HP: fight for freedom. Game over. Wizards won.

[strike wolf]

I'm satisfied with Iron's responses. I actually think he might be Third party and trying to cover it up but I'm not convinced he is scum. I guess I will vote dazza

[alt1978]

I am following along...the possible scenarios for how safari died are a bit mind boggling...but so are the circumstances with how Jonty (Harry Potter) died. I find it hard to believe that there isn't some bus-driving going on if harry ended up dead, and safari turned up town. I'm not saying Neb's scenario's are wrong for what took place...but if there was bus-driving going on night one (if i am wrong in reading that someone please correct me!) it stands to reason in my mind that that is how safari died night two...or at least the bus-driver has to be on the table (mafia bus-driver feels likely to me).

I am not posting much because I still haven't deciphered what in the hell I actually even believe to have happened. I would like to take one more look at it when I have some time...but would love to hear other thoughts on bus-driving.

[chapcrap]

The thing about mafia games is that we form our own reality based on how we perceive others. Take Chap for instance. He beleived I was a Deatheater because he tried to kill me and Safari dies instead. Through his eyes I had to have been busdriven with Safari because Safari died and not me. That was his reality. He didnt take into account other possible scenarios.

Thanks for bringing this back up. How do you explain what happened if you weren't busdriven with saf? You say I am wrong, but give no other explanation.

AND

You're are wrong about me not taking into account other possible scenarios. I did take into account other scenarios. Mine just seemed the most plausible and right now, it still does.

Are you serious? Yours is the most plausible?

So, you believe that mafia knew there was a JOAT. They knew this JOAT would use his killing ability last night. They knew the JOAT would target Iron. Mafia also happens to have a busdriver...who switched Saf and Iron.

No, that's stupid.

I believe that mafia wanted to try to frame and protect. That's why you use a busdrive when you're mafia. You busdrive a mafia with someone who looks scummy to everyone else, so that if he gets investigated, you get a guilty result. Or you busdrive to nullify someones role (which is how they could have killed Harry on night 1). What you said was ridiculous. I never said that.

[thehippo8]

I'm also following along. I've already voted dazza. None of the intervening posts have seemed to require any comment from me, as such. Or, to put it more bluntly, it's a choice between whether you believe IB or not. I was very anti-IB until he convinced me otherwise. The case on dazza seems the only reasonable one at this stage. Lots of interesting comments in between though which we can review on another day in the context in which they will becoome helpful. Not sure if that post helps anyone, but I agree that there's an awful lot of fence sitting going on.

Vote count please mod.

Fastposted by chap

[dazza2008]

I don't really know what to say here. It seems my only defence will be to claim. I am not sure how I came up Deatheater.

I know nothing of Harry Potter but looked up my character and he was at one time under the imperius curse so it could be because of that or me being framed in some way.

I will claim if you guys want me to.

[mc05025]

Maybe just say your name and if we are not satisfied you will need to make a full claim

[Djfireside]

The thing about mafia games is that we form our own reality based on how we perceive others. Take Chap for instance. He beleived I was a Deatheater because he tried to kill me and Safari dies instead. Through his eyes I had to have been busdriven with Safari because Safari died and not me. That was his reality. He didnt take into account other possible scenarios.

Thanks for bringing this back up. How do you explain what happened if you weren't busdriven with saf? You say I am wrong, but give no other explanation.

AND

You're are wrong about me not taking into account other possible scenarios. I did take into account other scenarios. Mine just seemed the most plausible and right now, it still does.

Are you serious? Yours is the most plausible?

So, you believe that mafia knew there was a JOAT. They knew this JOAT would use his killing ability last night. They knew the JOAT would target Iron. Mafia also happens to have a busdriver...who switched Saf and Iron.

No, that's stupid.

I believe that mafia wanted to try to frame and protect. That's why you use a busdrive when you're mafia. You busdrive a mafia with someone who looks scummy to everyone else, so that if he gets investigated, you get a guilty result. Or you busdrive to nullify someones role (which is how they could have killed Harry on night 1). What you said was ridiculous. I never said that.

As for Safari, He died using his role as bodyguard so whoever it was he was protecting died. Whether you are going to WIFOM it that who he was protecting got switched and he died for them would be down a long path of nowhere.

Fillius was pretty proud of nis new barrier, which holded all known deatheaters aside. However, the wizards knew they had spies among them, but they also knew they couldn't act directly, as it would immediatly break their cover. So the night went on peacefully, aside the constant attacks on the barrier, of course..

Dawn broke early, or so it seemed for those who constatly fought off the enemy. But it wasn't the only thing who broke early; A breach had been open, and at least one deatheater broke into it. However, nobody were prepared, and only a single wizard was around to stop the hooded devil, and soon a fight broke off.

After what seemed an hour, another wizard saw flashes of red and green light, and rushed to see the poor wizard down to his knees, the deatheater victorious in his fight. The elder wizard shouted an alarm, and rushed to the wizard shouting:

You shall not get another wizard!

Sadly, it seemed he did.

Safariguy5--Molly weasley ( Wizard Bodyguard ) Has been killed

Day 3 starts. 14 days before deadline.

I take it say that Safari died protecting IB if everyone involved is telling the truth. This doesnt mean much as he could have just been protecting him on hunch or something else as dead people dont talk and we dont know why he would have targetted him. Since it all plays out nicely I will take it that it is truthful.

As for Dazza, Your previous statement about the curse has me intrigued and I agree with the rest, maybe not a full on role push but at least a name

[dazza2008]

I am Stanley Shunpike.

[Nebuchadnezer]

I am Stanley Shunpike.

So there is a bus driver...the question now is...are you good or bad? I'd hate to lynch a town bus, but you come up scum. Sure the cruciatus curse could explain that away...argh! How the hell are we getting all these accusations that seem to come up false?
Do we test them? Is this a Dazza or Iron type of decision?

Or it's Dazza under the curse and thus controlled by the death eaters rendering him useless?

Perhaps we can have Iron use his ability tonight and name stan/Dazza as his target?

I'm confused on which way to go now.

[mc05025]

LoL. If he is saying the truth his character is the most complected. We can not know if he is with the good guys, the bad guys or he is a 3rd party

[thehippo8]

Hmmm .. this from the HP wiki ...

Stanley "Stan" Shunpike (born c. 1975[1]) was a wizard and was the conductor and helper of the Knight Bus. In 1996, he was arrested and sent to Azkaban for being a Death Eater when he was overheard claiming to have inside information about the organisation, although in all likelihood, he was only fooling around. In 1997, he broke free from prison and joined the Death Eaters under the Imperius Curse. His fate after the war is unknown; he most likely awoke from the Curse following Lord Voldemort's ultimate defeat, like all the other Imperiused victims[2], and returned to his job.

[Iron Butterfly]

The thing about mafia games is that we form our own reality based on how we perceive others. Take Chap for instance. He beleived I was a Deatheater because he tried to kill me and Safari dies instead. Through his eyes I had to have been busdriven with Safari because Safari died and not me. That was his reality. He didnt take into account other possible scenarios.

Thanks for bringing this back up. How do you explain what happened if you weren't busdriven with saf? You say I am wrong, but give no other explanation.

AND

You're are wrong about me not taking into account other possible scenarios. I did take into account other scenarios. Mine just seemed the most plausible and right now, it still does.

Are you serious? Yours is the most plausible?

So, you believe that mafia knew there was a JOAT. They knew this JOAT would use his killing ability last night. They knew the JOAT would target Iron. Mafia also happens to have a busdriver...who switched Saf and Iron.

No, that's stupid.

I believe that mafia wanted to try to frame and protect. That's why you use a busdrive when you're mafia. You busdrive a mafia with someone who looks scummy to everyone else, so that if he gets investigated, you get a guilty result. Or you busdrive to nullify someones role (which is how they could have killed Harry on night 1). What you said was ridiculous. I never said that.

Chap while you are entitled to your opinion on how Safari died and why I lived, you have absolutly no proof that your theory is correct. You may beleive mafia wanted to frame and protect but you have no proof that that was their plan. your own investigation proves otherwise. I did not come up as a deatheater in your investigation. Why and how would mafia do this if the desired result was to frame?

[Djfireside]

LoL. If he is saying the truth his character is the most complected. We can not know if he is with the good guys, the bad guys or he is a 3rd party

I did note that he could be the busdriver but in fact his charecter was not the bus driver but he was the steward theorectically. I guess we may need to have a full on claim cause we could guess to it but may actually need to know more on this

[Iron Butterfly]

I am Stanley Shunpike.

What is your NA?

Here is why I beleive you are lieing. You investigated as a deatheater. You need to produce a claim that explains why you turned up as a deatheater.

After reading the information that Hippo produced on your role....It is fairly easy to find I night add, why would you say, "I do not know why I turned up Deatheater."???

We are in a major battle and Vlodemort has not been defeated. It would stand to reason that you are still a deatheater.

The question is what is your overall function in regards to the battle at hand?

[thehippo8]

It is possible he is a third party with a survivor condition. That way if deatheaters win he is a deatheater but if deatheaters loose he flips town? But, yah, the night action is very important.

[Djfireside]

It is possible he is a third party with a survivor condition. That way if deatheaters win he is a deatheater but if deatheaters loose he flips town? But, yah, the night action is very important.

I will await their response as if they are lying we are just feeding them more information. I do have a good idea what their NA should be but want to here it first.

[everywhere116]

Huh, a claim. Never heard of that character before. I await the revealing of further information.

[Bleed_Green]

Sorry but my work life has been pushed to the front of everything so I have been pretty inactive with all aspects of my life right now.

I am going to have to reread all of today findings but one thing that I am starting to see a lot of is people answering for the one that is accused and not giving enough time for the one with pressure to answer themselves. The last 2 days this has happened way to much which just clusters the matter more.

I would like to hear personally from Dazza on all the questions that has been asked of him right now without the speculations of others, we have had an investigation role come up with something that has been better then any lead we have had on previous nights that have caused mislynches.

Here is an example of what I mean:

It is possible he is a third party with a survivor condition. That way if deatheaters win he is a deatheater but if deatheaters loose he flips town? But, yah, the night action is very important.

Dazza:

1. Please post your previous night actions.
2. I would like to know the colour and bracket section role

I will start with these for now since I need to get back to work..

Freezie as previous stated can you please provide the vote count and how many days are still remaining...

[TA1LGUNN3R]

vote dazza

Voldemort is still alive, so lore makes sense.

Investigation+Lore+difficult read = good enough for me.

-Tails

[strike wolf]

I am Stanley Shunpike.

So there is a bus driver...the question now is...are you good or bad? I'd hate to lynch a town bus, but you come up scum. Sure the cruciatus curse could explain that away...argh! How the hell are we getting all these accusations that seem to come up false?
Do we test them? Is this a Dazza or Iron type of decision?

Or it's Dazza under the curse and thus controlled by the death eaters rendering him useless?

Perhaps we can have Iron use his ability tonight and name stan/Dazza as his target?

I'm confused on which way to go now.

Wouldn't the imperius curse make more sense as a framing ability?

Can't rule out Shunpike being a miller but if Freezie wanted to include a miller there are characters who fit that role more accurately. OF course one of those characters has already been lynched.

[pancakemix]

I was waiting for the claim, as I previously mentioned. I got one, and several things don't sit well with me. Firstly, I disliked how dazza beat around the bush on the issue. Second, I dislike the notion of simply name-claiming. Under this much scrutiny, a full claim is necessary, despite what mc said. Third, given hippo's research on the claim, I thnk the decision should be clear cut.

Vote dazza

[everywhere116]

I just experienced a paradigm shift: IB is Voldy, is selling out Dazza so that he won't die. Considering that the scales have turned against Dazza, it makes no sense to split the vote.

Unvote vote Dazza

[freezie]

First thing first, I want to point out something. Today only, 2 people asked a vote count, and people seem to be impatient about them.

My work shifts end a hour before this post. This is the very soonest I can post, and that includes vote counts. I know I promised a daily vote count, but yesterday, only dj had unvoted. I hope you all understand that my schedule does not fit at all to you all, and this is the same for all my games..I generally post my thoughts and don't expect an answer until I come back home the day after

Vote count:

Iron Butterfly(1): Dazza

L-1 Dazza(7): Nebuchadnezer, Iron Butterfly, Thehippo8, Strike Wolf, Tailgunner, pancakemix, Everywhere.

14 alive, 8 to lynch. Deadline in 5 days ( April 23rd, 22h00 pm eastern time )

[everywhere116]

Firstly, you do this solely at work?

Secondly, Talos no, L-1. Unvote

[mc05025]

Well now. He was at L-1 without having the time to protect himself. For now and till the end of the game I will conciser as a deatheater anyone who will kill an innocent without giving him the time to claim.

I think Dazza people demand your green part and your actions or something that can prove you innocent