Matrix Mafia Endgame, Town and Survivors win!

[betiko]

cowboyz; it's just a gut feeling. I just think that he might have been less concerned about his own inactiveness this game being a vt. i think that a mafia would try to post just enough to slip through the net or just ask for replacement, knowing he would screw his fellow scummates by being almost completely inactive due to RL, just a thought.
Also he claimed a name, there are 24 characters in here and it hasn't been counterclaimed (even if someone suggested not to).. and it's possible that vts are all inhabitants from zion, it fits.
lock/locke is spelled the 2 ways; however he would've wrote it we could've said something after googleing it. I just think there are strong chances that both vt claims are true and that saf has put lots of vts in here.
looking at futurama or night before christmas, he usually puts around 25% vts because it gives good balance to games.
I think on day 1 though it's better not to expose roles before the night, and if we found some vts, and one is not particularly contributing, well be it and i'm kind of ok to lynch him. but just saying that i'm really not convinced we caught a scum.

fastposted.

[jak111]

Vote Count

Neb(6)- Skillfu, eldario, everywhere, cm5, mob, edoc
betiko(1)- cowboyz
dazza(1)- freezie
eldario(2)- Neb, yoshi
hippo(2)- sound, jonty
IB(1)- betiko
MoB(1)- hippo

With 24 alive, it takes 13 to lynch.

Deadline is midnight May 1st, PST. If no lynch is decided by then, the day will end in a no lynch.

3. jak111
5. Iron Butterfly
8. Leehar
9. skillfusniper33
12. Eldario
13. SPARTACUS1974
14. Djfireside
15. dazza2008
19. Roussallier replaced by Some7hingClever
21. shieldgenerator7
22. thechuck51
23. ghostly447

12 people not voting... Hmm, anyone think we should squeeze out one or two information spoils? I'd go with IB, Dazza, Betiko, or Eldario if anyone agrees on one of them to squeeze some info out, hmm?

All 4 people that are 'not voting' are actually speaking and voicing their thoughts. I see no reason to pressure them for 'not voting' when they are contributing. Especially since dazza clearly posted her itentions...

But I am still waiting on Neb's answer to my question, before I take another route.

Small note actually. I was not posting because I didnt have time to play. Though I do not in any way see where I voiced my thoughts. I think freezie may be trying to act like s/he is giving input when, obviously, unless I am misunderstanding, is not true input.

I may have misworded my thoughts. I meant, the 4 people that Jak called out were seemingly active, even though they didn't casted their vote yet. You weren't called my Jak in those 4 people.

I just want to clarify this before the day is over. Only 3 of the 4 were not voting, it would be my mere chance if all 4 were unvoters of that list. I had a feeling about IB whom was on my list, Eldario was inactive in general (Which everyone now seems to be on him for), as for Betiko and Dezza, I don't know, they just seemed odd to me at the point and time.

So if I may ask, why is this being brought up out of the blue freezie and ghostly? (Which to answer you both, I think my reason for not adding ghostly was because he was either fitting his meta gaming, or he had an excuse and was away). Either of which would have been my reason why not putting him up.

As for what's going on NOW, what makes you so sure Eldario is town Betiko? If he is, he isn't even useful to us, he's inactive and he's a VT, which their ONLY power is, is to vote and be active. Besides that, it's a pretty weak fake claim from Eldario, he could have done better than that.

Fastposted by Betiko.

[Eldario]

I spelled my name as I was given it, and as people that have played with me before might know I'm often quite weak in the early days of a game, I guess this comes from my cautious nature, and in this case probably because my attention is divided between a lot of things IRL

[Eldario]

and I do get the feeling that I'm already lynched...

can we get a votecount

[jak111]

I spelled my name as I was given it, and as people that have played with me before might know I'm often quite weak in the early days of a game, I guess this comes from my cautious nature, and in this case probably because my attention is divided between a lot of things IRL

This post is an example of nothing useful, no one answer these questions for him. If you do I'm putting FOS on you for trying to stick up for your buddy (Which if you think about this, right now the only reason someone would try to protect him to the extent of answering questions intended for him would be because they know something).
1.) You say you're busy with RL, why not request a replacement if needed?
2.) You have 12 posts, 10, after signing up and confirming, and 9 posts once we hit the serious stage. Out of those 9; 1 was a simple claim, 4 saying that you are either catching up or mentioning you're not the only inactive, 2 posts of "trying to be funny", 1 simple unvote, and finally a SINGLE post mentioning that you'll give thought to jg's VT case a while back. All of which you haven't added anything to the game as of yet, so my question is, instead of making comments trying to excuse your inactiveness, start commenting on things you've seen in the past 42 pages buddy. There's a LOT of information there, so where are your notes? Or your thoughts? Where's anything besides excuses so far?
3.) How are we to say you're mafia or town if you don't bother speaking?
4.) As a VT, you should be at least active, using your only power, your opinion, which you are not. So what good will you do for the town if we bother letting you survive to the point where we need opinions and thoughts or we're only outnumbering the mafia by one and you just decide to go at the wrong person (AKA, the townie)?

Now, until you can answer all four questions or at least give your opinion on them besides the same damn excuse you've been bringing to the table since D1. Last weekend is gone, you should have been contributing this week but you have not!


Also, edocsil hasn't posted in 4 days, just a heads up to everyone.

Note to Saf: Could we get the guys whom haven't posted in a couple of days at least prodded to see if their at least paying attention, because it's not fair if we're active and they don't attempt to make a single post. (especially when there's more than 1 inactive).


Fastposted by Eldario, You're at L1, better start talking.

[Leehar]

Who put Elda at L-1? And why are you content to let him be easily hammered if you want him to answer your Q's Jak?

[jak111]

Jonty put him at L-1, and to be honest I don't care if he does answer my questions, seeing his game play so far he's no use to me nor anyone else, so unless he quickly changes his attitude and ativity before the next vote, I'll let him be gone. I know that sounds harsh, but I'd rather have active members left in the game, still 4 days until deadline but we'll see what happens.

[Leehar]

And this doesn't seem different to your previously much-avowed stances?

[jak111]

It is a different, (I have personality changes soo quickly you wouldn't be able to notice them)... but seriously.. These inactives need to learn their lesson, I'm tired of them sliding through the gaps when the actives are fighting with each other, it's time we end that.

[Eldario]

I spelled my name as I was given it, and as people that have played with me before might know I'm often quite weak in the early days of a game, I guess this comes from my cautious nature, and in this case probably because my attention is divided between a lot of things IRL

This post is an example of nothing useful, no one answer these questions for him. If you do I'm putting FOS on you for trying to stick up for your buddy (Which if you think about this, right now the only reason someone would try to protect him to the extent of answering questions intended for him would be because they know something).
1.) You say you're busy with RL, why not request a replacement if needed?
2.) You have 12 posts, 10, after signing up and confirming, and 9 posts once we hit the serious stage. Out of those 9; 1 was a simple claim, 4 saying that you are either catching up or mentioning you're not the only inactive, 2 posts of "trying to be funny", 1 simple unvote, and finally a SINGLE post mentioning that you'll give thought to jg's VT case a while back. All of which you haven't added anything to the game as of yet, so my question is, instead of making comments trying to excuse your inactiveness, start commenting on things you've seen in the past 42 pages buddy. There's a LOT of information there, so where are your notes? Or your thoughts? Where's anything besides excuses so far?
3.) How are we to say you're mafia or town if you don't bother speaking?
4.) As a VT, you should be at least active, using your only power, your opinion, which you are not. So what good will you do for the town if we bother letting you survive to the point where we need opinions and thoughts or we're only outnumbering the mafia by one and you just decide to go at the wrong person (AKA, the townie)?

Now, until you can answer all four questions or at least give your opinion on them besides the same damn excuse you've been bringing to the table since D1. Last weekend is gone, you should have been contributing this week but you have not!


Also, edocsil hasn't posted in 4 days, just a heads up to everyone.

Note to Saf: Could we get the guys whom haven't posted in a couple of days at least prodded to see if their at least paying attention, because it's not fair if we're active and they don't attempt to make a single post. (especially when there's more than 1 inactive).


Fastposted by Eldario, You're at L1, better start talking.

1: my busy-ness was not exactly planned, and when things started to heat up it felt like is would be kind of bad sportmanship, since some might take a request to be replaced as a confession.

2: my impression was that even though there were a lot of long posts it mostly was just stacks of quotes, hence hardly lots of information as you say, but more some uncomprehenceable trails of thoughts that just kept getting more and more confusing (+very hard to get a clear overview)

3: I prefer to waste my energy on cases I strongly believe in, instead of making up all kinds of accusations just to look good in the eyes of the general public

4: I thought the case was against my lack of action, not the question of my judgement (I'm afraid this did not come out right, but I hope you understand what I meant)

I hope this answered all your stated questions to your satisfaction

[MoB Deadly]

3: I prefer to waste my energy on cases I strongly believe in, instead of making up all kinds of accusations just to look good in the eyes of the general public

We dont make accusations to make ourselves "look good", we make accusations to "ruffle feathers" (as someone said) and to make cases snowball into bigger ones. We gotta start somewhere, so why not with a small accusation? It is also a very good reference point for later in the game.

The the players that "Started" the bandwagon on you will be noted, and all the players that didn't vote for you will be noted. It is not worth much now, but collectively you begin to see the big picture as the game advances.

[Leehar]

List of Postings for Determination of Inactives

26 April

Eldario - 10
DJ fireside - 14
Clever - 27
dazza - 37
everywhere 34
jonty-22
MoB - 15
Lee - 26

Apr 27
freezie - 30
shield - 35
doom - 39
IB - 23
edoc - 12
cms5 - 13
skill - 9
hippo - 30
eldario 14
betiko 30
dazza 38
spartacus 12
soundman- 11
dj 15
neb 63
mob 18
jonty 23
ghostly 9
chuck 28
cowboy 18
rous 1 re above clever

Probably double-counted a couple but think thats about everyone.
Eldario had the right of it that there are others just as inactive, so it seems somewhat scummy to pick on him exclusively, when he is popping back a bit, there is still time for a lynch, and there are others with even less posts than him here and are known to be more active (I think this is the first time I'm seeing him, while I've played with the likes of edoc, sparticus, soundman, skill etc before...)
Anyway, as joint-worst, Vote Skill

[everywhere116]

We know that skill isn't coming back for at least a week though, what good would pressuring him do?

[Iron Butterfly]

We now have two VTs and a pair of Masons claimed. Four people. Is there a cap or do we go till we find our Town Doc or Cop?

[Leehar]

We now have two VTs and a pair of Masons claimed. Four people. Is there a cap or do we go till we find our Town Doc or Cop?

We could go with Flavour then but seemingly people hate that? It's freaking Tank and Commander Locke! If there were VT's in the game, they wouldn't be first choice?
Btw, is there anything to gain from the mafia archives Matrix game and what roles were in there?

We know that skill isn't coming back for at least a week though, what good would pressuring him do?

I guess I mut have skimmed that, so I'll take your word for it, unvote
Sparticus or soundman then? Since ghostly just got back from being away himself?

[thehippo8]

We know that skill isn't coming back for at least a week though, what good would pressuring him do?

+1 ... what were you thinking Leehar?

[Leehar]

We know that skill isn't coming back for at least a week though, what good would pressuring him do?

+1 ... what were you thinking Leehar?

That this is Skill's last post: viewtopic.php?f=213&t=166863&p=3707896&hilit=+matrix#p3707896
and even in the one before that, he does say that he will try to stay on top of this, viewtopic.php?f=213&t=166863&p=3705658&hilit=+matrix#p3705658
But I unvoted because I accepted Everywhere's remarks
So Props to Everywhere for staying on top of everything and knowing in-depth about skill's finals week.
All I can say is that I can't go to the effort of getting all the post counts, and look into all of the reasonings for sketchy inactivity either. I'd need some help for that, and I'm glad everywhere is able to provide.

With regards to hippo, again you only pop-in to just latch onto the latest thing someone has said, with very little original thought, so I really don't know what to do with you anymore..

[thehippo8]

@ Leehar ... you don't need to do anything with me! But don't slag me off for your own skimming! Anhyways what are we gonna do about all these people who are doing nothing? It's like a club for submariners!!

[Some7hingCLEVER]

@ Leehar ... you don't need to do anything with me! But don't slag me off for your own skimming! Anhyways what are we gonna do about all these people who are doing nothing? It's like a club for submariners!!

lolol thats funny. but honestly im getting my inactives in games mixed up and its annoying lol.

[jak111]

@ Leehar ... you don't need to do anything with me! But don't slag me off for your own skimming! Anhyways what are we gonna do about all these people who are doing nothing? It's like a club for submariners!!

lolol thats funny. but honestly im getting my inactives in games mixed up and its annoying lol.

+1, I don't know how many times I was going to call out Eldario here or Skillfulsniper in Bulge.. wait.. Eldario is in here <.< >.>... -.-... Then you check who's all playing and you're like OH YEA!

But my biggest problem why I'm mixing it up is because the SAME people are active while the others are inactive. I don't know about anyone else but it feels like we only have 10 players in each game or somewhere around there that just make a LOT of posts ^^.

Also, Leehar, I'm disappointed.. How are people supposed to know if I got inactive if they don't know how many pages of posts I've filled up so far? X3.

But in all serious now.. Unvote, your answers don't really cover you Eldario, however, Leehar is correct, there are other inactives. However, if I see you drop below 1-2 on average posts per day starting tomorrow, you'll earn my vote back real quick. Also, so far to me, you seem the better choice if we don't have any more cases by Monday night. So be aware of the fact you're not out of lynching reach if I must push for it on Monday night bud.

[Nebuchadnezer]

1: my busy-ness was not exactly planned, and when things started to heat up it felt like is would be kind of bad sportmanship, since some might take a request to be replaced as a confession.

2: my impression was that even though there were a lot of long posts it mostly was just stacks of quotes, hence hardly lots of information as you say, but more some uncomprehenceable trails of thoughts that just kept getting more and more confusing (+very hard to get a clear overview)

3: I prefer to waste my energy on cases I strongly believe in, instead of making up all kinds of accusations just to look good in the eyes of the general public

4: I thought the case was against my lack of action, not the question of my judgement (I'm afraid this did not come out right, but I hope you understand what I meant)

I hope this answered all your stated questions to your satisfaction

Lame answers.
1. Thanks for "sticking it out."
2. 43 pages of posts...and you get nothing out of it?
3. Technically, this whole GAME is a waste of energy...but then why bother playing, if you don't want to waste your energy.
4. The case is your inactivity, and non-participation. Why would we even bother keeping you around, when you've contributed absolutely ZERO so far? If we wanted a NPC as a townie, I guess we could keep you around...

Notice that I too, am a VT. However, I've taken the exact opposite course as you, and decided to get into the game and cause some fun. You however, chose to sit like a bump on a log and watch. (sarcasm coming) The town thanks you for all your help.

The only thing keeping you around, is that I am also VT...and to lynch you would be a bit hypocritical...maybe. But may come back depending on what else comes up.

UNVOTE

We now have two VTs and a pair of Masons claimed. Four people. Is there a cap or do we go till we find our Town Doc or Cop?

I'm torn. I've been in a game where we pushed it, and exposed our doc. However, this is a bigger game, and there should be more roles to cover a doc.
If worse goes to worst, and town needs a lynch, Eldario or myself are the best options. Although, I would argue that I'm much more of an asset to town...
I guess, we could always pressure Hippo. Heck, with his questionable play I've seen in other games, we could just lynch him and call it a day (yes, I know, each game is separate...).
Although, I do wonder where Edoc went...ever since the wagon went cold on me, he's disappeared...hmmm...

Neb

[jak111]

Although, I do wonder where Edoc went...ever since the wagon went cold on me, he's disappeared...hmmm...

Neb

This is another thing I'll check into tomorrow, if he has no excuse he'll be in a worse position than Eldario. Although if he does have an excuse my preferred target for the day will be Eldario. Like Neb has stated (I swear, I think I'm messing you and jg up in the two games thinking jg is also in this one claimed as VT, lol, I'm completely losing it o.o) that Eldario, at this point and time, you are literally no use to the town unless you pick up your activity. A VT that doesn't wish to work to help out the town, literally is wasted space. You won't really come up with cases if you don't care to "waste" some energy by looking through some and commenting, or commenting as we went along. Hell I'm doing a reread and full comment on 2 mafia games tomorrow. So you wanna bs me around about wasted energy? It's a game, we join to have fun, however it also requires everyone who joins participation to be fun, so don't just idle back so much. I can rip on your inactiveness all night long Eldario, but I really don't think you care if you're lynched, when you were to the point and finally claimed, you simple stated your name and role. No defense or anything. That's basically telling me and I'm pretty sure I speak for most people here when I say this part, that you don't give a shit and basically for all of us to go f*ck ourselves because you won't be assed to put in the effort. Which, in all honesty, is not someone I want to be playing with if that's all they're going to do. So like I said, if your activity doesn't pick up and no other cases come up that are VERY good. Then your butt is going to the stake bud, because I'd rather have contributers for the D2 round.

[Some7hingCLEVER]

1: my busy-ness was not exactly planned, and when things started to heat up it felt like is would be kind of bad sportmanship, since some might take a request to be replaced as a confession.

2: my impression was that even though there were a lot of long posts it mostly was just stacks of quotes, hence hardly lots of information as you say, but more some uncomprehenceable trails of thoughts that just kept getting more and more confusing (+very hard to get a clear overview)

3: I prefer to waste my energy on cases I strongly believe in, instead of making up all kinds of accusations just to look good in the eyes of the general public

4: I thought the case was against my lack of action, not the question of my judgement (I'm afraid this did not come out right, but I hope you understand what I meant)

I hope this answered all your stated questions to your satisfaction

Lame answers.
1. Thanks for "sticking it out."
2. 43 pages of posts...and you get nothing out of it?
3. Technically, this whole GAME is a waste of energy...but then why bother playing, if you don't want to waste your energy.
4. The case is your inactivity, and non-participation. Why would we even bother keeping you around, when you've contributed absolutely ZERO so far? If we wanted a NPC as a townie, I guess we could keep you around...

Notice that I too, am a VT. However, I've taken the exact opposite course as you, and decided to get into the game and cause some fun. You however, chose to sit like a bump on a log and watch. (sarcasm coming) The town thanks you for all your help.

The only thing keeping you around, is that I am also VT...and to lynch you would be a bit hypocritical...maybe. But may come back depending on what else comes up.

UNVOTE

We now have two VTs and a pair of Masons claimed. Four people. Is there a cap or do we go till we find our Town Doc or Cop?

I'm torn. I've been in a game where we pushed it, and exposed our doc. However, this is a bigger game, and there should be more roles to cover a doc.
If worse goes to worst, and town needs a lynch, Eldario or myself are the best options. Although, I would argue that I'm much more of an asset to town...
I guess, we could always pressure Hippo. Heck, with his questionable play I've seen in other games, we could just lynch him and call it a day (yes, I know, each game is separate...).
Although, I do wonder where Edoc went...ever since the wagon went cold on me, he's disappeared...hmmm...

Neb

one thing. you dont know wether to vote him as to not be hipocritical. well if your worth something and he isnt (sounds bad lol...) then why would you not want to get rid of him. we all have the same day power he chooses not to use his and you do so there is nothing hypocritcal about it.

[jak111]

one thing. you dont know wether to vote him as to not be hipocritical. well if your worth something and he isnt (sounds bad lol...) then why would you not want to get rid of him. we all have the same day power he chooses not to use his and you do so there is nothing hypocritcal about it.

+1, don't be afraid Neb, my vote will be going back to him in the next day or 2 if he doesn't pick up his act real quick.

[safariguy5]

Vote Count

Neb(2)- cm5, edoc
dazza(1)- freezie
hippo(2)- sound, chuck
jak(1)- spart
eldario(10)- shield, hippo, everywhere, DJ, betiko, doom, IB, Mob, clever, jonty


With 24 alive, it takes 13 to lynch.

Deadline is midnight May 1st, PST. If no lynch is decided by then, the day will end in a no lynch.

Sorry if I can't post multiple vote counts in a day, I'm getting close to finals and working an internship so I don't have much internet access during the daytime (well, for CC anyways).