Is religious belief 2d?

[bedub1]

Or is it 3d? Does anybody have an idea for the 3rd dimension? You always hear about it being 1d; you either believe in god or you don't. Is this diagram all-inclusive? Or is it missing things? Tell me how simplistic it is, and how it fails to properly encompass the entire understanding of the topic.

Where do you fall in the diagram below? I think I'm Agnostic Atheist. But I might be a Agnostic Theist. I don't really know what I believe. It's easier to point at things and say: "I don't believe in that BS."

[Army of GOD]

a third dimension could be if the person thinks the term "god" is well-defined or ill-defined

[BigBallinStalin]

AoG WINS!!!

[Army of GOD]

AoG WINS!!!

[chang50]

a third dimension could be if the person thinks the term "god" is well-defined or ill-defined

Mark me down as an agnostic atheist who thinks the term is ill-defined,or even incoherent.

[Maugena]

Gnostic Atheist.
Man -> God, not God -> Man.

[pmchugh]

Gnostic Atheist.
Man -> God, not God -> Man.

Gnostic? Really? You can't "know" Atheism to be true even if it is highly probable.

[Army of GOD]

a third dimension could be if the person thinks the term "god" is well-defined or ill-defined

Mark me down as an agnostic atheist who thinks the term is ill-defined,or even incoherent.

I'm in the same boat, methinks.

[Maugena]

Gnostic Atheist.
Man -> God, not God -> Man.

Gnostic? Really? You can't "know" Atheism to be true even if it is highly probable.

I can understand if you're uncomfortable with the idea that there absolutely isn't a god.
I won't make an argument that there isn't any evidence for a god, but you can definitely deduce that god was indeed a concept invented by man.
But really, why does one have lingering doubts? There isn't any comfort to be had in thinking that there may be a god, so why does it matter?
I believe in the material world and nothing more. I can't think of a reason for believing in anything other than that.

People think that there was a beginning to the universe whereas I do not. The law of conservation of mass states that matter cannot be destroyed nor created. I thought of that and applied the same concept of an eternal god to the universe.
People think that there is a beginning and end to everything because that's what we as humans are subject to as well as most things in the universe. But the thing is... structures of things do not last forever. Structures are subject to a finite lifespan. The matter doesn't go anywhere when it breaks down, it just returns to be a part of something else, such as the wind, the ground, part of a new animal, etc.

In any case, I've said most of this shit before, I hope this sheds some light on my reasoning for you. Perhaps it can help you make a firmer stance one way or the other, it's up to you to decide as it is for everyone. Just don't be a sheep. ;D

[pmchugh]

Gnostic Atheist.
Man -> God, not God -> Man.

Gnostic? Really? You can't "know" Atheism to be true even if it is highly probable.

I can understand if you're uncomfortable with the idea that there absolutely isn't a god.
I won't make an argument that there isn't any evidence for a god, but you can definitely deduce that god was indeed a concept invented by man.
But really, why does one have lingering doubts? There isn't any comfort to be had in thinking that there may be a god, so why does it matter?
I believe in the material world and nothing more. I can't think of a reason for believing in anything other than that.

People think that there was a beginning to the universe whereas I do not. The law of conservation of mass states that matter cannot be destroyed nor created. I thought of that and applied the same concept of an eternal god to the universe.
People think that there is a beginning and end to everything because that's what we as humans are subject to as well as most things in the universe. But the thing is... structures of things do not last forever. Structures are subject to a finite lifespan. The matter doesn't go anywhere when it breaks down, it just returns to be a part of something else, such as the wind, the ground, part of a new animal, etc.

In any case, I've said most of this shit before, I hope this sheds some light on my reasoning for you. Perhaps it can help you make a firmer stance one way or the other, it's up to you to decide as it is for everyone. Just don't be a sheep. ;D

You don't need to argue anything, I am rather firmly on the side of Atheism. I would say imma 9.9/10, I just think that to go that extra 0.1 requires too much "faith".

[natty dread]

Your diagram is shoddily rendered and has a horrible typeface.

THERE I SAID IT

[BigBallinStalin]

Your diagram is shoddily rendered and has a horrible typeface.

THERE I SAID IT

Atheists: 0
Christians: 1

[Army of GOD]

Apatheists: 45

[natty dread]

Apatheists get negative points because they suck and everyone hates them.

[Army of GOD]

Apatheists get negative points because they suck and everyone hates them.

YOUR HATRED AROUSES ME

[natty dread]

Wanna cyber?

[BigBallinStalin]

In 2d or 3d?

[Dukasaur]

You're definitely missing a third dimension. Your chart does not account for people like me, who think that there is no god, but that religions still offer value as social institutions, and that there are still valuable lessons to be learned from peripheral aspects of religious teachings, even if at the core those teachings are wrong.

[natty dread]

You're definitely missing a third dimension. Your chart does not account for people like me, who think that there is no god, but that religions still offer value as social institutions, and that there are still valuable lessons to be learned from peripheral aspects of religious teachings, even if at the core those teachings are wrong.

What value is that exactly?

[chang50]

You're definitely missing a third dimension. Your chart does not account for people like me, who think that there is no god, but that religions still offer value as social institutions, and that there are still valuable lessons to be learned from peripheral aspects of religious teachings, even if at the core those teachings are wrong.

Actually I would imagine a lot of atheists feel as you do,it's a very reasonable position.

[Maugena]

You're definitely missing a third dimension. Your chart does not account for people like me, who think that there is no god, but that religions still offer value as social institutions, and that there are still valuable lessons to be learned from peripheral aspects of religious teachings, even if at the core those teachings are wrong.

Actually I would imagine a lot of atheists feel as you do,it's a very reasonable position.

I do agree on a certain level.

[natty dread]

So what value is that? Anyone? There's three people here who all think religion provides some kind of vague service or value to society, but no one is telling me what that is?

Is it something irreplaceable? Is it something inherent to religion that we couldn't implement with secular organizations? I'm really failing to see what you guys are talking about here.

[Dukasaur]

So what value is that? Anyone? There's three people here who all think religion provides some kind of vague service or value to society, but no one is telling me what that is?

It's not a conspiracy of silence, but it is the kind of question that requires a really good answer or none at all, so I've been waiting until I have time to answer you properly. I will try to get on it later today.

[chang50]

So what value is that? Anyone? There's three people here who all think religion provides some kind of vague service or value to society, but no one is telling me what that is?

Is it something irreplaceable? Is it something inherent to religion that we couldn't implement with secular organizations? I'm really failing to see what you guys are talking about here.

How about it gives believers something they need,that you and me do not need,at least not from religion.A crutch if you like.Not many people get thru life without leaning on something ever.

[natty dread]

So what value is that? Anyone? There's three people here who all think religion provides some kind of vague service or value to society, but no one is telling me what that is?

Is it something irreplaceable? Is it something inherent to religion that we couldn't implement with secular organizations? I'm really failing to see what you guys are talking about here.

How about it gives believers something they need,that you and me do not need,at least not from religion.A crutch if you like.Not many people get thru life without leaning on something ever.

Do they really need it though? If there was no religion, would they even know to miss it?