Skyrim Mafia Endgame: Hail Sithis! (3/18) Skyrim Wins!

[Iron Butterfly]

Fine by me, though my vote will not be lifted until another case is presented (Which in our fight let pretty much everyone slip by without much or nothing). Again, tomorrow I'm calling out inactives.

As for the aggressiveness, check my Meta game style It's how I roll.

It is how you roll but that is not a good thing. It makes you very active but just frustrates everyone else and makes them not want to post.

Every game is the same with you. You argue for the sake of arguing and how can anyone join in? You make little sense.

And if I wasn't aggressive we'd still be in joke vote stage with only a week left It annoys people but deep down inside they like it ;P

So before you started playing games here they stayed in joke stage forever?

We would surely all be lost without his guidance.

[kageryuu]

Well I am glad that argument is done.

It was interesting but was getting a little bit longwinded lol.

Can we not write in dragon script anymore? Please.

EBWOP

understood no more dragonscript

[ghostly447]

Oh, this game is finally getting out of the joke stage which it should have about 5 pages ago when everyone was on their knees begging for the pain to stop.

As far as my vote I will not be placing it anywehre yet. To me, the PCM v Jak case seemed more like a Town v Town argument. They both responded pretty well and if anything it is a case that needs to simmer down and have both sides wait for a major slip to bring back the case and hopefully pin them with a stronger bit of evidence. I dont like forcing a claim with weak evidence.

It doesnt sit well with me that Jak admitted he would scim, especially while he is trying to make a case and a argue his point.

As for another case, I will try to find one today when I have more time unless someone can go back and find a stronger one to go off of before I do.

[LSU Tiger Josh]

Fine by me, though my vote will not be lifted until another case is presented (Which in our fight let pretty much everyone slip by without much or nothing). Again, tomorrow I'm calling out inactives.

As for the aggressiveness, check my Meta game style It's how I roll.

It is how you roll but that is not a good thing. It makes you very active but just frustrates everyone else and makes them not want to post.

Every game is the same with you. You argue for the sake of arguing and how can anyone join in? You make little sense.

And if I wasn't aggressive we'd still be in joke vote stage with only a week left It annoys people but deep down inside they like it ;P

So before you started playing games here they stayed in joke stage forever?

We would surely all be lost without his guidance.

Unvote since Kager was just a joke vote. Reading the last several pages reminds me a lot of an old mafia game called Robin Hood where myself and AD went at it for a while when he tried to lynch me until I finally had to give out my role to stop a lynch since I did start going with some silly comments such as ignoring "idiots" and other stuff. Jak saying you will ignore so and so in a game is counter productive to finding the scum out since they may have a scum slip up or actually give good evidence later in the game that can help us win the game. As such I'll give you a FOS, but won't vote you at this time.

In regards to getting us on to serious posts, it has never happened in any game that I ever played where it never wound up going to a serious point and leading to a lynch on Day 1 although Robin Hood came close with about 80 pages of stuff on day 1.

Ghostly as painful as it was to read that, imagine doing that for about 50 more pages before we finally just lynched one of the two that kept drawing it out in Robin Hood.

Dragon script is not needed in here since some if not most of us don't know how to read that script.

[nagerous]

The whole of day 1 is a joke anyway, there is nothing really to go off on. Instead we get pages normally of people feeling frustrated and arguing with each other, with accusations of skimming, inactivity, bandwagoning, fence-sitting, over aggressive-ness, under aggressiveness thrown about like nobodies business. Normally the most annoying player happens to be the one lynched, and rarely is he actually scum. At the moment jak is doing a good job of fitting that bill, particularly with his moronic comments like the fact that he will skim all of PCM's posts on that issue. Kageryuu sits second in my book, for posting something that won't even display on my computer which is highly frustrating. Then we have dazza who is moaning about a little bit of chat about the actual game the the mafia is based upon! However, whilst these are annoying I wouldn't say they were scummy.

[pancakemix]

Oh, this game is finally getting out of the joke stage which it should have about 5 pages ago when everyone was on their knees begging for the pain to stop.

As far as my vote I will not be placing it anywehre yet. To me, the PCM v Jak case seemed more like a Town v Town argument. They both responded pretty well and if anything it is a case that needs to simmer down and have both sides wait for a major slip to bring back the case and hopefully pin them with a stronger bit of evidence. I dont like forcing a claim with weak evidence.

It doesnt sit well with me that Jak admitted he would scim, especially while he is trying to make a case and a argue his point.

As for another case, I will try to find one today when I have more time unless someone can go back and find a stronger one to go off of before I do.

What was this then?

I dont like hopping on BW's, especially since I just got back, but Jak overall seems to be conveying more of a scummy case. PCM broke it down to the point where it became clear Jak had really no case. The thing that gets me the most is the Jak will now refuse to throw any sort of response at PCM because PCM cant find solid evidence...On D1...But last time I checked, a case proven completely false=....Evidence.

So with that, I will unvote if needed and vote Jak

I hope this is a good enough post. From what I could tell, there wasnt much more I could add that hasnt been said. I just got back and havent been on for about 40-46 hours, so thats all ive got for now! But I plan to get more active.

[XenHu]

Interesting. Freudian slip perhaps?

Think it was Jak who mentioned calling out 'in-actives'(no, don't start that argument again) and off the top of my head, it's been awhile since we've heard from Clever, hasn't it?

-X

[dazza2008]

Then we have dazza who is moaning about a little bit of chat about the actual game the the mafia is based upon!

I know you are not saying it is scummy, but was I really moaning about it? All I said is that I don't know/care about what is better. That is not moaning it is just stating my feelings on the topic. I wanted to get to playing the game and we have now so happy days.

[Iron Butterfly]

The whole of day 1 is a joke anyway, there is nothing really to go off on. Instead we get pages normally of people feeling frustrated and arguing with each other, with accusations of skimming, inactivity, bandwagoning, fence-sitting, over aggressive-ness, under aggressiveness thrown about like nobodies business. Normally the most annoying player happens to be the one lynched, and rarely is he actually scum. At the moment jak is doing a good job of fitting that bill, particularly with his moronic comments like the fact that he will skim all of PCM's posts on that issue. Kageryuu sits second in my book, for posting something that won't even display on my computer which is highly frustrating. Then we have dazza who is moaning about a little bit of chat about the actual game the the mafia is based upon! However, whilst these are annoying I wouldn't say they were scummy.

Day one really is a case of damned if you do and damned if you don't.

I have really come to understand that on day one, unless there is a major miscue on someones part scumslip wise, strong cases will not be built. As the game progresses it becomes easier to catch the lies and misteps of others from town night actions and astute observation.

[jak111]

It doesnt sit well with me that Jak admitted he would scim, especially while he is trying to make a case and a argue his point.

Jak saying you will ignore so and so in a game is counter productive to finding the scum out since they may have a scum slip up or actually give good evidence later in the game that can help us win the game. As such I'll give you a FOS, but won't vote you at this time.

Not going to pick a fight with these two but I just want to clear things up for them. YES I said I'd skim. But not every single post. If you read it, only posts regarding the fight would be skimmed until he can bring new evidence against me to the table or I can bring new evidence against him. Obviously I knew people were getting tired of it, but I swear, I'm damned if I do do something, and I'm damned if I don't. I made a case to start D1 seriously, I got fought with. If I didn't, I'd be fought with because it wouldn't 'fit' me or they'd call me out for not contributing. I tried to forcefully stop the argument that had no new information coming in, especially with people being inactive and using it as an excuse for not posting (Yes an argument can be annoying, that's why.. excuse my language... you man the f*ck up and bring something to the table instead of being bystanders, not judging if that's how you roll, but if you're going to complain about people actually doing something when you complain earlier that no one's doing anything then I have a problem with you). But if I didn't try and stop it people would continue to whine.

Math talk: If Statements
If I bring up a case, then people will be pissed.
If people are pissed, then I bring up a case.

I talk a lot and lead the days into discussion IFF people are inactive/not contributing.
End of Math talk

So for those complaining "Oh aggressiveness is not a good thing" Yadda yadda yadda, then actually be active and show me how a 'good' player plays, or do they sit on the side lines the entire game because they don't want to PLAY it?

Not to sound rude, but any more complaints about how I choose to play when others are slacking off (which is true to a point, there's some that are active always, but I mean the ones that aren't), then I'll start complaining and being on you ass for how you play or NOT play, depending whom it is. Sorry if you find me offensive, sorry if I get in people's faces, sorry if I am wrong at times, but guess what. Not many of you even attempt to try at the game (which I mean in the kindest way I can <.< >.>), I'm a gamer to the death, and when I play games I PLAY them whether or not you like that fact, there's the door, make sure to close it on your way out.

Sorry for my ranting guys, I'm just tired of people attacking how I approach a game when they don't approach it at all unless the heat is on someone else and they can hide in attacking them. If you really think it's bad to get into a game and be active then lynch me, because I can guarantee that as long as I live, I'm going to be aggressive, spark conversations, point people out, piss people off (which I don't mean to but actually playing the game seems to do that), and actually try my best to win the game for town while having fun doing it. Which no offense guys, but a few of you got your panties in a knot at times, just saying.

Now then.. I think I'm done ranting, I swear, I plan to type a single sentence or two and I go right off in peoples faces... Time to post my list of inactives (whether or not they are vacationing they are on the list)

Bounty List
~Edocsil - Hasn't reported in for 3 days, hasn't spoken since the conversation turned serious.
~LSU - Before his latest post, hasn't spoken for 5 days. Activity needs to see an increase in the next few days or so.
~New Guy - Hasn't reported in for 4 days, still was in the joke vote stage.
~jrl/soundman - Whichever one is in the game (either jrl, or soundman replaced him) neither has commented on the game. (This is more of a case I think the mod should be looking at!)

Besides the those 4 everyone seems pretty active or at least posted daily.

My thoughts on the 4:
~Edoc - Could be pressured
~New Guy - Should be pressured
~LSU - Needs to up his activity
~jrl/soundman - Mod needs pressure

[new guy1]

Yep, sorry to say I have the same reasoning for being gone as ghostly, just been out alot and dont have much to add. Instead of posting last night I was too tired to do so and so just read up and fell asleep. And I dont want to start a shit storm by posting things that have already been posted before, and so I will just write up on current events. For jak, I can see why he gets pissed off because he is pressured just about every game Ive been in with him. As for Iron Butterfly's post on being damned whether you post or not, I have found that I never really get the hang of the joke voting and so when I do post regularly I find I am pressured much more then when I am quiet. Therefore whether I am town or not it helps to keep me from having to claim, therefore keeping me from revealing powerroles and whatnot. This is hinting Im not a VT, as when Im a VT I speak alot more as I dont have much to lose.

[everywhere116]

Soundman replaced jrl333

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Really newguy? Was it necessary to declare you are not a VT? Does that help town in any way? FOS for that

I'm willing to go for inactives I suppose, Vote edoc, the few posts he has made are one liners, he did the same in the recently ended Two Sides as godfather/miller.

[new guy1]

Really newguy? Was it necessary to declare you are not a VT? Does that help town in any way? FOS for that

I'm willing to go for inactives I suppose, Vote edoc, the few posts he has made are one liners, he did the same in the recently ended Two Sides as godfather/miller.

Well it is a hint, as I said. Of course that could be a clever rouse to get mafia to waste a nightkill.

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definition of hint: "A brief or indirect suggestion", "I am hinting I am not x" is not a hint, it's a mind screw.

[edocsil]

At jaks request, I am in fact here. I have been busy irl, notice a similar drop in my other threads as well. Not sure if I would really call this conversation "serious" yet, but w/e. There isn't anything worth pouncing on at the moment so I haven't had anything to say. I was only adding to the off topic chatter so I decided to shut up for a moment and see what happens.

Yep, sorry to say I have the same reasoning for being gone as ghostly, just been out alot and dont have much to add. Instead of posting last night I was too tired to do so and so just read up and fell asleep. And I dont want to start a shit storm by posting things that have already been posted before, and so I will just write up on current events. For jak, I can see why he gets pissed off because he is pressured just about every game Ive been in with him. As for Iron Butterfly's post on being damned whether you post or not, I have found that I never really get the hang of the joke voting and so when I do post regularly I find I am pressured much more then when I am quiet. Therefore whether I am town or not it helps to keep me from having to claim, therefore keeping me from revealing powerroles and whatnot. This is hinting Im not a VT, as when Im a VT I speak alot more as I dont have much to lose.

This however, is worth jumping on. There was no need for this softclaim and all it would do is make you a scum target at night. To me it screams of a scum with a solid fake who is trying to set up for when he is eventually forced to claim. Scum likely need to worry about NKs as much as the town in this game, Cant exactly see the Dovahkiin being a VT or something. Dollars to doughnuts says he is a vig.


Also, holy fastpost. Not going to further reply to accusations of inactivity, as I am not about to get lynch over them.

[new guy1]

definition of hint: "A brief or indirect suggestion", "I am hinting I am not x" is not a hint, it's a mind screw.

Sorry, I guess I didnt give a hint, just anti-soft claimed then. Haha.

fastposted- I have already posted that it could be a rouse.

[edocsil]

yearg. Too much wifom to argue that point.

Also Unvote Vote NG1 as I intended.

[new guy1]

yearg. Too much wifom to argue that point.

Also Unvote Vote NG1 as I intended.

I guess I cant argue that. This is why I dont talk much day one, the first thing I say always seems scummy to people when I dont think twice about it .

[XenHu]

Yep, sorry to say I have the same reasoning for being gone as ghostly, just been out alot and dont have much to add. Instead of posting last night I was too tired to do so and so just read up and fell asleep. And I dont want to start a shit storm by posting things that have already been posted before, and so I will just write up on current events. For jak, I can see why he gets pissed off because he is pressured just about every game Ive been in with him. As for Iron Butterfly's post on being damned whether you post or not, I have found that I never really get the hang of the joke voting and so when I do post regularly I find I am pressured much more then when I am quiet. Therefore whether I am town or not it helps to keep me from having to claim, therefore keeping me from revealing powerroles and whatnot. This is hinting Im not a VT, as when Im a VT I speak alot more as I dont have much to lose.

Oh. Wow. Nope, that's not hinting. You might as well have hung a sign. You do realize that if you're alive tomorrow, there are going to be a lot of questions. Really, the mafia can play us like violins for another day if you think about it. Let you live, we waste a day either lynching you, or going back and forth about it until we end up(possibly) lynching someone else. Kill you in the night and, well, either we've lost an important role, or we've lost just another body.

Well it is a hint, as I said. Of course that could be a clever rouse to get mafia to waste a nightkill.

IMO, no nightkill is wasted. A kill is a kill, and at the very least, it's one less town(Albeit, I've never been a fan of abiding a village idiot ). Now, as I've said, no knowledge of the setting, but it sounds like we are dealing with three sides here, just going off of the flavor text posted by Mod. Which means that there are probably some odd VCs(Victory Conditions) out there.

Jesus, ain't this just a peach.

-X

[XenHu]

For jak, I can see why he gets pissed off because he is pressured just about every game Ive been in with him.

Just wanting to add, whether this is true or not, I don't really see how that should carry over into every new game that's played. I've never played with him, does that mean he gets to be aggressive with me too? Because that's just stupid.

-X

[new guy1]

Yep. I got the part where it was a stupid decision to post that from edoc, you really didnt need to go into detail on it. And yep, Im sure now that you posted how mafia could just play this like a violin thats exactly what they will do. Thanks for pointing it out to everyone.

fastposted- I dont know, he just seems to be pressured first pretty much every game I play with him.

[XenHu]

Yep. I got the part where it was a stupid decision to post that from edoc, you really didnt need to go into detail on it. And yep, Im sure now that you posted how mafia could just play this like a violin thats exactly what they will do. Thanks for pointing it out to everyone.

Yeah, you know, you're quite welcome. I mean, come on! If the mafia aren't a bag of bricks, of course that's what they'll do! It's not rocket science! They already have the gun, you gave them the bullets, not me. Don't try and spin this into something it isn't.

-X

[new guy1]

Yep. I got the part where it was a stupid decision to post that from edoc, you really didnt need to go into detail on it. And yep, Im sure now that you posted how mafia could just play this like a violin thats exactly what they will do. Thanks for pointing it out to everyone.

Yeah, you know, you're quite welcome. I mean, come on! If the mafia aren't a bag of bricks, of course that's what they'll do! It's not rocket science! They already have the gun, you gave them the bullets, not me. Don't try and spin this into something it isn't.

-X

If I was going to spin it onto you then I would have FOS'ed and followed with a case. I realize I am the one to blame here, but if you dont plan to pursue it then drop it, if you want a claim and possibly lynchee, then convince everyone else that they should vote for me. Quit being so paranoid dude!

[edocsil]

Yep. I got the part where it was a stupid decision to post that from edoc, you really didnt need to go into detail on it. And yep, Im sure now that you posted how mafia could just play this like a violin thats exactly what they will do. Thanks for pointing it out to everyone.

fastposted- I dont know, he just seems to be pressured first pretty much every game I play with him.

Screw it, he isn't scum. I'm calling meta on this one, I don't think he intended as much WIFOM as I elaborated. I have played enough with him that I think I can say he isn't there yet. Unvote
It was just a bad move, and one that is unlikely to be repeated.