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Re: HP: fight for freedom. Day 4. A calm night. (14/18)

Postby Nebuchadnezer on Mon Apr 16, 2012 9:24 am

dazza2008 wrote:
thehippo8 wrote:After thinking this one through, I'm inclined to accfept that IB is third party - it fits with the way he has posted. I didn't get "town" feeling from him but a third party vigilante makes sense. Dazza's response to IB's challenge was too dismissive in my book. I agree with the pressure idea, so unvote vote dazza



What do you mean too dismissive?

I am suspicious of him, have been for a while by the way he has played. Chap got a guilty on him. Now he comes out saying I am guilty which is not true.

It really seems he has been caught out and trying to drag me down to give himself another night.

Vote IB


Nice try. If you read chaps result, it was not a guilty/deatheater verdict. It was non wizard or something like that. Iron is non wizard. Iron did get a guilty/death eater verdict on you.
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Re: HP: fight for freedom. Day 4. A calm night. (14/18)

Postby dazza2008 on Mon Apr 16, 2012 9:29 am

Nebuchadnezer wrote:
dazza2008 wrote:
thehippo8 wrote:After thinking this one through, I'm inclined to accfept that IB is third party - it fits with the way he has posted. I didn't get "town" feeling from him but a third party vigilante makes sense. Dazza's response to IB's challenge was too dismissive in my book. I agree with the pressure idea, so unvote vote dazza



What do you mean too dismissive?

I am suspicious of him, have been for a while by the way he has played. Chap got a guilty on him. Now he comes out saying I am guilty which is not true.

It really seems he has been caught out and trying to drag me down to give himself another night.

Vote IB


Nice try. If you read chaps result, it was not a guilty/deatheater verdict. It was non wizard or something like that. Iron is non wizard. Iron did get a guilty/death eater verdict on you.


Wizard = town in this game so no wizard is scum in my opinion.

IB saying I am anything but town makes me suspicious as I am a wizard(town).

He claimed wizard so investigations would come up wizard.
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Re: HP: fight for freedom. Day 4. A calm night. (14/18)

Postby Nebuchadnezer on Mon Apr 16, 2012 12:35 pm

dazza2008 wrote:
Nebuchadnezer wrote:
dazza2008 wrote:
thehippo8 wrote:After thinking this one through, I'm inclined to accfept that IB is third party - it fits with the way he has posted. I didn't get "town" feeling from him but a third party vigilante makes sense. Dazza's response to IB's challenge was too dismissive in my book. I agree with the pressure idea, so unvote vote dazza



What do you mean too dismissive?

I am suspicious of him, have been for a while by the way he has played. Chap got a guilty on him. Now he comes out saying I am guilty which is not true.

It really seems he has been caught out and trying to drag me down to give himself another night.

Vote IB


Nice try. If you read chaps result, it was not a guilty/deatheater verdict. It was non wizard or something like that. Iron is non wizard. Iron did get a guilty/death eater verdict on you.


Wizard = town in this game so no wizard is scum in my opinion.

IB saying I am anything but town makes me suspicious as I am a wizard(town).

He claimed wizard so investigations would come up wizard.


Nice try again...see below...

freezie wrote:
Meanwhile, Severus was pondering his day, so sure he saw Harry's dad. But he's supposely dead...He nearly had fallen back At Voldemort's command until he saw another wizard, who ressembled Lily so much, he had no choice but to engage battle with who he thought to be James.

However, he knows both of them are dead. He knows he will never get Lily back, even if she was alive.



SpartacusV2 ( Severus Snape (Wizard Hunter) Has commited suicide ( Lynched, but whatever )


Night 3 has starten. 72 hours to commit to your night actions


Please note that Snape was...(Wizard Hunter)...clearly NOT town. Any other meta-arguments you are going to try to make to weasel out of this?
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Re: HP: fight for freedom. Day 4. A calm night. (14/18)

Postby Nebuchadnezer on Mon Apr 16, 2012 12:43 pm

Iron Butterfly wrote:
You are Professor Firenze ( Centaur Vigilante )

You are a Centaur, who is part of the Forbidden Forest Centaur Colony, and a professor of divination at Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry. You were hired by Albus Dumbledor to replace Sybil Trelawny after she was forced out by Dolores Umbridge. You have faced down the evil that now confronts Hogwarts before and will fight till till your dieing breath to prevent a Deatheater victory.



Also, note, Dazza, that Iron never did claim WIZARD. He clearly claims Centaur Vigilante. And while that may be a third party role, based on the description, I couldn't care less if it is. He's finding deatheaters...that's good.
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Re: HP: fight for freedom. Day 4. A calm night. (14/18)

Postby dazza2008 on Mon Apr 16, 2012 1:15 pm

Fair enough. He is not finding deatheaters though.
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Re: HP: fight for freedom. Day 4. A calm night. (14/18)

Postby chapcrap on Mon Apr 16, 2012 3:05 pm

spiesr wrote:
chapcrap wrote:Prove what? My speculation, no. That I still have a tracking ability, yes.
That reminds me, did you ever clarify what abilities you have as a sort of JOAT?

No.

I'm not sure if I believe IB or not. However, we can not get much more information out of him at this point I think. The vigilante part of his role doesn't seem that useful as a town role, unless he can correctly guess the scum's name. However, the investigative part of his role is nice, but he can't do both things at once. If he is to stay around, he should only investigate and not try to vigilante people, IMO.
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Re: HP: fight for freedom. Day 4. A calm night. (14/18)

Postby pancakemix on Mon Apr 16, 2012 3:34 pm

In regard to IB's claim, dazza is allowed the same rights to claim as IB was.
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Re: HP: fight for freedom. Day 4. A calm night. (14/18)

Postby spiesr on Mon Apr 16, 2012 4:46 pm

chapcrap wrote:I'm not sure if I believe IB or not. However, we can not get much more information out of him at this point I think. The vigilante part of his role doesn't seem that useful as a town role, unless he can correctly guess the scum's name. However, the investigative part of his role is nice, but he can't do both things at once. If he is to stay around, he should only investigate and not try to vigilante people, IMO.
My interpretation of what he said is that he claimed that the investigations were of limited nature. Specifically he was only allotted two.
Iron Butterfly wrote:I have also been given the ability to investigate two players. I investigated Dazza and he came back positive. I investigated Chap and could not get a read one way or the other, which puzzles me. I do not know if I was blocked as there are a variety of possibilties.
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Re: HP: fight for freedom. Day 4. A calm night. (14/18)

Postby chapcrap on Mon Apr 16, 2012 5:07 pm

spiesr wrote:
chapcrap wrote:I'm not sure if I believe IB or not. However, we can not get much more information out of him at this point I think. The vigilante part of his role doesn't seem that useful as a town role, unless he can correctly guess the scum's name. However, the investigative part of his role is nice, but he can't do both things at once. If he is to stay around, he should only investigate and not try to vigilante people, IMO.
My interpretation of what he said is that he claimed that the investigations were of limited nature. Specifically he was only allotted two.
Iron Butterfly wrote:I have also been given the ability to investigate two players. I investigated Dazza and he came back positive. I investigated Chap and could not get a read one way or the other, which puzzles me. I do not know if I was blocked as there are a variety of possibilties.

I see. You are correct. I had missed that it was only 2 players. So, his investigations are used up. So, now he's basically almost a vigilante... Except I guess he would be able to confirm that certain players are NOT specific people if they don't get vig'ed. Like, confirming that dazza isn't Voldemort.

That's not really that useful for the most part, because we don't know all of the scum roles. So, it's almost like a VT really.
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Re: HP: fight for freedom. Day 4. A calm night. (14/18)

Postby freezie on Mon Apr 16, 2012 10:17 pm

Vote count:

Iron Butterfly(3): Everywhere, Djfireside, Dazza

Dazza(3): Nebuchadnezer, Iron butterfly, Hippo.
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Re: HP: fight for freedom. Day 4. A calm night. (14/18)

Postby everywhere116 on Mon Apr 16, 2012 10:30 pm

Talos dammit, not again....
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Re: HP: fight for freedom. Day 4. A calm night. (14/18)

Postby strike wolf on Mon Apr 16, 2012 11:31 pm

So going off of what was said about IB's post not fitting the format of the copy-paste claims so far I went back to quote them for reference
SPARTACUS1974 wrote:ok im off to work and dont want to be lynched so here goes


You are Nymphadora Tonks ( Wizard Commuter )

Wife of the werewolf Remus Lupin, you were born with the ability to change your apearance
at will. You are the cousin of the annoying kid Drago Malfoy, and nephew of Bellatrix Lestrange.
However, you entered the Aurors department and will not hold back on your aunt or any
other deatheaters.
the green part of my pm


SPARTACUS1974 wrote:You are Severus Snape ( Wizard Hunter )

You always had a fond for dark magic, soon recruited to the deatheaters in your youth,but you came to realize the true side you needed to be on when you joined Albus who had no respect for such magic.
So now you follow Albus' wishes and fight against the dark lord and his deatheaters.
green part.


mc05025 wrote:
You are James Potter ( Wizard Doublevoter )

Father of the most popular Harry Potter, you died to the hands of Voldemort after your friend
Peter betrayed you and Lily. Shadowy events brought you back to the living world, somehow,
and right in the middle of the fight against your very own killer. This time, however, you are
prepared...



Iron Butterfly wrote:You are Professor Firenze ( Centaur Vigilante )

You are a Centaur, who is part of the Forbidden Forest Centaur Colony, and a professor of divination at Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry. You were hired by Albus Dumbledor to replace Sybil Trelawny after she was forced out by Dolores Umbridge. You have faced down the evil that now confronts Hogwarts before and will fight till till your dieing breath to prevent a Deatheater victory.


There does appear to be differences in how IB's came out compared to the rest.
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Re: HP: fight for freedom. Day 4. A calm night. (14/18)

Postby TA1LGUNN3R on Tue Apr 17, 2012 3:10 am

So I went over dazza's posts to give IB's claim a chance. I didn't get a great read on him. He seemed most interested in the Spartacus mkII role confusion (which is probably why IB investigated him I'm guessing).

Given that chap's investigation determines wizardhood and IB's posts and claim, I'm inclined to believe IB at this point. I'd probably be willing to try a dazza lynch. I'll have to mull it over some more.

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Re: HP: fight for freedom. Day 4. A calm night. (14/18)

Postby Djfireside on Tue Apr 17, 2012 6:31 am

Sorry i was out of town and internet sucked. Just to catch up and not sure What has transpired I will unvote and re setup

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Re: HP: fight for freedom. Day 4. A calm night. (14/18)

Postby Nebuchadnezer on Tue Apr 17, 2012 6:46 am

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:So I went over dazza's posts to give IB's claim a chance. I didn't get a great read on him. He seemed most interested in the Spartacus mkII role confusion (which is probably why IB investigated him I'm guessing).

Given that chap's investigation determines wizardhood and IB's posts and claim, I'm inclined to believe IB at this point. I'd probably be willing to try a dazza lynch. I'll have to mull it over some more.

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Tails, care to comment where/why you disappeared yesterday?
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Re: HP: fight for freedom. Day 4. A calm night. (14/18)

Postby Iron Butterfly on Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:24 am

strike wolf wrote:So Chap's investigation results in not a wizard. With muggles, centaurs and a few other possible creatures that not really damning evidence of scum. IB claims a role that fits in with Chap's investigation result without knowing the exact wording. The counter argument is about the right format (have to look more into that). IB claims that he got a guilty result on Dazza. On Night 1. IB did admit to concern about Dazza on day one. He calls out Dazza twice on Day 2 about the "plan" comment but he doesn't make a full case and it only comes back up today while he's under pressure. Can I ask you why you didn't try to make a full case on Dazza or vote for Dazza day 2?


I could have tried to make a full case but who would have believed me without me claiming? I tried to bring attention without giving away that I knew. Its the same reason a cop wouldn't make a case on day two if he discovered mafia. We had enough drama going on with Sparticas as well. Voting for Dazza without making a case would have been silly. Another reason is that my role could only get stronger the deeper I got into the game.

Some claim I am no better then a VT now. Not true. I am a VT that can kill a Deatheater. While I may not be able to kill like a vig I would think there would be some concern that I could get lucky. If I would have been able to make it closer to endgame without having to claim, my odds of targeting would have been greatly improved.

I am looking for Voldemort. Someone did something right last night as no one was killed. I believe there are others out there who know or have a clue where the Deatheaters are hiding. Sooo...call me a VT if you wish but all it takes is one shot on my part if I guess correctly.
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Re: HP: fight for freedom. Day 4. A calm night. (14/18)

Postby TA1LGUNN3R on Tue Apr 17, 2012 2:19 pm

Nebuchadnezer wrote:
TA1LGUNN3R wrote:So I went over dazza's posts to give IB's claim a chance. I didn't get a great read on him. He seemed most interested in the Spartacus mkII role confusion (which is probably why IB investigated him I'm guessing).

Given that chap's investigation determines wizardhood and IB's posts and claim, I'm inclined to believe IB at this point. I'd probably be willing to try a dazza lynch. I'll have to mull it over some more.

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Tails, care to comment where/why you disappeared yesterday?


rl stuff. It wasn't just this game, either.

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Re: HP: fight for freedom. Day 4. A calm night. (14/18)

Postby mc05025 on Tue Apr 17, 2012 4:59 pm

Iron Butterfly wrote:
Night three I tried to see if Dazza was Voldamort. Dazza is still alive.



I do not understand that. What did you do and what was the result?

In addition if you knew Dazza was a scum it would be natural not to agree with him. Lets accept that you did not want to make a case against him. I think it would have been logical at least not to agree with him. At my case the previous day both you and Dazza wanted to kill me. After Dazza wanted to kill me (and I was very close to die) why did you continue to try to kill me? Didn't you think that if a deatheater wanted to kill me I was might innocent?
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Re: HP: fight for freedom. Day 4. A calm night. (14/18)

Postby Nebuchadnezer on Tue Apr 17, 2012 6:55 pm

mc05025 wrote:
Iron Butterfly wrote:
Night three I tried to see if Dazza was Voldamort. Dazza is still alive.



I do not understand that. What did you do and what was the result?

In addition if you knew Dazza was a scum it would be natural not to agree with him. Lets accept that you did not want to make a case against him. I think it would have been logical at least not to agree with him. At my case the previous day both you and Dazza wanted to kill me. After Dazza wanted to kill me (and I was very close to die) why did you continue to try to kill me? Didn't you think that if a deatheater wanted to kill me I was might innocent?


Excellent point! And good find...
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Re: HP: fight for freedom. Day 4. A calm night. (14/18)

Postby Iron Butterfly on Tue Apr 17, 2012 7:54 pm

mc05025 wrote:
Iron Butterfly wrote:
Night three I tried to see if Dazza was Voldamort. Dazza is still alive.



I do not understand that. What did you do and what was the result?

In addition if you knew Dazza was a scum it would be natural not to agree with him. Lets accept that you did not want to make a case against him. I think it would have been logical at least not to agree with him. At my case the previous day both you and Dazza wanted to kill me. After Dazza wanted to kill me (and I was very close to die) why did you continue to try to kill me? Didn't you think that if a deatheater wanted to kill me I was might innocent?


First I beleived Snapes role fit hand in hand with mine. When he, Snapes, stated what he could do I didn't beleive it was a con job. I was like "Thank You Freezie" I beleived you were mafia and you still havnt been cleared one way or the other as far as I am comcerned. Part of this game is psychological. There was no reason not to beleive that you were being thrown under the bus by Dazza/Deatheater In fact it is a pretty standard tactic mafia wise.

In fact the one game I have been Mafia, Dazza was on my team (Oh more irony). Dazza was called out to claim for somthing stupid but he was at L2. I voted for him and did everything to make it seem that I thought he was scummy. I wanted as much distance between him and my own mafia role as possible.

So to answer your question... Sparticas (Snapes) uses his night action and you were revealed to be a Deatheater Were Wolf. I beleived it. I also beleived Mafia needed to cut their losses. Granted this is WIFOM but in my eyes because Dazza voted to lynch reinforced in my mind that you were really mafia. It may not make sense but that was my thinking.

The thing about mafia games is that we form our own reality based on how we perceive others. Take Chap for instance. He beleived I was a Deatheater because he tried to kill me and Safari dies instead. Through his eyes I had to have been busdriven with Safari because Safari died and not me. That was his reality. He didnt take into account other possible scenarios.

Finally when I targeted Dazza and predicted he was Voldemort nothing came back to me. He is still alive so I assume he is not Voldemort.
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Re: HP: fight for freedom. Day 4. A calm night. (14/18)

Postby everywhere116 on Tue Apr 17, 2012 9:51 pm

I would like to correct one thing in your post: You have been scum at least twice.
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Re: HP: fight for freedom. Day 4. A calm night. (14/18)

Postby everywhere116 on Tue Apr 17, 2012 9:51 pm

Every single time I want to make a comment to the post above mine, it jumps to another page. Sheesh...
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Re: HP: fight for freedom. Day 4. A calm night. (14/18)

Postby chapcrap on Tue Apr 17, 2012 10:13 pm

Iron Butterfly wrote:The thing about mafia games is that we form our own reality based on how we perceive others. Take Chap for instance. He beleived I was a Deatheater because he tried to kill me and Safari dies instead. Through his eyes I had to have been busdriven with Safari because Safari died and not me. That was his reality. He didnt take into account other possible scenarios.

Thanks for bringing this back up. How do you explain what happened if you weren't busdriven with saf? You say I am wrong, but give no other explanation.

AND

You're are wrong about me not taking into account other possible scenarios. I did take into account other scenarios. Mine just seemed the most plausible and right now, it still does.
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Re: HP: fight for freedom. Day 4. A calm night. (14/18)

Postby Nebuchadnezer on Tue Apr 17, 2012 10:25 pm

chapcrap wrote:
Iron Butterfly wrote:The thing about mafia games is that we form our own reality based on how we perceive others. Take Chap for instance. He beleived I was a Deatheater because he tried to kill me and Safari dies instead. Through his eyes I had to have been busdriven with Safari because Safari died and not me. That was his reality. He didnt take into account other possible scenarios.

Thanks for bringing this back up. How do you explain what happened if you weren't busdriven with saf? You say I am wrong, but give no other explanation.

AND

You're are wrong about me not taking into account other possible scenarios. I did take into account other scenarios. Mine just seemed the most plausible and right now, it still does.


Are you serious? Yours is the most plausible?

So, you believe that mafia knew there was a JOAT. They knew this JOAT would use his killing ability last night. They knew the JOAT would target Iron. Mafia also happens to have a busdriver...who switched Saf and Iron. All of that is more plausible than:

1. Saf protected Iron, and you shot Saf.
2. The doc protected Iron, nullifying your kill, and
a. Mafia targeted saf, or
b. Mafia targeted anyone else and saf protected them.
3. You got roleblocked, and a. or b. above.

Those are just off the top of my head, and I'm pretty new here. Yet somehow you believe that the ONLY plausible option is that Iron is mafia and was busdriven by his fellow mafia with Safariguy.

I don't know what to say...I guess you create your own reality...
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Re: HP: fight for freedom. Day 4. A calm night. (14/18)

Postby Nebuchadnezer on Tue Apr 17, 2012 10:27 pm

And where the hell is everyone else? There are two solid cases going here (well, I'm of the opinion that there is only one good case). Why isn't there more conversation? Why isn't anyone applying pressure? This doesn't make any sense to me...
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