TOMBSTONE MAFIA *Day 7* MAFIA WIN!!!!!!

[wicked]

I was suspicious "yesterday" of IGS, so will continue that theme and vote for him again today for submarining and regurgitating...

vote IGS

subject to change if any new evidence pops up

I'm also highly suspicious of Moz for changing his playing style... he NEVER talks this much!!

FOS MOZ

[Aegnor]

Hi everyone. Wow got lots of reading to do

[mandalorian2298]

Ok, I just re-red the first 20 pages and my head hurts. It took me a while longer then I expected because of the ManUtd. - Milan game.
The Result: almost nothing. All I have is a FOS got tonkaed
FOS IGS
FOS jnd
I base my FOSes on the fact that every time jnd attracts suspicion, one of these two guys jumps up and advises him to wach his actions. It happened in the begining of Day 1 and during Day 2. If you wan't quotes, you can get them tommorow, because my Explorer got blocked while opening the 36th page in 36th window and I don't feel strong enough to re-read again.

[got tonkaed]

mando fwiw, i dont think i really got on jnd's case, i actually think i did the opposite, as i know aimless is scum and figured that the way jnd plays people might be tempted to axe him because hes a non contributor. However i have already linked igs to aimless so i can be ok with that line of reasoning. However as ive said before its aimless we have to get today and i dont really want to have to provide the obvious evidence unless i have to

[mandalorian2298]

mando fwiw, i dont think i really got on jnd's case, i actually think i did the opposite, as i know aimless is scum and figured that the way jnd plays people might be tempted to axe him because hes a non contributor. However i have already linked igs to aimless so i can be ok with that line of reasoning. However as ive said before its aimless we have to get today and i dont really want to have to provide the obvious evidence unless i have to

Unless this evidence is quoting a post from Narc (wich is a no-no ), give! give!

[Aegnor]

Ok I've just read the last 20 pages and will Vote Aimless.
I believe he already put an effort into looking "innocent" with his "Don't lynch for the sake of lynching" post. After reading tonka's arguments it adds up together. Plus, I have a pretty good hunch about it.

[got tonkaed]

i dont think i should have to give it as of yet, and i dont think i will do so unless we cant figure out a way to lynch aimless, but trust me, aimless is scum.

[wicked]

well tonk'd, you've pretty much come out anyway... anyone but the stupidest mafia would have figured it out by now anyway (if in fact, aim is scum as you say). there's only so much dancing around the issue one can do, pretty soon it just becomes obvious. so yeah, I'm piping up to point at the elephant in the room.

A concern at this point is that you're a version of whatever that gives out false reads. A bigger concern is that you're mafia claiming one thing, in hopes to get the real thing to pipe up and out himself, if you get my drift.

So it seems the options now are,
1. Aim is scum and you're town
2. Aim is town and you're town getting false info
3. Aime is town and you're mafia setting a ruse

So yeah, I'm asking you to come out and talk about it, so we can figure out which of the above is true. Am I trying to out you? No... you already did that with your "I know he's scum" routine.

[got tonkaed]

im actually not a cop wicked. Basically i had never heard of this role before this game, but anark had claimed he had some twists and i guess my role makes sense within the context of the wild west.

I am a gambler. Basically every night im offered a game to play with the mod. Depending on how i do in the game certain options are opened up to me. I actually lost my game last night where if i had won i would have the oppertunity to protect AK who i had confirmed to me had a pro town role.

However, the game that i have for today was going into today, i was given the name of a player, which shouldnt be in doubt. I was also given his affiliation. Now because i was given his affiliation, and im fairly sure that im not insane, just degenerate lol, i was told that if i dont get him lynched today, i commit suicide tonight. However, if i was able to get him lynched i was going to be protected from a night kill for one night of my choosing, which i was planning on using tonight under the premise that i wouldnt have to claim and would be assumed to be the cop. Best laid plans i suppose.

So really all that i know today is that aimless is scum. If i dont get him lynched and he is scum, then i die tonight. If aimless is in fact scum, and since i was confirmed on AK i would assume im am sane, and i die, theres an extra dead townie and no way to confirm whether or not aimless is scum.

So thats all i know for now.

[Aegnor]

Wicked all your points are of course valid. I just want to add that from what I understand, tonka has some evidence that if "put on the table" would make him prime target for the mafia. Actually I believe he's already marked by the mafia for simply suggesting that he holds evidence against aimless at all.
I just fear from the worst case scenario where tonka has some investigative role and dies to mafia, while Aimless is scum and keeps posing a threat.

[Colaalone]

Thats enough evidence for me
VOTE AIMLESS

Sorry about the lackluster participation lately.
Im gonna re-read the thread and get ready for the next day.

[wicked]

i was given the name of a player, which shouldnt be in doubt. I was also given his affiliation. Now because i was given his affiliation,

So really all that i know today is that aimless is scum. If i dont get him lynched and he is scum, then i die tonight. If aimless is in fact scum

OK I was with you until you contradicted yourself. You've said you were told he was scum, and then turn around and say "IF" he is scum. Which is it??

I think perhaps your role is more likely one of a lyncher, whose sole purpose is to lynch someone, usually a townie.

[got tonkaed]

im speaking from a broader perspective there wicked, from a broader game perspective. Im not sure what exactly it is about me in general that makes you as opposed to everyone else so uncooperative but the fact that you continue to refuse to follow evidence whenever i present it makes me wonder what exactly your reservations are.

You were incredibly slow to pick up on the fake cop tell, despite the fact that i tried to bludgeon it down the game, and then apparently you decided to let everyone know about it, when it was clear that there were players who still hadnt picked up on it. Im just not exactly sure what you are driving at.

[Aegnor]

I think perhaps your role is more likely one of a lyncher, whose sole purpose is to lynch someone, usually a townie.

If I understood him correctly I believe that he contradicted himself due to the
possibility of having an insane role. However he stated that AK was confirmed to him to be a townie, and AK was in fact a townie, which in my opinion, rules out the option that tonka is insane.

[wicked]

tonka, I'm not refusing the follow evidence, I'm trying to make sure for myself that what you're presenting is true. to borrow a line from you, "it's how I play". I don't bandwagon, I don't follow blindly, you're going to have to convince me to get a vote. Whenever someone claims, first thing I will always do is mention they might not be sane... same as you wondered about your own role. You said yourself your role was confirmed sane when IC showed up as town. I was not questioning your sanity, rather your contradictions. Mafia tend to contradict themselves, which threw up a red flag for me. Are you mafia? I don't know, but there's always a possibility. Right now, I want to believe you, but those contradictions are nagging at me. I'll need to re-read your posts before making up my mind.

[wicked]

I'd like to hear from Aimless.

[MountainLion]

If what he says is true, seems like a very strange role...a strange situation. Perhaps Anark is trying to even out the playing field since no mafia have died yet. Also you probably should have kept your night kill protection to yourself. It's useful information for the mafia.

Is it just me or has unriggable not shown up yet for Day 2?

[got tonkaed]

wick i understand your concern, but i dont really think there have been that many contradictions, considering how much i have posted and the quanitity of what ive said. Ive been getting information from a mod. Anytime you get information in an investigative fashion there have to be concerns over sanity.

What i cant understand from you and maybe you can help with with this. I know your a good mafia player, but what i cant understand is why you would think i would push investigative type information without being assured of my sanity on day 3. I mean i may not have played in games with andy as a mod, but im not an idiot. Im just as careful until im assured of what i know, and the fact that i felt i could confirm the information i was getting through what happened with AK was what led me to play this situation against aimless like i am. If i honestly had thought sanity was issue i certainly wouldnt have pushed aimless so hard from the beginning of the day, i would have certainly considered whether or not my role was valuable enough to push things in such an abrupt fashion.

[got tonkaed]

mountain, i havent won my protection yet, for me to do so i have to get aimless lynched, though if i dont get him lynched having protection either way wouldnt really matter since im suicide if he isnt lynched.

[wicked]

The only contradictions I'm talking about is in your role claim post, which I highlighted. I thought it seemed like a slip of the tongue to me. I've caught mafia before like that.

I don't know you tonka, don't recall ever playing with you, so have no clue what kind of player you are.... hence my reservations.

I'm not saying I'm not going to vote Aimless, if this is all we have to go on, I'm just holding out to hear from him, and re-read your posts to see if I think you're trustworthy.

[got tonkaed]

actually you have played with me in a game concurrently. I brought out an investiagtion of puff which was a confirmed death of mandolorian, was very upfront about it and you said well i cant bandwagon or look at evidence or something. You may not remember me, but having 2 investigative type results and having you yet to even really considering believing me, its hard not to be frusterated with teh fact that you apparently dont like evidence. On top of that your a good player so i shouldnt have to role claim to get things done when i spell it out, especially when moz seemed to understand my role and it was vaguely clear mando did too.

[wicked]

tonka, I was on the rescue ship for Auto's game, and not there yet for what you're talking about.

[got tonkaed]

absolutly false, i ran the results of the investigation right after we merged and it eventually resulted with i believe you joining the overwhelming bandwagon in the lynch of puff on the first day of the merged mission.

[Aimless]

However, the game that i have for today was going into today, i was given the name of a player, which shouldnt be in doubt. I was also given his affiliation. Now because i was given his affiliation, and im fairly sure that im not insane, just degenerate lol, i was told that if i dont get him lynched today, i commit suicide tonight. However, if i was able to get him lynched i was going to be protected from a night kill for one night of my choosing, which i was planning on using tonight under the premise that i wouldnt have to claim and would be assumed to be the cop. Best laid plans i suppose.

Well, before, I was pretty sure you were town. As of now... less sure.

That role claim is as contrived as possible to get me lynched. I don't believe it for a second, which makes me think you have some ulterior motive here. But, let's consider the claim itself, on the merits :

First, the claim presents to the town a dilemma - either lynch me, or you die tonight. If I were scum, and you lynched me, then claiming a role like this would immediately get you killed. If I'm not scum, you hang tomorrow. However, the same would be true of any other power role making a claim.

On the other hand, because you claim that if you fail to lynch me you commit suicide, you are attempting to force the town to make a choice today, without anything else out there to verify your claim. And, further, because the claim is so contrived, there's no possibility of a counter-claim.

In other words, this is exactly the type of claim you would make if, for some reason, your role required you to get someone lynched, and be damned of the consequences. I said before that I didn't think a mafia would have the motivation to come up with an argument this creative, but there is a scum role that would. You aren't town; you aren't mafia; you're a lyncher.

To the town : I don't believe his claim for a second (although, it's obvious I would say something like this, since he's targeting me), but I do have a proposal. If you lynch me, he wins, leaves the game, and after tonight's NK the town is down to 12. If you don't lynch me, he supposedly commits suicide, but you can use that as a confirmation that I'm not scum - either he dies, and the town is down to 12 with 1 confirmed scum (a better situation than the above), or he lives, the town is at 13, and you have two people who are confirmed not to be mafia.

[wicked]

and the fact you're making up stuff about me makes me less inclined to believe you here.