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Is racism a problem in the USA?

 
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Re: Racism as perceived by ViperOverLord

Postby natty dread on Fri Mar 30, 2012 3:00 am

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natty dread wrote:68-year old black man with a medical condition murdered by racist police officers



Oh but no, racism is not a problem in the USA.



Hmmm, I don't think racism had anything to do with that.....

http://www.thedailywhiteplains.com/news ... ying-knife

But who knows, people make up whatever story they want I suppose.


Yeah, kind of like you're doing right now - Making up stories about imaginary knives. In fact the victim had no knife, and the police officers called him a n****er before murdering him in cold blood.

JUAN GONZALEZ: —in Westchester County, so you’re familiar with police procedures in cases like this. I’m struck by the fact that the identity of the police officer involved has not yet been revealed. That’s something that’s pretty routine in cases like this, certainly by this time, because we’re talking about an event that happened in November.

MAYO BARTLETT: Absolutely. I think that anybody who lives in the city of White Plains has to ask themselves whether this individual is working right now. And if so, in what capacity? And I think that it’s just—it’s atrocious that that name has not been released and that the officers involved are not at least on desk duty, some type of modified duty.

Looking at it as a former prosecutor, whenever you talk about a use of force, you always look at a use of force continuum, and it’s an escalation of force. And generally, police departments have rules and protocols which suggest that you should first start out with a verbal command, if in fact there’s even a need to do that and if that’s the least intrusive manner that you can address an issue. And after that, it goes generally to a light hands application, and it goes up from there to possibly a baton, pepper spray, possibly a taser. And you use deadly force only when it’s necessary to prevent deadly force from being used.

And in this case, Mr. Chamberlain didn’t have a gun. Mr. Chamberlain, when I saw the videotape, did not have a knife when he was in his apartment. You see a 68-year-old man with no shirt on and boxer shorts and his hands down at his sides. And I didn’t see any weapon in his hands there.

And the other thing that’s troubling to me is the fact that a taser was used at all, because you’re there for a medical response. You’re not there investigating a criminal act. You are there with the understanding that there may be a person who needs medical assistance.


Relevant part underlined for your convenience.

AMY GOODMAN: I want to read part of the initial news coverage around the killing of Kenneth Chamberlain, Sr. The headline on the News 12 website read, quote, "Officer fatally shoots hatchet-wielding man." TheDailyWhitePlains.com website posted an article titled "Police Fatally Shoot Disturbed Man Carrying Knife." The story begins, quote, "White Plains police say an officer discharged two rounds, fatally shooting an emotionally disturbed White Plains man who attempted to bar officers from entering his apartment with a hatchet and then turned towards police with a butcher’s knife." Randy McLaughlin, would you respond to this?

RANDOLPH McLAUGHLIN: Well, first, one of the problems in a wrongful death case like this is, you’ve got a decedent, the person who’s dead, and the police initially put out their spin. And that’s a spin. That’s clearly a spin. The videotape had—there’s also a videotape of what happened in that hallway. There’s an audio tape. There’s a videotape of Mr. Chamberlain when they come at him with the taser. This is a clear violation of criminal law and of constitutional rights. In our country, we have a Fourth Amendment that says we’re supposed to be secure in our own homes. Mr. Chamberlain wasn’t attacking anyone. He was in his home. This idea that they—he attacked anyone with a hatchet is, frankly, a lie. That’s what it is. It’s a cover story to cover up what they’ve done here. And we’re meeting with the district attorney this afternoon, of Westchester County, to press for a full prosecution of the highest crimes in this state. There’s a petition, and online petition, that Mr. Chamberlain has put out, and we’re presenting that petition to her today, as well.


These are transcripts from the link I posted which clearly show that you are wrong. The police initially claimed that the victim attacked the officers with a knife (or hatchet, lol they can't even get their lies straight) before they realized that audio and video recordings exist of the event, and these recordings show that the police a) called the victim n****er or some other racial slur and b) murdered the victim for no reason.

Now this all raises the question... are you just looking for reasons to defend the murderer because the victim was black? Or are you just getting defensive because you don't want to believe racism exists in your country? In other words... are you a racist, or do you just not want to admit that racism is as big a problem as it is, because of a sort of wishful thinking I guess? I know I'm sometimes guilty of the same - when I hear news of some really horrible shit, I'm reluctant to believe it because of the implications, that I live in a place where horrible shit like that can actually happen...
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Re: Racism as perceived by ViperOverLord

Postby keiths31 on Fri Mar 30, 2012 1:54 pm

natty dread wrote:68-year old black man with a medical condition murdered by racist police officers



Oh but no, racism is not a problem in the USA.


What? It isn't in Finalnd? There are no hate crimes against the Roma people? Aren't there more Roma incarnated based on population than any other ethnic group in Finland?

Look. Every country in the world has it's issues with racism. No one on here can deny that it exists in their country. Canada has it's own problems and it is something my children have been on the receiving end of. No country will ever eliminate racism completely. Doesn't mean we stop trying...
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Re: Racism as perceived by ViperOverLord

Postby natty dread on Fri Mar 30, 2012 2:15 pm

Ok shut up, we aren't talking about Finland or Denmark or Uzbekistan right now. We're talking about USA.

If you want to discuss the racism problems of Canada, you can start a thread about it.
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Re: Racism as perceived by ViperOverLord

Postby Symmetry on Fri Mar 30, 2012 2:21 pm

keiths31 wrote:
natty dread wrote:68-year old black man with a medical condition murdered by racist police officers



Oh but no, racism is not a problem in the USA.


What? It isn't in Finalnd? There are no hate crimes against the Roma people? Aren't there more Roma incarnated based on population than any other ethnic group in Finland?

Look. Every country in the world has it's issues with racism. No one on here can deny that it exists in their country. Canada has it's own problems and it is something my children have been on the receiving end of. No country will ever eliminate racism completely. Doesn't mean we stop trying...


"Incarcerated", maybe? Although "incarnated" would make for a more interesting argument.
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Re: Racism as perceived by ViperOverLord

Postby john9blue on Fri Mar 30, 2012 2:24 pm

natty dread wrote:Ok shut up, we aren't talking about Finland or Denmark or Uzbekistan right now. We're talking about USA.

If you want to discuss the racism problems of Canada, you can start a thread about it.


the only problem is that nobody will care because your country is irrelevant.

and then people like you will continue thinking that the USA is racist central.
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Re: Racism as perceived by ViperOverLord

Postby keiths31 on Fri Mar 30, 2012 2:27 pm

natty dread wrote:Ok shut up, we aren't talking about Finland or Denmark or Uzbekistan right now. We're talking about USA.

If you want to discuss the racism problems of Canada, you can start a thread about it.


I will not shut up. You are so smug in these forums and you enjoy bashing the USA to know end. The USA isn't perfect, neither is Canada and neither is Finland (except for the pancakes).
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Re: Racism as perceived by ViperOverLord

Postby keiths31 on Fri Mar 30, 2012 2:28 pm

Symmetry wrote:
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natty dread wrote:68-year old black man with a medical condition murdered by racist police officers



Oh but no, racism is not a problem in the USA.


What? It isn't in Finalnd? There are no hate crimes against the Roma people? Aren't there more Roma incarnated based on population than any other ethnic group in Finland?

Look. Every country in the world has it's issues with racism. No one on here can deny that it exists in their country. Canada has it's own problems and it is something my children have been on the receiving end of. No country will ever eliminate racism completely. Doesn't mean we stop trying...


"Incarcerated", maybe? Although "incarnated" would make for a more interesting argument.


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Re: Racism as perceived by ViperOverLord

Postby thegreekdog on Fri Mar 30, 2012 2:29 pm

keiths31 wrote:
natty dread wrote:Ok shut up, we aren't talking about Finland or Denmark or Uzbekistan right now. We're talking about USA.

If you want to discuss the racism problems of Canada, you can start a thread about it.


I will not shut up. You are so smug in these forums and you enjoy bashing the USA to know end. The USA isn't perfect, neither is Canada and neither is Finland (except for the pancakes).


Not to defend Natty (because I never like doing that), but people in this thread have indicated that racism is no longer a problem in the US. He disagrees with them.
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Re: Racism as perceived by ViperOverLord

Postby Symmetry on Fri Mar 30, 2012 2:30 pm

john9blue wrote:
natty dread wrote:Ok shut up, we aren't talking about Finland or Denmark or Uzbekistan right now. We're talking about USA.

If you want to discuss the racism problems of Canada, you can start a thread about it.


the only problem is that nobody will care because your country is irrelevant.

and then people like you will continue thinking that the USA is racist central.


I like that you didn't care enough to hit the shift key in your post except when spelling USA. That's a sure sign of a true patriot. Screw those foreign bastards. They don't deserve capital letters or, apparently, carefully thought out responses.
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Re: Racism as perceived by ViperOverLord

Postby thegreekdog on Fri Mar 30, 2012 2:31 pm

Symmetry wrote:
john9blue wrote:
natty dread wrote:Ok shut up, we aren't talking about Finland or Denmark or Uzbekistan right now. We're talking about USA.

If you want to discuss the racism problems of Canada, you can start a thread about it.


the only problem is that nobody will care because your country is irrelevant.

and then people like you will continue thinking that the USA is racist central.


I like that you didn't care enough to hit the shift key in your post except when spelling USA. That's a sure sign of a true patriot. Screw those foreign bastards. They don't deserve capital letters or, apparently, carefully thought out responses.


Are you doing this now because Saxi took down his quote where you spelled the word "too" wrong? Are you going to force Saxi to put that up again? Just wondering.
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Re: Racism as perceived by ViperOverLord

Postby natty dread on Fri Mar 30, 2012 2:34 pm

keiths31 wrote:
natty dread wrote:Ok shut up, we aren't talking about Finland or Denmark or Uzbekistan right now. We're talking about USA.

If you want to discuss the racism problems of Canada, you can start a thread about it.


I will not shut up. You are so smug in these forums and you enjoy bashing the USA to know end. The USA isn't perfect, neither is Canada and neither is Finland (except for the pancakes).


Oh I see, more tone trolling. I get this from people like you all the time - last was when I posted a thread about abuses of the catholic church and then I got butthurt catholics trying to divert the issue because "I'm just bashing the catholic church". No matter what the catholic church has done, if you call them out it simply can't be because you care about those issues, oh no, it must be because you hate catholics...

Same happens here - I point out atrocities in the USA, so of course the logical response is to ignore the atrocities and accuse me of "bashing USA"...

Or, maybe you'd like to explain to me how the racism in Finland, Canada or whatever country is an argument against racism being a problem in the USA?
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Re: Racism as perceived by ViperOverLord

Postby keiths31 on Fri Mar 30, 2012 2:34 pm

thegreekdog wrote:
keiths31 wrote:
natty dread wrote:Ok shut up, we aren't talking about Finland or Denmark or Uzbekistan right now. We're talking about USA.

If you want to discuss the racism problems of Canada, you can start a thread about it.


I will not shut up. You are so smug in these forums and you enjoy bashing the USA to know end. The USA isn't perfect, neither is Canada and neither is Finland (except for the pancakes).


Not to defend Natty (because I never like doing that), but people in this thread have indicated that racism is no longer a problem in the US. He disagrees with them.


Hmmm...I missed those posts. Well I disagree with them too then ;)
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Re: Racism as perceived by ViperOverLord

Postby keiths31 on Fri Mar 30, 2012 2:40 pm

natty dread wrote:
keiths31 wrote:
natty dread wrote:Ok shut up, we aren't talking about Finland or Denmark or Uzbekistan right now. We're talking about USA.

If you want to discuss the racism problems of Canada, you can start a thread about it.


I will not shut up. You are so smug in these forums and you enjoy bashing the USA to know end. The USA isn't perfect, neither is Canada and neither is Finland (except for the pancakes).


Oh I see, more tone trolling. I get this from people like you all the time - last was when I posted a thread about abuses of the catholic church and then I got butthurt catholics trying to divert the issue because "I'm just bashing the catholic church". No matter what the catholic church has done, if you call them out it simply can't be because you care about those issues, oh no, it must be because you hate catholics...

Same happens here - I point out atrocities in the USA, so of course the logical response is to ignore the atrocities and accuse me of "bashing USA"...

Or, maybe you'd like to explain to me how the racism in Finland, Canada or whatever country is an argument against racism being a problem in the USA?


I never ignored the "atrocities" in the USA. Nor have I ever said there isn't racism in the USA. Racism is everywhere was my point, but you seem to gain pleasure in pointing out the faults of the USA, all while your country is not any different.
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Re: Racism as perceived by ViperOverLord

Postby Symmetry on Fri Mar 30, 2012 2:41 pm

thegreekdog wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
john9blue wrote:
natty dread wrote:Ok shut up, we aren't talking about Finland or Denmark or Uzbekistan right now. We're talking about USA.

If you want to discuss the racism problems of Canada, you can start a thread about it.


the only problem is that nobody will care because your country is irrelevant.

and then people like you will continue thinking that the USA is racist central.


I like that you didn't care enough to hit the shift key in your post except when spelling USA. That's a sure sign of a true patriot. Screw those foreign bastards. They don't deserve capital letters or, apparently, carefully thought out responses.


Are you doing this now because Saxi took down his quote where you spelled the word "too" wrong? Are you going to force Saxi to put that up again? Just wondering.


I didn't even notice. I'll take that as a fair warning that I'm going overbored on the Spelling Nazi stuff. Saxi is welcome to put the quote back up for as long as he feels it to be interesting.
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Re: Racism as perceived by ViperOverLord

Postby thegreekdog on Fri Mar 30, 2012 2:44 pm

Symmetry wrote:
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Symmetry wrote:
john9blue wrote:
natty dread wrote:Ok shut up, we aren't talking about Finland or Denmark or Uzbekistan right now. We're talking about USA.

If you want to discuss the racism problems of Canada, you can start a thread about it.


the only problem is that nobody will care because your country is irrelevant.

and then people like you will continue thinking that the USA is racist central.


I like that you didn't care enough to hit the shift key in your post except when spelling USA. That's a sure sign of a true patriot. Screw those foreign bastards. They don't deserve capital letters or, apparently, carefully thought out responses.


Are you doing this now because Saxi took down his quote where you spelled the word "too" wrong? Are you going to force Saxi to put that up again? Just wondering.


I didn't even notice. I'll take that as a fair warning that I'm going overbored on the Spelling Nazi stuff. Saxi is welcome to put the quote back up for as long as he feels it to be interesting.


I'm going to hope this was intentional.
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Re: Racism as perceived by ViperOverLord

Postby john9blue on Fri Mar 30, 2012 2:48 pm

Symmetry wrote:
john9blue wrote:
natty dread wrote:Ok shut up, we aren't talking about Finland or Denmark or Uzbekistan right now. We're talking about USA.

If you want to discuss the racism problems of Canada, you can start a thread about it.


the only problem is that nobody will care because your country is irrelevant.

and then people like you will continue thinking that the USA is racist central.


I like that you didn't care enough to hit the shift key in your post except when spelling USA. That's a sure sign of a true patriot. Screw those foreign bastards. They don't deserve capital letters or, apparently, carefully thought out responses.


USA is an acronym. i capitalize most acronyms to prevent confusion. and i type in lowercase because it's faster.
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Re: Racism as perceived by ViperOverLord

Postby Symmetry on Fri Mar 30, 2012 2:54 pm

thegreekdog wrote:
Symmetry wrote:I didn't even notice. I'll take that as a fair warning that I'm going overbored on the Spelling Nazi stuff. Saxi is welcome to put the quote back up for as long as he feels it to be interesting.


I'm going to hope this was intentional.


I couldn't resist, sorry. I liked the pun.
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Re: Racism as perceived by ViperOverLord

Postby Symmetry on Fri Mar 30, 2012 2:56 pm

john9blue wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
john9blue wrote:
natty dread wrote:Ok shut up, we aren't talking about Finland or Denmark or Uzbekistan right now. We're talking about USA.

If you want to discuss the racism problems of Canada, you can start a thread about it.


the only problem is that nobody will care because your country is irrelevant.

and then people like you will continue thinking that the USA is racist central.


I like that you didn't care enough to hit the shift key in your post except when spelling USA. That's a sure sign of a true patriot. Screw those foreign bastards. They don't deserve capital letters or, apparently, carefully thought out responses.


USA is an acronym. i capitalize most acronyms to prevent confusion. and i type in lowercase because it's faster.


USA is not an acronym. Urgh, your posts are practically bait for my inner grammar Nazi.
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Re: Racism as perceived by ViperOverLord

Postby john9blue on Fri Mar 30, 2012 3:34 pm

Symmetry wrote:
USA is not an acronym. Urgh, your posts are practically bait for my inner grammar Nazi.


an acronym doesn't have to be a word or be pronounceable. even if it did, though, "usa" can be pronounced.

anything else?
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Re: Racism as perceived by ViperOverLord

Postby Symmetry on Fri Mar 30, 2012 3:41 pm

john9blue wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
USA is not an acronym. Urgh, your posts are practically bait for my inner grammar Nazi.


an acronym doesn't have to be a word or be pronounceable. even if it did, though, "usa" can be pronounced.

anything else?


I now also think you don't understand what the word "pronounceable" means. I have some doubts about your understanding of "word" to (this one goes out to Saxi).
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Re: Racism as perceived by ViperOverLord

Postby john9blue on Fri Mar 30, 2012 3:58 pm

Symmetry wrote:
john9blue wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
USA is not an acronym. Urgh, your posts are practically bait for my inner grammar Nazi.


an acronym doesn't have to be a word or be pronounceable. even if it did, though, "usa" can be pronounced.

anything else?


I now also think you don't understand what the word "pronounceable" means. I have some doubts about your understanding of "word" to (this one goes out to Saxi).


well, it depends on what the meaning of the word "is" is
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Re: Racism as perceived by ViperOverLord

Postby Symmetry on Fri Mar 30, 2012 4:03 pm

john9blue wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
john9blue wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
USA is not an acronym. Urgh, your posts are practically bait for my inner grammar Nazi.


an acronym doesn't have to be a word or be pronounceable. even if it did, though, "usa" can be pronounced.

anything else?


I now also think you don't understand what the word "pronounceable" means. I have some doubts about your understanding of "word" to (this one goes out to Saxi).


well, it depends on what the meaning of the word "is" is


Pretty sure there's a consensus on that one. I guess the only question left is- do you actually use USA as an acronym? Good job finding the shift key for the punctuation marks though, I appreciate that it must have slowed you down.
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Re: Racism as perceived by ViperOverLord

Postby john9blue on Fri Mar 30, 2012 4:09 pm

i do use it as an acronym.

wikipedia seems to back me up on this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acronym_an ... _each_type
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Re: Racism as perceived by ViperOverLord

Postby thegreekdog on Fri Mar 30, 2012 4:13 pm

This is unbelievably ridiculous. I really want to lock this thread (or maybe split the topic).
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Re: Racism as perceived by ViperOverLord

Postby Symmetry on Fri Mar 30, 2012 4:19 pm

thegreekdog wrote:This is unbelievably ridiculous. I really want to lock this thread (or maybe split the topic).


So that we can go back to a topic of how a poster perceives racism? Roughly when do you think this subject split from its intended title?
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