Skyrim Mafia Endgame: Hail Sithis! (3/18) Skyrim Wins!

[crazymilkshake5]

mk, I agree mostly with jak, but he does seem like our best choice for a lynch atm. but im not voting him.
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You see, I have a problem with this. You say hes the best choice for a lynch but you dont vote him? Why are you refraining if you believe him to be the best candidate? And I am NOT egging you on, Im just wondering why you are so undecisive if you believe him to be the scummiest person. I do not have a candidate and that is why I refrain from casting an uneducated vote. You however believe him the best candidate and list no reason why you are not going to vote him? Explain please.

fastposted- also just thought, I do not want to derail the case on Jak if it is that far along, but I just find a problem in this.

I'm just willing to let things pan out, thats all, if it will appease you i will vote for him.

[everywhere116]

Vote count incoming. Like...seriously, guys, I've never seen a vote count come so fast before....It's surreal...

[everywhere116]

Vote Count 5

jak: 7 (cowboyz, pancake, jonty, edocsil, clever, LSU, /) (L-3)
new guy: 1 (dazza)
kager: 2 (nagerous, sound)
/ : 1 (Xenhu)
edocsil: 2 (Leehar, kager)
Not Voting: 5 (IB, ghost, CMS, new guy, jak)


With 18 alive it takes 10 to lynch. Deadline midnight May 16th going on 17th.

[kageryuu]

unofficial VC

(NONE) (5) - IB, crazy, ghostly, new guy, jak111
new guy (1) - dazza
jak111 (7) L3- cowboyz, pancake, jonty, edocsil, clever, LSU Tiger Josh, /
edocsil (2) - Leehar, kager
/ (1) - XenHu
kager (2) - nagerous, soundman

With 18 alive it takes 10 to lynch

Need to hear from crazymilkshake5, Iron Butterfly, and ghostly447. These three vanished on the 11th, 11th, and 10th respectively despite all being on as recently as today, and actively posting elsewhere, with a known mass prod and deadline out, this to me is quite lynch worthy if jak doesn't pan out.

fixed

Kage: Pointed out as inactive, then pops back in and follows the newest wagon. Not exactly stellar.

edocsil (2) - Leehar, kager
I don't see how the 2nd vote on a person in a game that takes 10 to lynch is a BW, but then again this is my first mafia game

Three days left till deadline. I'm not willing to go into the night without any info but I don't think Jak or New Guy are scum. After Kager's last post I really think we should pressure him. He's the best in my mind right now.

please quote the part of my last post you find incriminating, was it pointing out a mistake or possible doublevote? or was to owning up to not being as active a poster as some?, or was it agreeing with leehar by voting Edoc for the faulty evidence edoc provided for his vote on LSU?

[kageryuu]

ebwop
started my post then got sidetracked so i didn't notice the new posts after pcm's last post before i posted so ignore the corrected unofficial vote count (since the official vc is out) facepalm

also claiming a character that is dead and a ghost seems suspicious, so FOS on Jak

[edocsil]

Seems fishy, especially due to the fact that the vampires may or may not even be in the game. Cult (vamp) and scum (Thalmor) would be a tough setup for the town. That with role waffling, well that looks bad. Jak, if you are an Inno someone should have been told. And I have never heard of an innocent bodyguard.

[ghostly447]

Hey guys, I am read up. I am not quite sure I believe Jak's claim with the fact that this game could hold so many dangers to town its unbeleivable. I am expecting a Power Role heavy town along with 2-3 other factions working against the town. Possibly a cult, a Mafia, and another third party.

With that said, I believe that if he has the mod confirm he is innocent, then we should start looking for another worthy candidate for today and lynch him if there is no confirmation.

[jonty125]

I don't believe jak's claim. I mean seriously, who can we lynch a ghost?

[soundman]

I don't know if his last post was anything to pressure over. If I remember correctly, his last post was:

Vote Count 5

Clever: 2 (new guy)
jak: 4 (cowboyz, pancake, jonty, /)
new guy: 1 (dazza)
kager: 1 (nagerous)
cowboyz: 1 (jak)
jonty: 1 (clever)
/ : 1 (Xenhu)
LSU Tiger Josh: 1 (edocsil)
Not Voting: 7 (Leehar, IB, LSU, sound, CMS, kager, ghost)


With 18 alive it takes 10 to lynch. Deadline midnight May 15th going on 16th, barring an extension.

I count 19 votes here, if its not a mistake, then we have a double voter

Vote Kager. He's posted nothing but fluff and has been missing for a while.

It is true I have not posted in 4 days but I have been keeping up with the thread

o.O
Pretty badly caught out there Edoc
Vote edoc for trying to lynch someone using bad evidence

I will agree with this, game logs from 4 months back is not good evidence imo Vote Edoc

IMO, he's only doing to Edoc what I just spent the last paragraph talking about. Edoc slipped and he's pressuring him. By your logic soundman, should we also be pressuring Leehar? This isn't meant antagonistically, I'm curious as to what about Kager seems scummy to you.

-X

He's still not really contributing anything to the game. He points out a mistake in the VC and suggests double voter, while IMO it's pretty obviously a mistake and not a double voter.

The next part really gets me. "I know I haven't posted in four days but I've kept reading." (It was actually five days btw. The 8th was the last post.) This just screams willful submarining. Even if it's nothing great you should post something instead of being quiet for five days.

Finally the third part. Edoc put up a, IMO, good reason for what he had posted. It's true that those who aren't getting on every day to take their turns are probably not going to be very active in Mafia. I think he could have stated that in his first post and he could also have checked for LSU's last post. But I don't see it as lynch worthy at this point. Anyways, Leehar's next post after Edoc explained himself is way later (pg 26, one liner). So I see the matter being pretty much dropped after Edoc's post. Then Kager goes and votes him without seemingly even reading Edoc's explanation. He quote's Leehar's post but doesn't even bother to comment on Edoc's explanation.

That is why I'm still on him. It's not the strongest but it is Day One. What do you mean by my logic we should be pressuring Leehar? My brain is not making any connection...

[jak111]

Then push for a lynch on me guys, I did read my pm wrong though, Not innocent child, I'm little girl role, (Mixed with bodyguard). If you don't believe me have a tracker track me tonight or just lynch me.

"Omniscient roles
—"Witness", "Child", "Little Girl", etc.
Instead of having to investigate, some innocent roles give complete information on the entire mafia: The "witness" is told who the mafia are during the first night, while the mafia are not told the witness's identity (differing from the "stool pigeon" in not being a part of the mafia).
The "Little Girl" in Werewolf and Werewolves of Miller's Hollow is allowed to secretly peek and watch as the werewolves choose their victim; if discovered doing so by the Werewolves, she dies of fright.[29]"
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mafia_(party_game)#Optional_roles)

So there's what I found, sorry for the mix up in name of role. But this is what I was looking at when I looked it up. Don't know why I said innocent child, probably because little girl and innocent child were adding in my head properly at the time. If I'm a bad person for mixing that up, sorry, but that's what happened. But as you can see, from this section I quoted on the page, my little girl part of the role makes me dead if I target who the baddies target (Unless I read that wrong, some clarification from someone who has seen this role before would be nice).

To me, my role makes sense. I've played the game and when I helped out Helgi, she's an innocent little girl who had her house burn down and her and her family died in the fire. A vampress is searching for her coffin to do whatever to her body and you have to go kill the vampress to save the little girl's ghost.

Though now that you bring it up, I'm a bit worried about my alignment. It says I'm town (blue) but, what if someone is the vampress out there? Am I turned if she catches me?

Anyway, to go back to PCM, here's the list I've found.
(Links: In order of quotes to follow:)
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=213&t=169197&start=195#p3721395
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=213&t=169197&start=210#p3721787
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=213&t=169197&start=225#p3722073
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=213&t=169197&start=225#p3722459

1,) First time you bring up strawman.
2.) Second time you bring up strawman.
3.) Now you attack my intelligence, assuming how I'll post, like in a cry baby sort of way.
4.) This one you basically say you don't want me to post no more in #1 of your list of three things because you dislike my thought process, so you belittle it by putting what I say in the trash.

I know there was another one that was belittling anything I said but I can't find it at the moment. Those 4 should be sufficient for what I mean that I'm not the only one throwing insults. However, as long as we both stop I don't care about the past.

[edocsil]

Then push for a lynch on me guys, I did read my pm wrong though, Not innocent child, I'm little girl role, (Mixed with bodyguard). If you don't believe me have a tracker track me tonight or just lynch me.

"Omniscient roles
—"Witness", "Child", "Little Girl", etc.
Instead of having to investigate, some innocent roles give complete information on the entire mafia: The "witness" is told who the mafia are during the first night, while the mafia are not told the witness's identity (differing from the "stool pigeon" in not being a part of the mafia).
The "Little Girl" in Werewolf and Werewolves of Miller's Hollow is allowed to secretly peek and watch as the werewolves choose their victim; if discovered doing so by the Werewolves, she dies of fright.[29]"
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mafia_(party_game)#Optional_roles)

So there's what I found, sorry for the mix up in name of role. But this is what I was looking at when I looked it up. Don't know why I said innocent child, probably because little girl and innocent child were adding in my head properly at the time. If I'm a bad person for mixing that up, sorry, but that's what happened. But as you can see, from this section I quoted on the page, my little girl part of the role makes me dead if I target who the baddies target (Unless I read that wrong, some clarification from someone who has seen this role before would be nice).

To me, my role makes sense. I've played the game and when I helped out Helgi, she's an innocent little girl who had her house burn down and her and her family died in the fire. A vampress is searching for her coffin to do whatever to her body and you have to go kill the vampress to save the little girl's ghost.

Though now that you bring it up, I'm a bit worried about my alignment. It says I'm town (blue) but, what if someone is the vampress out there? Am I turned if she catches me?

Anyway, to go back to PCM, here's the list I've found.
(Links: In order of quotes to follow:)
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=213&t=169197&start=195#p3721395
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=213&t=169197&start=210#p3721787
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=213&t=169197&start=225#p3722073
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=213&t=169197&start=225#p3722459

1,) First time you bring up strawman.
2.) Second time you bring up strawman.
3.) Now you attack my intelligence, assuming how I'll post, like in a cry baby sort of way.
4.) This one you basically say you don't want me to post no more in #1 of your list of three things because you dislike my thought process, so you belittle it by putting what I say in the trash.

I know there was another one that was belittling anything I said but I can't find it at the moment. Those 4 should be sufficient for what I mean that I'm not the only one throwing insults. However, as long as we both stop I don't care about the past.

Your quotes by no means show PCM as throwing insults lol. You botched a role claim, and still can't tell us what your abilities are. Plus indication that you might be a desired recruitment target, and it all translates to short life expectancy for you.

[Iron Butterfly]

I believe Jak.

I have been quiet for a variety of reasons not all game related. I could have posted if I wished but choose to watch and listen. i could not imagine the horror of trying to follow 18 players at once all arguing against each other. Its hard enough figuring out and following four people.

My take on PCM and Jak is they are innocent/town. I think the main problem with jak is he needs to get in the last word and doesnt know when to rest his case.

For all of Jaks blather the one thing that stands out for me is this. Of all the things to claim why would he make such a non standard one? He could have claimed anything and yet he claimes Innocent Girl/ body Guard? Something that could easily be researched and called out on?

As far as his mistake. I have done what he has done. I followed the link he supplied and saw how it would be easy to write something different.

I need clarity from Jak. Am I to understand that you will have knowledge of who mafia is the first night? Are you just a body guard? In as short and concise a way as possible explain how your role works?

[XenHu]

Watching with much interest. Thoughts on this will come later tonight.


-X

[pancakemix]

1-2: Strawman is a logical fallacy, not an insult. I never said it WAS an insult either.
3: How is predicting how you'll post an attack on your intelligence? That was a pretty facetious post there, I'll admit, but I don't understand how you got from A to B there.
4: That was more of a sigh of exhaustion than an insult, but I see how you could take that that way. If you were offended, I apologize. Nothing was meant by it.

I do realize that sometimes it can be hard to understand the inflection of a post by just reading it. Sometimes I think we should use elcor prefixes when we write on the internet. But the truth of the matter is that your best argument for me throwing insults are, at best, misread by you. But I'm not going to complain about skimming or any such thing. Someone else can do that if they want. Not me. Not right now.

I'll admit, I can get abrasive when I argue. More often than not, I'll help myself to a sarcastic comment (or paragraph, depending on how much I get egged on). But as I said, insulting someone is a line I will not cross. You crossed that line with your crybaby comments, but I'm willing to set that aside. There's no need for any ill will between us.

You're all right, Jak. You've got fight in you. I like that. And we definitely need people who are willing to fight inactivity around here. It'd be a shame to have such a trifle cause us to be enemies. There's no need for that.

I'll be happy to address your claim after I've got a clear confirmation from you that we can be on good terms.

[/]

I believe Jak.

I have been quiet for a variety of reasons not all game related. I could have posted if I wished but choose to watch and listen. i could not imagine the horror of trying to follow 18 players at once all arguing against each other. Its hard enough figuring out and following four people.

My take on PCM and Jak is they are innocent/town. I think the main problem with jak is he needs to get in the last word and doesnt know when to rest his case.

For all of Jaks blather the one thing that stands out for me is this. Of all the things to claim why would he make such a non standard one? He could have claimed anything and yet he claimes Innocent Girl/ body Guard? Something that could easily be researched and called out on?

As far as his mistake. I have done what he has done. I followed the link he supplied and saw how it would be easy to write something different.

I need clarity from Jak. Am I to understand that you will have knowledge of who mafia is the first night? Are you just a body guard? In as short and concise a way as possible explain how your role works?

From a neutral standpoint, fake claiming an obscure role is the way to go, there is an almost nil chance it will be counterclaimed if no one uses it, but there is enough of a backing to say it's not impossible, and in general the more complex (and harder to disprove) a role is, the more likely the accused is to slip by.

[Some7hingCLEVER]

i have to read from page 26 watching a season finalle need time to vote. i will post by tommorow morning at the latest

[jak111]

Yea, we're on good grounds PCM. I know I go over board way too much, but what can I say? I'm aggressive when it comes down to it. If someone picked a fist fight with me at school they'd end up either the winner, or in the hospital.

As for IB's question, I'm not sure, I guess I will find out tonight. Either way, I don't think I can voice it or there will be restrictions to it. But I'll question Everywhere until I find how I can word it tomorrow

For those having doubt, get the tracker on me, if he speaks up tomorrow obviously I'm scum, if he does not then either he got no results or I'm clean. Simple to prove, is it not? But for saying what my role does, I'll try to simplify what I know of it so far. Obviously being a body guard I target someone nightly to protect, but I'm not sure if I die or not if the baddies target them as well. Like I know there's a way I die, but I'm not sure exactly what the steps are to me dying, does that make sense?

I can see / view on this, but I didn't even know this role existed until it was given to me. I'm really new to forum mafia (only a couple games in) but here are the roles I know about
~Watcher
~Tracker
~Doctor
~Cop
~Roleblocker
~Busdriver
~Bodyguard
~Seer (In Werewolves)
~Matyr
~Traitor (In Werewolves)
~VT
~Sorcerer (In Werewolves)
~Werewolf (In Werewolves)
~Spy (In Werewolves)
~Survivor
~Bulletproof
~Mason
~Vig
~SK

And a few others, but these side roles I'm not really knowledgeable about. If anyone else seen the Little Girl role before (Forget the bodyguard part for now because we know what that is) and has information on it, bring it forth, especially how I'm supposed to die, because that part is still messed in my head and I can't say more about it besides what mafiascum says because anything more and I'd have to quote the pm a little. Which, I'd rather not do, because modkilled sucks.

But now I come to a question so everyone can get thought on this with the approaching deadline, are you going to lynch me? Or pressure someone else? Or go into a no lynch scenario?

[/]

And a few others, but these side roles I'm not really knowledgeable about. If anyone else seen the Little Girl role before (Forget the bodyguard part for now because we know what that is) and has information on it, bring it forth, especially how I'm supposed to die, because that part is still messed in my head and I can't say more about it besides what mafiascum says because anything more and I'd have to quote the pm a little. Which, I'd rather not do, because modkilled sucks.

But now I come to a question so everyone can get thought on this with the approaching deadline, are you going to lynch me? Or pressure someone else? Or go into a no lynch scenario?

We should lynch you, because the role if it the one you linked to, it is literally impossible to play outside of a live mafia game.
You see, when you play mafia in real life, the players all cover their eyes to signify "night", while this is happening the werewolves point to a player to "kill", the little girl is allowed to peek, but if the werewolves catch the player peeking they "die of fright". unless we are all going to everywhere's house tonight, that ain't happening.

[Iron Butterfly]

I believe Jak.

I have been quiet for a variety of reasons not all game related. I could have posted if I wished but choose to watch and listen. i could not imagine the horror of trying to follow 18 players at once all arguing against each other. Its hard enough figuring out and following four people.

My take on PCM and Jak is they are innocent/town. I think the main problem with jak is he needs to get in the last word and doesnt know when to rest his case.

For all of Jaks blather the one thing that stands out for me is this. Of all the things to claim why would he make such a non standard one? He could have claimed anything and yet he claimes Innocent Girl/ body Guard? Something that could easily be researched and called out on?

As far as his mistake. I have done what he has done. I followed the link he supplied and saw how it would be easy to write something different.

I need clarity from Jak. Am I to understand that you will have knowledge of who mafia is the first night? Are you just a body guard? In as short and concise a way as possible explain how your role works?

From a neutral standpoint, fake claiming an obscure role is the way to go, there is an almost nil chance it will be counterclaimed if no one uses it, but there is enough of a backing to say it's not impossible, and in general the more complex (and harder to disprove) a role is, the more likely the accused is to slip by.

Perhaps I used the wrong wording. From my experience if I am unfamiliar with something or don't understand a role I google it. I'm sure most folks do as well. In this case he claimed what at first appears do be an "innocent" role.

If I were to research a role as a fake claim I certainly would not claim a role that requires the Mod to back up that claim. That is certain suicide. Jak is not a stupid person. *grin* whiny yes (joke). His initial claim sets him up to fail. He certainly did not pull the "innocent" out of thin air on a whim.

"Little girl" equates with "innocent" I can see how there could be a mix up when writing.

The only problem I have so far is what exactly he does. Is he "little girl" and a body guard or a Little Girl-Body Guard? Honestly a Little Girl who is a body guard would not make sense to me.

I do agree that it would be harder to be countered if the claim is non-standard.
I do not believe jak would claim "Innocent" without knowing exactly what it is. If he made a mistake I can see how it was done.

What we need NOW is Jak to explain exactly what he is and what he does. No whining. No fuss. No muss

[new guy1]

You didnt get the memo? Anyways, I see where you are coming from /, but maybe he sends in an action and if he goes to the same place as the wolves he will die of fright? Im not defending him, Im just giving a possible scenario.

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[jak111]

And a few others, but these side roles I'm not really knowledgeable about. If anyone else seen the Little Girl role before (Forget the bodyguard part for now because we know what that is) and has information on it, bring it forth, especially how I'm supposed to die, because that part is still messed in my head and I can't say more about it besides what mafiascum says because anything more and I'd have to quote the pm a little. Which, I'd rather not do, because modkilled sucks.

But now I come to a question so everyone can get thought on this with the approaching deadline, are you going to lynch me? Or pressure someone else? Or go into a no lynch scenario?

We should lynch you, because the role if it the one you linked to, it is literally impossible to play outside of a live mafia game.
You see, when you play mafia in real life, the players all cover their eyes to signify "night", while this is happening the werewolves point to a player to "kill", the little girl is allowed to peek, but if the werewolves catch the player peeking they "die of fright". unless we are all going to everywhere's house tonight, that ain't happening.

~Holds hand up~ I got my plane ticket to go there! But seriously, I don't know how it will work, guess we'll find out if I am given a chance though.

Fasposted by IB, yea I made a mistake when writing it, I do that a lot when things are rushing through my head, so give me a minute to try to be.. as.. clear.. as.. possible.

I do not know exactly all that happens. So far, I know I have a mix of two roles, one I know, the other I do not but would fit my character if you played skyrim.

For bodyguard part of my role, I protect someone each night, that I know of my role. The other part, the little girl, I do not know much, besides only being able to point at the link I gave as to not quote my pm I do not know ANYTHING about it. Besides what that link says, there isn't anymore I can say without knowing what I do exactly without quoting my pm word for word. Is that part clear enough?

Fasposted by New Guy, if that is it then it may be what I assumed earlier, that I'm more of a matyr type role (which that would be more explainable to me than little girl/bodyguard) as where I protect someone and if they get targeted it's like instead the baddies target me.

With that information, (if it is correct) then you can choose to waste of off during the day time or hope I can protect someone in the night time with my own life? (Hopefully I survive v.v, matyr would kind of suck).

[jak111]

Sorry for the double post here, but I just got a funny thought from / of what he knows of the role. Imagine if my role lets me pick a night where I can see all the baddies and if they don't make that guess I get to out them all. That'd suck on their part, but I doubt that's the case.. Then I'd be a super powerful role o.e. WHY DO YOU GOT TO BE TEASING ME WITH THESE POSSIBILITIES OF A ROLE!!!

[Iron Butterfly]

Sorry for the double post here, but I just got a funny thought from / of what he knows of the role. Imagine if my role lets me pick a night where I can see all the baddies and if they don't make that guess I get to out them all. That'd suck on their part, but I doubt that's the case.. Then I'd be a super powerful role o.e. WHY DO YOU GOT TO BE TEASING ME WITH THESE POSSIBILITIES OF A ROLE!!!

Jak no where in my PM does it say I cant explain what I do or para phrase.

you need to do better or I vote to lynch.

[pancakemix]

I'm glad we could settle all of that, Jak. I really don't want our in game debates to turn into out of game schisms.

As for your claim, I have some concerns:

1. As / pointed out, I see no way for this role to work in a forum setting. You admit that you're really not sure how it'll work either
2. Building on that last point, I think the mod would at least make a effort to explain these logistics. It seems strange that you'd get a role with no explanation of what it does, because probably 90% of the games I've played have explained what my role did, despite the fact that I already knew most of the time.
3. I feel like the flavor doesn't fit here. Helgi is a ghost. She's also fairly clueless. She also protects no one.
4. This sounds way too useful. You can tell who all the mafia are AND you're a bodyguard? Seems like someone has way too much utility.

That's all for tonight. I need sleep.

[everywhere116]

24 hours remaining until deadline. If a lynch has not been decided by majority vote, a no-lynch will be forced.