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Chariot of Fire wrote:As for GreecePwns.....yeah, what? A massive debt. Get a job you slacker.
Viceroy wrote:[The Biblical creation story] was written in a time when there was no way to confirm this fact and is in fact a statement of the facts.
Chariot of Fire wrote:As for GreecePwns.....yeah, what? A massive debt. Get a job you slacker.
Viceroy wrote:[The Biblical creation story] was written in a time when there was no way to confirm this fact and is in fact a statement of the facts.
GreecePwns wrote:Whether or not Greece is spending a lot, we would have had surpluses. If my government were to spend 2 euros and take in 2.5, they'd run a surplus too.
Systematic tax evasion is like money found on the floor. If people can evade 40 percent of their taxes knowing they will not get audited or punished in any way, whether they are at 42 percent of their income or 24 percent, they will evade them. Saying otherwise is indeed naive and ignores the basis of economic incentives.
This has nothing to do with Greece's level of spending, because no government budgets for a surplus of 10% of GDP to account for rampant tax evasion.
Okay.Phatscotty wrote:GreecePwns wrote:Whether or not Greece is spending a lot, we would have had surpluses. If my government were to spend 2 euros and take in 2.5, they'd run a surplus too.
Systematic tax evasion is like money found on the floor. If people can evade 40 percent of their taxes knowing they will not get audited or punished in any way, whether they are at 42 percent of their income or 24 percent, they will evade them. Saying otherwise is indeed naive and ignores the basis of economic incentives.
This has nothing to do with Greece's level of spending, because no government budgets for a surplus of 10% of GDP to account for rampant tax evasion.
I just want to put it like this. Cut spending, and the demand for "more revenues" will not exist. You can't spend more than you have, it only seems like you can for a little while. I'm sure it was fun, but now Greece has to pay the piper.
Sorry, but Greece is getting what they deserve, and I'm sure America is going to get what it deserves in an extremely similar fashion. The only way out of this was for Greece to cut spending/the need for more revenues a few years ago, and that didn't happen.
This is the #1 reason why I am and have been so fucking hardcore about cutting America's spending 3-5 years before we get in over our heads. That's why it's Ron Paul, now or never.
We need to cut 1 trillion dollars out of our budget NEXT YEAR! If you think that's bad, it will be far worse if we wait until we can't do anything about it, and have OTHER countries tell us what to do and how to live. Whoever owns our debt will be the one making the rules, and we can kiss freedom or anything remotely close to it goodbye.
USA has already been downgraded once....we are about to be downgraded again. There are no second chances, and bailouts just prolong reality a little bit longer and make the debt even bigger.
It's now or never.
Chariot of Fire wrote:As for GreecePwns.....yeah, what? A massive debt. Get a job you slacker.
Viceroy wrote:[The Biblical creation story] was written in a time when there was no way to confirm this fact and is in fact a statement of the facts.
GreecePwns wrote:Okay.Phatscotty wrote:GreecePwns wrote:Whether or not Greece is spending a lot, we would have had surpluses. If my government were to spend 2 euros and take in 2.5, they'd run a surplus too.
Systematic tax evasion is like money found on the floor. If people can evade 40 percent of their taxes knowing they will not get audited or punished in any way, whether they are at 42 percent of their income or 24 percent, they will evade them. Saying otherwise is indeed naive and ignores the basis of economic incentives.
This has nothing to do with Greece's level of spending, because no government budgets for a surplus of 10% of GDP to account for rampant tax evasion.
I just want to put it like this. Cut spending, and the demand for "more revenues" will not exist. You can't spend more than you have, it only seems like you can for a little while. I'm sure it was fun, but now Greece has to pay the piper.
Sorry, but Greece is getting what they deserve, and I'm sure America is going to get what it deserves in an extremely similar fashion. The only way out of this was for Greece to cut spending/the need for more revenues a few years ago, and that didn't happen.
This is the #1 reason why I am and have been so fucking hardcore about cutting America's spending 3-5 years before we get in over our heads. That's why it's Ron Paul, now or never.
We need to cut 1 trillion dollars out of our budget NEXT YEAR! If you think that's bad, it will be far worse if we wait until we can't do anything about it, and have OTHER countries tell us what to do and how to live. Whoever owns our debt will be the one making the rules, and we can kiss freedom or anything remotely close to it goodbye.
USA has already been downgraded once....we are about to be downgraded again. There are no second chances, and bailouts just prolong reality a little bit longer and make the debt even bigger.
It's now or never.
Chariot of Fire wrote:As for GreecePwns.....yeah, what? A massive debt. Get a job you slacker.
Viceroy wrote:[The Biblical creation story] was written in a time when there was no way to confirm this fact and is in fact a statement of the facts.
Chariot of Fire wrote:As for GreecePwns.....yeah, what? A massive debt. Get a job you slacker.
Viceroy wrote:[The Biblical creation story] was written in a time when there was no way to confirm this fact and is in fact a statement of the facts.
GreecePwns wrote:"Only Aryans in blood and Greeks in descent can be candidate members of Golden Dawn".
Chariot of Fire wrote:As for GreecePwns.....yeah, what? A massive debt. Get a job you slacker.
Viceroy wrote:[The Biblical creation story] was written in a time when there was no way to confirm this fact and is in fact a statement of the facts.
BigBallinStalin wrote:Isn't this a good thing? Having 12 parties? At least the government can't make any decisions. If the legal systems are robust enough, enable common law and let Greeks sort it out themselves.
Chariot of Fire wrote:As for GreecePwns.....yeah, what? A massive debt. Get a job you slacker.
Viceroy wrote:[The Biblical creation story] was written in a time when there was no way to confirm this fact and is in fact a statement of the facts.
Summer is on its way in Europe and the Politicians are nervous, and rightly so, they brought this whole shambolic state of affairs to where it is today. The people are getting very restless and summertime, with warm nights and long days, is perfect for aggressive uprisings.
BigBallinStalin wrote:Summer is on its way in Europe and the Politicians are nervous, and rightly so, they brought this whole shambolic state of affairs to where it is today. The people are getting very restless and summertime, with warm nights and long days, is perfect for aggressive uprisings.
Good. Maybe they will hold their politicians accountable. After the revolution, they can reinstall another national government, whose politicians will play the same game as before, while the people respond likewise.
Chariot of Fire wrote:As for GreecePwns.....yeah, what? A massive debt. Get a job you slacker.
Viceroy wrote:[The Biblical creation story] was written in a time when there was no way to confirm this fact and is in fact a statement of the facts.
BigBallinStalin wrote:We see this happen in the real world. You have too much discretion in the hands of central bankers, the politicians, and, of course, their friends in high places.
The bailout was for "stabilizing" the Euro, but I'd think at least you and me knew that this wasn't going to end well (and we're right). Is it mostly from corrupt central planners, or are they just that incompetent?
Do you think most people are just oblivious to this? When people hear the words "market failure", they feel justified that their governments are "doing something" to (haha) "correct" it.
What a sad, ignorant, incompetent aspect of humanity.
Athens News wrote:The main points in this, as presented by Tsipras, were the reversal of the memorandum and the loan agreements, a suspension of payments for as long as was necessary for the recovery of the economy and then a selective default and the payment of a portion of Greece's debt with conditions and terms to promote growth.
Other key points were a redistribution of wealth accompanied by social and economic justice, real growth with respect for the environment that was beneficial for society and the economic and productive restructuring of the country.
In addition mention was made of a social protection 'shield', the defence of public goods, a multidimensional, independent foreign policy with active policies for peace, friendship and cooperation as well as a departure from NATO and the removal of NATO bases from Greece.
Tsipras underlined that the crisis now being experienced by Greece was the result of the political choices of the forces ruling the country for decades, that were now "forming partnerships in order to finish the job off" and had signed an agreement to "sell off and socially dismantle" Greece.
He accused foreign and especially European Union officials of attacking Syriza and interfering with the election process in Greece, fearing that the two-party system was under threat, and he dismissed a recent focus on unregistered migration issues as an attempt by the mainstream parties to create a diversion in the run-up to elections.
Asked about the possibility of cooperation after the elections with the Fotis Kouvelis' Democratic Left or former Pasok minister Louka Katseli's Social Pact parties, Tsipras said that Syriza "proposed policy convergences" but that did not look at things from the same angle as the Democratic Left or Social Pact.
Chariot of Fire wrote:As for GreecePwns.....yeah, what? A massive debt. Get a job you slacker.
Viceroy wrote:[The Biblical creation story] was written in a time when there was no way to confirm this fact and is in fact a statement of the facts.
Chariot of Fire wrote:As for GreecePwns.....yeah, what? A massive debt. Get a job you slacker.
Viceroy wrote:[The Biblical creation story] was written in a time when there was no way to confirm this fact and is in fact a statement of the facts.
GreecePwns wrote:The newest opinion poll by VPRC has support for the two major parties down to a new-record 35 percent. LAOS may be going from part of government to out of parliament altogether. Panos Kammenos' Independent Greeks is surging, taking away votes from the rightmost wing of New Democracy and LAOS with its stringent defense of national sovereignty, even bringing up the "Germany owes us war reparations" position, and calling for the removal of immunity for parliament (which should be a position of all parties, honestly). The change in leadership for PASOK proved to be of little help, with their improvement in the polls falling within the margin of error. The Greens are also looking at a place outside of parliament for the first time in months. More about the party here.
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