Poll on Marriage (Fed vs State vs. Church)

[Phatscotty]

Poll on Marriage

[Ace Rimmer]

Define radical.

[Symmetry]

This should be interesting. My bet, Scotty uses a dictionary.

[Phatscotty]

Define radical.

outside of tradition, outside of the norm, fundamental change, against the main stream

[Symmetry]

Define radical.

outside of tradition, outside of the norm, fundamental change

Dictionary?

[Phatscotty]

14:34:10 ‹Phatscotty› every single swing state in America has moved to define marriage as between one man and one woman
14:34:14 ‹Phatscotty› this will hurt obama big time
14:34:29 ‹Phatscotty› obama's base is the most anti-gay marriage out of anyone
14:35:13 ‹Phatscotty› and Obama's flip flop will motivate the evangelicals he had last time and needs this time more than ever

[Ace Rimmer]

Define radical.

outside of tradition, outside of the norm, fundamental change, against the main stream

Freeing the slaves was radical by your definition.

[Haggis_McMutton]

Sigh.

Internet cookie for who points out the fundamental problem with this question. Or hell, maybe just one of the fundamental problems.

[Ace Rimmer]

one of the fundamental problems.

Phatscotty posted it?

[Phatscotty]

Define radical.

outside of tradition, outside of the norm, fundamental change, against the main stream

Freeing the slaves was radical by your definition.

Nope. only in half of the states could it possibly be considered radical, and even at that many people in slave states were against slavery. The majority has always been for ending slavery. Ending slavery was the norm.

[Symmetry]

There's no poll on gay marriage transformation (whatever that was supposed to mean)?

[Culs De Sac]

Why is gay marriage so radical?

They have to work just like anyone else. They have to pay taxes like anyone else, they have to follow all the same laws and adhere to the same standards as any heterosexual.

however, because they choose to be with someone of the same sex, society currently states that they are not entitled to marry and receive the tax incentive, they don't get any discounts or adjustments that a "traditional" married couple would receive..

This is a no brainer people.. Anyone who feels otherwise is short sighted and simple minded.

And for all of those individuals who are going to choose to bring up the religion card, ill put it simply.

Religious texts agree that it is not your place to judge, that right is reserved for God (whichever faith you choose to follow). I can quote various lines which would support that.

Furthermore, Politics and Religion are suppose to be separate issues in the U.S. for those who don't remember church and state.. Marriage is a POLITICAL issue. Whether the church wants to allow it within the sanctity of their ESTABLISHMENT is a whole different beast of its own.

[Phatscotty]

Sigh.

Internet cookie for who points out the fundamental problem with this question. Or hell, maybe just one of the fundamental problems.

Haggis. this is all about love. If a man is in love with 3 women, why should anyone try to trample upon their civil rights?

[Phatscotty]

Why is gay marriage so radical?

They have to work just like anyone else. They have to pay taxes like anyone else, they have to follow all the same laws and adhere to the same standards as any heterosexual.

however, because they choose to be with someone of the same sex, society currently states that they are not entitled to marry and receive the tax incentive, they don't get any discounts or adjustments that a "traditional" married couple would receive..

This is a no brainer people.. Anyone who feels otherwise is short sighted and simple minded.

And for all of those individuals who are going to choose to bring up the religion card, ill put this is simply.

Religious texts agree that it is not your place to judge, that right is reserved for God (whichever faith you choose to follow). I can quote various lines which would support that.

Furthermore, Politics and Religion are suppose to be separate issues in the U.S. for those who don't remember church and state.. Marriage is a POLITICAL issue. Whether the church wants to allow it within the sanctity of their ESTABLISHMENT is a whole different beast of its own.

Many pro gay marriage people have made the point that if you are against same-sex marriage, you are homophobic.
Does the judging you talk about also include the people who judge those who wish to keep marriage traditional?

Marriage is definitely NOT a political issue.....absolutely not.

[Culs De Sac]

Being in "love" with three women is not the "problem." Polygamy is frowned upon because it decreases the gene pool and could possibly result in physiological and psychological deficits. If every individual chose to mate with several spouses at some point in time (assuming controlled area), you eventually start dating your half sister or cousin, etc.

And as for the issue on its own, are you opposed to 1 women having multiple male partners, if so, then you are a sexist trying to defend your wants to whorism =)

[Bones2484]

Many pro gay marriage people have made the point that if you are against same-sex marriage, you are homophobic.
Does the judging you talk about also include the people who judge those who wish to keep marriage traditional?

Marriage is definitely NOT a political issue.....absolutely not.

When it's tied to tax breaks and insurance coverage, it definitely is. Especially when you also ban civil unions.

[Symmetry]

Sigh.

Internet cookie for who points out the fundamental problem with this question. Or hell, maybe just one of the fundamental problems.

Haggis. this is all about love. If a man is in love with 3 women, why should anyone try to trample upon their civil rights?

Is the gay marriage debate about polygamy? Or about gay marriage? if you were honestly arguing for polygamy, you wouldn't have titled the thread in the way you have.

If you were honest about your opposition toward gay marriage, you'd come out of the closet and say so.

Instead, we have this thread, in which you're homophobic, but can't explain why.

[Phatscotty]

Sigh.

Internet cookie for who points out the fundamental problem with this question. Or hell, maybe just one of the fundamental problems.

Haggis. this is all about love. If a man is in love with 3 women, why should anyone try to trample upon their civil rights?

Is the gay marriage debate about polygamy? Or about gay marriage? if you were honestly arguing for polygamy, you wouldn't have titled the thread in the way you have.

If you were honest about your opposition toward gay marriage, you'd come out of the closet and say so.

Instead, we have this thread, in which you're homophobic, but can't explain why.

Marriage is about love. You will get the point better if you remember that

I 100% support gay marriage in New York. Is that what makes me homophobic?

[Symmetry]

Sigh.

Internet cookie for who points out the fundamental problem with this question. Or hell, maybe just one of the fundamental problems.

Haggis. this is all about love. If a man is in love with 3 women, why should anyone try to trample upon their civil rights?

Is the gay marriage debate about polygamy? Or about gay marriage? if you were honestly arguing for polygamy, you wouldn't have titled the thread in the way you have.

If you were honest about your opposition toward gay marriage, you'd come out of the closet and say so.

Instead, we have this thread, in which you're homophobic, but can't explain why.

Marriage is about love

I 100% support gay marriage in New York

Where don't you support it?

[Haggis_McMutton]

Sigh.

Internet cookie for who points out the fundamental problem with this question. Or hell, maybe just one of the fundamental problems.

Haggis. this is all about love. If a man is in love with 3 women, why should anyone try to trample upon their civil rights?

They shouldn't. Why would you think I'm against polygamy?

[Culs De Sac]

I didn't call anyone homophobic. I state its simple minded because you want to rationalize why they should not be allowed. Give me financial, socioeconomically, or any other practical reason on why Gay marriage should not be allowed.. How does it benefit or harm the economic structure, competency in job, etc

Marriage is a SOCIAL/Political issue.. You can be married by court and NEVER be married within a Church.. There IS a separation of the two.. I don't need to go to a priest to get married, i just go to a court and have a JUDGE say I pronounce you, etc etc.. That is POLITICAL not Religious.

It becomes a Religious issue if they wanted the CHURCH to recognize their marriage.. But the issues at hand all have to deal with the political functioning of a society.

Look at the military. Don't ask, Don't Tell.. But there were homosexuals and lesbians who served just as valiantly as anyone else. Did they do their job less efficiently, etc, etc?

[Symmetry]

Scotty just informed me that he's putting me on foe. I'd appreciate it if any other posters who see my replies to him simply quote me, and submit a relevant post so that he can see them.

[Culs De Sac]

For the record.. I hope no one expects this thread to have a happy medium or any amicable resolution =)

[Phatscotty]

Sigh.

Internet cookie for who points out the fundamental problem with this question. Or hell, maybe just one of the fundamental problems.

Haggis. this is all about love. If a man is in love with 3 women, why should anyone try to trample upon their civil rights?

They shouldn't. Why would you think I'm against polygamy?

Why are you against people who love each other getting married? I have no idea? But be careful what you say, some might label you anti-heterosexual.

[Phatscotty]

Sigh.

Internet cookie for who points out the fundamental problem with this question. Or hell, maybe just one of the fundamental problems.

Haggis. this is all about love. If a man is in love with 3 women, why should anyone try to trample upon their civil rights?

Is the gay marriage debate about polygamy? Or about gay marriage? if you were honestly arguing for polygamy, you wouldn't have titled the thread in the way you have.

If you were honest about your opposition toward gay marriage, you'd come out of the closet and say so.

Instead, we have this thread, in which you're homophobic, but can't explain why.

Marriage is about love

I 100% support gay marriage in New York

Where don't you support it?

neverrmind i misread you