Matrix Mafia Endgame, Town and Survivors win!

[jonty125]

I believe the train man to be the bus driver(mafia, possibly third party).

Busdriver is most likely town. And mafia busdrivers are very rare as their quite powerful.

Ok f*ck this, got to page 41 and I am falling asleep. Blame the football.

But anyway, as of page 41 the scum are:

Freezie, everywhere, jonty and skillful. Any questions?

Call me a sheep...UNVOTE VOTE Freezie. A fresh set of eyes on 41 pages is going to pick up something that those of use who have been stuck in the back forth can't. I'm all for a new direction...Let's start with Freezie.

You try a new case 15 hours before we get a lynch.

vote Neb for trying to stop town getting a lynch by throwing a new case into the mix right before deadline.

[Leehar]

I believe the train man to be the bus driver(mafia, possibly third party).

Busdriver is most likely town. And mafia busdrivers are very rare as their quite powerful.

So should he come forward and tell us who he saved, or irrelevant for know. I think he should keep close to his chest for now who was actually targeted

Freezie, although not the most active, is seen as a veteran on these forums, I can see why someone would want to attack him first.

Skimming/Lost?
If the victim was busdrove and freezie died, then it's obvious someone else was attacked instead?

[jonty125]

Skimming/Lost?
If the victim was busdrove and freezie died, then it's obvious someone else was attacked instead?

I'd probably guess the former.

[MoB Deadly]

I believe the train man to be the bus driver(mafia, possibly third party).

Busdriver is most likely town. And mafia busdrivers are very rare as their quite powerful.

So should he come forward and tell us who he saved, or irrelevant for know. I think he should keep close to his chest for now who was actually targeted

Freezie, although not the most active, is seen as a veteran on these forums, I can see why someone would want to attack him first.

Skimming/Lost?
If the victim was busdrove and freezie died, then it's obvious someone else was attacked instead?

Yes the bus driver should DEFINITELY keep it secret. As the bus driver now they know one more person that is town that no one knows. This info will be useful later in the game.

And when I was talking about Freezie, I was speculating the motives of a mafia bus driver.

[betiko]

I believe the train man to be the bus driver(mafia, possibly third party).

Busdriver is most likely town. And mafia busdrivers are very rare as their quite powerful.

So should he come forward and tell us who he saved, or irrelevant for know. I think he should keep close to his chest for now who was actually targeted

Freezie, although not the most active, is seen as a veteran on these forums, I can see why someone would want to attack him first.

Skimming/Lost?
If the victim was busdrove and freezie died, then it's obvious someone else was attacked instead?

I don't see why the busdriver would be mafia; i think town or third party and that it was kind of a lucky thing. now this busdriver might know how was originally targeted by mafia; if it's the case that is someone that can be more or less cleared by the busdriver.

And yes, i think that if we have these 2 night scenes, we probably have a serial killer. I think agent smith being a serial killer and then mafia being machines..

about the bus driver thing, i am really wondering if neb didn't drop a big tell. I think it's very possible that he is mafia and that he knew i was last night's target that got busdriven with freezie. after his VT claim I started trusting him and now I think I might have lowered my guard a bit too much.
This thing he said about me surviving the night is very scummy for a VT, and also his case on freezie at the very end of day 1.. come on, that was not serious!

vote neb

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[jonty125]

I believe the train man to be the bus driver(mafia, possibly third party).

Busdriver is most likely town. And mafia busdrivers are very rare as their quite powerful.

So should he come forward and tell us who he saved, or irrelevant for know. I think he should keep close to his chest for now who was actually targeted

Freezie, although not the most active, is seen as a veteran on these forums, I can see why someone would want to attack him first.

Skimming/Lost?
If the victim was busdrove and freezie died, then it's obvious someone else was attacked instead?

I don't see why the busdriver would be mafia; i think town or third party and that it was kind of a lucky thing. now this busdriver might know how was originally targeted by mafia; if it's the case that is someone that can be more or less cleared by the busdriver.

And yes, i think that if we have these 2 night scenes, we probably have a serial killer. I think agent smith being a serial killer and then mafia being machines..

about the bus driver thing, i am really wondering if neb didn't drop a big tell. I think it's very possible that he is mafia and that he knew i was last night's target that got busdriven with freezie. after his VT claim I started trusting him and now I think I might have lowered my guard a bit too much.
This thing he said about me surviving the night is very scummy for a VT, and also his case on freezie at the very end of day 1.. come on, that was not serious!

vote neb

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[MoB Deadly]

I think things are definitely snowballing for Neb.

1. As jonty said he attempted to start a new case at the end of the day with 5 claims already on the table
2. Possible scum slip
3. Hammered the lynch
4. I don't like how he put the focus on PMC after the lynch occurred. It seemed like he could have been trying to attract night actions to PMC.
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5. He is a safe lynch because he is a VT.

I dont want to jump the gun and put my vote on him just yet. I am sure not all the players even saw the scene from last night yet, I would like to see if a stronger case presents itself before I put a vote on neb.

[MoB Deadly]

EBWOP

5. He would be a safe lynch because he claimed VT

[skillfusniper33]

Nope, hopefully someone got some info. A night action would be good for once v.v ~Is hated by all the mods~

Hmm, I wonder though, the first part of the scene says they got away, so either Doc saved him/her or killer was roleblocked.

Any ideas for a lead?

Could be a roleblock or a doc save. I can't really tell from the scene.

I think it was a doc save. If it was a role block I would think something would have happened to the attacker to stop the kill instead of something happening to the target to save him.

Also, somebody mentioned agent smith being a cult leader. The fact that the attacker was shooting at the target makes me believe that this was not an attempt to recruit somebody to the cult. If Smith is cult that means this attack was by a third group?

I think the second was a bus drive. Any ideas as to why somebody would bus drive freezie as opposed to anybody else?

This post really kinda throws me off, especially the last part. Why would you assume freezie was the person bus driven, unless you were mafia and tried to kill s/he. I have my reasons why I think s/he might have been but I won't reveal those.

Along with the other posts of you trying to make a case very close to the deadline I think that deserves my vote for now.

vote chuck

I would be more than willing to change votes if a stronger case shows up, but to me this looks like a good spot to start.

[jonty125]

Why would you assume freezie was the person bus driven

Erm here is is the scene

The train curiously deposits another man on the platform. Indifferent, the man in the dark suit shoots this other man and walks away.

Along with the other posts of you trying to make a case very close to the deadline I think that deserves my vote for now.

That was Neb.

FOS skill for being completely wrong on two points in his "case" on chuck.

[skillfusniper33]

Why would you assume freezie was the person bus driven

Erm here is is the scene

The train curiously deposits another man on the platform. Indifferent, the man in the dark suit shoots this other man and walks away.

Along with the other posts of you trying to make a case very close to the deadline I think that deserves my vote for now.

That was Neb.

FOS skill for being completely wrong on two points in his "case" on chuck.

Wow getting people confused, guess I should just give up for a little while, and double check my posts especially after getting a phone call while trying to post.

unvote, for my idiotic posting.

[everywhere116]

Why would you assume freezie was the person bus driven

Erm here is is the scene

The train curiously deposits another man on the platform. Indifferent, the man in the dark suit shoots this other man and walks away.

Along with the other posts of you trying to make a case very close to the deadline I think that deserves my vote for now.

That was Neb.

FOS skill for being completely wrong on two points in his "case" on chuck.

Wow getting people confused, guess I should just give up for a little while, and double check my posts especially after getting a phone call while trying to post.

unvote, for my idiotic posting.

Well this is sure a BLAM.

Vote Neb for the reasons stated above/last page.

[thechuck51]

I think things are definitely snowballing for Neb.

1. As jonty said he attempted to start a new case at the end of the day with 5 claims already on the table
2. Possible scum slip
3. Hammered the lynch
4. I don't like how he put the focus on PMC after the lynch occurred. It seemed like he could have been trying to attract night actions to PMC.
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5. He is a safe lynch because he is a VT.

I dont want to jump the gun and put my vote on him just yet. I am sure not all the players even saw the scene from last night yet, I would like to see if a stronger case presents itself before I put a vote on neb.

I think we should wait til we have had input from some other players before we get too worked up. The day is only 12 hours old or so, some people may not have had a chance to read/comment yet. So no vote from me yet but I will FOS neb for now based on the "anyways betiko lives" line.

[pmchugh]

I don't get the neb BW. What about the whole zion VT thing? Eldario is confirmed and to me that gives credence to their claims, especially since neb is tank. HOWEVER fake claims could have been provided and only based on that can someone mount a case on neb.

[betiko]

I think things are definitely snowballing for Neb.

1. As jonty said he attempted to start a new case at the end of the day with 5 claims already on the table
2. Possible scum slip
3. Hammered the lynch
4. I don't like how he put the focus on PMC after the lynch occurred. It seemed like he could have been trying to attract night actions to PMC.
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5. He is a safe lynch because he is a VT.

I dont want to jump the gun and put my vote on him just yet. I am sure not all the players even saw the scene from last night yet, I would like to see if a stronger case presents itself before I put a vote on neb.

I think we should wait til we have had input from some other players before we get too worked up. The day is only 12 hours old or so, some people may not have had a chance to read/comment yet. So no vote from me yet but I will FOS neb for now based on the "anyways betiko lives" line.

on one side it takes 12 to lynch and he only has 3 or 4 votes, but on the other he already claimed so there is no rush to pressure him yet..
people might start to know things that can t be revealed yet though... curious to see input by other players that haven't showed up on day 2 yet.

[MoB Deadly]

I think we should wait as well, we definitely do not want to rush into voting someone like Neb without having a full regular discussion. Especially if we are wrong, we do not want to give the mafia and SK the luxury of making another kill without a thorough Day 2 discussion

[Leehar]

I think we should wait as well, we definitely do not want to rush into voting someone like Neb without having a full regular discussion. Especially if we are wrong, we do not want to give the mafia and SK the luxury of making another kill without a thorough Day 2 discussion

Aha! I forgot to connect the dots there! Obv there are 2 people/factions with killing powers here, so who could they be? I'm not up with my matrix flavour, but I think I heard someone say Agent Smith is possibly sk? Who're the mafia then?
I'd also like some input from the guys who've played matrix mafia before? Not sure if it was edoc or everywhere, but fairly confident it's one of those 2!
There was the French guy as a third party faction that the mafia played off against the Town? What other interesting features? I think Saf was in that one as well, so it's likely he still used that mafia game as a base?

Btw, who was the 3rd VT yesterday? Hippo? (after neb and eldario?)

Also, for now I'd also like to chase some of the inactives from yesterday, there were quite a few that I don't think picked up their inactivity any.

So Vote Soundman as one of the submariners I actually remember!

[edocsil]

Who wears a white suit in the matrix?

The Seraph and the twins. This appears to reference the the Seraph.

Why do you think its Seraph? I googled images of him and I would not necessarily consider his attire to be a "suit". The twins on the other hand, definitely wear suits.

Seems like flavor does not fit twins, as they are rescued by (likely) Trinity. Neo never wears white either. Idk, the pieces don't seem to fit well yet.

The only white suits that I can remember are the twins and switch as well

Switch was female.

[jonty125]

Btw, who was the 3rd VT yesterday? Hippo?

Yes, yes it was.

[thehippo8]

@ Leehar - yeah, at least two factions sounds right. I am very confused by neb's vt claim but tracker information. Maybe he's masoned with a tracker and has been passed information?

Day two is as hard as day 1. I agree that we are better off pressuring people and getting information at this stage. Frankly the idea of killing vt's for the sake of it is very scummie! In the end game vt's can prove valuable.

Anyway, for now I want to hear more from Neb. You see oddly silent in the face of votes and questions. If you carry on like that thenyou only end up attracting more attention to yourself so speak up or I will vote on you!

[jonty125]

@ Leehar - yeah, at least two factions sounds right. I am very confused by neb's vt claim but tracker information. Maybe he's masoned with a tracker and has been passed information?

Day two is as hard as day 1. I agree that we are better off pressuring people and getting information at this stage. Frankly the idea of killing vt's for the sake of it is very scummie! In the end game vt's can prove valuable.

Anyway, for now I want to hear more from Neb. You see oddly silent in the face of votes and questions. If you carry on like that thenyou only end up attracting more attention to yourself so speak up or I will vote on you!

We've already had a pair of masons claim (Doom & jak)

[jak111]

Hmm, let me put something together since I'm still breathing. Mafia aren't annoyed with me at least yet ^^.

So the 3 VT's were
Eldario
Hippo
Neb

I'm going to have to say Neb is the most suspicious out of the claimed VT's because of how he worded Betiko living... Like where did that come from? So, FOS Neb

Finally, the inactives..
Skillfulsniper (First post of the day was already skimmed)
Cowboyz (Sort of in and out lately, so semi-inactive)
Djfireside (Literally, just posting once every few days as to not draw heat)
Edocsil (Before today, he hasn't posted since the 23rd, so for the week from the 23-30 he was inactive)
Ghostly (VERY inactive, has less than half a page of posts, usually posts once every few days)
Soundman (Semi-inactive, low post count if you count after joke vote stage)
Spartacus (Last posted 26th, however his post count is also way down, and in general inactive)

Okay, once I take away the 2 semi inactives, I'm still left with 5 inactives. That's actually scary.

Out of those two lists, these are the ones I'd vote to pressure.
~Skillfulsniper
~Djfireside
~Edocsil
~Ghostly
~Spartacus
~Neb

However, I'll wait to see if anyone has info they'd like to share before I put my vote toward anyone and make my final decision. For now.
FOS Neb
FOS Djfireside
FOS Skullfulsniper

And the rest I'm just willing to vote for if there's info on them or pressure is needed to get them more active.

Any objections?

Fasposted x2... We have a mason pair Hippo, and it's not even been a day yet, give him time to respond.

[Some7hingCLEVER]

ok i like the case on neb it seems well thought out and all but. i just dont wana jump on a bandwagon yet this early in the day. so i think pressuring an inactive is a good idea and if no info comes from it i will vote for neb.vote soundman

[cowboyz]

I think it was a doc save. If it was a role block I would think something would have happened to the attacker to stop the kill instead of something happening to the target to save him.

Also, somebody mentioned agent smith being a cult leader. The fact that the attacker was shooting at the target makes me believe that this was not an attempt to recruit somebody to the cult. If Smith is cult that means this attack was by a third group?

I think the second was a bus drive. Any ideas as to why somebody would bus drive freezie as opposed to anybody else?

I agree with chucks thoughts exactly. We are unsure of the bus drivers alignment though, mafia bus drivers would want to switch the people they want to kill, to have a better chance to kill their target. Freezie, although not the most active, is seen as a veteran on these forums, I can see why someone would want to attack him first.

I also want to comment that the Night 1 flavor really does seem to confirm that the characters that do NOT go into the matrix are likely to be Vanilla Townies. We still have to tread lightly, the mafia has obviously picked up on this and will be fakeclaiming someone from zion

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Agree

And yes, i think that if we have these 2 night scenes, we probably have a serial killer. I think agent smith being a serial killer and then mafia being machines..

Semi agree. Maybe mafia are some characters in matrix like twins or such. who knows.
But I do think Smith as SK would make a lot of sense and then mafia faction.

Case on neb...yea he feels a bit strange but no different from yesterday to me.
I would like to hear from Doom, he is not clear but Jak and Doom are supposed mason's
And I agree with Jak atm, we have lot of inactives, would like to hear everyone's thoughts on N1.

[Djfireside]

I think it was a doc save. If it was a role block I would think something would have happened to the attacker to stop the kill instead of something happening to the target to save him.

Also, somebody mentioned agent smith being a cult leader. The fact that the attacker was shooting at the target makes me believe that this was not an attempt to recruit somebody to the cult. If Smith is cult that means this attack was by a third group?

I think the second was a bus drive. Any ideas as to why somebody would bus drive freezie as opposed to anybody else?

I agree with chucks thoughts exactly. We are unsure of the bus drivers alignment though, mafia bus drivers would want to switch the people they want to kill, to have a better chance to kill their target. Freezie, although not the most active, is seen as a veteran on these forums, I can see why someone would want to attack him first.

I also want to comment that the Night 1 flavor really does seem to confirm that the characters that do NOT go into the matrix are likely to be Vanilla Townies. We still have to tread lightly, the mafia has obviously picked up on this and will be fakeclaiming someone from zion

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Agree

And yes, i think that if we have these 2 night scenes, we probably have a serial killer. I think agent smith being a serial killer and then mafia being machines..

Semi agree. Maybe mafia are some characters in matrix like twins or such. who knows.
But I do think Smith as SK would make a lot of sense and then mafia faction.

Case on neb...yea he feels a bit strange but no different from yesterday to me.
I would like to hear from Doom, he is not clear but Jak and Doom are supposed mason's
And I agree with Jak atm, we have lot of inactives, would like to hear everyone's thoughts on N1.

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The only white suits that I can remember are the twins and switch as well

Switch was female.

You are right, The HE jumped off the bridge should have triggered it. I would have to believe it is the twins.

While I would tend to believe that the twins may be tied somehow, they are not the driving force as the scene seems to disprove that theory based on 2 agents chasing down 2 victims. Both were the black suit and glasses which suggests agents. The thought on smith definately makes sense. The doc save does appear to be valid as would go with the meta of the game.

I would like to hear from Doom, he is not clear but Jak and Doom are supposed mason's

What are you trying hear from them about? The flavor of their masonry or how their chars fit together? I tend to believe it and havent been given thoughts otherwise and based on that mafia wouldnt be mason'ed for simplistic purposes. Only reason would be you think they are lying.

Not sure where you are going with this?

As for the current looks

Neb: His action on D1 was a bit strange and it did strike alot of people off including myself towards the end. Im not sure what his motives were and alot of their comments regarding having to read all the pages and being thrown off by football just adds to the fun. I guess Im waiting to hear what they have to say before lay onto them based on the outcome since locke a townie died he may have some thought on it so want to hear that.

Soundman: I dont really remember much on soundman in going through and does appear to be somewhat hidden and I know they noted they were going to be gone for a bit but seems a bit is a while.

Skillfu: Made a accusation that was quickly retracted early in the day but that was about it from him and nothing much other than that throughout.

I have somewhat of a FOS on skillfu and want to hear from soundman as well and just curious to hear from cowboyz on what they posted.