Battle of the Bulge - CLOSED

[DoomYoshi]

[Game][/Game]

@PMC, putting pressure on someone is why we are doing this,and getting a claim is the product of that pressure. He has already made mistakes I was just wondering why you were not checking him closer. Of the people who now have votes,other than rodion who seems inactive for some reason. To me chuck has slipped and therefore the best player to pressure for now. At this point 3 different targets for valid reasons all,but its time to narrow the focus a little. Or we are going to have to remember what each player has said thru multiple pages,just my opinion focus on one then go to the next.

your whole case stems from me missing a post about chap's inactivity. Its weak. You want to pressure me? go ahead. I have nothing to hide. Just be careful though, when your upcoming bandwagon on me results in a lynched townie, all the pressure on me will move to you.

False. How would you know there will be a bandwagon on you? The town seems mostly split here. Also, why would the pressure move to jgordon and not jak or somebody else?

[jak111]

Official Simplified Vote Count

With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch

Jgordon – Dazza
new guy1 – Clever
Ragian – Rodion, ChapCrap
/ - Jak,
DoomYoshi – CMS
Thechuck51 – Ragian,
PMC – /
Rodion – Spartacus, Leehar
CLEVER - Safariguy

Sorry again if there are mistakes, but I dont think there are any. If there are, post here and I will fix immediately/onto the very next vote count.

Deadline set for 4/29/12 at around 9pm EST still.

PMC is also voting for / a few posts up from yours

Correct me if I'm wrong Doom, but Leehar is the one who was trying to make it all about time spent playing mafia. By then the fight between PMC and I was pretty much done. Personally I like the idea of a split town opinion, PMC, me, and anyone else who wishes to can pressure /. Others can pressure Chuck or whoever they feel they want info from.

Tonight, I'm going to check the activity of a few players, I just feel like we're missing people.... BESIDES CHAP WHO's A NEW DAD (so he deserves a bit of a break)...

[jgordon1111]

@PMC, putting pressure on someone is why we are doing this,and getting a claim is the product of that pressure. He has already made mistakes I was just wondering why you were not checking him closer. Of the people who now have votes,other than rodion who seems inactive for some reason. To me chuck has slipped and therefore the best player to pressure for now. At this point 3 different targets for valid reasons all,but its time to narrow the focus a little. Or we are going to have to remember what each player has said thru multiple pages,just my opinion focus on one then go to the next.

your whole case stems from me missing a post about chap's inactivity. Its weak. You want to pressure me? go ahead. I have nothing to hide. Just be careful though, when your upcoming bandwagon on me results in a lynched townie, all the pressure on me will move to you.

Go easy chuck I put a FOS on you for the future,because missing something in this game leads to the wrong people being lynched often enough.

I havent bandwagoned you, so you apparently missed something else I posted. After the first couple of games I played and got alot of pressure I finally realized how to deal with it. And warning me to be careful is not the best statement to make in this situation it draws others attention directly to you.

Do you think you need to be lynched? and if so for what reason?

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Bringing in more stupidity when me and jak were clearly trying to get something going was completely unproductive.

Vague, if you are expecting me to apologize, then can you clearly summarize what you were "getting going" besides some sort of existential manifesto of "to bandwagon or not to bandwagon"? Because, as it seems to me, your mind was not changed by jak, jak's mind was not changed by you, and everyone else ignored or avoided what both of you were saying.

Lowered the tone... from joke voting? That makes no sense. Our conversation was far far more likely to lead to further discussions than joke voting. Just because it doesn't have immediate effect means shit all and whether or not anyone else gathered information from it I did.

Interesting, can you explain the information gained that is pertinent to this game here, rather than the meta knowledge you may have gained by discussing random mafia concepts in the proper sub-forum for random mafia concepts? (hint: it's Mafia Discussions)
And don't pull that "the information is still making itself from our conversations" BS this time, because you clearly said "I did".


anyways, since PMC and jak aren't really adding much for me to defend against, back to doing my job and going back to the accusation and speculation side of things.

I am starting to feel oddly about Jgordon, he's got some serious tunnel vision going on here

unvote vote chapcrap

Not a single post since sign-ups. I think the danger in the heated debate that has been going on is that it is providing easy cover for people that want to fly under the radar.

Hmmmm for a lazy person who doesnt like typing and voted because / was easy,you took the time to find an inactive to vote for and to type your reason out carefully. FOS chuck for now. seems like you need to show other people to keep attention away from you. The mod had already been asked to prod at the time I believe.

1. Apparently voting for anyone constitutes scapegoating them and derailing every other case in the game, a bit much to assume from one post? you're right! but he does repeat it in practically every other post after that, so...

I understand the joke vote it was more the vote on an inactive with the mod being asked to prod the inactives.

along with the fact there is a debate going on that you are aware of about trying to target for BW's and narrow that list down,but you increase the number of players that have votes on them FOS chuck for increasing players voted on and slight skimming.

2. anyone ever asking the mod to prod someone makes them diplomatically immune to suspicion?

I think we can wait on chuck for a minute right now jak and pcm seem to have an interest elsewhere,need to see where that goes then Can comeback to chuck thats why I fos'ed him instead of voting, and adding more players voted for. If jak and pcm pin / thats where I will go to help first.

3. Clear the stage! 2 of our 18 players vaguely suspect someone, No one do anything until they finish!
4. I'm not supporting this case enough to vote, but you all should definitely pressure him

PCM just a question you have now placed your vote on /. I see the reason you and jak did joke voting should be over.

But chuck is starting to make mistakes that are being pointed out,and your stance was not to get alot of different people with votes on them and to focus on someone.

And yet for the second time rather than go with trying to get a claim from him,you have went an alternate direction.

I for one am now more than a little worried that your playing a logical game but then throw your own logic out of the way for the same player twice.

@PMC, putting pressure on someone is why we are doing this,and getting a claim is the product of that pressure. He has already made mistakes I was just wondering why you were not checking him closer. Of the people who now have votes,other than rodion who seems inactive for some reason. To me chuck has slipped and therefore the best player to pressure for now. At this point 3 different targets for valid reasons all,but its time to narrow the focus a little. Or we are going to have to remember what each player has said thru multiple pages,just my opinion focus on one then go to the next.

5. Pay attention to all of the mistakes I'm not listing!

Go easy chuck I put a FOS on you for the future,because missing something in this game leads to the wrong people being lynched often enough.

I havent bandwagoned you, so you apparently missed something else I posted. After the first couple of games I played and got alot of pressure I finally realized how to deal with it. And warning me to be careful is not the best statement to make in this situation it draws others attention directly to you.

Do you think you need to be lynched? and if so for what reason?

6. Tell me how to help you lynch you.

I'm seriously getting a lyncher vibe from Jgordon, he repeatedly insists thechuck is the scummiest person who we should start pressuring, but makes sure to distance himself from the case, and keeps his vote out of the mix (possibly so he can hammer at l-1).
Unvote vote Jgordon

PS: sorry to the colorblind

[new guy1]

Im not going to waste space by quoting that, but I think that is the best case that anyone has laid out personally. +1 to that, and I am going to go back and read the quotes and all again to determine if that is where I want my vote currently.

[jak111]

PS: sorry to the colorblind

You should apologize to the people with ADHD as well. Basically, to sum up /'s post is that he believes JG is scum based on a few sentences that he takes out of context. Hell, he makes me want to go on a quoting rampage of every single quote from a few players, completely IGNORING what's being said around their posts. I mean right? No ones words are going to affect how he words his posts! Not at all!... -.-.

Help me help you /, bring forth some information on JG that incriminates him besides his grammar, contradictory statements, and bad hygiene.

Also, if we have a doc in the house, make sure to protect PMC. I need him tomorrow to answer a few things once we get some night intel.

Fastposted once.

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PS: sorry to the colorblind

You should apologize to the people with ADHD as well. Basically, to sum up /'s post is that he believes JG is scum based on a few sentences that he takes out of context. Hell, he makes me want to go on a quoting rampage of every single quote from a few players, completely IGNORING what's being said around their posts. I mean right? No ones words are going to affect how he words his posts! Not at all!... -.-.

Help me help you /, bring forth some information on JG that incriminates him besides his grammar, contradictory statements, and bad hygiene.

Also, if we have a doc in the house, make sure to protect PMC. I need him tomorrow to answer a few things once we get some night intel.

Fastposted once.

Simple bullet points that have nothing to do with wording:

He is discouraging voting and the conception of new cases, insisting we tunnel the few suspects we have basically no info on.

He is mentioning how we should all be voting thechuck, repeatedly, while not voting thechuck.

He is insisting that every case, no matter how small, be elevated to a claim or a lynch

Also, would you not try to guide the doc's night actions?

[new guy1]

After jak's post, I must say I am going to read into the context. Also, I understand your concern of getting a few things answered by pmc, but dont call out for someone to protect him, otherwise the scum knows not to hit him

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[safariguy5]

Official Simplified Vote Count

With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch

Jgordon – Dazza
new guy1 – Clever
Ragian – Rodion, ChapCrap
/ - Jak,
DoomYoshi – CMS
Thechuck51 – Ragian,
PMC – /
Rodion – Spartacus, Leehar
CLEVER - Safariguy

Sorry again if there are mistakes, but I dont think there are any. If there are, post here and I will fix immediately/onto the very next vote count.

Deadline set for 4/29/12 at around 9pm EST still.

PMC is also voting for / a few posts up from yours

Correct me if I'm wrong Doom, but Leehar is the one who was trying to make it all about time spent playing mafia. By then the fight between PMC and I was pretty much done. Personally I like the idea of a split town opinion, PMC, me, and anyone else who wishes to can pressure /. Others can pressure Chuck or whoever they feel they want info from.

Tonight, I'm going to check the activity of a few players, I just feel like we're missing people.... BESIDES CHAP WHO's A NEW DAD (so he deserves a bit of a break)...

Oh I see, so you want to split the town vote so we get a no lynch and no claims? Nice...

PS: sorry to the colorblind

You should apologize to the people with ADHD as well. Basically, to sum up /'s post is that he believes JG is scum based on a few sentences that he takes out of context. Hell, he makes me want to go on a quoting rampage of every single quote from a few players, completely IGNORING what's being said around their posts. I mean right? No ones words are going to affect how he words his posts! Not at all!... -.-.

Help me help you /, bring forth some information on JG that incriminates him besides his grammar, contradictory statements, and bad hygiene.

Also, if we have a doc in the house, make sure to protect PMC. I need him tomorrow to answer a few things once we get some night intel.

Fastposted once.

If / did indeed take quotes out of context, that should be up to jg to argue, not you. Ionno jak, you made a big deal about pmc not pressuring chuck and heavily implying they could be scumbuddies, by that logic, I could say the same about your little defense of jgordon.

unvote vote jak for saying that having a split vote is a good thing at this point which I disagree with.

[jgordon1111]

Bringing in more stupidity when me and jak were clearly trying to get something going was completely unproductive.

Vague, if you are expecting me to apologize, then can you clearly summarize what you were "getting going" besides some sort of existential manifesto of "to bandwagon or not to bandwagon"? Because, as it seems to me, your mind was not changed by jak, jak's mind was not changed by you, and everyone else ignored or avoided what both of you were saying.

Lowered the tone... from joke voting? That makes no sense. Our conversation was far far more likely to lead to further discussions than joke voting. Just because it doesn't have immediate effect means shit all and whether or not anyone else gathered information from it I did.

Interesting, can you explain the information gained that is pertinent to this game here, rather than the meta knowledge you may have gained by discussing random mafia concepts in the proper sub-forum for random mafia concepts? (hint: it's Mafia Discussions)
And don't pull that "the information is still making itself from our conversations" BS this time, because you clearly said "I did".


anyways, since PMC and jak aren't really adding much for me to defend against, back to doing my job and going back to the accusation and speculation side of things.

I am starting to feel oddly about Jgordon, he's got some serious tunnel vision going on here

unvote vote chapcrap

Not a single post since sign-ups. I think the danger in the heated debate that has been going on is that it is providing easy cover for people that want to fly under the radar.

Hmmmm for a lazy person who doesnt like typing and voted because / was easy,you took the time to find an inactive to vote for and to type your reason out carefully. FOS chuck for now. seems like you need to show other people to keep attention away from you. The mod had already been asked to prod at the time I believe.

1. Apparently voting for anyone constitutes scapegoating them and derailing every other case in the game, a bit much to assume from one post? you're right! but he does repeat it in practically every other post after that, so...

I understand the joke vote it was more the vote on an inactive with the mod being asked to prod the inactives.

along with the fact there is a debate going on that you are aware of about trying to target for BW's and narrow that list down,but you increase the number of players that have votes on them FOS chuck for increasing players voted on and slight skimming.

2. anyone ever asking the mod to prod someone makes them diplomatically immune to suspicion?

I think we can wait on chuck for a minute right now jak and pcm seem to have an interest elsewhere,need to see where that goes then Can comeback to chuck thats why I fos'ed him instead of voting, and adding more players voted for. If jak and pcm pin / thats where I will go to help first.

3. Clear the stage! 2 of our 18 players vaguely suspect someone, No one do anything until they finish!
4. I'm not supporting this case enough to vote, but you all should definitely pressure him

PCM just a question you have now placed your vote on /. I see the reason you and jak did joke voting should be over.

But chuck is starting to make mistakes that are being pointed out,and your stance was not to get alot of different people with votes on them and to focus on someone.

And yet for the second time rather than go with trying to get a claim from him,you have went an alternate direction.

I for one am now more than a little worried that your playing a logical game but then throw your own logic out of the way for the same player twice.

@PMC, putting pressure on someone is why we are doing this,and getting a claim is the product of that pressure. He has already made mistakes I was just wondering why you were not checking him closer. Of the people who now have votes,other than rodion who seems inactive for some reason. To me chuck has slipped and therefore the best player to pressure for now. At this point 3 different targets for valid reasons all,but its time to narrow the focus a little. Or we are going to have to remember what each player has said thru multiple pages,just my opinion focus on one then go to the next.

5. Pay attention to all of the mistakes I'm not listing!

Go easy chuck I put a FOS on you for the future,because missing something in this game leads to the wrong people being lynched often enough.

I havent bandwagoned you, so you apparently missed something else I posted. After the first couple of games I played and got alot of pressure I finally realized how to deal with it. And warning me to be careful is not the best statement to make in this situation it draws others attention directly to you.

Do you think you need to be lynched? and if so for what reason?

6. Tell me how to help you lynch you.

I'm seriously getting a lyncher vibe from Jgordon, he repeatedly insists thechuck is the scummiest person who we should start pressuring, but makes sure to distance himself from the case, and keeps his vote out of the mix (possibly so he can hammer at l-1).
Unvote vote Jgordon

PS: sorry to the colorblind

Thank you for disregarding the mistakes I had pointed out on chuck,and not reading what I posted about BW's,dont do them unless I feel someone has slipped to the point they have given themselves completley away.(just a refresher for you there)otherwise I try to hold my vote and review what has been said.

So in conclusion you like bandwagons / ?

Anyone that is over eager for them is always suspect to me,because In my opinion that is the biggest scumtell of all.

Please feel free to Bw me. you may not know how I will react but a few do LOL

[jgordon1111]

fastposted by safari,sorry about second post, ty for the assist jak but I tell you like I say to all please dont help,My fights are mine and I can handle myself.

But yes I believe I am right.

[Rodion]

OT 1. Congratulations, Chap!

OT 2. Ghostly/New Guy, what award?

About the game:

1 - The winner of the "PMC vs. Jak" argument was /. By a landslide. Between PMC and Jak, they both had contrasting styles regarding how to play the game, but I found no alignment tells from either during the debate.

2 - Gordon's pursuit of Chuck strikes to me as weird to say the least. As far as I understand, it all came from the fact that he voted Chap because he missed the fact that Chap had a baby? (did I miss anything here?) I like /'s case, except the part where he mentions a "lyncher vibe" and proceeds to vote Gordon (I'd rather go for people that give me a "scum vibe" - lynchers can be handled through other means).

Help me help you /, bring forth some information on JG that incriminates him besides his grammar, contradictory statements, and bad hygiene.

Aren't contradictory statements enough?

FOS Gordon

FOS Jak (for what I just quoted)

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Thank you for disregarding the mistakes I had pointed out on chuck,and not reading what I posted about BW's,dont do them unless I feel someone has slipped to the point they have given themselves completley away.(just a refresher for you there)otherwise I try to hold my vote and review what has been said.

So in conclusion you like bandwagons / ?

Anyone that is over eager for them is always suspect to me,because In my opinion that is the biggest scumtell of all.

Please feel free to Bw me. you may not know how I will react but a few do LOL

the mistakes were relatively minor, and thechuck already explained them with a reasonable answer, I'm not focusing on him anyways, so is it up to me to prove he's innocent? (something I have no idea of)
Not going to happen at any point in at-least 90% of all games, but keep up that optimism!
Depends, but if we don't vote at all that's just one more free night for scum.

[jak111]

After jak's post, I must say I am going to read into the context. Also, I understand your concern of getting a few things answered by pmc, but dont call out for someone to protect him, otherwise the scum knows not to hit him

fastposted

Shhh, I don't even know if we have a doctor, so this will just make the summies look the other way when thinking about him.

Oh, but guiding is so much fun. Especially when it involves protecting a valuable teammate.

See, isn't that point form soo much easier to read? It gets your points out clean, clear, and precise.

It's like any person that puts a FOS on someone, putting suspicion on them while waiting for other townies to agree.

No, if I wanted to actually make a case on jg, I'd mention something like how he puts FOS on chuck AFTER there's been a debate on him, hoping for some votes to trinkle in, and hide somewhere in between the wagon. I'd mention him being on people for joke voting when he really didn't stop joking until last night. I'd even throw in the fact of how he's trying to suck up to PCM and I..... But that's just what I would do.

Fastposted x5 O.o... Give me a few seconds to read and reply.

[new guy1]

Rodion-
We had a group of five people in a competition called Skill's USA. We competed in 2 categories, our friends in Engineering, Adam and I in Sustainability.
We made a hydrogen fuel cell to make hydrogen that we could run a go kart off of it (sucessfully). Our friends described how it was made and got 2nd place, we explained how it helped solve the gasoline crisis (oh no, its running out). We got 1st place. That was at the state level, we are going to nationals this summer . Its gonna be awesome, and if we win then that will be even better .

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[DoomYoshi]

Like Rodion, I disagree with the lyncher vibe. I say that mainly due to the timing of things. At this point though I am getting a strong sense of connectedness from jak and jgordon. I am going to look into things more during the week but It is beginning to feel like an echo with those 2.

Congrats on the hydrogen fuel cell.

[new guy1]

Thanks doom. And I agree, its the weekend. Im feeling lazy. By the way, just so it isnt all spam, I agree with doom in the aspect that I dont want to echo, but I really want to contribute, I just dont know how to day 1. Its one of my many week aspects :/. But I will try at some time in the near future (hopefully).

[jgordon1111]

I FOS'd chuck not so much for missing the chap thing,but for voting on another player while the debate was going on about the best way to get info. To me it seemed chuck was trying to muddy the waters.

BTW when I FOS someone I do it for myself mostly as a reference point to go back to,with the reason why I did it.

And I stand by my FOS for that reason,defend yourself when someone votes you,dont try and divert attention to someone else.

[Rodion]

Are you saying Chuck failed when he didn't defend himself from Jak's vote?

This is Jak's vote, for reference.

unvote (if necessary) vote / because I am lazy and it requires the least amount of typing

Unvote, Vote TheChuck because he's a lazy ass and we need this going somewhere whether it be a claim or something else.

[Rodion]

And congratulations on the award, New Guy and Ghostly! Good luck on the nationals.

[jak111]

Gi..give me till tomorrow afternoon to post guys. My friend just.. I'll be a day or two...

[new guy1]

And congratulations on the award, New Guy and Ghostly! Good luck on the nationals.

Thanks

[chapcrap]

Gi..give me till tomorrow afternoon to post guys. My friend just.. I'll be a day or two...

Is this trying to make fun of someone? I don't know.

However, I agree with was saf said about jak. More than anything, I think it's ridiculous that jak tries to guide the doctor for absolutely no reason. Guiding the doctor to a specific person is scummy in itself, because you need to guide the doctor on day 1 by giving them information to go on in general.

Not only is it ridiculous to guide the doctor to a specific person, it's even more ridiculous when the person in question is in no way proven to be town or be helpful to town.

AND, the reason given for saving him is even more absurd. If you have no idea what pmc's role is, how can you say that you need him to answer question about night intel? The whole thing is preposterous and makes me think that you are scum who is trying to guide the doctor into doing something predictable.

unvote vote jak

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I FOS'd chuck not so much for missing the chap thing,but for voting on another player while the debate was going on about the best way to get info. To me it seemed chuck was trying to muddy the waters.

BTW when I FOS someone I do it for myself mostly as a reference point to go back to,with the reason why I did it.

And I stand by my FOS for that reason,defend yourself when someone votes you,dont try and divert attention to someone else.

So you are saying we shouldn't vote while people are having a meta debate?

So are you saying that your repeated posts of "we should pressure chuck" are not calls to pressure chuck?

so you are saying chuck needed to answer to the votes he had on him: One from ragian for referencing inglorious bastards and one from jak that chided him for joking he was lazy, the later which had already been unvoted at this point

interesting.

fastposted, good reasoning on jak so far.

[jgordon1111]

NO, the relevant part for me to FOS chuck was it appeared to me he was trying to divert attention to someone else instead of either telling both jak and ragian to get bent.

And then when I FOS him instead of telling me I was full of it,he warns me to be careful about what I am doing. Why warn me like that,I am aware of what will usually happen if someone flips town,therefore the warning in itself sends another alarm.

That was a strong reaction for an FOS, I could see it if I had voted for him or I was asking others to drop what they were doing and vote for him trying to bandwagon him. nope I clearly say there are other players with pressure to watch at this point,But the FOS is there for me in future reference if he makes a serious mistake.