GabonX wrote:I've said what I have to say and I'm not playing this game where everything leads to irrelevant questions that only serve to divert attention from the original point, that being that you lied by saying this guy was "forced out" of the Romney campaign for being gay when in fact senior campaign officials pleaded with him to stay and went as far as to seek council from another openly gay Republican party member.
Let this thread be a reminder to all honest and true minded people that the foundations of the radical left's strategy are diversion, disinformation and defamation of character.
Of course you still haven't been able to back up anything you've claimed, in spite of repeated requests to do so. You can't even run away right, as it's so simple to get you back.
Do you have anything to contribute?
the world is in greater peril from those who tolerate or encourage evil than from those who actually commit it- Albert Einstein
Welcome to Log Cabin Republicans. Log Cabin Republicans are proud members of the GOP who believe inclusion wins. Log Cabin works to build a stronger, more inclusive Republican Party by promoting the core values of limited government, individual liberty, personal responsibility, free markets and a strong national defense while advocating for the freedom and equality of gay and lesbian Americans.
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The tenure of an openly gay spokesman for Mitt Romney's campaign lasted less than two weeks.
On April 19, Romney’s campaign announced it had hired Richard Grenell, 45, as its foreign policy spokesman. On Tuesday, Grenell tendered his resignation, citing a “hyperpartisan discussion of personal issues that sometimes comes from being on a presidential campaign.”
Grenell never had a chance to make an impression with the public in this job. Last Thursday, the Romney campaign held a conference call with reporters to blunt a foreign policy speech that Vice President Joe Biden was about to deliver. Though Grenell was on the phone, he did not speak.
Grenell, an unabashed supporter of gay marriage who has a longtime partner, was attacked by evangelical Christian conservatives who, like Romney, oppose gay marriage, and said Romney was compromising himself on the issue by hiring Grenell.
“The message Gov. Romney appears to be sending to the pro-family community … is ‘drop dead,’” wrote Bryan Fischer of the American Family Assn., which was designated as a “hate group” in 2010 by the Southern Poverty Law Center for its anti-gay comments. Tony Perkins of Family Research Council intimated that Grenell would be sympathetic to the foreign policy goals of the Obama administration because he is gay.
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the world is in greater peril from those who tolerate or encourage evil than from those who actually commit it- Albert Einstein
GabonX wrote:I've said what I have to say and I'm not playing this game where everything leads to irrelevant questions that only serve to divert attention from the original point, that being that you lied by saying this guy was "forced out" of the Romney campaign for being gay when in fact senior campaign officials pleaded with him to stay and went as far as to seek council from another openly gay Republican party member.
Let this thread be a reminder to all honest and true minded people that the foundations of the radical left's strategy are diversion, disinformation and defamation of character.
Of course you still haven't been able to back up anything you've claimed, in spite of repeated requests to do so. You can't even run away right, as it's so simple to get you back.
Do you have anything to contribute?
GabonX wrote:From your article:
Several top Romney campaign officials tried to persuade Grenell to stay on and enlisted former Republican National Committee chairman Ken Mehlman, another openly gay GOP figure, to appeal to him as well, according to a source with knowledge of Mehlman's involvement. Mehlman declined to comment to HuffPost. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/0 ... 72188.html
Spazz Arcane wrote:If birds could swim and fish could fly I would awaken in the morning to the sturgeons cry. If fish could fly and birds could swim I'd still use worms to fish for them.
Symmetry wrote:condemned from everyone but the far right.
That's a bit of a stretch, as is your dishonest title.
GabonX also claims that he wasn't forced out. In fact, he was encouraged to stay. (here
Then there's the back-and-forth, mutual understanding has been prevented, and saxitoxin highlights Symmetry's method of doing so (here
After all this, we still get this response:
Symmetry wrote:
GabonX wrote:I've said what I have to say and I'm not playing this game where everything leads to irrelevant questions that only serve to divert attention from the original point, that being that you lied by saying this guy was "forced out" of the Romney campaign for being gay when in fact senior campaign officials pleaded with him to stay and went as far as to seek council from another openly gay Republican party member.
Let this thread be a reminder to all honest and true minded people that the foundations of the radical left's strategy are diversion, disinformation and defamation of character.
Of course you still haven't been able to back up anything you've claimed, in spite of repeated requests to do so. , in spite of repeated requests to do so. You can't even run away right, as it's so simple to get you back.
Do you have anything to contribute?
Clearly, evidence for GabonX's claims have already been provided. Symmetry hasn't been reading them, failed to understand them, changed the conditions of evidence from the old argument to some new unrelated argument, or is simply not interested in discussion--but rather interested in his own monologue, as saxitoxin has pointed out.
(fastposted by GabonX, but maybe having two sources will be sufficient for Symmetry's vague standard of evidence).
Meh, I simply reported Gabon. Posting the same thing 15 times, even after I replied... I don't think any of you would appreciate me behaving like that in your threads,
the world is in greater peril from those who tolerate or encourage evil than from those who actually commit it- Albert Einstein
Hey Symmetry, btw, about your stupid little poll. Gay's are accepted in the Republican party, and they always have been.
You see, Republicans will take anyone, any race, any beliefs, and religion, it doesn't matter. The Democrats kick people out if they disagree. You are still trying to jam a square block in a circle hole
Phatscotty wrote:Hey Symmetry, btw, about your stupid little poll. Gay's are accepted in the Republican party, and they always have been.
You see, Republicans will take anyone, any race, any beliefs, and religion, it doesn't matter. The Democrats kick people out if they disagree. You are still trying to jam a square block in a circle hole
And yet this is clear case of someone being kicked out because he is gay.
the world is in greater peril from those who tolerate or encourage evil than from those who actually commit it- Albert Einstein
Symmetry wrote:Meh, I simply reported Gabon. Posting the same thing 15 times, even after I replied... I don't think any of you would appreciate me behaving like that in your threads,
It seemed warranted in that instance. You kept screaming, ad infinitum, Gabby hadn't replied to your question, which you'd follow by a long string of insults.
This indicated you weren't seeing his response, perhaps due to a technical malfunction or some other computer-based reason, or a vision-quality issue. The rational course of action, at that point, was to post multiple times to test your system and see if any messages were getting through or if, possibly, it was a server-side issue. As you became increasingly irate and maniacal at what you perceived as people ignoring you and more and more hysterical in your name-calling, it became prudent to post quickly to defuse the situation. I think Gabby did this as much for your well-being as that of the forum as the level of anger you'd worked yourself into indicated a possible danger of self-harm.
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Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
Symmetry wrote:Meh, I simply reported Gabon. Posting the same thing 15 times, even after I replied... I don't think any of you would appreciate me behaving like that in your threads,
As sad as that makes me, I won't stoop to your level by reporting you for flaming.
Phatscotty wrote:Hey Symmetry, btw, about your stupid little poll. Gay's are accepted in the Republican party, and they always have been.
You see, Republicans will take anyone, any race, any beliefs, and religion, it doesn't matter. The Democrats kick people out if they disagree. You are still trying to jam a square block in a circle hole
GabonX wrote:Let this thread be a reminder to all honest and true minded people that the foundations of the radical left's strategy are diversion, disinformation and defamation of character.
It would be fair to add "silencing opposition" to that list.
Spazz Arcane wrote:If birds could swim and fish could fly I would awaken in the morning to the sturgeons cry. If fish could fly and birds could swim I'd still use worms to fish for them.
Phatscotty wrote:Hey Symmetry, btw, about your stupid little poll. Gay's are accepted in the Republican party, and they always have been.
You see, Republicans will take anyone, any race, any beliefs, and religion, it doesn't matter. The Democrats kick people out if they disagree. You are still trying to jam a square block in a circle hole
And yet this is clear case of someone being kicked out because he is gay.
GabonX wrote:From your article:
Several top Romney campaign officials tried to persuade Grenell to stay on and enlisted former Republican National Committee chairman Ken Mehlman, another openly gay GOP figure, to appeal to him as well, according to a source with knowledge of Mehlman's involvement. Mehlman declined to comment to HuffPost. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/0 ... 72188.html
Spazz Arcane wrote:If birds could swim and fish could fly I would awaken in the morning to the sturgeons cry. If fish could fly and birds could swim I'd still use worms to fish for them.
Symmetry wrote:Spamming the same post 15 times is never warranted.
When a community member has exhibited warning signs of possible self-harm due to a hysterical episode, there are very few limits we should impose on ourselves to mediate the situation. You had become irate to the point of a breakdown at what you perceived was Gabby ignoring your question.
Multiple posts, as a means of guaranteeing you that no one was ignoring you, were warranted due to your increasingly irrational behavior that indicated you were experiencing a possible IRL crisis episode.
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
(3) asking for evidence, and then remaining seemingly unaware of the evidence while condemning the other side for failing to defend his point is somehow not baiting.
I'll take up the argument for Symmetry.
1) I agree that it was fallacious for Symmetry to say, "[the actions as explained in OP concerning Mr. Brenell/Grenell/Grendal were] condemned from everyone but the far right," because the presumably well-intended Symmetry forget that individuals of one group do not all respond in the same manner. In fact, his statement is as fallacious, ignorant, prejudiced, and bigoted as saying, "hah, those black people all act the same!"
2) Even though some members within Romney's campaign urged Grenell to stay, this was performed insincerely in order to effectively counter any "anti-gay" criticism. In other words, the internal urging for him to stay was staged. What evidence do I have? Well, none really, but it seems to be a logical choice--given some assumptions that I'll mention later.
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