Matrix Mafia Endgame, Town and Survivors win!

[Some7hingCLEVER]

For inactives or non contributers (or small ones) we have: (also sort by author to confirm this)
~ CMS who hasn't contributed much in the last couple of days besides jumping on the band wagon a few days ago and then continuing to pressure JG before just making random posts to seem active)
~ Eldario whom has 7 posts to date. His last post was 3 days ago.
~ MoB whom since the Diablo beta is over, we expect to see him post within the next day or so.
~ Skillfulsniper who hasn't posted since 4 days ago. Has only 7 posts to date.
~ Soundman with 8 posts to date. 2 posts on the 20th and before that he last posted on the 17th in the joke vote still.

So in conclusion, none of you can tell me you've had your eyes anywhere but for me. None of you noticed really 5 inactives? NO ONE?!?

I clearly stated that I would be away this weekend, and yesterday went to rereading this and another game, so even thou I will admit that I have not contributed much, as S7C states, I would not call myself inactive

ok i agree and see you stated that but what about days before that you said nothing that matters to the game to date and its ridiculous. if you were active and posting substance before than i wouldnt have minded. but you havent said anything.

Anyone wishing to fight my statement above, point out where you mentioned any of those 5 or someone else since the beginning of the wagon on me. I bet not a single one of you can.

Well should we discuss the guy who is being scummy or turn a blind eye and just randomly pick on the quiet one ?

jonty125- OMG...ONE LINES??? EVERYSINGLE ONE OF HIS DAMN POST ARE ONE OR TWO LINERS AND I JUST CANT HELP BUT LAUGH ITS SO DUMB

A post doesn't have to have many lines to be of substance. I don't have loads to say, its D1.

agreed it doesnt but maybe if the ONE line had substance thats fine i just rechecked and all i saw was you repeating something else someone said and a semi serious vote. thats it. if thats not inactive i dont know what is.

Ok, I'm glad you got cleared Jak, but all I'd like to say before we put your case to bed is that if you want to stop acting scummy, consider not omgus'ing everyone that voted for you as well?
Anyway, I don't mind going for an active D1, Clever put in a nice list, where can we get some momentum
(BW ) started? Because there really isn't much to go on, despite jak's bazillion and 1 cases he's boasting on?

What was my fluffiness again exactly clever?

lol i have no idea i just noticed it didnt make any sense but since i didnt highlight you in red i dont think it made me suspect you very much it was probably just you saying something about the movie or repeating what someone said.

@ Some7thing I am not sure if you have played any games with jonty, but he has a nack for posting mainly 1 liners (if I remember right someone built a case on him for it).

honestly i dont care if thats how he plays in other games. its one thing if he says one liners of substance , i would be fine with that. but its another to say no substance. later maybe ill post all of his posts to save everyone the time of doing it and you can all see what i mean.

[Some7hingCLEVER]

Sorry I'm late vote betiko

EBWOP

just a joke vote

Alright well...The guy who switches his vote the most often is Neb..And he has a bunch of votes on him already..

I'Ll just FOS: Nub for now

Oh and Vote: Dazza cause he's tied with others.

Semi serious vote on unvote vote freezie. For saying she would vote the largest shifter, and then not adding her vote. (WIFOM - afraid to look like joining BW)

the semi serious vote.

I didn't joke voted..
My vote was

Erm, I think this needs finishing.

no substance what so ever

I ain't going to join the Neb wagon. Still 12 days to deadline so no need to push case with the most support.

no substance

unvote vote thehippo. His vote is flip-flopping worse than a wet flip-flop. He votes edoc, next post unvotes. And then the pressure moves on to IB and he votes IB.

this has some substance but really the only one that does.

unvote vote thehippo. His vote is flip-flopping worse than a wet flip-flop. He votes edoc, next post unvotes. And then the pressure moves on to IB and he votes IB.

Skim much?

No, he decides to vote edoc, edoc posts once and he immediately retreats.

a little but really says nothing at all. defending himself a little ill give him that one.

I know he does that. I just explained earlier in the page about that just apparently being his default game play and it's not worth getting on him because the real worry would be if he actually did change his gamestyle, but I guess this could all just be me meta-gaming

I know, that hippo's vote flips a lot but this is extreme, even for hippo.

ehhh i guess this is like a half substance post it says his reasoning for his vote on hippo which should have already been said so he is really just repeating himself.

That's why we can get info, if their active, they'll speak >:)

State the obvious. Anyhow, not all those who are on 'no vote' are inactive (like freezie said). So, what was this post trying to accomplish?

obviously just saying something else someone else said.

If you must pursue me, then at least stop at L-2 so I can defend myself.

Well I doubt, we would have continued.

Anyhow, unvote vote jak for reasons that others have mentioned multiple times. Also (joke coming), for confusing me with claim in the wrong game.

jumps on a bandwagon has no reson for his vote of his own just kinda jumps on the bandwagon


so tell me if i missed anything in that? if you honestly think you have been posting substance then your wrong.

[Nebuchadnezer]

Okay, don't want Some7hingCLEVER doing all the work...Here's a case on Eldario. What's the case? His complete and utter inactivity and lack of any type of input.

confirming

Post #1 confirming.

freezie, iron butterfly, eldario, roussalier, jonty haven't showed up yet; and if they did I didn't notice them. i give them a couple of days then i ll grab and won't let go if they keep submarining

actually i did so up a while ago, but nvm
VOte Neb because the real Nebuchadnezzar would never expose itself willingly, hence you cant be it, hence you are lying, hence scum...

Post #2. Joke Vote.

I'm going to be away during the weekend, but despise that my vote on Neb was a jokevote, it seams that some interesting points have been made (and in the matter of Tank not being a VT, I'm a bit unsure but I'm leaning towards agreeing on that theory), I will consider this during the day, and decide before tomorrow if I should unvote during the weekend, thou I am not completely convinced of Nebs guilt

Post #3. He'll think about things.

unvote

Post #4. The BW fell apart on me, so he unvotes.

my thoughts.

neb-he was pushed to a claim didnt wanna claim at first but then he did. he claims vt and then i guess thats were everyone unvotes. but i guess noone believes it. and i dont see why what evidence says he is lieing? none really your playing the mod and that will screw up the game. so until otherwise proven of his innocence i will unvote

IB-ok i didnt really get if there was a case on him? is it just inactive hunting?

and i think someone has me voted me and i dont know why (i replaced Rossalier if thats how its spelt) so if someone had something on him can i be told so i can try to defend against it.

the rules clearly states that votes and unvotes must be bold to count, so redo and do right, if your unvote were sincere

Post #5. Clearly useless.

my thoughts.

neb-he was pushed to a claim didnt wanna claim at first but then he did. he claims vt and then i guess thats were everyone unvotes. but i guess noone believes it. and i dont see why what evidence says he is lieing? none really your playing the mod and that will screw up the game. so until otherwise proven of his innocence i will unvote

IB-ok i didnt really get if there was a case on him? is it just inactive hunting?

and i think someone has me voted me and i dont know why (i replaced Rossalier if thats how its spelt) so if someone had something on him can i be told so i can try to defend against it.

the rules clearly states that votes and unvotes must be bold to count, so redo and do right, if your unvote were sincere

I am pretty sure Saf will count it like that. He is not a dickhead.

Is this your contribution to the discussion. Nice.

I know, I tried to be funny but I'm very tired, sorry if I offended someone

Post #6. Clearly useless.

For inactives or non contributers (or small ones) we have: (also sort by author to confirm this)
~ CMS who hasn't contributed much in the last couple of days besides jumping on the band wagon a few days ago and then continuing to pressure JG before just making random posts to seem active)
~ Eldario whom has 7 posts to date. His last post was 3 days ago.
~ MoB whom since the Diablo beta is over, we expect to see him post within the next day or so.
~ Skillfulsniper who hasn't posted since 4 days ago. Has only 7 posts to date.
~ Soundman with 8 posts to date. 2 posts on the 20th and before that he last posted on the 17th in the joke vote still.

So in conclusion, none of you can tell me you've had your eyes anywhere but for me. None of you noticed really 5 inactives? NO ONE?!?

I clearly stated that I would be away this weekend, and yesterday went to rereading this and another game, so even thou I will admit that I have not contributed much, as S7C states, I would not call myself inactive

Post #7. Great, you said you'd be away. Based on all 7 posts, I would call you inactive.

I stabbed in the dark with a vote on him before...but he's really not doing anything at all. I don't know how he's claiming that he's not inactive...

[everywhere116]

All that work and not even a vote?

[DoomYoshi]

Clever just brought it. Unfortunately, eldrio's play fits his meta perfectly.

[Nebuchadnezer]

Clever just brought it. Unfortunately, eldrio's play fits his meta perfectly.

And you're okay with this level of contribution?

[Nebuchadnezer]

All that work and not even a vote?

Lol...it was 7 posts...took 5 minutes.

But sure...VOTE Eldario again...

[DoomYoshi]

Clever just brought it. Unfortunately, eldrio's play fits his meta perfectly.

And you're okay with this level of contribution?

I am not ok with it, it bothers me immensely. I will gladly jump over to the eldario wagon except hippo is dropping bombs left, right and centre.

[cowboyz]

Clever just brought it. Unfortunately, eldrio's play fits his meta perfectly.

And you're okay with this level of contribution?

I am not ok with it, it bothers me immensely. I will gladly jump over to the eldario wagon except hippo is dropping bombs left, right and centre.

I'm down for pressuring some info out of one of these 2.

Vote Hippo

While eldario hasn't said much at all, the case hippo made was retarded at best.

[Nebuchadnezer]

Then we need a vote count here...

[everywhere116]

Clever just brought it. Unfortunately, eldrio's play fits his meta perfectly.

And you're okay with this level of contribution?

I am not ok with it, it bothers me immensely. I will gladly jump over to the eldario wagon except hippo is dropping bombs left, right and centre.

I want to jump onto the hippo train with you, but, can you clarify why you think he is scummy? What are these bombs you speak of?

[safariguy5]

Vote Count

Neb(3)- cm5, mob, edoc
dazza(1)- freezie
hippo(4)- sound, doom, dazza, cowboyz
jak(2)- jonty, spart
betiko(1)- hippo
sniper(1)- jak
jonty(1)- clever
eldario(1)- neb


With 24 alive, it takes 13 to lynch.

Deadline is midnight May 1st, PST. If no lynch is decided by then, the day will end in a no lynch.

[Nebuchadnezer]

Vote Count

Neb(3)- cm5, mob, edoc
dazza(1)- freezie
hippo(4)- sound, doom, dazza, cowboyz
jak(2)- jonty, spart
betiko(1)- hippo
sniper(1)- jak
jonty(1)- clever
eldario(1)- neb


With 24 alive, it takes 13 to lynch.

Deadline is midnight May 1st, PST. If no lynch is decided by then, the day will end in a no lynch.

Why are jonty and SPART still voting jak111? Jonty's been on since he claimed...so has SPART, I think...come on guys, pay attention.

[everywhere116]

Vote Count

Neb(3)- cm5, mob, edoc
dazza(1)- freezie
hippo(4)- sound, doom, dazza, cowboyz
jak(2)- jonty, spart
betiko(1)- hippo
sniper(1)- jak
jonty(1)- clever
eldario(1)- neb


With 24 alive, it takes 13 to lynch.

Deadline is midnight May 1st, PST. If no lynch is decided by then, the day will end in a no lynch.

Why are jonty and SPART still voting jak111? Jonty's been on since he claimed...so has SPART, I think...come on guys, pay attention.

I believe that's an issue of inactivity, not inattention.

[Nebuchadnezer]

Vote Count

Neb(3)- cm5, mob, edoc
dazza(1)- freezie
hippo(4)- sound, doom, dazza, cowboyz
jak(2)- jonty, spart
betiko(1)- hippo
sniper(1)- jak
jonty(1)- clever
eldario(1)- neb


With 24 alive, it takes 13 to lynch.

Deadline is midnight May 1st, PST. If no lynch is decided by then, the day will end in a no lynch.

Why are jonty and SPART still voting jak111? Jonty's been on since he claimed...so has SPART, I think...come on guys, pay attention.

I believe that's an issue of inactivity, not inattention.

I checked. Doom clears jak on the bottom of page 30. jonty posts on pg 33 defending his one-liners...no unvote.

SPARTACUS has not posted since.

The inactives frustrate me to no end...

[MoB Deadly]

Holy christtt... caught up from page 20 I think... It was a blur, its so hard to try to keep tabs on everyone.

For the Record: I did not believe Tank as a VT, before the mason claims. I think Tank is too important of a character to just be a VT. And I do not think it is scummy to "play the mod" as long as that is not the driving reason to lynch someone. I don't think Neb needs to be lynched today. He is arguably one of the most contributing players right now, I just want to note his claim, and we can hang him later if we really do not believe him. The 2 mason softclaims, now persuade me to believe neb even more. The only way I see Neb getting lynched, is if we have a few other power roles all claim, and the VT would be the safest lynch. With 2 mason's claimed, he could be, but if he keeps up his detective work and active posting, I would have a hard time throwing my vote on him.

No we should NOT try to make them tell us their names, because mafia could try to use them as a fakeclaim, and those two masons can catch them.

Also, Edocsil listed a whole bunch of important characters, that I did not immediately remember. That definitely lowers Tank's value, and he could very well be just a VT.

---
My case is a weak one, but I want to contribute. I want to look at the voters that jumped on Hippo AND Jonty. Let's face it, a lot of players know Hippo plays odd and can see scummy in every game. Mafia will use that to try to get an easy lynch.

Vote Count

Neb(6)- Skillfu, eldario, everywhere, cm5, mob, edoc
betiko(1)- cowboyz
dazza(1)- freezie
eldario(2)- Neb, yoshi
hippo(2)- sound, jonty
IB(1)- betiko
MoB(1)- hippo

With 24 alive, it takes 13 to lynch.

Deadline is midnight May 1st, PST. If no lynch is decided by then, the day will end in a no lynch.

Jonty was there.


Then the big bandwagon against Jak started. I think Jonty got impatient and voted to lynch him as well

Was just counting votes and you fastposted me. We were at 11.

I'll go ahead and post for reference.
Bandwagon on Jak
dazza2008
IB
betiko
neb
hippo
everywhere
DJfireside
shield
jonty
spartacus
chuck

If you must pursue me, then at least stop at L-2 so I can defend myself.

Well I doubt, we would have continued.


Anyhow, unvote vote jak for reasons that others have mentioned multiple times. Also (joke coming), for confusing me with claim in the wrong game.

He just piggybacked on everyone elses reasoning. His position on the wagon also has me suspicious


unvote Vote jonty

[MoB Deadly]

Why are jonty and SPART still voting jak111? Jonty's been on since he claimed...so has SPART, I think...come on guys, pay attention.

I believe that's an issue of inactivity, not inattention.[/quote]

I checked. Doom clears jak on the bottom of page 30. jonty posts on pg 33 defending his one-liners...no unvote.
[/quote]

Oh..... he was called out already on it.. I missed that part.. Honestly I hit a reading wall after I got through doom defending Jak.

This was his response for everyone to see. It definitely a laughable excuse for posting one liners. Everyone is on Day 1 like you, and not everyone is posting 1 liners

Anyone wishing to fight my statement above, point out where you mentioned any of those 5 or someone else since the beginning of the wagon on me. I bet not a single one of you can.

Well should we discuss the guy who is being scummy or turn a blind eye and just randomly pick on the quiet one ?

jonty125- OMG...ONE LINES??? EVERYSINGLE ONE OF HIS DAMN POST ARE ONE OR TWO LINERS AND I JUST CANT HELP BUT LAUGH ITS SO DUMB

A post doesn't have to have many lines to be of substance. I don't have loads to say, its D1.

[thehippo8]

@ MoB - thanks - at least someone gets me!

@ Doom - What are you on about, the BW on me is drivel ... and you know it. If you want to criticise me brief case and explanation as to why I voted Betico then go ahead. I'd be interested in seeing how you go about that.

@ town - be really careful in this game! The case on jonty seems valid to me, but I'm keeping my vote on Betico for now because once y'all go back and look you may see what I see. Otherwise, go with the jonty case as it seems most valid.

[thehippo8]

EBWOP

@ Neb - thanks - at least someone gets me!

@ Doom - What are you on about, the BW on me is drivel ... and you know it. If you want to criticise me brief case and explanation as to why I voted Betico then go ahead. I'd be interested in seeing how you go about that.

@ town - be really careful in this game! The case on jonty seems valid to me, but I'm keeping my vote on Betico for now because once y'all go back and look you may see what I see. Otherwise, go with the jonty case as it seems most valid.

ANZAC day here. Very tired and having a lazy day ... lol. I didn't mean to mix up Neb and MoB (like that is ever possible ).

[dazza2008]

@ town - be really careful in this game! The case on jonty seems valid to me, but I'm keeping my vote on Betico for now because once y'all go back and look you may see what I see. Otherwise, go with the jonty case as it seems most valid.

Well I don't see it. You linked 3 players who spoke to each other. I tried to clear up a post by edoc to help betiko understand his point and it helped him and sparticus understand.

I think you need to explain your case not ask us to look back at it. I have looked back at it and it is the worst case I have ever seen. One of them may be scum but your case is f*ck all mate.

[shieldgenerator7]

I don't get hippo's case, and I don't like 'Go back and you may see what I see." Your job in making cases is not to have each individual player look through to try and see what you see, your job in making cases is to bring all the evidence together so we don't all have to go back and waste our time. And if we don't see what you see, you should give us something so we can better understand. Rarely going back to "try and see what you see' results in the same perspectives among different players, and sharing perspectives is the goal of making cases.

However I will not vote hippo as I want to see more activity from Eldario. VOTE ELDARIO
He is more inactive than jonty, otherwise I would be voting jonty as well.

-SG7 ( )

[Leehar]

If you're not supposed to look back and see what others see, then what was wrong with doom exposing the doc in matrix mafia?

[shieldgenerator7]

If you're not supposed to look back and see what others see, then what was wrong with doom exposing the doc in matrix mafia?

The doc softclaim wasn't a case. It was info that was to be kept hidden from mafia. When you make a case against someone, you don't say "I think S7C is scummy, go back and see what I mean." No, you don't. You say, "S7C is scummy for such and such reasons, he might be SK," etc. They're too different things, making cases and exposing power roles' softclaims.

That's the main reason I don't like hippo's case on betiko. He tells you to go back and change your opinion without giving you anything at all. However, he is relatively active so for now I'm pressuring inactives.

-SG7 ( )

[shieldgenerator7]

Also Leehar, your post of the day consisted of a one-liner in response to something more game-general than specific to this game. NOTED Your last post (yesterday) was also more speculation on.... Oh nevermind. I'm being to analytical/cynical here. You're not really doing anything scummy. Carry on.

-SG7 ( )

[dazza2008]

I think pressuring inactives is the way to go if there is nothing else. There is something else here though and I think Hippo needs to explain what his case is or just admit he has none then we can move on.

I don't like to pressure inactives when someone is acting scummy.