HP: fight for freedom. Game over. Wizards won.

[everywhere116]

Well, they picked the absolute worst person to kill. Vote IB

[Nebuchadnezer]

Well, they picked the absolute worst person to kill. Vote IB

Why are you voting Iron? He was the one getting the guilty on Dazza...are you nuts?

I agree that Hippo had killed himself during the evening, with his erratic and just plain stupid comments...but you coming out and voting the one guy that outed Dazza from the start is almost as poorly played as Hippo's comments...

[everywhere116]

Are you really asking me that?

[Nebuchadnezer]

Are you answering my question with a question?

I know this game has been on hold a while, but did I miss something major here? Did my memory completely fail me? Please fill me in...

[everywhere116]

Hippo! Are you serious? You blocked iron on day one????? Then he is lying...there is no way he could get a result on dazza night one! How did you not push for his lynch? Did I completely miss something?

Ring a bell?

[Nebuchadnezer]

Hippo! Are you serious? You blocked iron on day one????? Then he is lying...there is no way he could get a result on dazza night one! How did you not push for his lynch? Did I completely miss something?

Ring a bell?

Oh, man...too late at night...totally skipped that. You're right...

vote Iron Butterfly

[Iron Butterfly]

Its good I have insomnia.

First lets go back a bit. Mafia knew I was on to them about Dazza. Their Bus driver was targeted. The only option they have/had is to try and discredit the messenger. Everywhere, from the moment I stated that Dazza was scum has posted pretty much nonsense non sequitur posts or complete WIFOM to discredit me. Read his posts.

In mafia its hard as hell to prove something no one else knows. I was cleared as a Deatheater by Chapcrap AND I proved Dazza was scum. I have more validity to my claim then anyone has. We still have no clue who or what MC is and hes been hiding his head.

The argument now is that Hippo says he blocked me day One and Two and Neb day three. I already said I was blocked day two and Hippo said he blocked me day two. Thats another point for me.

I was not blocked on day one as I got Dazza. There is also no reason for Hippo to lie either. Hippos night action obviously was interfered with. But hey lets play WIFOM some more shall we.

Hippo blocked Neb on Night three. We had no Mafia kills night three. GEE does that make Neb Mafia or does that mean there are more blockers? HHmmmm.

I find it extremely scummy that from the gate Everywhere starts a speed wagon without thorough discussion and I am frankly very surprised that NEB jumped on it as well. ALOT happened those last two pages. I have looked several times at what transpired since I claimed. Im sure several of you have as well. There is lots of telling information...at 2 am im too tired.

So let me be the first to poke a pole in that weak ass excuse for a bandwagon.

[everywhere116]

Its good I have insomnia.

First lets go back a bit. Mafia knew I was on to them about Dazza. Their Bus driver was targeted. The only option they have/had is to try and discredit the messenger. Everywhere, from the moment I stated that Dazza was scum has posted pretty much nonsense non sequitur posts or complete WIFOM to discredit me. Read his posts.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by this. How is this relevant?

In mafia its hard as hell to prove something no one else knows. I was cleared as a Deatheater by Chapcrap AND I proved Dazza was scum. I have more validity to my claim then anyone has. We still have no clue who or what MC is and hes been hiding his head.

Chap said that you were "Not a Wizard" and then later said that your centaur claim was one of the few he would have accepted. I, however, never accepted your claim. Although I would like you to clarify something, because I don't think some people quite understand: Are you pro-town or third party?

MC is James Potter, double voter. Who questions that after everything that has happened?

The argument now is that Hippo says he blocked me day One and Two and Neb day three. I already said I was blocked day two and Hippo said he blocked me day two. Thats another point for me.

So, for night 2, did you get no PM from freezie, or did you get one saying that you were blocked?

I was not blocked on day one as I got Dazza. There is also no reason for Hippo to lie either. Hippos night action obviously was interfered with. But hey lets play WIFOM some more shall we.

I'm not quite sure how. The only other explanation I can think of is that you were driven with jonty, but that would also implicate you as a deatheater.

Hippo blocked Neb on Night three. We had no Mafia kills night three. GEE does that make Neb Mafia or does that mean there are more blockers? HHmmmm.

There were a lot of things that could have saved someone's life N3.

I find it extremely scummy that from the gate Everywhere starts a speed wagon without thorough discussion and I am frankly very surprised that NEB jumped on it as well. ALOT happened those last two pages. I have looked several times at what transpired since I claimed. Im sure several of you have as well. There is lots of telling information...at 2 am im too tired.

I don't see how it's scummy or surprising since I already said what I was going to do yesterday.

[Iron Butterfly]

My first paragraph is extremely relevant. You think Mafia is going to sit quietly by and let me take down their bus driver? The only thing they can do is try and drag me down first. This is the biggest post argument you have made since I claimed. Up until this point you've made silly one line comments...you even tried to push the the idea that I was Voldemort suggesting I was sacrificing Dazza.

Hippo gets killed and the first thing you do is jump on me. Yes you were going to "Bring the Battle" to me....but I was already in its center. Hippo acted completely crazy and contradictary...BUT he said everything he needed, who he blocked. If I were mafia someone killing Hippo would solve nothing as his information was already revealed.

Your last two paragraphs contradict each other. You cant have it both ways.

You only have one explanation on why I could not have been blocked on night one IF that is what happened? YET you say there were alot of things that could have happened night three.

I am PRO TOWN.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Iron Butterfly is clear. I am Lily Potter, Wizard Watcher.

N1 I watched thehippo, nobody visited him.
N2 I watched spartacus, nobody visited him.
N3 I watched chapcrap, he was visited by pcm. At this point, I guessed pcm was a roleblocker, was leaning toward scum but didn't have proof.
N4 I watched Iron Butterfly, he was visited by both thehippo and pcm. I figured then that pcm was scum, and since hippo turned up town roleblocker that only proved my suspicion.

So yeah, IB is clear. I am suspicious of everywhere as well since he's so eager for IB's lynch.

vote pcm

-Tails

[mc05025]

Iron Butterfly is clear. I am Lily Potter, Wizard Watcher.

N1 I watched thehippo, nobody visited him.
N2 I watched spartacus, nobody visited him.
N3 I watched chapcrap, he was visited by pcm. At this point, I guessed pcm was a roleblocker, was leaning toward scum but didn't have proof.
N4 I watched Iron Butterfly, he was visited by both thehippo and pcm. I figured then that pcm was scum, and since hippo turned up town roleblocker that only proved my suspicion.

So yeah, IB is clear. I am suspicious of everywhere as well since he's so eager for IB's lynch.

vote pcm

-Tails

At last I am finding you again honey

who is pcm???

[mc05025]

He should be pancakemix.

So

As soon as there is James Potter and Sneip was Jealous etc I am pretty sure there is Lily Potter to in the game. So I believe him except there is a counter claim

IB reviled Dazza out of nowhere. So he is innocent to me for the time being
pcm does seems a bit scummy.

vote pancakemix

[strike wolf]

I believe Tails is lying. I visited Thehippo night 1. Vote Tails

[Nebuchadnezer]

unvote

I should have just gone to bed last night. I do think iron is town.

1. He called out dazza.
2. If he was mafia, and wanted to look town, he'd give up a mafia grunt, not a bus driver...that's a huge role.

as for the rest of you, please take into consideration that there was one mafia bus driver, so there could also be a town driver...which could mess with your results. there's a lot of snap voting going (which I was part of), but we should not jump to conclusions.

[pancakemix]

You're leaping quite a few steps there, tails. Although I guess as far as defenses go, I think this says it all:

I believe Tails is lying. I visited Thehippo night 1. Vote Tails

Vote Tails

[strike wolf]

For the portion of nebs post that relates to my last post.

1. I know for a fact I was not role blocked n1.
2. If hippo had been busdriven. Tails would see the busdriver and would still see me as he would also have his target switched.

[spiesr]

Iron Butterfly, what did you do last night, and what result came of it?

First lets go back a bit. Mafia knew I was on to them about Dazza. Their Bus driver was targeted. The only option they have/had is to try and discredit the messenger. Everywhere, from the moment I stated that Dazza was scum has posted pretty much nonsense non sequitur posts or complete WIFOM to discredit me. Read his posts.

I somewhat disagree with this assessment. In such a situation, unless we were at LYOL, then Dazza was pretty much doomed no matter how you slice it. If you were lynched Day 4 and came up as having told the truth about your role, then he would definitely be lynched the next day. At that point it seems like the mafia would have to simply write Dazza off. I mean sure they would prefer you to be lynched that day, as it is one more night he can use his power and one more miss lynch, and they may try to influence events to favor your lynch. However, the risks associated with being caught strongly pushing for your lynch make such an action on their part to be not exactly the most favorable option.

We still have no clue who or what MC is and hes been hiding his head.

Well, he claimed Double Voter and was able to prove that he (or at the very least someone supporting him) has the ability to cast an extra vote. He has currently claimed Jame Potter as his character, and while the circumstance surrounding his claim are a mire of astoundingly poor decisions, Spartacus2's final actions seem to support his claim. I wouldn't really say that all this equals "We still have no clue who or what MC is." I do agree that he has been not nearly active enough and certainly not helpful though.

as for the rest of you, please take into consideration that there was one mafia bus driver, so there could also be a town driver...which could mess with your results. there's a lot of snap voting going (which I was part of), but we should not jump to conclusions.

I certainly hope not. Having two busdrivers in the same game is a nightmare for sorting out night actions. (For the mod as well.)

Iron Butterfly is clear. I am Lily Potter, Wizard Watcher.

N1 I watched thehippo, nobody visited him.
N2 I watched spartacus, nobody visited him.
N3 I watched chapcrap, he was visited by pcm. At this point, I guessed pcm was a roleblocker, was leaning toward scum but didn't have proof.
N4 I watched Iron Butterfly, he was visited by both thehippo and pcm. I figured then that pcm was scum, and since hippo turned up town roleblocker that only proved my suspicion.

How does this actually clear Iron Butterfly, or indicate Pancakemix is scum?

[everywhere116]

My first paragraph is extremely relevant. You think Mafia is going to sit quietly by and let me take down their bus driver? The only thing they can do is try and drag me down first. This is the biggest post argument you have made since I claimed. Up until this point you've made silly one line comments...you even tried to push the the idea that I was Voldemort suggesting I was sacrificing Dazza.

Hippo gets killed and the first thing you do is jump on me. Yes you were going to "Bring the Battle" to me....but I was already in its center. Hippo acted completely crazy and contradictary...BUT he said everything he needed, who he blocked. If I were mafia someone killing Hippo would solve nothing as his information was already revealed.

Your last two paragraphs contradict each other. You cant have it both ways.

You only have one explanation on why I could not have been blocked on night one IF that is what happened? YET you say there were alot of things that could have happened night three.

I am PRO TOWN.

Well, this certainly casts doubt on my suspicions. I would like to point out that your wrong about one thing: I CAN have it both ways. How many things can save a life? Doctors, roleblockers, jailkeepers, bulletproofs, etc, all of which we have no idea if they are or are not out there, witht he exception of the roleblocker. How many things can interfere with a roleblocker? Bus drivers and depending on the mod, another role blocker.

Iron Butterfly is clear. I am Lily Potter, Wizard Watcher.

N1 I watched thehippo, nobody visited him.
N2 I watched spartacus, nobody visited him.
N3 I watched chapcrap, he was visited by pcm. At this point, I guessed pcm was a roleblocker, was leaning toward scum but didn't have proof.
N4 I watched Iron Butterfly, he was visited by both thehippo and pcm. I figured then that pcm was scum, and since hippo turned up town roleblocker that only proved my suspicion.

So yeah, IB is clear. I am suspicious of everywhere as well since he's so eager for IB's lynch.

vote pcm

-Tails

How did you get to the conclusion that PCM was a roleblocker from this set of actions? And how does that clear IB?

[strike wolf]

Any opinion regarding my statement? As far as IB, I think the case is fairly strong but I believe there are enough mitigating possibilities to make the evidence against Ta1lgunn3r stronger than that against him. I also feel that there was a decent jump Ta1ls made when accusing panckae.

[everywhere116]

Any opinion regarding my statement? As far as IB, I think the case is fairly strong but I believe there are enough mitigating possibilities to make the evidence against Ta1lgunn3r stronger than that against him. I also feel that there was a decent jump Ta1ls made when accusing panckae.

At this point it becomes your word against his. You are right, both of your statements contradict each other with no hope of reconciliation.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

My first night action I was told that thehippo visited nobody. I assumed it was a typo. The second night I received the same thing, so I asked freezie about it because I believed that he may have been sending me tracker actions. He said it was a typo.

You're leaping quite a few steps there, tails.

How does this actually clear Iron Butterfly, or indicate Pancakemix is scum?

How did you get to the conclusion that PCM was a roleblocker from this set of actions? And how does that clear IB?

Well, I am told of each person who visits my target. N3 pancake visited chap (the only person), and chap was blocked and couldn't use his track action. That's why I asked:

Just got word that I still had my tracking power... So, I must have been blocked last night. Probably by the mafia because they found out I was on to them.

Is there any way you can prove this?

-Tails

Since pancake was the only person to visit chap N3, then ergo he's a roleblocker (or maybe busdriver). Roleblocker makes more sense since chap was onto the scum.

And, since Iron Butterfly still has his kill action, he's good target for mafia block. So there's no leaps in logic, it's actually quite deductive.

-Tails

[strike wolf]

Ah ok...I admit I I got your night 3 and 4 actions confused. Still Pancake could be a jailer or a similar role. Also I'm pretty sure I'm not the one who made that statement you quoted.

[Djfireside]

While I think there is still some points on IB, there is enough plausible reasons that he could have skated through it all. Do I think he is scum... I believe so but the case before us seems to bring that to a halt.

He is where I believe we are.

We have Tails claiming out of blue and springing to the defense of IB which caught me a bit off but okay. Fully stating who he watched.

We have Strike who states that he visited theHippo night one and since hippo didnt block him and he is adament he didnt get busdriven, states Tails is lying.

IB has their points which everyone has stated. Hippo being all over him from the start, and stating he blocked him night 1 and 2 and keeping on him through night 2 pushing after him. With Hippo blocking him night one leaves us to wonder how he knew about dazza.

So what could have happened? If strike is telling the truth....

If Hippo was roleblocked, Strike and IB are clear, Tails is guilty

If Hippo was Busdriven, Tails should have seen him I believe and would be guilty and so would IB.

If IB was busdriven, he would be cleared cause roleblock would have hit elsewhere but tails still looks guilty.


Strike doesnt appear to be pushing his statement which apparently would hold alot of weight but let it slide a few times, if he is truthful then I think tails is in a bad place but this all happened in such a weird way I need time to deduce better logic .

[strike wolf]

Don't think I let it slip but as Everywhere it's basically his word against mine until I have time to go back and see if I can't come up with a better case (no promises there, I still need to read back through some things in my other game). To be specific, I am adament that I was not sucessfully role blocked. Tails and IB could easily go hand and hand as far as scum is concerned.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

So what could have happened? If strike is telling the truth....

If Hippo was roleblocked, Strike and IB are clear, Tails is guilty

If Hippo was Busdriven, Tails should have seen him I believe and would be guilty and so would IB.

If IB was busdriven, he would be cleared cause roleblock would have hit elsewhere but tails still looks guilty.

My first night action I was told that thehippo visited nobody. I assumed it was a typo. The second night I received the same thing, so I asked freezie about it because I believed that he may have been sending me tracker actions. He said it was a typo.

tl;dr I'm pretty sure I got a tracker action N1 due to a mod mix up.

So, for everyone who's saying I'm suspicious.... why would I claim? What benefit would I have by claiming and clearing IB? It's ridiculous at this point to think that IB is scum. Third party, maybe, but he's shown himself pro-town. Anybody who's voting for IB probably has an agenda or they haven't been following the game.

Ah ok...I admit I I got your night 3 and 4 actions confused. Still Pancake could be a jailer or a similar role. Also I'm pretty sure I'm not the one who made that statement you quoted.

Possible. Although his choice of targets speaks otherwise, I believe.

-Tails