in UK, black firefighter publicly tortured by cops

[Symmetry]

You should be their publicist, you make a better case for their importance than anyone else I've seen. Up from militia to Nazi squadron. All for a bunch of skin-head thugs.

It may surprise you to learn that there are many places in Oceania and North America and Scandinavia where the idea of several thousand organized militants showing up for violent street clashes on a regular basis is unheard of - where, if this were to happen even once, would cause total public panic due to the unheard-of nature of the event. In many places of the world this is not a normal part of civic life. This just doesn't happen in Santa Barbara or Halifax or Auckland or Helsinki.

Then there's places like Beirut, London and Grozny where people have gotten used to it, as your posts seem to indicate. It's become just part of the background noise of life. Scary.

You don't quit do you? But you won't explain the animus behind your posts either... What's up Saxi?

[saxitoxin]

You should be their publicist, you make a better case for their importance than anyone else I've seen. Up from militia to Nazi squadron. All for a bunch of skin-head thugs.

It may surprise you to learn that there are many places in Oceania and North America and Scandinavia where the idea of several thousand organized militants showing up for violent street clashes on a regular basis is unheard of - where, if this were to happen even once, would cause total public panic due to the unheard-of nature of the event. In many places of the world this is not a normal part of civic life. This just doesn't happen in Santa Barbara or Halifax or Auckland or Helsinki.

Then there's places like Beirut, London and Grozny where people have gotten used to it, as your posts seem to indicate. It's become just part of the background noise of life. Scary.

[Baron Von PWN]

You should be their publicist, you make a better case for their importance than anyone else I've seen. Up from militia to Nazi squadron. All for a bunch of skin-head thugs.

It may surprise you to learn that there are many places in Oceania and North America and Scandinavia where the idea of several thousand organized militants showing up for violent street clashes on a regular basis is unheard of - where, if this were to happen even once, would cause total public panic due to the unheard-of nature of the event. In many places of the world this is not a normal part of civic life. This just doesn't happen in San Francisco or Halifax or Auckland or Helsinki.

Then there's places like Beirut, London and Grozny where people have gotten used to it, as your posts seem to indicate. It's become just part of the background noise of life. Scary.

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That doesen't really sound like grozny's style. They're much more the take you to the outskirts of town and shoot you types.

[Symmetry]

Why doesn't the UK crackdown on the EDL more thoroughly?

In US, the government treated "ecosabotuers" as "ecoterrorists".... Of course, there's many problems with that, but why hasn't that happened in the UK?

They're not a very organised group is the thing. No hierarchy, no real goal beyond thuggish violence against minorities. You can arrest individuals, sure, but the problem really is thinking of them as a militia, or something like that, when they're basically a violent mob of thugs.

There really is no reason to give them any kind of acknowledgement more than that.

[BigBallinStalin]

Do you think the current response from the UK government is the most effective response in dealing with the EDL?

And how do non-governmental organizations deal with the EDL?

[Symmetry]

Do you think the current response from the UK government is the most effective response in dealing with the EDL?

And how do non-governmental organizations deal with the EDL?

I'd like to see better policing, but they've done a lot better since the initial riots. There are usually a fair number of counter-protests against the EDL when they do get together. A lot of police work is involved in keeping the two sides away from each other,

[saxitoxin]

Why doesn't the UK crackdown on the EDL more thoroughly?

In US, the government treated "ecosabotuers" as "ecoterrorists".... Of course, there's many problems with that, but why hasn't that happened in the UK?

They're not a very organised group is the thing. No hierarchy, no real goal beyond thuggish violence against minorities.

yep, very disorganized -- nothing to see here, BBS, move along ... keep moving, the militia has no leaders or anything - they're no worse than some angry badminton fans ... boys being boys, you know

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[BigBallinStalin]

Are the leaders of the EDL being held accountable for the wrong-doing of their followers? If so, how?

[Symmetry]

Are the leaders of the EDL being held accountable for the wrong-doing of their followers? If so, how?

Well, I'm off to watch Game of Thrones. I'll leave you in the obviously well-informed hands of Saxi, who of course, would never dream of making this stuff up.

[saxitoxin]

Are the leaders of the EDL being held accountable for the wrong-doing of their followers? If so, how?

Quite the contrary. The militia commander, Tommy Robinson, receives a detachment of UK government-paid guards.

[BigBallinStalin]

Are the leaders of the EDL being held accountable for the wrong-doing of their followers? If so, how?

Quite the contrary. The militia commander, Tommy Robinson, receives a detachment of UK government-paid guards.

Ha! If that's still in effect, then the UK government is indirectly supporting this violent and racist organization. Let him hire his own EDL thugs. Why would the UK government take a portion of people's income in order to support the leader of such a violent and racist organization?

We don't see the USG supporting violent groups like the EFL, AFL, and other environmental extremists through the UK's means... what's up with that? Shit's crazy, dawg!

[BigBallinStalin]

I wonder if the EDL receives subsidies or state benefits for being a "charitable" organization? ...or if Tommy Robinson has organized a few such groups in order to channel funding directly into the EDL...

[Symmetry]

I'm away for a single episode of game of thrones and BBS goes off his meds. Can't I catch a break?

[saxitoxin]

Are the leaders of the EDL being held accountable for the wrong-doing of their followers? If so, how?

Quite the contrary. The militia commander, Tommy Robinson, receives a detachment of UK government-paid guards.

Ha! If that's still in effect, then the UK government is indirectly supporting this violent and racist organization. Let him hire his own EDL thugs. Why would the UK government take a portion of people's income in order to support the leader of such a violent and racist organization?

I'll tell you why.

The last time a violent militia with mass popular support (or, as Sym says, a loosely organized group of passionate badminton fans) was organized in Britain, the leader was given a seat in the House of Lords. They absolutely love this stuff in the UK. Eat it up.

The government doesn't like it but all they have is a small latch to keep the mass of the population caged ... sometimes they have to bow to the will of the majority and let the occasional militia run wild so everyone can get it out of their system. It's the Kristallnacht approach to public administration.

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[Symmetry]

Another example of how lopsided society is today. Bullying is constantly pegged as an issue among adolescents only, but it starts in the older generation. Skin color, too fat, too thin, too pretty, too ugly, parents are poor, parents are rich, blah-blah-blah-blah....harassment starts with the parents themselves and perpetuates itself through the school years.

Stop the abuse? Stop parents from bullying at work and at home - the angry boss that eats up employees and spits them out to get to the top, the people who make fun of the fat lady eating a salad. Time to take a look at ourselves as adults.

Aye, fair comment.

[BigBallinStalin]

Stop asking questions! Don't be crazy! The government just needs better policing--that's all, nothing more! WHERE ARE YOUR MEDS, BBS?

Okay, fine. I'll take the pills and stop critically thinking. I'm sure the government will be able to promote the Public Good and the Public Will--however they perceive it.