Skyrim Mafia Endgame: Hail Sithis! (3/18) Skyrim Wins!

[jak111]

See, I love how blind PCM is playing, he only states activity in his list and thinks all the inactives are 'normal' Look at the Bulge or Matrix PCM, look at them and tell me where they are. Neither are going anywhere on a D2 phase with 60+ pages covered because we fight with each other and let the inactives.. be inactive.

If you think their playing is normal I'd hate to see what it'd take for you to see it as unnormal.

I also find it interesting that OTHERS that I didn't refer to when I said seek out the things on others, that they mention the joke votes stage when we are past that, and you do not. Yea, I'd say you weren't paying attention if there were a group of people still in joke votes and you didn't care enough to put them on your observations.

That being said, I find your list insufficient PCM, it's like commenting on the clouds... That one's round, that one's big, that one's small... see how short and 'descriptive' those are? I'm not sure how much 'water' PCM's view holds, but we'll never know if we don't know more about them clouds.

Onto the serious topic of the day, I like the discussion between New Guy and /, I don't think New Guy was a town slip, he had me convinced until his latest post.

Actually now I remember saying very vividly that I dont post much on day one because everytime I do I am called out on it for some reason unseen to me till they point it out. BAM! Whole case shot down by a point that was already there.

It seems like a last attempt to get away from / without answering his post fully, and just posting fluff, with this you gain a wanted level +1
Unvote, Vote New Guy

It's obvious no one else see's PCM as scummy as I do, but we'll see in the D2 phase. I'm willing to bet someone or I will catch his slips.

[edocsil]

See, I love how blind PCM is playing, he only states activity in his list and thinks all the inactives are 'normal' Look at the Bulge or Matrix PCM, look at them and tell me where they are. Neither are going anywhere on a D2 phase with 60+ pages covered because we fight with each other and let the inactives.. be inactive.

If you think their playing is normal I'd hate to see what it'd take for you to see it as unnormal.

I also find it interesting that OTHERS that I didn't refer to when I said seek out the things on others, that they mention the joke votes stage when we are past that, and you do not. Yea, I'd say you weren't paying attention if there were a group of people still in joke votes and you didn't care enough to put them on your observations.

That being said, I find your list insufficient PCM, it's like commenting on the clouds... That one's round, that one's big, that one's small... see how short and 'descriptive' those are? I'm not sure how much 'water' PCM's view holds, but we'll never know if we don't know more about them clouds.

Onto the serious topic of the day, I like the discussion between New Guy and /, I don't think New Guy was a town slip, he had me convinced until his latest post.

Actually now I remember saying very vividly that I dont post much on day one because everytime I do I am called out on it for some reason unseen to me till they point it out. BAM! Whole case shot down by a point that was already there.

It seems like a last attempt to get away from / without answering his post fully, and just posting fluff, with this you gain a wanted level +1
Unvote, Vote New Guy

It's obvious no one else see's PCM as scummy as I do, but we'll see in the D2 phase. I'm willing to bet someone or I will catch his slips.

New guy says the same dumb shit (no offense) every day one, and even similar things later on. You are explicitly trying to dive on an easy lynch to save your own skin.

[new guy1]

No offense taken. I hate D1 and so that is why I make very sarcastic and often very apathetic posts. I find that every case is made of fluff day one and so I take no notice of them except to use as evidence later, as you are relying on majorly people just making mistakes and getting lucky part of the time.

[jonty125]

I still see jak as #1 for a lynch.

FOS newguy seems to be using I'm always called out as a defense
FOS soundman says we should pressure kager; without voting him - a bit wishy washy.

[pancakemix]

See, I love how blind PCM is playing, he only states activity in his list and thinks all the inactives are 'normal' Look at the Bulge or Matrix PCM, look at them and tell me where they are. Neither are going anywhere on a D2 phase with 60+ pages covered because we fight with each other and let the inactives.. be inactive.

If you think their playing is normal I'd hate to see what it'd take for you to see it as unnormal.

That's just plain untrue. I pointed out things I thought were scummy. I pointed out about 4-5 people who need to say more. You sure I'm the one being blind?

Let's not forget that you and I have different definitions of "inactive"...

I also find it interesting that OTHERS that I didn't refer to when I said seek out the things on others, that they mention the joke votes stage when we are past that, and you do not. Yea, I'd say you weren't paying attention if there were a group of people still in joke votes and you didn't care enough to put them on your observations.

Wasn't aware of it until /'s response to that post I just made. I read that post and thought he was FOSing Xenhu and making a joke himself. Tell me, if you're so aware of it, why didn't you point it out?

That being said, I find your list insufficient PCM, it's like commenting on the clouds... That one's round, that one's big, that one's small... see how short and 'descriptive' those are? I'm not sure how much 'water' PCM's view holds, but we'll never know if we don't know more about them clouds.

You asked for a list, not a novel. I could write a novel if you'd like, but it would probably about space or something. You asked for my opinions on mafia players. That's what you got.

It's not as though I thought in any universe you'd actually think that list was sufficient...

Onto the serious topic of the day, I like the discussion between New Guy and /, I don't think New Guy was a town slip, he had me convinced until his latest post.

Actually now I remember saying very vividly that I dont post much on day one because everytime I do I am called out on it for some reason unseen to me till they point it out. BAM! Whole case shot down by a point that was already there.

It seems like a last attempt to get away from / without answering his post fully, and just posting fluff, with this you gain a wanted level +1
Unvote, Vote New Guy

It's obvious no one else see's PCM as scummy as I do, but we'll see in the D2 phase. I'm willing to bet someone or I will catch his slips.

At this point, I can tell you're just running scared. Your vote on cowboyz "being inactive" is more legitimate than ever, and now you decide to turn away?

If I am being blind (and I don't think I am), at the very least I see some more important things, like the way you won't address my case directly, and how you outright lie about what I've said.

FOS soundman says we should pressure kager; without voting him - a bit wishy washy.

Um.

Vote Kager. He's posted nothing but fluff and has been missing for a while.

[jonty125]

FOS soundman says we should pressure kager; without voting him - a bit wishy washy.

Um.

Vote Kager. He's posted nothing but fluff and has been missing for a while.

My bad. VC said sound is not voting.

[jak111]

There isn't much to address from you PCM, besides some things you decide to try and pick apart on. Now you say my case on Cowboyz was legit? Really? I think you're just trying to do strawman logic.
Me: "I vote Cowboyz for being inactive himself and making a deal about inactives"
PCM Strawman: "I vote Jak for voting Cowboyz, herp derp"
Me: "I vote New Guy to help with the case and help out OTHERS"
PCM Strawman: "But your case on Cowboyz was legit, now you're running scared, herp derp"

Yes, I'm totally shaking in my shoes PCM. I'm sort of wondering how many of the people are voting me for the wagon, for the 'cases' you bring up on me, or just to vote, and I wonder how many people don't vote me for other cases, they believe what I say, or are inactive. The ones following your case, can they tell me what makes sense of your posts? Besides going to a band wagon you have no real logic. I vote for Cowboyz, you're after me, I unvote Cowboyz, you're after me. So do you want me to do a paradox vote? You must be really out to get me if I'm not allowed to be on either side of the fence that you put up for no apparent reason.

*Voting for Cowboyz*
~Fence~
*Not voting for Cowboyz*

All I'm going to say to you PCM, is MAKE UP YOUR MIND of which side of the fence you like, because right now your logic is in the BW that you were accusing me of when I gave my reasons for voting Cowboyz. Thus, further strengthening my suspicion of something going on with you.

You say I have acted scummy? Where have I acted any differently than you're acting against me? Besides starting the day off with a small case I haven't done anything terribly bad if anyone cares to go check. You jumped right on me the second I decide to get the game into something serious which is funny because usually you'd think someone would be thankful for getting out of the BS part of D1. But nope, not you.

If you want me to go at you directly PCM, I could but I don't want to spam more paragraphs to deaf ears. You've been dead set on me ever since I really got the day started for us, but HEY, that's a total scum move, right?

As for the New Guy case, because you know, I want to contribute to town instead of acting childish with continuing a pointless fight (which you do seem like a 5 year old right now PCM, "BUT HE SAID I'M UGLY MOMMY!") So far I've given my reasons for moving on from PCM, not Cowboyz, Herp Derp, to New Guy. The only thing I can say to Edoc since that's the only person so far who has really commented anything on New Guy since my last post, is that I'm going to New Guy BECAUSE he seems scummy to me and others think so as well. He'd not be scummy if he wasn't complaining about the case on him and avoiding /. Yes, I'm well aware I'm avoiding PCM, but that's because he's like a child who just lost his favorite pacifier, whining about this and that about me, while doing it himself. If he's going to call me out on something he might as well take his time to not do it himself.

[Leehar]

FOS soundman says we should pressure kager; without voting him - a bit wishy washy.

Um.

Vote Kager. He's posted nothing but fluff and has been missing for a while.

My bad. VC said sound is not voting.

Yeah, it was after that vc. You weren't triggered by the fact that you called me out for voting edoc and yet that vote wasn;t on there either?

[LSU Tiger Josh]

Internet is fixed. Will reread and post thoughts later today

[LSU Tiger Josh]

I just love when I clearly make a point of finding a way to let everyone know why I'm not here and get not just one, but two knuckleheads that want to vote me. TY PCM for pointing out to them why I wasn't posting. On a side note, moving out of town or lack of internet notes out of the main forum seems to be a bit UNHELPFUL for those that are playing the game. Back in the day, we would post it one time in the mafia lounge so EVERY game could easily see it for a couple of days instead of having it "hid" in a subforum that most don't look. I'm NOT a fan of that being moved.

Vote Jak

You seem way too happy to just happily jump on a lynch that had at the very least shitty information on it using old cc games from over 4 months ago when I was working 18 hour shifts. For now, I think you're the most guilty one on my initial reread although I am not 100% sold on keeping that vote on you for today.

FOS Edoc
Why even look up old CC games and not take into account the dates on them. Sure looking up old games can be a way to see if someone is around, but unless you actually look into games, that person could have also arranged a sub to play for them and you wouldn't even know it unless you went into each CC game itself. Looking up last posts is definitely a better way to check for someone's activity.

Be back later today or early tomorrow since wife needs me to go do some stuff now.

[new guy1]

Jak, I didnt avoid /, I just used alot of sarcasm and appathy while voicing my opinion on his/your cases. Right now, I dont think either of you are scummy as you are just trying to move D1 along and make cases with the best things you have. This is why I havent hopped onto your BW and without further evidence most likely will not. I am quite tired right now and so am going to take a nap and possibly try to post something more later tonight, but I wouldnt count on it too much, if that doesnt sound bad :/.

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[jak111]

I just love when I clearly make a point of finding a way to let everyone know why I'm not here and get not just one, but two knuckleheads that want to vote me. TY PCM for pointing out to them why I wasn't posting. On a side note, moving out of town or lack of internet notes out of the main forum seems to be a bit UNHELPFUL for those that are playing the game. Back in the day, we would post it one time in the mafia lounge so EVERY game could easily see it for a couple of days instead of having it "hid" in a subforum that most don't look. I'm NOT a fan of that being moved.

Vote Jak

You seem way too happy to just happily jump on a lynch that had at the very least shitty information on it using old cc games from over 4 months ago when I was working 18 hour shifts. For now, I think you're the most guilty one on my initial reread although I am not 100% sold on keeping that vote on you for today.

FOS Edoc
Why even look up old CC games and not take into account the dates on them. Sure looking up old games can be a way to see if someone is around, but unless you actually look into games, that person could have also arranged a sub to play for them and you wouldn't even know it unless you went into each CC game itself. Looking up last posts is definitely a better way to check for someone's activity.

Be back later today or early tomorrow since wife needs me to go do some stuff now.

Aye, I didn't read the time of it, that was my stupidity. Although I think I saw you post in the vacation thread a few days before, but I forget about vacation thread easily in sub forums. I think they should make it a sticky in the main forum so everyone can see it easier.

As for New Guy, I'll let it slide this time, although I think your sarcasm was lost somewhere in your post if that's really what you're defending with. Unvote, make sure people know it's sarcasm at the time you post it though, depending on people's moods at the time they may not see it as such.

[new guy1]

Sorry for that jak, aI tried to make it rather obvious but I will definatly make sure from now on that it is known when I am speaking with sarcasm. As for the unvote, I appreciate it and hope its a sign that my defense was enough to deter your case.

[pancakemix]

There isn't much to address from you PCM, besides some things you decide to try and pick apart on. Now you say my case on Cowboyz was legit? Really? I think you're just trying to do strawman logic.
Me: "I vote Cowboyz for being inactive himself and making a deal about inactives"
PCM Strawman: "I vote Jak for voting Cowboyz, herp derp"
Me: "I vote New Guy to help with the case and help out OTHERS"
PCM Strawman: "But your case on Cowboyz was legit, now you're running scared, herp derp"

If you're trying to provoke me, it's not gonna work. I've gone over why your case didn't make sense then, I won't do it an umpteenth time. And for all your ranting about inactives, it just seems hypocritical to take your vote off of one. Just sayin'.

Yes, I'm totally shaking in my shoes PCM. I'm sort of wondering how many of the people are voting me for the wagon, for the 'cases' you bring up on me, or just to vote, and I wonder how many people don't vote me for other cases, they believe what I say, or are inactive. The ones following your case, can they tell me what makes sense of your posts? Besides going to a band wagon you have no real logic. I vote for Cowboyz, you're after me, I unvote Cowboyz, you're after me. So do you want me to do a paradox vote? You must be really out to get me if I'm not allowed to be on either side of the fence that you put up for no apparent reason.

*Voting for Cowboyz*
~Fence~
*Not voting for Cowboyz*

It's not the fact that you changed votes, it's the principle of the thing. Pressure is mounting and you decide to switch your vote to the next most popular case? That's just reeks of diverting attention. For all your talk of my blindness you really can't see the forest for the trees.

And I won't speak for the others voting you. Ask them yourself why you have their votes.

All I'm going to say to you PCM, is MAKE UP YOUR MIND of which side of the fence you like, because right now your logic is in the BW that you were accusing me of when I gave my reasons for voting Cowboyz. Thus, further strengthening my suspicion of something going on with you.

You say I have acted scummy? Where have I acted any differently than you're acting against me? Besides starting the day off with a small case I haven't done anything terribly bad if anyone cares to go check. You jumped right on me the second I decide to get the game into something serious which is funny because usually you'd think someone would be thankful for getting out of the BS part of D1. But nope, not you.

If you want me to go at you directly PCM, I could but I don't want to spam more paragraphs to deaf ears. You've been dead set on me ever since I really got the day started for us, but HEY, that's a total scum move, right?

Mmm, you accuse me of a strawman, but really, that's all on you. Stop fixating on Cowboyz and maybe I'd have the stomach to debate with you. As of right now, nothing you are posting is worth anyone's time.

And stop it with the "I just wanted the game to start" bullshit. I've been over my opinions on Day 1. If you only want to cherry pick from my posts, I can't help you. And if you want to play the martyr, that's your problem.

It's also completely counterintuitive, if you think about it. All attacking you for "starting the game" would do is start the game. (And you certainly got what you wanted, didn't you?)

As for the New Guy case, because you know, I want to contribute to town instead of acting childish with continuing a pointless fight (which you do seem like a 5 year old right now PCM, "BUT HE SAID I'M UGLY MOMMY!") So far I've given my reasons for moving on from PCM, not Cowboyz, Herp Derp, to New Guy. The only thing I can say to Edoc since that's the only person so far who has really commented anything on New Guy since my last post, is that I'm going to New Guy BECAUSE he seems scummy to me and others think so as well. He'd not be scummy if he wasn't complaining about the case on him and avoiding /. Yes, I'm well aware I'm avoiding PCM, but that's because he's like a child who just lost his favorite pacifier, whining about this and that about me, while doing it himself. If he's going to call me out on something he might as well take his time to not do it himself.

Insults help your case. Really, they do. I promise. I'm not the one who just wants to yell about one particular thing from someone else's post. I address everything you write (but I won't say it twice). You pick and choose and rant for three paragraphs about how I pick and choose and rant for three paragraphs. Consider looking in the mirror.

If you consider your note on new guy contributing, you have a very broad definition of what contributing is.

And believe me, I would love to just shut up and end all of this. I really would. But when you come back with a post of equal size, you make it really hard for me not to write my head off. I've been trying to keep my head these last couple of posts, but insults are one thing I will NOT tolerate. If you continue to try and provoke me, you can have fun throwing rocks from your high horse. I won't throw them back up to you.

[pancakemix]

One other thing: I'd like to illustrate the overreaction Jak made in his last post to me.

What I wrote:

At this point, I can tell you're just running scared. Your vote on cowboyz "being inactive" is more legitimate than ever, and now you decide to turn away?

What Jak wrote in response:

There isn't much to address from you PCM, besides some things you decide to try and pick apart on. Now you say my case on Cowboyz was legit? Really? I think you're just trying to do strawman logic.
Me: "I vote Cowboyz for being inactive himself and making a deal about inactives"
PCM Strawman: "I vote Jak for voting Cowboyz, herp derp"
Me: "I vote New Guy to help with the case and help out OTHERS"
PCM Strawman: "But your case on Cowboyz was legit, now you're running scared, herp derp"

Yes, I'm totally shaking in my shoes PCM. I'm sort of wondering how many of the people are voting me for the wagon, for the 'cases' you bring up on me, or just to vote, and I wonder how many people don't vote me for other cases, they believe what I say, or are inactive. The ones following your case, can they tell me what makes sense of your posts? Besides going to a band wagon you have no real logic. I vote for Cowboyz, you're after me, I unvote Cowboyz, you're after me. So do you want me to do a paradox vote? You must be really out to get me if I'm not allowed to be on either side of the fence that you put up for no apparent reason.

*Voting for Cowboyz*
~Fence~
*Not voting for Cowboyz*

All I'm going to say to you PCM, is MAKE UP YOUR MIND of which side of the fence you like, because right now your logic is in the BW that you were accusing me of when I gave my reasons for voting Cowboyz. Thus, further strengthening my suspicion of something going on with you.

[jak111]

Looks like someone can't take his own medicine, I love how you call it insults when LITERALLY it's the same thing you used on me a few pages back, shall I go back and get them? PCM, this is me going outside of game here for a second, you're a bit of a hypocrite when you call something an insult when you said pretty much the EXACT same thing pages back. I could go on how that really isn't cool of a personal attack but you'd just bs around it some more. You still never answered my main question neither, instead you decide to belittle my posts and make accusations on me as a person, not even a player. No offense bud, but if you're going to call it an insult on you when you said it back there, I'm dropping this game. If a game can't be played with fun and non personal attacks around you, I really don't want to play with you. I'm this close |--| to just telling you to go f*ck yourself bud, I'm not meaning to be rude when I say this but I am getting tired of the way you decide to go after someone. They give you a fair chance, they reply to your posts, and then you basically tell them they aren't good enough to be in your almighty presence. Really, that's why I referred you to straw man, because you're starting to get on my nerves, not in game, but personally. Seriously though, I'm genuinely sorry if I offended you, but you push people too far sometimes. I'm admittedly one with a short fuse most days, so it doesn't take me much to just go BOOM!

Now then, back to the game talk, hopefully no more offensive posts from either side. I changed my vote because obviously it isn't going somewhere. If I go for inactives I need help going for inactives, which you seem inclined to help with and so does everyone else, so why would I bother with continuing it alone? That just seems stupid. Plus it was to lend help to a case I found valid and now New Guy has cleared up, which should be something you could do as well, however I am doubting you're willing to give up. If you really want a claim. Push me with 2 more votes, not with words. (I think I'm at L-4 atm).

The Jonty case seems to have merit, although nothing strong enough for my liking. It seems to me he just missed it genuinely, although I guess we'll see if he slips up more or what others think as well.

Nothing else to comment on for now, although we'll see where the day goes.

[/]

Jak, you say the people may vote you just to vote, I believe it is a legitimate move, and from what I've seen of you, you do too, we need data.
I disagree with your assessment that newguy avoided me, he matched me word for word in each of my questions on him, and that is why I find him suspect, because he is clearly willing to go so far to defend himself above all else, a trait shared with you. This case can no longer end without a claim because it keeps going too far, you go far beyond the calls of reason to defend your point, you are trying to be a Nord that can blow open gates with their voice, never admitting to a mistake no matter how clear, I still don't see how cowboys post could logically be considered calling out dazza for inactivity.

Frankly it's unproductive spending every post trying to discredit PCM unless you are actually trying to gain new data or get him lynched, and it doesn't really help when you say thing like "I want to contribute to town instead of acting childish with continuing a pointless fight " while insulting pancake in the same paragraph, it makes it clear where your mind is at, you say you will skim his posts, that you are done, but If you were capable of dropping this and moving on to something else, you would spend more than one post talking to someone other than PCM, and you would have something better than inactives. With this I will once again unvote vote jak

unofficial VC

(NONE) (5) - new guy, jak111, ghostly, IB, crazy
new guy (1) - dazza
jak111 (7) - Clever, edocsil, pancake, jonty, LSU TIger Josh, /, cowboys
edocsil (1) - Leehar
LSU TIger Josh (1) - kager
/ (1) - XenHu
kager (2) - nagerous, soundman

With 18 alive it takes 10 to lynch

Need to hear from crazymilkshake5, Iron Butterfly, and ghostly447. These three vanished on the 11th, 11th, and 10th respectively despite all being on as recently as today, and actively posting elsewhere, with a known mass prod and deadline out, this to me is quite lynch worthy if jak doesn't pan out.

[jak111]

Frankly it's unproductive spending every post trying to discredit PCM unless you are actually trying to gain new data or get him lynched, and it doesn't really help when you say thing like "I want to contribute to town instead of acting childish with continuing a pointless fight " while insulting pancake in the same paragraph, it makes it clear where your mind is at, you say you will skim his posts, that you are done, but If you were capable of dropping this and moving on to something else, you would spend more than one post talking to someone other than PCM, and you would have something better than inactives. With this I will once again unvote vote jak

So your main point is me trying to STOP an unproductive thing and trying to move onto something else then you call me out on not doing so.

To make it more clear in case the above sentence does not make sense, you first say I'm trying to get PCM lynched, where have I stated that? Yes I had my vote on PCM for a while but for valid reasoning. THEN you quote me trying to stop the nonsense but hey, don't read the actual meaning behind that, only the insult is worthy of attention. But I am done /, trying to say anything in my defense it like speaking to a brick wall, and I mean that literally, not calling anyone stupid, but I'm saying that whatever I say is just going to be ignored. UNLESS IT'S OFFENSIVE OR SAYING WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO TO STOP AN ARGUMENT, but no, the rest no one wants to hear. It's me defending myself against someone who won't listen, followed by others who are listening but not to the full situation.

For tonight, I'm done posting till PCM posts and agrees we both leave personal insults far out of this, until then I'd advise at least ONE person re-reading so they aren't just taking from one view here. I don't care who, and I don't care what side they pick, but if they have the decency to re-read the entire thing and form their own opinion without using "what she said" "what he said" and pointing out to me where I'm wrong at, it'd be nice.

As for the Cowboyz outting Dazza, I believe I admitted it may have been a misread somewhere back there, however it's the 'principle' of the idea that he brought up the case, and mainly I already said that case wasn't anything strong, it was to start the day, nothing more really. THAT I know I said back there somewhere. If a case is formed on the first guy who bothers trying to get serious that's like telling me I should never be serious D1, and should just keep derailing the game. (remember, I'm new, only a few games into it so I'm still learning, these 'habits' I will learn too much of, whether I choose to follow them or not I will see, but inactivity definitely is a habit I dislike in players, that I was concrete about in my 3rd game I believe).

[crazymilkshake5]

mk, I agree mostly with jak, but he does seem like our best choice for a lynch atm. but im not voting him.
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@jak, I did not say you are trying to get Pancake lynched, I said it is not helpful to spend this much time and effort on someone you don't want lynched.

[new guy1]

mk, I agree mostly with jak, but he does seem like our best choice for a lynch atm. but im not voting him.
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You see, I have a problem with this. You say hes the best choice for a lynch but you dont vote him? Why are you refraining if you believe him to be the best candidate? And I am NOT egging you on, Im just wondering why you are so undecisive if you believe him to be the scummiest person. I do not have a candidate and that is why I refrain from casting an uneducated vote. You however believe him the best candidate and list no reason why you are not going to vote him? Explain please.

fastposted- also just thought, I do not want to derail the case on Jak if it is that far along, but I just find a problem in this.

[pancakemix]

I did what now?

You're gonna have to point that out to me. Typically, I'm pretty careful with my words so as NOT to insult.

Quote the text AND link to the post, please. I'll explain it and apologize if I can.

To be fair, without our clash there would be nothing in this game at all. That's something to put in your hat, I guess.

[jak111]

@jak, I did not say you are trying to get Pancake lynched, I said it is not helpful to spend this much time and effort on someone you don't want lynched.

Like I said, I'm trying to stop the argument and move onto something else, but everytime he mentions my name I know I have to answer him back because he'll do like he is doing now, tell everyone I'm 'hiding' from him or have my tail between my legs, when I'm not, I just think everything is said that needs to be said, and I'm tired of replying the same things over and over again.

What do you want me to do /? Just ignore him "But you can't do that, skimming is BAD, saying you skim when you really mean you're just going to try and ignore him is SCUMMY" Believe me, I'm trying to ignore him, I've stated what I'd try to do, but when everyone is focusing on the case on me obviously I can't turn a blind eye, now can I?

Sorry for going on rants, but I'm tired of people telling me what not to do when they give me no other options, or they call me out on it when I try to do it. Like really, I'm in a damned if I do and damned if I don't simply because I started the day.

If I ignore PCM, "You're skimming, you're scared" etc comes up. If I don't ignore PCM "If you really wanted to not lynch him you'd not spend time on it" Like really guys, one or the other. This part of mafia I won't get, because everyone seems to love telling you what to do yet complaining when you do it. At least when I tell someone something or call someone out on something I pick my mind on one thing that they can do to be in the clear, not corner them by saying "You can't do this, but you can't do that either".

Like I said, obviously I don't know how to play, because there must be some valuable key piece of information I'm missing or some secret to the universe that's out of place because under these circumstances it might as well be "Don't bother speaking because whatever you say we're going to say is wrong anyhow, so screw you, have a nice day" sort of thing. Right now that's where I feel I'm at,

Fastposted x2.
Well I might as well claim before we get to where scum can speed hammer, (I just know they're aching for me gone today) But I also would like to offer a suggestion Every town player target me tonight, except busdriver (if there is one) or doc, I do not need either of you. I propose that the watcher be ready because he will have to make the decision. If there's a mafia kill tonight and it's not on me, then you know it's between anyone who didn't target me. If there isn't a mafia kill tonight, look at those whom have targeted me and pick from them.

I am Helgi, an innocent child/bodyguard role. From my experience in Skyrim I believe I remember her from the quest where you must help her, because her house burned down and there's a vampress looking for her.
I might have to ask the mod about this, because I've never seen the innocent child role before, especially for it to be mixed with this, but the mafia wiki says I target someone to 'witness' and I die if they die. So I'm guessing the innocent child MIXED with the bodyguard makes me more of a matyr role, as in where instead of them dying I take their place.
If anyone can help clarify this to me it'd be of great help because I've been confused since the start of the day.

As for PCM, I'll go back and get all that tomorrow, it's 11:39pm here, time for some zzz's before school tomorrow, but I'll post it after school.

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This is this so called innocent child role (which I've never seen either)
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... cent_Child
its only function is "confirmed townie", in other words, if you are this role, everywhere would have said so at the start of the game, OR, in second variation, it has the activated power of confirmed townie, if it is the second variation, I suggest you tell the mod to activate it asap, otherwise I definitely don't buy it.
this is Helgi
http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Helgi
already dead at the start of the game it seems...

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Ok, since you need help, this is it to be absolutely concise, with no room for error

Innocent child= confirmed townie, either from the start of the game, or you tell the mod you want him to confirm you are townie to everyone.

Bodyguard= you protect someone, if they are killed you die in their place

Hider= you hide behind someone, if scum kills you, you don't die, if someone kills them, you both die, (some variations kill you if you hide behind scum)