Battle of the Bulge - CLOSED

[pmchugh]

Well unlike your flawed logic I am looking for information like I always do in games anyone here has played with me in. Even ask them about the Yo Ho game I helped the town get more info than usual on the very first day. I am not looking for a lynch unlike you yet. I am beginning to believe you're digging your own grave even attempting in picking a fight with me bud. Ask anyone here, whether my arguments are good or bad I talk down any one who tries to oppose me .

Here's where I can EASILY make a case against you, you're aiming for a single person when everyone is looking for info with their votes, you wish for a quick and easy bandwagon lynch so we can go into the night stage, why? You do not seem to care for information, just the 'easy' lynches. I'm sure even Chuck can respect me as a player who is trying to find info. Which I cannot say the same for you when you are simply trying to lynch some inactive person that can be replaced by an active player... tsk tsk.

Fastposted once.

Bring it on mate, its a rare event anyone manages to lynch me.

Firstly what information are you going to get from a vote with no reason? He can easily avoid giving serious answers, in fact it would be expected.

Secondly, you state that I am seeking a lynch but you are in fact wrong. I stated I wanted a BW, there is a major difference. Whether the BW is easy or not I don't care because, this is the important part, bandwagons bring you far more information than individual votes with no rhyme or reason.

[shieldgenerator7]

is sg7 in here...o ya well then i guess its time i claim

im the sk!!!

what?! I thought you were part of my mafia faction! *checks role PM* Oh, nevermind that was someone else

-SG7 ( )

[pmchugh]

is sg7 in here...o ya well then i guess its time i claim

im the sk!!!

Does anyone else think this joke is a bit forced?

[new guy1]

Its his new thing. Hes copying SG7 with his constant claim of mafia but instead he claims SK. He is SG7's padawong.

[jgordon1111]

is sg7 in here...o ya well then i guess its time i claim

im the sk!!!

Does anyone else think this joke is a bit forced?

Not If you have played with him recently,he seems to have lost his mind.

apparentley a SG7 groupie or something

[SPARTACUS1974]

sorry all been flat out at work will post later when i have had some food

[Leehar]

vote jak
Way too much arrogance in there for a relatively inexperienced puppy

[SPARTACUS1974]

wow whats up with jak and pmchugh they arguing like a married couple lol , sorry for not post been busy last couple of days and busy for next few also but will post each night uk time .

not alot to say really until we pass out of joke stage and start hunting inactives i know chap has just become a dad so we cant expect him to post much the next few days but some others have cnfirmed and not posted so with this

vote Rodion

[jak111]

Bring it on mate, its a rare event anyone manages to lynch me.

Firstly what information are you going to get from a vote with no reason? He can easily avoid giving serious answers, in fact it would be expected.

Secondly, you state that I am seeking a lynch but you are in fact wrong. I stated I wanted a BW, there is a major difference. Whether the BW is easy or not I don't care because, this is the important part, bandwagons bring you far more information than individual votes with no rhyme or reason.

Aye, I shall. Let's see, where to begin. First of all, your logic is yet again flawed. Bandwagons generally result in a easy lynch for the mafia. At full strength they just simply need to wait until L-3 or L-2 and lynch him with a brief reason why. Then when he pops up town they simply will just basically say "Oops, my bad" So a D1 bandwagon is not always that great. Then lets move onto what you said about my vote, sure there can be a bandwagon on him, I for one just want info for the first day since the one you wanted to bandwagon also can simply lie and say he's the doc or something (Which I hope our doc does a good job this game like MoB did in the HE mafia ) and if no one counter claims him he will easily get away! So for the first day, unlike you who thinks his ideas are correct all the time and trying to push down a SINGLE guy who's voting someone else (when there's many), I just want a claim or two that we can check into tonight. If they fake claim, fine, I'm sure our team can weed out the liars pretty quickly.

So you sir, are a hypocrite. Not many people are even voting in your direction so you pick on someone else who doesn't have much support from people as well. Which simply leads me to believe that you know something about Chuck, whether you're mason partners or scum buddies. Because otherwise it seems a bit odd to pick me out of everyone who has voted so far, wouldn't you say? I haven't played with you before so I assume you haven't played too many games as well. Which now would lead me to believe that you made a fatal scum slip when you are new to being a scum. You're quickly attacking someone who makes a small vote on your buddy. If you or Chuck pop scum I am interested in getting some info from the other very quickly.

Yes Leehar, I am arrogant this game, I am also rather confident in my ability to weed up a few cases in the first day I could WIFOM about you helping him, but that'd be a bogus case on you for now. Plus in the games I've played with you in, I doubt that you'd make such a fatal mistake if you were mafia. PMC on the other hand I'm not so sure about. Give me a few Real Life days to get PMC to slip up a bit more.

[Leehar]

Bring it on mate, its a rare event anyone manages to lynch me.

Firstly what information are you going to get from a vote with no reason? He can easily avoid giving serious answers, in fact it would be expected.

Secondly, you state that I am seeking a lynch but you are in fact wrong. I stated I wanted a BW, there is a major difference. Whether the BW is easy or not I don't care because, this is the important part, bandwagons bring you far more information than individual votes with no rhyme or reason.

Aye, I shall. Let's see, where to begin. First of all, your logic is yet again flawed. Bandwagons generally result in a easy lynch for the mafia. At full strength they just simply need to wait until L-3 or L-2 and lynch him with a brief reason why. Then when he pops up town they simply will just basically say "Oops, my bad" So a D1 bandwagon is not always that great.

Then by rights thats evidence in and of itself on the person popping up being scummy. As pmc said, the votes itself will tell a story as we move on into the game.

And you can wifom all you want, I just tend to trust a person with over 4 years of mafia experience will know what he's doing compared to someone who is still able to reference his previous games as standards to go in this one.

[jak111]

Bring it on mate, its a rare event anyone manages to lynch me.

Firstly what information are you going to get from a vote with no reason? He can easily avoid giving serious answers, in fact it would be expected.

Secondly, you state that I am seeking a lynch but you are in fact wrong. I stated I wanted a BW, there is a major difference. Whether the BW is easy or not I don't care because, this is the important part, bandwagons bring you far more information than individual votes with no rhyme or reason.

Aye, I shall. Let's see, where to begin. First of all, your logic is yet again flawed. Bandwagons generally result in a easy lynch for the mafia. At full strength they just simply need to wait until L-3 or L-2 and lynch him with a brief reason why. Then when he pops up town they simply will just basically say "Oops, my bad" So a D1 bandwagon is not always that great.

Then by rights thats evidence in and of itself on the person popping up being scummy. As pmc said, the votes itself will tell a story as we move on into the game.

And you can wifom all you want, I just tend to trust a person with over 4 years of mafia experience will know what he's doing compared to someone who is still able to reference his previous games as standards to go in this one.

He definitely doesn't seem like he has. Between this and the quicker smaller version on Whirled I have about 2 years experience (Mostly on Whirled which is why I bothered joining the one on here so I could play a longer game version). Once you take the the new players, the inactives, and hate voters (People who strictly vote for you because you were a mafia in a previous game, or you lynched them, etc) out of the picture, you're left with the same type of people. The ones who can learn quickly to customize their playing style and the ones who stick with the same tactics throughout it. As the mafia evolve, so must you. This whole bandwagon thing tends not to work so well in town's favor. If you do not care to trust me on the info, then good luck bud. It'll be a short game for town if we are running blind the entire game just because we begin a bandwagon on single people.

~Mafia can easily hide in bandwagons.
~Bandwagons generate a loss of potential info on other players because everyone only focuses on a single person.
~PMC might be mafia trying to place awful cases on people, and you fell for his tactics.

So please Leehar, if I seem dumb-witted for voting for a "4 year experienced player" when if that is true it would make his mafia tactics better in hiding from townies, to be poor, then I guess we should go through every player who has over 2-3 year experience and just not bother second guessing them or putting pressure vote wise or question wise toward them because we KNOW they never could be mafia ~Says the entire last sentence with the most sarcasm I've used in a while~. So far every game I've been in I've been Pro-Town, and I got to say the game I become mafia is going to be interesting. Does it worry you Leehar that all I've been is townie? Does it worry you that the new blood can question the 'experienced' players with no problem? I hope it does, because one of these games I'm gonna nail every mafia from the first day, and that will be my favorite game

[Some7hingCLEVER]

is sg7 in here...o ya well then i guess its time i claim

im the sk!!!

Does anyone else think this joke is a bit forced?

Not If you have played with him recently,he seems to have lost his mind.

apparentley a SG7 groupie or something

NOT A GROUPIE! I AM HIS PADOWAN! we are actually co modding a game lol.

[pmchugh]

Aye, I shall. Let's see, where to begin. First of all, your logic is yet again flawed. Bandwagons generally result in a easy lynch for the mafia. At full strength they just simply need to wait until L-3 or L-2 and lynch him with a brief reason why. Then when he pops up town they simply will just basically say "Oops, my bad" So a D1 bandwagon is not always that great.

Actually you will find that the first wagon of the day rarely results in a lynch or even a claim so long as the game is an active one. If only mafia played as poorly as you described in this post then the game would be all too easy but alas they don't. Answer this, do you get information about who is likely to be scum by analyzing voting patterns and bandwagons? Even if it did result in a poor lynch you gain a wealth of information from it, as lee rightly pointed out.

Then lets move onto what you said about my vote, sure there can be a bandwagon on him, I for one just want info for the first day since the one you wanted to bandwagon also can simply lie and say he's the doc or something (Which I hope our doc does a good job this game like MoB did in the HE mafia ) and if no one counter claims him he will easily get away! So for the first day, unlike you who thinks his ideas are correct all the time and trying to push down a SINGLE guy who's voting someone else (when there's many), I just want a claim or two that we can check into tonight. If they fake claim, fine, I'm sure our team can weed out the liars pretty quickly.

Firstly, who said a bandwagon has to end in a claim? Here is a tip, the bandwagon is about everyone in the game.. not just that one person. You can analyse not only the persons response but also all the other players responses; who jumps on the BW? Who refuses to? What are there reasons for this? A bandwagon analyses all 18 players, a single vote analyses 1 guy or gal.

So you sir, are a hypocrite. Not many people are even voting in your direction so you pick on someone else who doesn't have much support from people as well. Which simply leads me to believe that you know something about Chuck, whether you're mason partners or scum buddies. Because otherwise it seems a bit odd to pick me out of everyone who has voted so far, wouldn't you say? I haven't played with you before so I assume you haven't played too many games as well. Which now would lead me to believe that you made a fatal scum slip when you are new to being a scum. You're quickly attacking someone who makes a small vote on your buddy. If you or Chuck pop scum I am interested in getting some info from the other very quickly.

I was attempting to start BWs, regardless of whether or not I succeeded is irrelevant. Also I don't know how to say this without coming across as arrogant myself but lets just say I've been around the block for long enough not to make elementary scum slips like that, most people should tell you that (I hope).

He definitely doesn't seem like he has. Between this and the quicker smaller version on Whirled I have about 2 years experience (Mostly on Whirled which is why I bothered joining the one on here so I could play a longer game version). Once you take the the new players, the inactives, and hate voters (People who strictly vote for you because you were a mafia in a previous game, or you lynched them, etc) out of the picture, you're left with the same type of people. The ones who can learn quickly to customize their playing style and the ones who stick with the same tactics throughout it. As the mafia evolve, so must you. This whole bandwagon thing tends not to work so well in town's favor. If you do not care to trust me on the info, then good luck bud. It'll be a short game for town if we are running blind the entire game just because we begin a bandwagon on single people.

That last sentence is very misleading, I am not advocating that we BW mindless every single day. You are quite short sighted, can you not see the object of the BW is not the BW itself?

~Mafia can easily hide in bandwagons.
~Bandwagons generate a loss of potential info on other players because everyone only focuses on a single person.
~PMC might be mafia trying to place awful cases on people, and you fell for his tactics.

They often try and that is actually helpful in our analysis. A BW one player does not necessarily block off all other discussion, unless it has particular merit. Also note the fact "everyone" can still be analysed as I said above. My case (and your counter case) are the only ones to have generated any discussion so far, so I would definitely not call them awful.

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Everything jak said this page = tl;dr
that's right, i said it, I'll start giving a crap for these "reasons" and whatnot on day two

Bring it on mate, its a rare event anyone manages to lynch me.

Boo! Lynch PMC for this alone Unvote vote PMC

[jgordon1111]

Jak been there fought that fight then had a epiphany.(thank you Edoc,Rodion,IB etc.) not saying your wrong completely but slow your roll a little,PCM is correct I watch everyones response to BW's and those that dont as well. Also I am not fond of bw and dont jump on them unless I feel there is a real good reason. But they are useful to those that use them well.For those that use them otherwise town dies alot. Its a fine line to walk,find the middle ground on it. My motto lol Watch and wait,dont call them on it quick they may make as worse mistake then you have double the ammo.

LOL fastposted by /

[pmchugh]

Everything jak said this page = tl;dr
that's right, i said it, I'll start giving a crap for these "reasons" and whatnot on day two

Bring it on mate, its a rare event anyone manages to lynch me.

Boo! Lynch PMC for this alone Unvote vote PMC

I don't care if you knew the connotations but saying "tl;dr" show laziness and a non-desire to find scum. How do you know that either one of us did not drop a tell in that exchange? FOS

[jak111]

Blerg, I haven't kept track, but I seem to have a fight like this at least once on D1 or D2 in all of my games. Let's agree that I don't like your plan PMC and you do not like mine. We're seeking for the same information in two different ways. I for one need some info to go on tonight so we can check in the mourning what happened.

Though /... we're past the joke vote stage if you haven't noticed. Unvote, Vote / for being lazy and still joking around, which, while I'm fighting PMC me nor him are voting for each other, it's more of a debate on interests for D1 plans. I think I found the person I want more info on <.<.

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Everything jak said this page = tl;dr
that's right, i said it, I'll start giving a crap for these "reasons" and whatnot on day two

Bring it on mate, its a rare event anyone manages to lynch me.

Boo! Lynch PMC for this alone Unvote vote PMC

I don't care if you knew the connotations but saying "tl;dr" show laziness and a non-desire to find scum. How do you know that either one of us did not drop a tell in that exchange? FOS

I know, that's the the joke... and?

Blerg, I haven't kept track, but I seem to have a fight like this at least once on D1 or D2 in all of my games. Let's agree that I don't like your plan PMC and you do not like mine. We're seeking for the same information in two different ways. I for one need some info to go on tonight so we can check in the mourning what happened.

Though /... we're past the joke vote stage if you haven't noticed. Unvote, Vote / for being lazy and still joking around, which, while I'm fighting PMC me nor him are voting for each other, it's more of a debate on interests for D1 plans. I think I found the person I want more info on <.<.

Who says we're past the joke vote stage soldier? Are you my commanding officer? If not, stop being a comedy nazi and stow it, if so, sorry sir, I'll read your long ramblings of WIFOM meta game semantics that has nothing to do with voting for each other, that's a FAR better use of our limited time, right?

[thechuck51]

unvote vote chapcrap

Not a single post since sign-ups. I think the danger in the heated debate that has been going on is that it is providing easy cover for people that want to fly under the radar.

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unvote vote chapcrap

Not a single post since sign-ups. I think the danger in the heated debate that has been going on is that it is providing easy cover for people that want to fly under the radar.

this was explained a few posts up

wow whats up with jak and pmchugh they arguing like a married couple lol , sorry for not post been busy last couple of days and busy for next few also but will post each night uk time .

not alot to say really until we pass out of joke stage and start hunting inactives i know chap has just become a dad so we cant expect him to post much the next few days but some others have cnfirmed and not posted so with this

vote Rodion

congrats chap

[thechuck51]

unvote vote chapcrap

Not a single post since sign-ups. I think the danger in the heated debate that has been going on is that it is providing easy cover for people that want to fly under the radar.

this was explained a few posts up

wow whats up with jak and pmchugh they arguing like a married couple lol , sorry for not post been busy last couple of days and busy for next few also but will post each night uk time .

not alot to say really until we pass out of joke stage and start hunting inactives i know chap has just become a dad so we cant expect him to post much the next few days but some others have cnfirmed and not posted so with this

vote Rodion

congrats chap

I suppose that excuse will work, just this once though

unvote

[jak111]

Everything jak said this page = tl;dr
that's right, i said it, I'll start giving a crap for these "reasons" and whatnot on day two

Bring it on mate, its a rare event anyone manages to lynch me.

Boo! Lynch PMC for this alone Unvote vote PMC

I don't care if you knew the connotations but saying "tl;dr" show laziness and a non-desire to find scum. How do you know that either one of us did not drop a tell in that exchange? FOS

I know, that's the the joke... and?

Blerg, I haven't kept track, but I seem to have a fight like this at least once on D1 or D2 in all of my games. Let's agree that I don't like your plan PMC and you do not like mine. We're seeking for the same information in two different ways. I for one need some info to go on tonight so we can check in the mourning what happened.

Though /... we're past the joke vote stage if you haven't noticed. Unvote, Vote / for being lazy and still joking around, which, while I'm fighting PMC me nor him are voting for each other, it's more of a debate on interests for D1 plans. I think I found the person I want more info on <.<.

Who says we're past the joke vote stage soldier? Are you my commanding officer? If not, stop being a comedy nazi and stow it, if so, sorry sir, I'll read your long ramblings of WIFOM meta game semantics that has nothing to do with voting for each other, that's a FAR better use of our limited time, right?

Yes, because joke voting is so good with the limited time you mentioned. Contradicting yourself /?

As for Chuck's post, +1. Not on Chap specifically but on everyone in general, but that being said, if we continue talking and they don't even attempt to add anything then we know they're laying below the radar

[safariguy5]

You do realize this game was in signups a long time right? Ghostly probably should send out a prod on the inactives, I almost forgot about this game until I saw my role.

I don't agree with your stance here jak, you make it sound like reaction to one vote is important. In general, people don't react to one vote, they react to many. Therefore, unless you can convince me that pmc is scum based solely on the fact that he "defended" chuck, I see no reason to believe pmc is scummy.

However, it does appear we're out of the jokevote stage, so I will unvote vote clever.

Making short one line jokey posts does nothing to find scum and is a good way to appear active while flying under the radar.

[jak111]

You do realize this game was in signups a long time right? Ghostly probably should send out a prod on the inactives, I almost forgot about this game until I saw my role.

I don't agree with your stance here jak, you make it sound like reaction to one vote is important. In general, people don't react to one vote, they react to many. Therefore, unless you can convince me that pmc is scum based solely on the fact that he "defended" chuck, I see no reason to believe pmc is scummy.

However, it does appear we're out of the jokevote stage, so I will unvote vote clever.

Making short one line jokey posts does nothing to find scum and is a good way to appear active while flying under the radar.

Check two posts back, I'm on /'s tail right now. PMC and I, while we have been fighting I doubt either of us were even thinking of voting the other because neither of us have done so. Just simply put, we did what me and Jonty did in other games, picked at each other's posts till there wasn't really much more to pick at. Though PMC, while I am not full out after you today, just know... I'll be watching you...

Same goes with everyone else, it's just more dramatic saying it to PMC directly x3.

Though agreed, we need prods sent out because it's no fun with just a few people commenting on D1

[new guy1]

Im sorry I havent posted much. I agree with the fact that bandwagons are good as long as there is someone that knows how to use them properly. As for me, I dont know how to use bw's effectively yet, but if someone knows how to read reactions then so be it. As for current events, I see how /'s joking is way late, but I dont think that it is of merit quite yet.