And coming from a guy who listens to Glen Beck, you know Media bias. And I wasn't talking about height-weight is more appropriate, esp if on the ground where height isn't an issue. Zimmerman has lost a ton, but at the time was a fatty.
OMG x a billion. You still basing everything on the looks of 5 year old photograps huh? profile much? What is that diet you speak of where a person can drop 90 pounds in 7 weeks. OMG LOL you are so precious! But of course you will dismiss the evidence you have with such certainty dismissed in the past, and now when presented with the truth, you dig in even deeper...
That's not a surprise to many here though since you are the last person around who thinks Trayvon is still twelve years old. you can give up the bullshit media lines now, the media gave them up a few weeks ago.
You can't even be a pawn for the media correctly. For the last time, this isn't about me And I don't listen to Glenn Beck, I listen to EVERYBODY and I never watch FOX and I always watch MSNBC so take what you thought were insults and circle-jerk your assumptions to a brick wall, because a brick makes more sense than you do.
Plus you dodged the question about how skittles can bust someone's head open.
bedub1 wrote:New picture released: I have to say, that if things did go down the way Zimmerman describes, I hope he gets off
With all the BS that has been flying around for almost 2 months, where has this picture been hiding and where did it come from?
TV news says the image seems credible, since the hair, clothing and background crime scene appear to be consistent with what has been reported.
Still have to wait for the trial to hear anything new about what happened that night. Such as what was actually said between these two people and how it evolved into a fight? Two things are certain; (1) a teenager who was not doing anything criminal was stalked by a neighborhood watch volunteer and died unnecessarily, and (2) never bring Skittles to a gun fight.
bedub1 wrote:New picture released: I have to say, that if things did go down the way Zimmerman describes, I hope he gets off
With all the BS that has been flying around for almost 2 months, where has this picture been hiding and where did it come from?
TV news says the image seems credible, since the hair, clothing and background crime scene appear to be consistent with what has been reported.
Still have to wait for the trial to hear anything new about what happened that night. Such as what was actually said between these two people and how it evolved into a fight? Two things are certain; (1) a teenager who was not doing anything criminal was stalked by a neighborhood watch volunteer and died unnecessarily, and (2) never bring Skittles to a gun fight.
To answer your question, this photograph does not exist. Just like Comic Boy, Grady Bridges, and other have repeatedly stated.
It kinda seems like maybe this photo was shelved....ya know, while the media was playing their pawns....
spurgistan wrote: I love how this conversation has devolved to figuring out how much weight Zimmerman could have lost.
I know what you mean. In all fairness, the conversation did not devolve. It was just one person who brought that up, Gradybridges. He's got all kinds of insights
bedub1 wrote:New picture released: I have to say, that if things did go down the way Zimmerman describes, I hope he gets off
With all the BS that has been flying around for almost 2 months, where has this picture been hiding and where did it come from?
TV news says the image seems credible, since the hair, clothing and background crime scene appear to be consistent with what has been reported.
Still have to wait for the trial to hear anything new about what happened that night. Such as what was actually said between these two people and how it evolved into a fight? Two things are certain; (1) a teenager who was not doing anything criminal was stalked by a neighborhood watch volunteer and died unnecessarily, and (2) never bring Skittles to a gun fight.
To answer your question, this photograph does not exist. Just like Comic Boy, Grady Bridges, and other have repeatedly stated.
It kinda seems like maybe this photo was shelved....ya know, while the media was playing their pawns....
I haven" t said anything about that picture , let alone repeatedly stated it doesn't exist , the truth seems very elusive to you
I dare people to look at how this story was reported on March 21st!
Their entire narrative turned out to be bullshit. The "avenge Trayvon" hate crimes are happening against white people on a daily basis. These crimes and the blood from them are squarely on the liberal media's hands, and don't forget about the media pawns and the race-baiters that made it possible. This is all the evidence you need to denounce the actions of Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Spike Lee, MSNBC, CNN, HLN, ABC, NBC. This all the evidence you need to judge these people racist and violent! This is the real deal folks. This is what it looks like in our time.
SHAME!
2 crucial pieces of information that have been intentionally withheld.
Trayvon's father: it wasn't my son's voice screaming for help
saxitoxin wrote: What's not in dispute, though, is that Zimmerman pursued Martin....
Actually, the prosecutor tried to say the same thing in court, but Zimmerman's lawyer objected that narrative, and the Judge sustained it, because of lack of evidence. (even in a process that provides a lot of leeway)
Start about 10:30, again a minute later. (the prosecutor keep calling Trayvon "Mr. Trayvon".)
Separately
I heard some people earlier making the claim that using the name Trayvon is racist. Namely, Notyou2, Natty, Neo, Even BBS (although mockingly) and Andy...So I have to ask you guys who were saying such things, Is the Prosecutor that is trying to lock up Zimmeran a racist too? Do you guys see how diluting the term racist and repeating it daily and attacking everyone who disagrees with your point of view is an auto-racist, actually does injustice in the problem of racism, and I will argue for the rest of my life that the behavior of trying to attack people as racist when there is none ends up being the racism you pretend to be calling out. You can't "use" racism and pretend you aren't one. You don't get to demean and minimize and disgrace the actual problem of racism to use as a personal club to harass and and smear honest people speaking on the facts. Plus, it only proves you know so little about the issue are hand that you disqualify yourself from having a valid opinion and just end up trolling.
Also, many may not remember, but this is another example of how stupid people can look because they call people racists so much it barely even means anything anymore. I've been called a racist here and accused of "supporting" a Hispanic person, but in the Arizona 1070b thread I was called racist against Hispanics....
x a billion
However, we all know why it is you do it.....Hopefully one day you people will wake up and see the error of your ways and learn from them.
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Aradhus wrote:...but I am more skeptical about your paranoia than I am cynical about your skeptisism.
This is probably one of my favorite phrases I've read in the Off Topics for a while. Kudos.
--Andy
and..................how about now guys?
apology accepted
We knew they had a fight. I'm not sure what Zimmerman being bloodied is supposed to prove. Maybe the Martin put up a fight before being shot?
All we have is Zimmerman's word that he didn't start the fight, and his story doesn't jive with that of Martin's girlfriend. Let's see how the trial goes shall we?
saxitoxin wrote: What's not in dispute, though, is that Zimmerman pursued Martin....
Actually, the prosecutor tried to say the same thing in court, but Zimmerman's lawyer objected that narrative, and the Judge sustained it, because of lack of evidence. (even in a process that provides a lot of leeway)
Start about 10:30, again a minute later. (the prosecutor keep calling Trayvon "Mr. Trayvon".)
Separately
I heard some people earlier making the claim that using the name Trayvon is racist. Namely, Notyou2, Natty, Neo, Even BBS (although mockingly) and Andy...So I have to ask you guys who were saying such things, Is the Prosecutor that is trying to lock up Zimmeran a racist too? Do you guys see how diluting the term racist and repeating it daily and attacking everyone who disagrees with your point of view is an auto-racist, actually does injustice in the problem of racism, and I will argue for the rest of my life that the behavior of trying to attack people as racist when there is none ends up being the racism you pretend to be calling out. You can't "use" racism and pretend you aren't one. You don't get to demean and minimize and disgrace the actual problem of racism to use as a personal club to harass and and smear honest people speaking on the facts. Plus, it only proves you know so little about the issue are hand that you disqualify yourself from having a valid opinion and just end up trolling.
Also, many may not remember, but this is another example of how stupid people can look because they call people racists so much it barely even means anything anymore. I've been called a racist here and accused of "supporting" a Hispanic person, but in the Arizona 1070b thread I was called racist against Hispanics....
x a billion
However, we all know why it is you do it.....Hopefully one day you people will wake up and see the error of your ways and learn from them.
Since there was a surprising amount of sense in this post, I'll go against my general policy and talk to you like you're an actual human being. This might seem weird. I apologize if it's concerning in any way.
To be 100% honest, once I learned that a trial was going to be held, I lost complete interest in this case. In a situation where an unarmed minor was violently killed, the idea that there wouldn't be a formal presentation of evidence/details of events seemed pretty off to me. If Zimmerman was innocently defending himself, I hope the jury makes the decision to find him not guilty. It doesn't really affect me, assuming a fair trial. But when the shooting took place, the backlash in both directions of the "racial" divide was instantaneous. Blacks wanted Zimmerman charged so that justice was served, one way or the other. I agree with this concept. The jury will make a decision and I'll move on with my life. This movement is consistent. The black community has a bit of a history with the police, and the south has their own thing going, so that discussion was expected. You can agree or disagree that it was necessary, but whatever. It's not my fight. The "other side" confused me a bit. The libruls were chastised for not "waiting for the evidence" all the while being told that there should not be a trial, because the incident was in self defence. These two concepts are sorta mutually exclusive. My opinion was that the situation was not cut and dry, and should probably go to court because of that. The racial aspect is an interesting one, but a fight I prefer to leave to those that are more directly involved in the issue. As far as I can recall, my involvement on this issue has been pretty minor.
Now, my personal vendetta against racism on this site. I recognize that my criticisms of your, Night Strike's, and various other's racism sometimes comes across as joking. Let's get something perfectly clear: I really do think y'all are racist. I don't think you're involved in lynch mobs or burning crosses or even just holding the black man down. At least, not with conscious intention. I do think you feel your opinions are fair, equal, and all those other buzzwords. But the history of your positions, your mannerisms and interests have led me to that conclusion. The most recent one is a nice example. You fail to see the bias in referring to the first name of the deceased, and the last name of the accused. It's marginalizing, and I have a difficult time not feeling that's intentional. This does not even include the fact that "Trayvon" is a "black name." And you try to extract yourself from it by saying "lol the prosecutor did it too." I have a hunch the prosecutor's motives were a bit more complex than yours. Humanizing the victim and dehumanizing the assailant (and vice versa) are a courtroom tactic. When you do it, combined with your previous history, I almost here you calling him "boy." It's that sharp in my mind.
Next, you are absolutely correct that racism is no laughing matter. That's why I wanted to tell you that I'm not joking. I think you're racist. It's not all hooded rednecks and ghetto thugs. Fortunately racism has gotten more subtle, but unfortunately that makes it harder to combat, and I have to waste words explaining myself. All of the humor in my posts about your racism, 100% of it, and I recognize this when I post, is self-referential. For a while, I sort of saw a bit of a meme where I would pop into a thread whenever I saw your racism on display, and post a one liner about it. I learned that this is what you actually think people like me live to do, is bring you down with constant taunting. I embraced it. It amused me to fulfill your nonsense persecution fantasies, because I'm a sucker for easy irony. But, make no mistake, I am not joking when I say I think you're racist.
Speaking of irony. Wanna know something else that's not a laughing matter? Character assassination. It's a courtroom tactic. It's a media tactic. It's easy to hate on the media for being slime balls and smearing Zimmerman. It's also easy to point out that it doesn't justify your attempts to smear Martin. Posting him throwing the bird around and what have you is the same thing the media did to Zimmerman. And even if you thought you were being ironic, it's still wrong, and that's not the way to go about preventing or correcting character assassination. I know you have beef with the liberal media. Playing their game brings you down to their level (I'd argue that you were never above that level, but this is probably enough criticism for now). Stop being a hypocrite.
Napoleon Ier wrote:You people need to grow up to be honest.
Also, the threats on Zimmerman are shitty. Anyone with common sense will be satisfied with a fair trial, and will denounce any threats or violence that are made upon Zimmerman.
Also, lol at "real racists." This isn't an Olympic competition NS. Some people being more violent than you doesn't make you a saint.
Napoleon Ier wrote:You people need to grow up to be honest.
Neoteny wrote:Now, my personal vendetta against racism on this site. I recognize that my criticisms of your, Night Strike's, and various other's racism sometimes comes across as joking. Let's get something perfectly clear: I really do think y'all are racist. I don't think you're involved in lynch mobs or burning crosses or even just holding the black man down. At least, not with conscious intention. I do think you feel your opinions are fair, equal, and all those other buzzwords. But the history of your positions, your mannerisms and interests have led me to that conclusion. The most recent one is a nice example. You fail to see the bias in referring to the first name of the deceased, and the last name of the accused. It's marginalizing, and I have a difficult time not feeling that's intentional. This does not even include the fact that "Trayvon" is a "black name." And you try to extract yourself from it by saying "lol the prosecutor did it too." I have a hunch the prosecutor's motives were a bit more complex than yours. Humanizing the victim and dehumanizing the assailant (and vice versa) are a courtroom tactic. When you do it, combined with your previous history, I almost here you calling him "boy." It's that sharp in my mind.
"George" is a common name while "Zimmerman" is less common, so "George Zimmerman" is referred to as "Zimmerman". "Trayvon" is not a very common name, but "Martin" is probably the 2nd most common last name after "Smith", so "Trayvon Martin" is referred to as "Trayvon". And it's not like Phatscotty or myself make up these references: they've already been used frequently by nearly all media outlets. And I love how you can "hear" racism into someone else's posts simply because you disagree with Phatscotty and myself. Case and point about the problems with "racism" being used against people you disagree with.
Neoteny wrote:Now, my personal vendetta against racism on this site. I recognize that my criticisms of your, Night Strike's, and various other's racism sometimes comes across as joking. Let's get something perfectly clear: I really do think y'all are racist. I don't think you're involved in lynch mobs or burning crosses or even just holding the black man down. At least, not with conscious intention. I do think you feel your opinions are fair, equal, and all those other buzzwords. But the history of your positions, your mannerisms and interests have led me to that conclusion. The most recent one is a nice example. You fail to see the bias in referring to the first name of the deceased, and the last name of the accused. It's marginalizing, and I have a difficult time not feeling that's intentional. This does not even include the fact that "Trayvon" is a "black name." And you try to extract yourself from it by saying "lol the prosecutor did it too." I have a hunch the prosecutor's motives were a bit more complex than yours. Humanizing the victim and dehumanizing the assailant (and vice versa) are a courtroom tactic. When you do it, combined with your previous history, I almost here you calling him "boy." It's that sharp in my mind.
"George" is a common name while "Zimmerman" is less common, so "George Zimmerman" is referred to as "Zimmerman". "Trayvon" is not a very common name, but "Martin" is probably the 2nd most common last name after "Smith", so "Trayvon Martin" is referred to as "Trayvon". And it's not like Phatscotty or myself make up these references: they've already been used frequently by nearly all media outlets. And I love how you can "hear" racism into someone else's posts simply because you disagree with Phatscotty and myself. Case and point about the problems with "racism" being used against people you disagree with.
In a discussion about this case, if you say "Martin," people would know what you mean. A better argument would be that since Martin is a minor, they are traditionally marginalized in the English language. But you don't know what you're talking about, so you just talked out of your ass.
I encounter racism in my friends and family as well. I've discussed it with those I agree with and do not. On this website, the people I disagree with tend to be the ones immersing themselves in racial issues, so it just comes up a lot more. Good try though. Shame you can't put a coherent thought process together though.
Napoleon Ier wrote:You people need to grow up to be honest.
Neoteny wrote:Now, my personal vendetta against racism on this site. I recognize that my criticisms of your, Night Strike's, and various other's racism sometimes comes across as joking. Let's get something perfectly clear: I really do think y'all are racist. I don't think you're involved in lynch mobs or burning crosses or even just holding the black man down. At least, not with conscious intention. I do think you feel your opinions are fair, equal, and all those other buzzwords. But the history of your positions, your mannerisms and interests have led me to that conclusion. The most recent one is a nice example. You fail to see the bias in referring to the first name of the deceased, and the last name of the accused. It's marginalizing, and I have a difficult time not feeling that's intentional. This does not even include the fact that "Trayvon" is a "black name." And you try to extract yourself from it by saying "lol the prosecutor did it too." I have a hunch the prosecutor's motives were a bit more complex than yours. Humanizing the victim and dehumanizing the assailant (and vice versa) are a courtroom tactic. When you do it, combined with your previous history, I almost here you calling him "boy." It's that sharp in my mind.
"George" is a common name while "Zimmerman" is less common, so "George Zimmerman" is referred to as "Zimmerman". "Trayvon" is not a very common name, but "Martin" is probably the 2nd most common last name after "Smith", so "Trayvon Martin" is referred to as "Trayvon". And it's not like Phatscotty or myself make up these references: they've already been used frequently by nearly all media outlets. And I love how you can "hear" racism into someone else's posts simply because you disagree with Phatscotty and myself. Case and point about the problems with "racism" being used against people you disagree with.
In a discussion about this case, if you say "Martin," people would know what you mean. A better argument would be that since Martin is a minor, they are traditionally marginalized in the English language. But you don't know what you're talking about, so you just talked out of your ass.
I encounter racism in my friends and family as well. I've discussed it with those I agree with and do not. On this website, the people I disagree with tend to be the ones immersing themselves in racial issues, so it just comes up a lot more. Good try though. Shame you can't put a coherent thought process together though.
So what's your proof that we are racists? Because we want the truth to come out instead of race riots? Because we call out the media when they make certain things about race, even if it distorts the truth or ignores clear acts of racism? (By the way, there was no hate crime enhancer attached to the murder charge in this case.) Or is it because we believe that all people of all races are equal and should be treated as such in all areas of life and that no one deserves special privileges because of the color of their skin?
Night Strike wrote:So what's your proof that we are racists? Because we want the truth to come out instead of race riots? Because we call out the media when they make certain things about race, even if it distorts the truth or ignores clear acts of racism? (By the way, there was no hate crime enhancer attached to the murder charge in this case.) Or is it because we believe that all people of all races are equal and should be treated as such in all areas of life and that no one deserves special privileges because of the color of their skin?
My evidences are very conveniently collected in post form when you search my posts for a username and the word "racist." Given it leaves out instances where I didn't quote the particular comment, but I feel it is inefficient for me to just repost everything here for you. I don't do this for my health.
If you were interested in the facts of the case, you would have called for a trial. That's how our justice system works, for better or worse (by the way, I don't think it was a hate crime; I think it was an escalated situation based on certain prejudices both Zimmerman and Martin probably have).
Napoleon Ier wrote:You people need to grow up to be honest.
Baron Von PWN wrote:We knew they had a fight. I'm not sure what Zimmerman being bloodied is supposed to prove. Maybe the Martin put up a fight before being shot?
All we have is Zimmerman's word that he didn't start the fight, and his story doesn't jive with that of Martin's girlfriend. Let's see how the trial goes shall we?
Trayvon's girlfriend wasn't there. George was.
This also just goes to show that if you shoot somebody, it's best to kill them. Then there is only 1 side to the story.
I was talking to a buddy, and we decided that if George get's off with anything less than Life in Prison, a bunch of black people will riot. The only way to avoid a riot is to give him Life in Prison. But that's not a just sentence, so under the radar, the feds will come in and take him out of jail, enter him into protective custody, change his name, features, and move him across the country. He will basically enter witness protection plan.
George is out on Bail, so the police won't protect him anymore, so he has to protect himself. But he can't have any guns. Does this seem odd? Since he doesn't have enough money for his own security detail, he and his family are accepting peoples donations of security.
EDIT: Replaced "the blacks" with "a bunch of black people"
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Baron Von PWN wrote:We knew they had a fight. I'm not sure what Zimmerman being bloodied is supposed to prove. Maybe the Martin put up a fight before being shot?
All we have is Zimmerman's word that he didn't start the fight, and his story doesn't jive with that of Martin's girlfriend. Let's see how the trial goes shall we?
Trayvon's girlfriend wasn't there. George was.
This also just goes to show that if you shoot somebody, it's best to kill them. Then there is only 1 side to the story.
I was talking to a buddy, and we decided that if George get's off with anything less than Life in Prison, the blacks will riot. The only way to avoid a riot is to give him Life in Prison. But that's not a just sentence, so under the radar, the feds will come in and take him out of jail, enter him into protective custody, change his name, features, and move him across the country. He will basically enter witness protection plan.
George is out on Bail, so the police won't protect him anymore, so he has to protect himself. But he can't have any guns. Does this seem odd? Since he doesn't have enough money for his own security detail, he and his family are accepting peoples donations of security.
Martin was talking to her on the phone before the fight started. Her testimony of the conversation contradicts Zimmerman's story on the chain of events.
Baron Von PWN wrote:We knew they had a fight. I'm not sure what Zimmerman being bloodied is supposed to prove. Maybe the Martin put up a fight before being shot?
All we have is Zimmerman's word that he didn't start the fight, and his story doesn't jive with that of Martin's girlfriend. Let's see how the trial goes shall we?
Trayvon's girlfriend wasn't there. George was.
This also just goes to show that if you shoot somebody, it's best to kill them. Then there is only 1 side to the story.
I was talking to a buddy, and we decided that if George get's off with anything less than Life in Prison, the blacks will riot. The only way to avoid a riot is to give him Life in Prison. But that's not a just sentence, so under the radar, the feds will come in and take him out of jail, enter him into protective custody, change his name, features, and move him across the country. He will basically enter witness protection plan.
George is out on Bail, so the police won't protect him anymore, so he has to protect himself. But he can't have any guns. Does this seem odd? Since he doesn't have enough money for his own security detail, he and his family are accepting peoples donations of security.
Martin was talking to her on the phone before the fight started. Her testimony of the conversation contradicts Zimmerman's story on the chain of events.
I've talked to people on the phone when I was doing things...they don't get the full story.
Baron Von PWN wrote:We knew they had a fight. I'm not sure what Zimmerman being bloodied is supposed to prove. Maybe the Martin put up a fight before being shot?
All we have is Zimmerman's word that he didn't start the fight, and his story doesn't jive with that of Martin's girlfriend. Let's see how the trial goes shall we?
Trayvon's girlfriend wasn't there. George was.
This also just goes to show that if you shoot somebody, it's best to kill them. Then there is only 1 side to the story.
I was talking to a buddy, and we decided that if George get's off with anything less than Life in Prison, the blacks will riot. The only way to avoid a riot is to give him Life in Prison. But that's not a just sentence, so under the radar, the feds will come in and take him out of jail, enter him into protective custody, change his name, features, and move him across the country. He will basically enter witness protection plan.
George is out on Bail, so the police won't protect him anymore, so he has to protect himself. But he can't have any guns. Does this seem odd? Since he doesn't have enough money for his own security detail, he and his family are accepting peoples donations of security.
What does CC think about the underlined? Is that an example of racism, prejudice, or "nope, nothing at all"?
bedub1 wrote:we decided that if George get's off with anything less than Life in Prison, the blacks will riot.
What does CC think about the underlined? Is that an example of racism, prejudice, or "nope, nothing at all"?
I found the statement awkward, and attempted to revise it so it didn't sound so awkward, but I was unable to come up with a better way to say it. How would you say it?
x a billion. You still basing everything on the looks of 5 year old photograps huh? profile much? What is that diet you speak of where a person can drop 90 pounds in 7 weeks. OMG LOL you are so precious! But of course you will dismiss the evidence you have with such certainty dismissed in the past, and now when presented with the truth, you dig in even deeper...
x a billion
