nobody would be talking about it.
AAFitz wrote:Phatscotty wrote:I will speculate a little bit. Zimmerman is a neighborhood watchman. He saw a stranger (Trayvon did not live there) walking through the closed community. The watchman asked Trayvon if he lived there and maybe where he was going. Trayvon told him to go f*ck himself. Zimmerman got out of the car and told Trayvon to show him how someone fucks themselves. They got into a fight, Trayvon was getting the best of Zimmerman, and Zimm pulled out the gun and shot him.
If a grand jury finds there is enough evidence to try Zimm in front of his peers and he is found guilty, fine, lock his ass up. The police files will be opened in a couple weeks. But to me this isn't about Zimm or Tray, it's about the media severely misrepresenting the facts and intentionally misleading people. I call it the Loughner/Fluke strategy.
The saddest thing is, if Zimmerman were a black person, nobody would be talking about it.
Exactly...they probably would have just thrown him in prison.
Statistically speaking of course.
I would also point out that you were trying to very much do some misleading yourself with your facts, and were very much using the facts to suggest something they didnt.
Phatscotty wrote:Aradhus wrote:Phatscotty wrote:How did Zimmerman get a broken nose? How did he get a cut on the back of his head?
Just wondering if anyone knows.
Assuming that is true, could it be that he attacked the kid he was fucking stalking, and the kid defended himself?
You guys are clowns.
911 callāThis guy looks like heās up to no good or on drugs or something,ā Mr. Zimmerman told dispatch, in his initial call. āItās raining and heās just walking around, looking about.ā Mr. Zimmerman continued: āHeās here now just looking at all the houses. Now heās just staring at me.ā Then he added a second later: āHeās coming to check me out. Heās got something in his hands. I donāt know what his deal is. Can you get an officer over here?ā
AAFitz wrote:Phatscotty wrote:Aradhus wrote:Phatscotty wrote:How did Zimmerman get a broken nose? How did he get a cut on the back of his head?
Just wondering if anyone knows.
Assuming that is true, could it be that he attacked the kid he was fucking stalking, and the kid defended himself?
You guys are clowns.
911 callāThis guy looks like heās up to no good or on drugs or something,ā Mr. Zimmerman told dispatch, in his initial call. āItās raining and heās just walking around, looking about.ā Mr. Zimmerman continued: āHeās here now just looking at all the houses. Now heās just staring at me.ā Then he added a second later: āHeās coming to check me out. Heās got something in his hands. I donāt know what his deal is. Can you get an officer over here?ā
Was he on drugs, or up to no good?
Phatscotty wrote:AAFitz wrote:Phatscotty wrote:Aradhus wrote:Phatscotty wrote:How did Zimmerman get a broken nose? How did he get a cut on the back of his head?
Just wondering if anyone knows.
Assuming that is true, could it be that he attacked the kid he was fucking stalking, and the kid defended himself?
You guys are clowns.
911 callāThis guy looks like heās up to no good or on drugs or something,ā Mr. Zimmerman told dispatch, in his initial call. āItās raining and heās just walking around, looking about.ā Mr. Zimmerman continued: āHeās here now just looking at all the houses. Now heās just staring at me.ā Then he added a second later: āHeās coming to check me out. Heās got something in his hands. I donāt know what his deal is. Can you get an officer over here?ā
Was he on drugs, or up to no good?
Dude, I was just quoting the 911 phone tapes. I have no idea
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AAFitz wrote:Phatscotty wrote:AAFitz wrote:Phatscotty wrote:Aradhus wrote:
Assuming that is true, could it be that he attacked the kid he was fucking stalking, and the kid defended himself?
You guys are clowns.
911 callāThis guy looks like heās up to no good or on drugs or something,ā Mr. Zimmerman told dispatch, in his initial call. āItās raining and heās just walking around, looking about.ā Mr. Zimmerman continued: āHeās here now just looking at all the houses. Now heās just staring at me.ā Then he added a second later: āHeās coming to check me out. Heās got something in his hands. I donāt know what his deal is. Can you get an officer over here?ā
Was he on drugs, or up to no good?
Dude, I was just quoting the 911 phone tapes. I have no idea
Dude, I was just pointing out that the 911 call doesnt at all mean anything out of context.
If the guy Zimmerman was out for blood, as perhaps the gun suggested....the 911 call especially if the facts are untrue, is actually evidence against him.
Phatscotty wrote:
Carrying a gun means he was out for blood? He's been carrying a gun for over 10 years....just wondering what took him so long...
and I don't follow you on the 911 call. I think you mean Zimmerman may have just been covering his own ass? Yes I think that is possible. What do you mean that it's evidence against him?
Phatscotty wrote:You guys are clowns.
AAFitz wrote:Phatscotty wrote:You guys are clowns.
I think you're the one in the circus act here, and I for one, am fully entertained.
but gotta work dammit...Ill try to resume later
Phatscotty wrote:I will speculate a little bit. Zimmerman is a neighborhood watchman. He saw a stranger (Trayvon did not live there) walking through the closed community. The watchman asked Trayvon if he lived there and maybe where he was going. Trayvon told him to go f*ck himself. Zimmerman got out of the car and told Trayvon to show him how someone fucks themselves. They got into a fight, Trayvon was getting the best of Zimmerman, and Zimm pulled out the gun and shot him.
Aradhus wrote:are you smoking crack tgd? A - Obama looks like a black man. What the f*ck are you talking about? Is he not speaking out enough about white kids being gunned down and the murder not investigated properly?
B - the point he is making is that wether you're the son of the president, or some random schmo on the street, your death deserves to be treated with the same level of investigation. Without bias. Without prejudice. With justice.
thegreekdog wrote:Aradhus wrote:are you smoking crack tgd? A - Obama looks like a black man. What the f*ck are you talking about? Is he not speaking out enough about white kids being gunned down and the murder not investigated properly?
B - the point he is making is that wether you're the son of the president, or some random schmo on the street, your death deserves to be treated with the same level of investigation. Without bias. Without prejudice. With justice.
The point he's making is that when it's politically beneficial for him, he will address violent crimes directly.
Do you know how many violent crimes happen in the United States to young black people? How many times has the president directly addressed these? Zero? Why is he addressing it now? The answer is because it's politically beneficial for him to do so.
From what I've read, this is a crime and a violent crime and a violent crime against a young black man, and it's horrible and it shouldn't happen and we should all be outraged. But we should all be outraged any time this happens. And we're not. And the president certainly is not. So, again, why is he outraged now?
Aradhus wrote:thegreekdog wrote:Aradhus wrote:are you smoking crack tgd? A - Obama looks like a black man. What the f*ck are you talking about? Is he not speaking out enough about white kids being gunned down and the murder not investigated properly?
B - the point he is making is that wether you're the son of the president, or some random schmo on the street, your death deserves to be treated with the same level of investigation. Without bias. Without prejudice. With justice.
The point he's making is that when it's politically beneficial for him, he will address violent crimes directly.
Do you know how many violent crimes happen in the United States to young black people? How many times has the president directly addressed these? Zero? Why is he addressing it now? The answer is because it's politically beneficial for him to do so.
From what I've read, this is a crime and a violent crime and a violent crime against a young black man, and it's horrible and it shouldn't happen and we should all be outraged. But we should all be outraged any time this happens. And we're not. And the president certainly is not. So, again, why is he outraged now?
Or.... He's answering, because the media repeatedly ask him about it... And his point was almost exactly what your last paragraph is.
Phatscotty wrote:I will speculate a little bit. Zimmerman is a neighborhood watchman. He saw a stranger (Trayvon did not live there) walking through the closed community. The watchman asked Trayvon if he lived there and maybe where he was going. Trayvon told him to go f*ck himself. Zimmerman got out of the car and told Trayvon to show him how someone fucks themselves. They got into a fight, Trayvon was getting the best of Zimmerman, and Zimm pulled out the gun and shot him.
Timminz wrote:Phatscotty wrote:I will speculate a little bit. Zimmerman is a neighborhood watchman. He saw a stranger (Trayvon did not live there) walking through the closed community. The watchman asked Trayvon if he lived there and maybe where he was going. Trayvon told him to go f*ck himself. Zimmerman got out of the car and told Trayvon to show him how someone fucks themselves. They got into a fight, Trayvon was getting the best of Zimmerman, and Zimm pulled out the gun and shot him.
Even in your speculative fantasy, Zimmerman is obviously at fault.
"He told me to go f*ck myself", is not a valid reason to confront someone physically. Also, losing a fight to and unarmed person half your size (a fight that you initiated), is not a valid reason to shoot someone to death.
Mr_Adams wrote:You, sir, are an idiot.
Timminz wrote:By that logic, you eat babies.
Timminz wrote:Phatscotty wrote:I will speculate a little bit. Zimmerman is a neighborhood watchman. He saw a stranger (Trayvon did not live there) walking through the closed community. The watchman asked Trayvon if he lived there and maybe where he was going. Trayvon told him to go f*ck himself. Zimmerman got out of the car and told Trayvon to show him how someone fucks themselves. They got into a fight, Trayvon was getting the best of Zimmerman, and Zimm pulled out the gun and shot him.
Even in your speculative fantasy, Zimmerman is obviously at fault.
"He told me to go f*ck myself", is not a valid reason to confront someone physically. Also, losing a fight to and unarmed person half your size (a fight that you initiated), is not a valid reason to shoot someone to death.
spurgistan wrote:"Speculate" =/ "invent a scenario that would fit your worldview when we already possess most of the relevant information."
Zimmerman wasn't supposed to have a gun. The dispatcher Zimmerman spoke with was adamant that he not pursue Trayvon, because he wasn't supposed to do that. Zimmerman sounded angry that "they always get away."
ViperOverLord wrote:I also am annoyed that blacks aren't held to account. They just get to scream racism any time they want and we're not supposed to challenge them.
Symmetry wrote:ViperOverLord wrote:I also am annoyed that blacks aren't held to account. They just get to scream racism any time they want and we're not supposed to challenge them.
I'm gonna go ahead and offer you the chance to rephrase that. Perhaps, I would gently suggest, in a way that doesn't suggest you hold an irrational grudge against African-Americans.
Night Strike wrote:Symmetry wrote:ViperOverLord wrote:I also am annoyed that blacks aren't held to account. They just get to scream racism any time they want and we're not supposed to challenge them.
I'm gonna go ahead and offer you the chance to rephrase that. Perhaps, I would gently suggest, in a way that doesn't suggest you hold an irrational grudge against African-Americans.
There are more blacks in the US than just those who are African-Americans. There are also African-Americans who are not black. And yes, people like Al Sharpton do get to cry racism without any challenge to their irrational grudges against white people.
Symmetry wrote:ViperOverLord wrote:I also am annoyed that blacks aren't held to account. They just get to scream racism any time they want and we're not supposed to challenge them.
I'm gonna go ahead and offer you the chance to rephrase that. Perhaps, I would gently suggest, in a way that doesn't suggest you hold an irrational grudge against African-Americans.
I also am annoyed that blacks aren't held to account. They just get to scream racism any time they want and we're not supposed to challenge them. F that. They know the facts. They just want attention and to be victims of the man. PS said it best__ they murder more people than anyone. They need to take responsibility for their own actions instead of looking for scapegoats.
ViperOverLord wrote:Symmetry wrote:ViperOverLord wrote:I also am annoyed that blacks aren't held to account. They just get to scream racism any time they want and we're not supposed to challenge them.
I'm gonna go ahead and offer you the chance to rephrase that. Perhaps, I would gently suggest, in a way that doesn't suggest you hold an irrational grudge against African-Americans.
I'm not going to pander to your liberal condescension. I said what I meant. You choose to see an irrational grudge that does not exist.
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