in UK, black firefighter publicly tortured by cops

[saxitoxin]

A black firefighter who offered to assist London police was beaten, tasered, beaten some more and then arrested. Police then began rounding up passers-by attempting to record the torture incident with cell phones, screaming hysterically "turning those fucking cell phones off!" After the prosecution of Edric Kennedy-Macfoy fell apart, police then attempted a cover-up by losing all the documents of the incident.

Kennedy-Macfoy's solicitor, Shamik Dutta, of Bhatt Murphy solicitors, voiced concerns at his client's allegations, saying: "The question many people are bound to ask is why an off-duty firefighter, wearing a pinstriped suit and offering assistance to the police, should have been dragged from his car, shot with a Taser, locked up for many hours and then prosecuted for an offence he did not commit by the very officers he was trying to help.

http://boingboing.net/2012/04/19/black- ... beate.html

Sadly, this is a fairly regular/daily occurrence in the UK by both the official police and the white majority's militias and roving death squads which are charged with enforcing the unwritten apartheid policies of the North Sea island-state.

[Symmetry]

You won't have to dig too far to see how deep the Met is in trouble. This is something like the 12th or 13th serious complaint of racism they're currently facing. Combine that with the Leveson inquiry's stuff about bribery, corruption, and complicity in phone hacking, there's much more interesting stuff than a weird attempt to link the police to the EDL.

Should you wish to continue along the far-right/British police ties, I would suggest you google Blair Peach.

[saxitoxin]

a weird attempt to link the police to the EDL

There's nothing weird about. It's common knowledge that the popular EDL militias are in active collusion with British police in enforcing the UK's apartheid policies.

The EDL militia simply reflects the views of the vast majority of Britons. You support the position of the EDL militia that the UK should not engage in peaceful negotiations with Argentina over the Malvinas, for instance. The only question that remains: have you attended a flag burning yet this week?


http://www.presstv.ir/detail/224889.html

[Symmetry]

I support self-determination for the Falkland Islands, but that has little to do with the EDL, who are, for the most part, a violent bunch of thugs who hate immigrants in general, and Muslims in particular. I appreciate that certain members of the moderating team have associated me with these proto-fascists, but let's face it, you're stretching.

[saxitoxin]

I support self-determination for the Falkland Islands, but that has little to do with the EDL

"Oi, I support keeping us in the Falklands, guv'nr!"
"Oi, I support keeping us in Ulster, guv'nr!"
"Oi, I support keeping the Muslims out, guv'nr!"
"But I don't support the EDL! That's daft!"

LMAO

[Symmetry]

I support self-determination for the Falkland Islands, but that has little to do with the EDL

"Oi, I support keeping us in the Falklands, guv'nr!"
"Oi, I support keeping us in Ulster, guv'nr!"
"Oi, I support keeping the Muslims out, guv'nr!"
"But I don't support the EDL! That's daft!"

LMAO

Yeah, you're getting a little weird.

[BigBallinStalin]

Why don't the police serve jail sentences for this?

If I pull someone out of a car and taze him because I'm "trying to control some other situation," then regardless of that justification, I would very likely serve time in prison. How about police officers in general? It seems that they're given more lenience, their trial (I assume) aren't carried out as often and as quickly as trials for civilians.

This lenience also serves a lack of a threat deterrent in violating people's rights.

[BigBallinStalin]

hen it got worse. The police then arrested Kennedy-Macfoy and asked the prosecution service to prosecute him, which would have cost him his job if they'd been successful. When he complained, the police buried his paperwork and did not refer it to the independent complaints commission (they say it was an oversight). The firefighter says he only complained because the police sought to prosecute him, saying that he would have settled for an apology otherwise because "People make mistakes; you've got good cops and bad cops." When his case went to trial, several police gave testimony against him

Regardless, a police station doesn't go out of business for making mistakes. Non-governmental business (assuming no implied bailouts by their corrupt politicians) can go out of business--depending on the severity of the mistake.

Police stations don't learn as well as other non-govt. businesses from their mistakes and the mistakes of others. It's different incentives at play.

[Army of GOD]

Whenever I need truthful unbiased news, I always turn to a site called "boingboing"

[Symmetry]

Why don't the police serve jail sentences for this?

If I pull someone out of a car and taze him because I'm "trying to control some other situation," then regardless of that justification, I would very likely serve time in prison. How about police officers in general? It seems that they're given more lenience, their trial (I assume) aren't carried out as often and as quickly as trials for civilians.

This lenience also serves a lack of a threat deterrent in violating people's rights.

Hopefully someone will be punished in this case. Apart from the serious misconduct, all use of tazers have to be reported to the Police Complaints Commission (which is supposed to be an independent body, but in practice has a lot of former police officers on board) for review. In this case, the Met didn't report it and investigated it on its own- basically investigated itself. That's a major issue in this case too.

[BigBallinStalin]

@AOG: scroll to the bottom for the link to the Guardian

[BigBallinStalin]

Why don't the police serve jail sentences for this?

If I pull someone out of a car and taze him because I'm "trying to control some other situation," then regardless of that justification, I would very likely serve time in prison. How about police officers in general? It seems that they're given more lenience, their trial (I assume) aren't carried out as often and as quickly as trials for civilians.

This lenience also serves a lack of a threat deterrent in violating people's rights.

Hopefully someone will be punished in this case. Apart from the serious misconduct, all use of tazers have to be reported to the Police Complaints Commission (which is supposed to be an independent body, but in practice has a lot of former police officers on board) for review. In this case, the Met didn't report it and investigated it on its own- basically investigated itself. That's a major issue in this case too.

Sounds like a shite business model for a company which is entrusted to maintain "law and order" among civilians.

[Symmetry]

Why don't the police serve jail sentences for this?

If I pull someone out of a car and taze him because I'm "trying to control some other situation," then regardless of that justification, I would very likely serve time in prison. How about police officers in general? It seems that they're given more lenience, their trial (I assume) aren't carried out as often and as quickly as trials for civilians.

This lenience also serves a lack of a threat deterrent in violating people's rights.

Hopefully someone will be punished in this case. Apart from the serious misconduct, all use of tazers have to be reported to the Police Complaints Commission (which is supposed to be an independent body, but in practice has a lot of former police officers on board) for review. In this case, the Met didn't report it and investigated it on its own- basically investigated itself. That's a major issue in this case too.

Sounds like a shite business model for a company which is entrusted to maintain "law and order" among civilians.

It's awful- they're in all kinds of trouble, as I kind of outlined to Saxi before he went into attack mode. They're facing multiple racism complaints, bribery and corruption issues over the phone-hacking scandal, brutality with regards to the recent protests, and all kinds of shit. They're really in crisis.

[saxitoxin]

Why don't the police serve jail sentences for this?

If I pull someone out of a car and taze him because I'm "trying to control some other situation," then regardless of that justification, I would very likely serve time in prison. How about police officers in general? It seems that they're given more lenience, their trial (I assume) aren't carried out as often and as quickly as trials for civilians.

This lenience also serves a lack of a threat deterrent in violating people's rights.

Hopefully someone will be punished in this case. Apart from the serious misconduct, all use of tazers have to be reported to the Police Complaints Commission (which is supposed to be an independent body, but in practice has a lot of former police officers on board) for review. In this case, the Met didn't report it and investigated it on its own- basically investigated itself. That's a major issue in this case too.

Sounds like a shite business model for a company which is entrusted to maintain "law and order" among civilians.

It's awful- they're in all kinds of trouble, as I kind of outlined to Saxi before he went into attack mode. They're facing multiple racism complaints, bribery and corruption issues over the phone-hacking scandal, brutality with regards to the recent protests, and all kinds of shit. They're really in crisis.

also, collusion with the EDL civilian militias and paramilitary groups

[Symmetry]

The EDL aren't a militia, or a paramilitary group, they're idiots in puffer jackets and tracksuits who occasionally get together via facebook and break windows in areas where there's a high proportion of immigrants. They don't deserve the kind of respect you afford them.

[saxitoxin]

The EDL aren't a militia, or a paramilitary group, they're idiots in puffer jackets and tracksuits

"Oi, I support keeping us in the Falklands, guv'nr!"
"Oi, I support keeping us in Ulster, guv'nr!"
"Oi, I support keeping the Muslims out, guv'nr!"
"But I don't support the EDL! That's daft!"

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"Oi, the EDL are no militia! Just boys bein' boys! They'll grow out of it - everything's okay here!"

[Symmetry]

The EDL aren't a militia, or a paramilitary group, they're idiots in puffer jackets and tracksuits

"Oi, I support keeping us in the Falklands, guv'nr!"
"Oi, I support keeping us in Ulster, guv'nr!"
"Oi, I support keeping the Muslims out, guv'nr!"
"But I don't support the EDL! That's daft!"

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"Oi, the EDL are no militia! Just boys bein' boys! They'll grow out of it - everything's okay here!"

[img]http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5286/5251502009_f86b201b3d.jpg/img]

Are you still going to honestly claim you aren't just baiting me?

[saxitoxin]

The EDL aren't a militia, or a paramilitary group, they're idiots in puffer jackets and tracksuits

"Oi, I support keeping us in the Falklands, guv'nr!"
"Oi, I support keeping us in Ulster, guv'nr!"
"Oi, I support keeping the Muslims out, guv'nr!"
"But I don't support the EDL! That's daft!"

+

"Oi, the EDL are no militia! Just boys bein' boys! They'll grow out of it - everything's okay here!"

[img]http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5286/5251502009_f86b201b3d.jpg/img]

Are you still going to honestly claim you aren't just baiting me?

It depends, are you still going to honestly claim the EDL militia is just "boys being boys?"

[Symmetry]

The EDL aren't a militia, or a paramilitary group, they're idiots in puffer jackets and tracksuits

"Oi, I support keeping us in the Falklands, guv'nr!"
"Oi, I support keeping us in Ulster, guv'nr!"
"Oi, I support keeping the Muslims out, guv'nr!"
"But I don't support the EDL! That's daft!"

+

"Oi, the EDL are no militia! Just boys bein' boys! They'll grow out of it - everything's okay here!"

[img]http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5286/5251502009_f86b201b3d.jpg/img]

Are you still going to honestly claim you aren't just baiting me?

It depends, are you still going to honestly claim the EDL militia is just "boys being boys?"

I've called them thugs and idiots, but I'm not sure where you're getting that quote from, and I can honestly say that I do not claim that the EDL is just "boys being boys".

[saxitoxin]

The EDL aren't a militia, or a paramilitary group, they're idiots in puffer jackets and tracksuits

"Oi, I support keeping us in the Falklands, guv'nr!"
"Oi, I support keeping us in Ulster, guv'nr!"
"Oi, I support keeping the Muslims out, guv'nr!"
"But I don't support the EDL! That's daft!"

+

"Oi, the EDL are no militia! Just boys bein' boys! They'll grow out of it - everything's okay here!"

[img]http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5286/5251502009_f86b201b3d.jpg/img]

Are you still going to honestly claim you aren't just baiting me?

It depends, are you still going to honestly claim the EDL militia is just "boys being boys?"

I've called them thugs and idiots

If you want to sugar coat it, that's fine. Just don't expect others to jump aboard the Lollipop Express.

[Symmetry]

And I hope nobody treats them as anything other than the thugs and idiots that they are. They're not some well-organised militant group, and they have no coherent thought between them other than beating up people who aren't their brand of white. They're hateful violent scum.

Treating them as some kind of officially licensed group, or a militia, or whatever, gives them more respect than they deserve. A closer example, if you do want to criticise violence in British society, would be football hooligans.

[BigBallinStalin]

Why doesn't the UK crackdown on the EDL more thoroughly?

In US, the government treated "ecosabotuers" as "ecoterrorists".... Of course, there's many problems with that, but why hasn't that happened in the UK?

[saxitoxin]

A closer example, if you do want to criticise violence in British society, would be football hooligans.

Yes, downplay a radical, organized group with international links, widespread popular support and a violent agenda of racially purifying the country as analogous to nothing more than overenthusiastic sports fans (AKA "boys will be boys!").

Good job.

Symmetry in 1940: Don't mind them, they're just mad their team lost the EuroCup finals.

[Symmetry]

You should be their publicist, you make a better case for their importance than anyone else I've seen. Up from militia to Nazi squadron. All for a bunch of skin-head thugs.

[saxitoxin]

You should be their publicist, you make a better case for their importance than anyone else I've seen. Up from militia to Nazi squadron. All for a bunch of skin-head thugs.

It may surprise you to learn that there are many places in Oceania and North America and Scandinavia where the idea of several thousand organized militants showing up for violent street clashes on a regular basis is unheard of - where, if this were to happen even once, would cause total public panic due to the unheard-of nature of the event. In many places of the world this is not a normal part of civic life. This just doesn't happen in San Francisco or Halifax or Auckland or Helsinki.

Then there's places like Beirut, London and Grozny where people have gotten used to it, as your posts seem to indicate. It's become just part of the background noise of life. Scary.

ed.: spelling