HP: fight for freedom. Game over. Wizards won.

[Djfireside]

Here is how I know

I said what I did because I wanted to get the information out there in case something happened to me during the night. I'm gonna have to claim to prove myself, so I will. Here's the green part:

You are Professor Minerva McGonagall ( Wizard Headmistress )

Meow. You are the head of the Gryffindor house aswell as the new head of the Howarts
school since Snape's sudden escape. A versatile wizard, you ecxel in Transfiguration
magic, yourself beeing a cat Animagus. Will your power help Harry in his head fight
with the Dark lord, we will see..

I'm a town JOAT. I investigated IB on night 1 because he acted scummy. I tried to kill him night 2 and I believe that he was busdriven with safariguy so that if safariguy were investigated (Because there was a chance that someone would investigate him. He was on the scumdar) he would look scummy. So, I ended up killing safariguy on night 2 instead of IB. Which was a bummer. But, that's why I told the roleblocker, good job. There was only 1 kill and it was mine. As you can see, the roleblocker listened to me and blocked the right person again, preventing a kill.

I PM'ed freezie yesterday about the kill because I wanted to make sure whether or not my kill went through or if I was blocked and still had a kill left. I was told that she could not confirm or deny if I was blocked, but that I had no kill left.

So, what did I do last night? I tried to use my watch ability, but I got no PM from freezie about anything. So, I'm assuming I was blocked. I'm about to PM freezie to find out if I was blocked or not since I received no information at all. Honestly, I don't remember who I tried to watch, so I'm gonna have to look through my sent PMs and hope it's still in there.

Anything else you want to know?

unvote vote Iron Butterfly

[Iron Butterfly]

DJ

I stated earlier I think it is in the best interest of Town to withhold who I visited for obvious reasons. If Tails is telling the truth and I was visited by both Hippo and PCM I was blocked. The person I targeted is still alive. If Tails is lieing I wont know until Tails, Wolf or PCM are killed or lynched.

I make it no secrete I am targeting players I suspect, these being obvious submariners and people who I believe are scummy. LOL or are plying more scummily then others.

Lets say I tell you who I visited. What is to stop Mafia from saying....oh no you didnt, you couldn't have because I saw blah blah blah.

More important if I tell you who I visited what exactly would that accomplish seeing as I don't know if I was blocked or not. If I was tracked the person I visited knows who I visited.

[mc05025]

Perhaps a better question: Pancakemix, can you confirm or deny that you visited Iron Butterfly nights 3 & 4?

I did not.

Pancake: Based on the accusation, I dont want to out anyone just yet but do you have a night action?

I do.

@Neb: Sue me for siding with the guy who clears me. And my comments to MC were based solely on the fact that he jump straight into believing Tails because of who he claimed, not on the claim itself.

So either you or TA1LGUNN3R are guilty.

I am James Potter and I am not a third party. I am sure that there is Lily in the game. As soon as there is no counter claim I will try to kill you with all my powers. This is cold logic and your answer did not satisfied me at all. Actually it was not an answer.



Initially I lied trying to keep secret my identity. For example now that deatheaters know that I am a weak character they are not going to kill me at night and they will kill more important people.

[everywhere116]

Well, either Tails and IB are lying, or Strike and Pancake are.

Vote Tails

[Djfireside]

DJ

I stated earlier I think it is in the best interest of Town to withhold who I visited for obvious reasons. If Tails is telling the truth and I was visited by both Hippo and PCM I was blocked. The person I targeted is still alive. If Tails is lieing I wont know until Tails, Wolf or PCM are killed or lynched.

I make it no secrete I am targeting players I suspect, these being obvious submariners and people who I believe are scummy. LOL or are plying more scummily then others.

Lets say I tell you who I visited. What is to stop Mafia from saying....oh no you didnt, you couldn't have because I saw blah blah blah.

More important if I tell you who I visited what exactly would that accomplish seeing as I don't know if I was blocked or not. If I was tracked the person I visited knows who I visited.

I actually got the information from you that I was seeking from you without you telling me so Im good with that.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Well, either Tails and IB are lying, or Strike and Pancake are.

Vote Tails

So why would I lie?

-Tails

[everywhere116]

If you are, to protect IB. I never said that I am certain that you are lying, but that's where I'm putting my money as for now. We are going to have to pick sides on this issue.

[strike wolf]

Well, either Tails and IB are lying, or Strike and Pancake are.

Vote Tails

I don't quite follow this statement. At this point, Tails has said that I did indeed visit who I claimed to have visit. Maybe that doesn't clear me as town but it don't see how it would convict me as scum.

As far as why you might claim at that point. The only thing that comes to mind is because IB could be important to scum...which is seeming a little less likely after thinking through it again. Basically lynching pancake gives us the same thing that lynching tails would information wise.

1. Pancake is lynched turns up scum. Tails gets some town credit but isn't cleared as town.
2. Pancake is lynched turns up town. Tails is lying and will have to be killed. Possible implications for IB
3. Tails is lynched turns up scum. Pancake isn't cleared but gets some town credit. Possible implications for IB
4. Tails is lynched turns up town. Pancake is lying and will be lynched/killed.

So long story short, it's do you trust pancake more or Tails more. I'm still inclined to trust Pancake at this point but I think he needs to claim.

[Iron Butterfly]

If you are, to protect IB. I never said that I am certain that you are lying, but that's where I'm putting my money as for now. We are going to have to pick sides on this issue.

So let me ask you Everywhere, would it really change your mind about me if Tails flipped town or PCM or Wolf flips Mafia?

When Tails made his post was he trying to save me or was he presenting evidence that happened to show that PCM visited Chap and myself?

The most obvious reason to believe Tails is that, if I were mafia it would such poor strategy to try and save me with another mafia member this late in the game. Someone is lying.

Vote PCM

[everywhere116]

If you are, to protect IB. I never said that I am certain that you are lying, but that's where I'm putting my money as for now. We are going to have to pick sides on this issue.

So let me ask you Everywhere, would it really change your mind about me if Tails flipped town or PCM or Wolf flips Mafia?

Of course it would.

When Tails made his post was he trying to save me or was he presenting evidence that happened to show that PCM visited Chap and myself?

If you look back, he did both.

The most obvious reason to believe Tails is that, if I were mafia it would such poor strategy to try and save me with another mafia member this late in the game. Someone is lying.

It wouldn't be poor strategy if the deatheaters had an insta-loss condition if Voldy died.

[Iron Butterfly]

Im not sure I follow your logic.

[freezie]

Vote count

Pancake(3): Tails, Mchammer, Iron Butter

Tails(3): Strike wolf, Pancake, Everywhere.


12 alive, takes 7 to lynch.

[Nebuchadnezer]

I guess there is a second question for you based on new info PCM, Did you visit hippo N1?

No, I generally don't act when I first replace. I usually haven't read enough to make an informed action at that point.

Unless you are a vig, why would you NOT use your power? This makes absolutely no sense. What kind of role would possibly be out there that a person would choose NOT to use? Help me understand this. Have you used your power at all?

K, N1 thehippo was visited by strike and pancake. I pm'ed freezie with a screen cap of the original N1 action, and he sent me the actual results. It was apparently just an accidental omission when translating his notes into pms.

But it DOES contradict others. You say no one visited Hippo night 1, Strike says that he did and that he wasn't roleblocked. The only hope of both of you telling the truth is is freezie made a mistake.

Maybe you kinda missed my point there. That's precisely what I was saying. I wouldn't fakeclaim in such a situation, except under extreme duress, because of exactly what's happening. To fabricate night actions invites too many opportunities for a counter which would lead to my lynch.

-Tails

Okay, this is fishy. You expect us to believe that Freezie got your messages wrong? That’s rather a convenient explanation given that your “actions” do not match up with newly found evidence. 2 options:

1. You are lying, and using this as an excuse to cover your previous lies. Lynch all liars.
2. Freezie has just become the worst mod ever, and completely f%$@ed us as town by messing up the night actions and results.

CHAP!!! Have you watched anyone? Come on! Pitch in a little bit here...Have you used any of your other abilities?

I don’t know where to go from here. This has turned into one big fustercluck of lies, half truths and partial claims...and the one player I thought had the strongest claim has now proven himself to be a liar.

I guess…lynch all liars? I just can't be sure who is the bigger liar...Tails or Pancakemix?

[chapcrap]

Ummm, I guess strike skimmed this whole post I made? He sure didn't respond to anything in it and posted plenty. Makes me go

How is no one asking strike any questions?

strike wolf:

• How do you know you weren't roleblocked?
• Why did you visit hippo?
• What is your role?
• Who else have you visited?

Also, IB, you need to let us know about your action last night. Revealing the person isn't really necessary, but we need to know if you were blocked or got information.

Tails claim made a little sense to me initially because he had someone visit me on night 3. However, after thinking about it more, it just seems a little scummy now. Especially so if strike is telling the truth. The problem with Tails claim is that no one can verify any of it. The only alive person who you saw visit someone is pcm. And you're accusing him. It just really seems like a fake claim to me right now.

Chap...yes, you've already demonstrated how great your "guilty" accusation of Iron was. Nothing like prematurely claiming a player is guilty and then having that completely fall apart. I tend to discount your views a little bit more after that major flub.

That wasn't a major flub. Ever hear of a fake claim given to mafia? Either way, I didn't clear IB. All my result said was Not a Wizard, so he could still be a Death Eater. Although, sacrificing his busdriver is a pretty crazy move, which makes it seem a lot less likely that he is mafia.

Also, want to thank spiesr for trying to deflect my questions to strike.

How is no one asking strike any questions?

Perhaps a better question: Pancakemix, can you confirm or deny that you visited Iron Butterfly nights 3 & 4?

Neb, I haven't been online to write anything. Sorry. RL stuff. I do have a watch ability, as I previously stated. Sorry you skimmed that multiple times spiesr. I did use the ability last night. I have nothing to say about it as of now. I might reveal the information later if it becomes relevant.

As for me, I'm not picking a side in this argument with Tails, pcm, and strike. I'll wait to get some questions answered. And, just to be clear, IB, are you saying that you aren't sure if you were blocked or not?

[Iron Butterfly]

My intended target is still alive. I received no notification that I was blocked.

Either I was blocked or I guessed wrong. I cant be certain.

[strike wolf]

I will answer the questions directed at me pending Pancake's answers regarding if he did visit those two and tails regarding if Freezie made a mistake.

I stalled on answering the questions as I said I would here because the possibility was that Tails would come back, say that Freezie had made a mistake and that I had visited HIppo N1 and then the burden of proof would no longer be on my shoulders. At this point, with Tails basically saying I am telling the truth and pancake saying Tails is lying, I don't feel like the burden of proof is on my shoulders. It's on pancake's shoulders to convince us that Tails is lying (which at the very least requires a claim from Pancake). My actions at this point are irrelevant beyond the fact that I did not visit any of the players that Tails has visited since Night 1 so I cannot say if any of his other results are inaccurate. If the rest of town still thinks I should reveal more, I might but I do not feel by revealing my other night actions, my role or my motivations for those night actions at this point helps town. Holding onto them and WIFOMing mafia as to what my role could be seems like a more valuable exercise.

As far as lynches, the only two that make sense at this point are Tails and Pancake (the only reason to lynch IB would be a stab in the dark at hopefully hitting Voldemort). I'm still leaning towards tails. The only thing that I've thought about since last night is that if Tails is lynched and turns up town, not only does that mean Pancake is lying but it also gives IB A LOT of town credit as it gives a plausible reason why his N1 action that's been under suspicion was blocked.

Also, I am a bit confused now if Chap's ability was a watch or a track or if he has both.

[Iron Butterfly]

I believe the main reason I am still alive and have not been night killed is that I am used to sow confusion.

I notice that I have been morphed into possibly being Voldemort. Last I heard Voldemort was a wizard but that doesn't seem to matter.

If Tails is lynched and flips town you can be certain I will be targeted. If PCM is a mafia blocker/jailer, and Mafia jailer would certainly make sense flavor wise, If PCM flips Mafia I will be night killed.

[Nebuchadnezer]

I will answer the questions directed at me pending Pancake's answers regarding if he did visit those two and tails regarding if Freezie made a mistake.

I stalled on answering the questions as I said I would here because the possibility was that Tails would come back, say that Freezie had made a mistake and that I had visited HIppo N1 and then the burden of proof would no longer be on my shoulders. At this point, with Tails basically saying I am telling the truth and pancake saying Tails is lying, I don't feel like the burden of proof is on my shoulders. It's on pancake's shoulders to convince us that Tails is lying (which at the very least requires a claim from Pancake). My actions at this point are irrelevant beyond the fact that I did not visit any of the players that Tails has visited since Night 1 so I cannot say if any of his other results are inaccurate. If the rest of town still thinks I should reveal more, I might but I do not feel by revealing my other night actions, my role or my motivations for those night actions at this point helps town. Holding onto them and WIFOMing mafia as to what my role could be seems like a more valuable exercise.

As far as lynches, the only two that make sense at this point are Tails and Pancake (the only reason to lynch IB would be a stab in the dark at hopefully hitting Voldemort). I'm still leaning towards tails. The only thing that I've thought about since last night is that if Tails is lynched and turns up town, not only does that mean Pancake is lying but it also gives IB A LOT of town credit as it gives a plausible reason why his N1 action that's been under suspicion was blocked.

Also, I am a bit confused now if Chap's ability was a watch or a track or if he has both.

This is twice now that Chap has confused whether or not he has tracker/watcher ability. Also, I'm not sure why he's keeping it silent. If you die tonight, we lose that information forever.

So, does everyone buy that Tails' information now matches up with Strikes, after "checking with freezie?" How is this going unchallenged? Is Freezie that bad? Or is Tails grasping at straws to support his fake claim?

[Iron Butterfly]

Neb why not just vote instead of asking what everyone else thinks?

As far as the Freezie thing...you seem to imply that freezie is above making mistakes with all the information that needs to be exchange. You imply that only a crappy mod could make such a mistake. Everyone knows Freezie is not a crappy mod and that this game has been a blast. That does not mean he is above human error. We saw what happened with Safari and we saw how Sparticas was lynched because of information provided.

Your are implying that Freezie wouldn't make such a mistake so Tails must be lieing.

"Is Freezie that bad? Or is Tails grasping at straws to support his fake claim?"

Why do you drape the possibility that Tails is telling the truth in such negativity on Freezies part. It suggest that Tails is lieing regardless if he is speaking the truth.

[Nebuchadnezer]

Neb why not just vote instead of asking what everyone else thinks?

As far as the Freezie thing...you seem to imply that freezie is above making mistakes with all the information that needs to be exchange. You imply that only a crappy mod could make such a mistake. Everyone knows Freezie is not a crappy mod and that this game has been a blast. That does not mean he is above human error. We saw what happened with Safari and we saw how Sparticas was lynched because of information provided.

Your are implying that Freezie wouldn't make such a mistake so Tails must be lieing.

"Is Freezie that bad? Or is Tails grasping at straws to support his fake claim?"

Why do you drape the possibility that Tails is telling the truth in such negativity on Freezies part. It suggest that Tails is lieing regardless if he is speaking the truth.

That's just frustration coming out. This is a good game, but the mod has made mistakes, which makes it easy for mafia to mask their errors by just saying they got wrong information from the mod...and now the mod corrected it. And wa-la! Suddenly everything fits perfectly. Pair that with new roles/night actions, and I'm lost most of the time, here. But you're right...I'll stick with my first reaction on my initial response to hearing the info...

vote pancakemix

[Nebuchadnezer]

That's L-3. With a double voter here, pancakemix, I would suggest claiming before someone else piles on and MC05025 carries through with his threat to kill you.

[alt1978]

Well, they picked the absolute worst person to kill. Vote IB

As confused as I was after the last days actions, everywhere came out real quick and tried to throw a hammer down on IB. Right now I'm either bamboozled or gullible but I've got IB down as town in my book. Everywhere then comes on strong to laying down the hammer on tails, but never really presents a case. I'm actually inclined to believe tails is innocent simply because everywhere is giving off such scummy vibes, and everywhere then came after tails. I'm not a fan of either tails or pcm's stories...I don't see anything completely damaging to either but I do agree with the premise that one or the other is lying. Taking into consideration everywhere's attempts at steering the conversation...I am going to lean towards pcm being scum.

FoS at everywhere...it doesn't seem like a terrible place to start tomorrow if pcm comes up scum.

I am inclined to vote for PCM...but with MC sitting out there as the double voter...and PCM sitting at L3, I want to wait and give PCM a chance to claim.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

If you are, to protect IB. I never said that I am certain that you are lying, but that's where I'm putting my money as for now. We are going to have to pick sides on this issue.

And I already discussed how that is a short sighted policy, even if, as you have proposed, IB is Voldemort. Which doesn't make sense since chap has stated IB is not a wizard.

I just experienced a paradigm shift: IB is Voldy, is selling out Dazza so that he won't die. Considering that the scales have turned against Dazza, it makes no sense to split the vote.

Unvote vote Dazza

Your crusade against IB is really starting to puzzle me. You expect us to believe that he would sell out his busdriver? Mafia busdriver is one of the best roles for scum. It's funny how you set this up yesterday and immediately tried for his lynch today.

@IB- I would suggest that you should target everywhere tonight as Voldemort.

As far as pancake, I went over his posts to try to present something further to get him lynched, but he's pancake. He was pretty careful on his postings, and was most talkative in the spartacus case. Imo, the spartacus case was a good one to earn some brownie points. He only really committed to the dazza case after dazza's butchering of his claim and everthing:

I was waiting for the claim, as I previously mentioned. I got one, and several things don't sit well with me. Firstly, I disliked how dazza beat around the bush on the issue. Second, I dislike the notion of simply name-claiming. Under this much scrutiny, a full claim is necessary, despite what mc said. Third, given hippo's research on the claim, I thnk the decision should be clear cut.

Vote dazza

-Tails

[pancakemix]

Bah, even with a clear counter and some bullshit about mod screwups you won't see through Tails. But whatever, that's fine.

I'M Lily Potter. I shouldn't have had to claim because there was so much going against Tails. But again, I can't help it if opinions are going to go against me.

[strike wolf]

Role??