Matrix Mafia Endgame, Town and Survivors win!

[Iron Butterfly]

Ok I will unvote Jak.

But you guys wanna see somthing funny???

Since everyone was talking about Matrix Flavor and which characters would be Masons here is something....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twins_(The_Matrix)

JUST SAYIN

[Iron Butterfly]

Ok I will unvote Jak.

But you guys wanna see somthing funny???

Since everyone was talking about Matrix Flavor and which characters would be Masons here is something....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twins_(The_Matrix)

JUST SAYIN

Sorry UNVOTE JAK
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdQ8wBiEtGw Twins would be great Masons.

[Nebuchadnezer]

Ok I will unvote Jak.

But you guys wanna see somthing funny???

Since everyone was talking about Matrix Flavor and which characters would be Masons here is something....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twins_(The_Matrix)

JUST SAYIN

Sorry UNVOTE JAK
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdQ8wBiEtGw Twins would be great Masons.

Fine let's Meta some more...It would make sense to have Marovignan and the Twins as one faction, with the computers/sentinels/Deus ex Machina as another faction. Throw in Agent Smith as the SK, and there will be a lot of killing night one. Or perhaps the machines are all one player, controlled by Deus ex...essentially two SKs. However, that leaves the mafia short a few players. Endless possibilities...

However, if they are mafia, why do they need to be masoned? That is not logical...is it? So, why the meta thought on something that is near 0% happening?

As to jak, I'm all for pressuring the inactives. (My other thought was to pressure one of the voters that were on both mine and jak's bandwagon. That was Dazza, Iron Butterfly, and Everywhere. However, I'm not sure I can blame any of them for voting me...or jak. Nor do any of them cross check with jak111's list.) And really they are all more active, which will eventually lead to their demise, if they are mafia. The inactives can continue to skate along all they want, though. Never helping us out, and never posting enough to have a slip-up.

I would vote for one of the five submariners.

[cowboyz]

Ok I will unvote Jak.

But you guys wanna see somthing funny???

Since everyone was talking about Matrix Flavor and which characters would be Masons here is something....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twins_(The_Matrix)

JUST SAYIN

Sorry UNVOTE JAK
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdQ8wBiEtGw Twins would be great Masons.

Agreed. Twins would be awesome. I was hoping for that role. I would def assume they would be in game and masons. Almost 100%. Good point though. Jak and Doom def not in the clear just yet. But I will give them benefit for now. Least we do know that they are on same side, which ever it is.

There seems to be a lot of bandwagon goin on. Which isn't all bad if that's the plan to get some info.
Would be really good if everyone would make their own case and we kind vote who to bandwagon on in order to get some info out of them.

I'll reread a bunch and come up with what I can.

and Hippo's case was very strange, no exp with him but is he trying to draw attention to himself of what?

[safariguy5]

Vote Count

Neb(4)- Skillfu, cm5, mob, edoc
dazza(1)- freezie
hippo(2)- sound, doom, dazza
jak(2)- jonty, spart
betiko(1)- hippo
sniper(1)- jak

With 24 alive, it takes 13 to lynch.

Deadline is midnight May 1st, PST. If no lynch is decided by then, the day will end in a no lynch.

Still looking for a replacement for ghostly

[Iron Butterfly]

So, see anyone on the list I made that seems a worthy candidate for the wagonteers? Personally I'm gonna go with skillfulsniper. He's the longest inactive, and he really hasn't contributed anything to the game. So. Vote Sniper (Unvote, if needed, don't think so..)

His last post was Thursday. He found time Saturday to post someplace else a couple of times.

Our game here started to getting serious around Friday with Saturday being a Day with lots of meaningful exchanges. He could have posted something at least once at a minimum.

Im not ready to vote just yet but if he posts again with out posting here and not having an insightful opinion or something to contribute then he will by all means get my vote.

I suggest he gets a prod.

[soundman]

For inactives or non contributers (or small ones) we have: (also sort by author to confirm this)
~ Soundman with 8 posts to date. 2 posts on the 20th and before that he last posted on the 17th in the joke vote still.

So I post Friday and don't post Saturday or Sunday because I'm always busy on weekends and you label me an inactive? Seriously?

Anyways I'd like to see the pressure on Hippo. He's tripping my scum meter like SG7 was in Draft Mafia.

Jak has been scummy. If I wasn't his partner I would be on the BW too. Normally I wouldn't out myself, but I feel he already kinda outed me.

IB has been pretty thin-skinned this game, but that is a cat to skin a different day I think.

Vote the hippo

BW jumping combined with flying under radar/not contributing.

Sorry Doom, got back from holiday in the weekend and still trying to catch my tail. I've been reading and watching but you are right, not contributing. I consider my hand slapped. I am interested that Betico, Dazza and Sparticus are having lovely little chats and interludes. Looking really professional and on to it but IMHO seem joined at the hip and going unchallenged. IMHO Betico screams out loudest as being too "try hard" and "daddy" for my liking.

Unvote vote Betico

They make one post each and he puts them together. In response to the underlined, where are their other "chats and interludes"? Here are the posts between them for reference.

edocsil, that "guidebook" thing for a vt on day 1 makes no sense. If I was doc for example and a VT claims doc; i would imediately see him as scum. protect him on night 1, really? a vt should claim vt because he is not important and can mess many things up if he starts fakeclaiming town power roles.
And there is no "playing by the book", as that would make town predictable, and the whole point is to do stuff that mafia don't expect and wifom them.

FOS edocsil because he seems like a very experienced player and all this seems weird from him, unless he was just fishing for info..

A reply to Edocsil's post.

You are clearly misunderstanding his point. He is not saying to fakeclaim at all. He is saying try not to draw attention and be forced to claim. But during the day try to look important enough for the scum to kill you instead of someone who really is a power role.

If the doc believes it too and protects you then that is a bonus as there will be no kill at all.

A reply to Betico's post.

thanks for explaining dazza i was a little bit confused by what edoc had said but it does make sence to draw attention towards you if you are a vt and away from the others .

and what does wifom mean?

A thank you to Dazza for clarification.

Where do these post show that they are joined? Where are the other "chats"? I don't find anything suspicious about these posts. But I am finding Hippo more and more suspicious.

[Some7hingCLEVER]

Ok I will unvote Jak.

But you guys wanna see somthing funny???

Since everyone was talking about Matrix Flavor and which characters would be Masons here is something....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twins_(The_Matrix)

JUST SAYIN

Sorry UNVOTE JAK
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdQ8wBiEtGw Twins would be great Masons.

Fine let's Meta some more...It would make sense to have Marovignan and the Twins as one faction, with the computers/sentinels/Deus ex Machina as another faction. Throw in Agent Smith as the SK, and there will be a lot of killing night one. Or perhaps the machines are all one player, controlled by Deus ex...essentially two SKs. However, that leaves the mafia short a few players. Endless possibilities...

However, if they are mafia, why do they need to be masoned? That is not logical...is it? So, why the meta thought on something that is near 0% happening?

if you look at crazy super hero mafia i was mafia and we were masoned i honestly didnt see the point but just pointing it out that it could happen

As to jak, I'm all for pressuring the inactives. (My other thought was to pressure one of the voters that were on both mine and jak's bandwagon. That was Dazza, Iron Butterfly, and Everywhere. However, I'm not sure I can blame any of them for voting me...or jak. Nor do any of them cross check with jak111's list.) And really they are all more active, which will eventually lead to their demise, if they are mafia. The inactives can continue to skate along all they want, though. Never helping us out, and never posting enough to have a slip-up.

but i have to say i am against pressuring inactives. at least not before they have a chance to defend themselves and especially not if we have a better case so ill say pressuring right now is pretty decent idea. i think a prod is in place but only on a list of inactives that i can gather later today if you would like.
I would vote for one of the five submariners.

[Djfireside]

Interesting thought on the twins. Does make for some questions as what other masons there could be as I would have figured Tank and Dozer would have been one, but with Tank supposedly out I am trying to figure where else it could fit. Opens the door as others have said to multiple factions being involved as that was the case.

I agree that a prod would be a good thing because the submariners could just skating away without leaving themselves open to hits. I hate chasing inactives and would like to see them come around at least to have some say in how the game goes.

[DoomYoshi]

Flavor for masons is easy to fit with a hundred different combos because people can speak with regular phones within the matrix and to the outside of the matrix.

The twins wouldn't have to be masoned, but we might fakeclaim that if we were crazy. I am not that crazy.

[ghostly447]

Well guys, I am back now. Confirmed with Safariguy. So I will read up on it tonight since my other game has slowed down. Hopefully there will be input today or tomorrow.

[Some7hingCLEVER]

LAST POSTS OF SUBSTANCE
betiko- yesterday

cowboys- yesterday

Crazy milkshake- yesterday

dazza- yesterday

dj fireside- yesterday

doomyoshi- yesterday

edocsil- yesterday but posted alot of fluff seems like he is trying to be active not really sure

eldario-NOT A SINGLE POST OF ACTUAL SUBSTANCE (i dont count talking about what characters would have what role)

everywhere- yesterday just to unvote

freezie - three days ago

IB- yesterday

jak111- yesterday

jonty125- OMG...ONE LINES??? EVERYSINGLE ONE OF HIS DAMN POST ARE ONE OR TWO LINERS AND I JUST CANT HELP BUT LAUGH ITS SO DUMB

Leehar-eh he has posted yesterday but not real substance since the 21st

mob deadly- last of substance was the 19th then on the 20th he said he would be sporatic and i assume that means he will post a little. then he neverdid. and then he said he would be back monday. its tuesday and we havent heard from him.

sg7- yesterday

skillfullsniper33- four days ago

some7hingclever-well this is my most recent and i would say im active:)

soundman- yesterday but post once or twice every four days

spartacus- yesterday

the chuck- yesterday

hippo- not much of substance besides his last post


these are the last posts of every single player in this game. the ones in red are the ones i think should be pressured and the one is blue is the one i definitaly want to pressure. so if anyone should be pressured i think it should be some of these people. so vote jonty125

[Nebuchadnezer]

What about me?

[safariguy5]

Yes, ghostly is back, so no replacement necessary.

I will prod skillfu and eldario.

[Eldario]

For inactives or non contributers (or small ones) we have: (also sort by author to confirm this)
~ CMS who hasn't contributed much in the last couple of days besides jumping on the band wagon a few days ago and then continuing to pressure JG before just making random posts to seem active)
~ Eldario whom has 7 posts to date. His last post was 3 days ago.
~ MoB whom since the Diablo beta is over, we expect to see him post within the next day or so.
~ Skillfulsniper who hasn't posted since 4 days ago. Has only 7 posts to date.
~ Soundman with 8 posts to date. 2 posts on the 20th and before that he last posted on the 17th in the joke vote still.

So in conclusion, none of you can tell me you've had your eyes anywhere but for me. None of you noticed really 5 inactives? NO ONE?!?

I clearly stated that I would be away this weekend, and yesterday went to rereading this and another game, so even thou I will admit that I have not contributed much, as S7C states, I would not call myself inactive

[jonty125]

Anyone wishing to fight my statement above, point out where you mentioned any of those 5 or someone else since the beginning of the wagon on me. I bet not a single one of you can.

Well should we discuss the guy who is being scummy or turn a blind eye and just randomly pick on the quiet one ?

jonty125- OMG...ONE LINES??? EVERYSINGLE ONE OF HIS DAMN POST ARE ONE OR TWO LINERS AND I JUST CANT HELP BUT LAUGH ITS SO DUMB

A post doesn't have to have many lines to be of substance. I don't have loads to say, its D1.

[shieldgenerator7]

ABout the mafia masons thing, I think we have some confused n00bs.

A mason only implies that the two masons can talk at night. Mafia are usually by definition "masoned" in that they all know who each other are and can all talk at night. It's unnecessary to say Mafia are masons because it's a given.

This also means that "mason" is a vialable (altho extremely risky) claim for mafia. They can claim masons and get away with it because their scum buddy would back them up. However it is very risky because if one of them dies then the town knows they're not really masons.

-SG7 ( )

[Iron Butterfly]

ABout the mafia masons thing, I think we have some confused n00bs.

A mason only implies that the two masons can talk at night. Mafia are usually by definition "masoned" in that they all know who each other are and can all talk at night. It's unnecessary to say Mafia are masons because it's a given.

This also means that "mason" is a vialable (altho extremely risky) claim for mafia. They can claim masons and get away with it because their scum buddy would back them up. However it is very risky because if one of them dies then the town knows they're not really masons.

-SG7 ( )

That is very true for Mafia.

Third Party a different story.

[Leehar]

Ok, I'm glad you got cleared Jak, but all I'd like to say before we put your case to bed is that if you want to stop acting scummy, consider not omgus'ing everyone that voted for you as well?
Anyway, I don't mind going for an active D1, Clever put in a nice list, where can we get some momentum
(BW ) started? Because there really isn't much to go on, despite jak's bazillion and 1 cases he's boasting on?

What was my fluffiness again exactly clever?

[everywhere116]

ABout the mafia masons thing, I think we have some confused n00bs.

A mason only implies that the two masons can talk at night. Mafia are usually by definition "masoned" in that they all know who each other are and can all talk at night. It's unnecessary to say Mafia are masons because it's a given.

This also means that "mason" is a vialable (altho extremely risky) claim for mafia. They can claim masons and get away with it because their scum buddy would back them up. However it is very risky because if one of them dies then the town knows they're not really masons.

-SG7 ( )

There is such a thing as a mafia mason, though. A mafia member who is paired with a town mason who might or might not have been told that his partner could be scum. Very bastard role. I don't like them. However, I doubt anything like that is happening here.

[jak111]

Well should we discuss the guy who is being scummy or turn a blind eye and just randomly pick on the quiet one ?

Or how about actually paying attention to everyone. That is the problem here, I get why people chose me to vote for and pick apart at, bit it's another thing to completely ignore everyone else. That's where the town turned their blind eye on.

As for Leehar's post, I didn't OMGUS everyone... just 96% of them... ;3. Though really, there were a few bad calls in the voting on me, like at least they could've stated their opinions instead of following the leader so to speak. I don't know about you but the whole "I don't wanna say what other people already said so I'm just now going to vote for you" thing does not speak much to me about them trying anything besides joining the wagon, ya know?

[MoB Deadly]

will post this afternoon/evening

[Leehar]

As for Leehar's post, I didn't OMGUS everyone... just 96% of them... ;3. Though really, there were a few bad calls in the voting on me, like at least they could've stated their opinions instead of following the leader so to speak. I don't know about you but the whole "I don't wanna say what other people already said so I'm just now going to vote for you" thing does not speak much to me about them trying anything besides joining the wagon, ya know?

So instead they should give a few one-liners on some new reason to find you scummy? It's been something else you've been critical off...
It's D1, there really is very little to go off other than say you've been acting scummy. Heck, both you and Doom considered you to be acting scummy, tho tbh I didn't even think there was enough on you that necessitated self-immolation?


I'll accede to your point that some of the votes were indicative of a lack of participation by the interest, which I think reflects a general malaise in the use of 'people power'. It's another reason why I've been disappointed in the vote-jumpers like Hippo etc. Even if you don't have 1 vote, it should still be used wisely, and it seems people are often content not to put the effort in to making good decisions... (think I ended up going a bit ot there, but the principle still holds true methinks)

[jak111]

I'll accede to your point that some of the votes were indicative of a lack of participation by the interest, which I think reflects a general malaise in the use of 'people power'. It's another reason why I've been disappointed in the vote-jumpers like Hippo etc. Even if you don't have 1 vote, it should still be used wisely, and it seems people are often content not to put the effort in to making good decisions... (think I ended up going a bit ot there, but the principle still holds true methinks)

This is what I'm trying to get at in an unclear sort of way I guess. That people don't bother using their single vote wisely sometimes. Yea I get that sometimes you're on a bandwagon and trying to get info, but unless someone pointed out that their 100% scum or at least pretty close, they should have something to say in why they believe you are. Even a one line post would be more than saying up front you don't wanna say what others have said. Hell, it'd be useful if you did say what others have said, I can guarantee that your point of view is not exactly the same as another person's view, so give a bit of your own insight on things.

[skillfusniper33]

Sorry about being inactive, but my semester is winding down and finals are next week (oh Joy...). Since this has been day 1 I decided to put this mafia on the backburner for a few days to get some studying done.

But I have caught up. To start I find it a little suspicious that Doom outed himself to save Jak especially since it was so early on. I also wasn't on that wagon reading through the posts today. Yes he was all over the place with a few things, but in the past he has been a very good scum hunter and I don't want to loose him on day 1. I believe that their is a very strong chance for a masoned group in this game.

I do agree with pressuring the inactives a bit, and don't have any issue with you guys putting some pressure on me. If I were active I would have agreed with Jak earlier to help get some more opinions in the game.

@ Some7thing I am not sure if you have played any games with jonty, but he has a nack for posting mainly 1 liners (if I remember right someone built a case on him for it).

Unvote since my vote was just a joke vote anyway.

I am not sure how I am liking Neb's play at this point since he has been very harsh on people who were on his BW early. I am not sure if I believe his VT claim since it could cover up so many roles, and requires so little to prove. But I am willing to put it off to the side for now, we may be able to get some more info later depending on how he plays it out.

I will try to stay on top of this for the next week or so, but no guarantees with finals right around the corner. I also don't really want to be replaced since I will have time once finals are over with.