Matrix Mafia Endgame, Town and Survivors win!

[thehippo8]

Of course you defended yourself...any player in this game would...however, I don't have a better target right now.

Seriously? Come on Neb, you've been given a huge break. Don't make us think you all scummy again? That's not you looking down is it?

[everywhere116]

Of course you defended yourself...any player in this game would...however, I don't have a better target right now.

Wow. I smell a jester.

[vodean]

oh, and sorry for editing... im only adding more stuff and i figure its ok since im so far behind

You'll have to see what Saf says, but usually editing will result in a quick mod kill, so watch yourself, also editing past posts will make some of your information unintentionally skipped because someone may read it once and be done with it. Minor FOS for doing that, but the reason it's only minor is because you're new.

As to answer your question, we haven't been lynched yet, but that's because we're claimed masons. I don't know why we weren't picked off yet at night but perhaps mafia believe they can turn us into the bad guys.

But now since I am reading your edits while posting this, that minor FOS has just been upgraded to an FOS for Skimming, FOS'ing a dozen different people in the same post (Hopefully you know FOS is for a serious thinking they are mafia, by your FOS's pretty much you believe everyone to be scum). Doom did have a reason, because we are masoned, which has been mentioned, but you say "redirecting suspicion without reason" "they have admitted to being alligned together" I'm sorry if I come off rude here, but you can't say both and have both of them be correct, so what is your opinion? Pick one, not both

Also, another reason I'm leaving you at an actual FOS, is because I know your new but you should have noticed we're well out of the joke vote stage, so 'joke FOS's' aren't very tolerable neither.

Besides what I've mentioned, if it weren't for you being new, you would have received my vote, not because of who you believe are scummy, but why. Which I can't answer because you're unclear when you state two contradicting sentences in the same post.

Anyhow, welcome to the game, and if you care to catch up, right now there's pressure on CLEVER, so if you find anything interesting on him, bring it forth would ya?

Fastposted x2, alright vodean, Saf let the edit slide, just remember it isn't accepted in the mafia forums to do it. A triple post is better than an edit here.

70 pages takes a while... and gives many pieces of evidence. that was a compilation. then i picked what i thought were the most likely suspects, and followed up. Clever is bandwagoning the whole way through, but i would vote you before him. and doom, and hippo are all more likely than him, id say. maybe though. lets at least pressure them some more.
He jumps on the first BW he can find, but you actively push for the lynching of townies... you have done it successfully twice. You should have learned after the first couple claims that were consistent, and one of them was proven.

If i wasnt voting Doom, i would vote you. Scumbunny. And dont you dare say that im actually the mafia. Im not. Im Vt, nobody who had an interesting role would need a replacement. So yeah. Im VT, and you are scum. Im coming for you.

[vodean]

right now im thinking clever and hippo are scumbuddies, leehar is scummy, and doom and jak are scumbuddies. i dont believe hippo's claim. i definitely dont believe that jak and doom are masons... they would have been NKed... lets put a little pressure on some of them. you may be wondering why i gave an unprompted claim, and that is because now i am free to point fingers wherever, and you know that im not scum. If you dont believe me, lynch me, but then PLEASE lynch some of the above.

BTW, I am mouse, and i do nothing special at night (being that im VT)...

[vodean]

another reason why i dont believe doom and jak is cuz they didnt nameclaim. so why should we believe them. if they didnt do it cuz theyre morpheus or the oracle or something, then the doc will save them. The only reason, therefore, to hide their names is fear of a counter-claim.

[vodean]

Ok f*ck this, got to page 41 and I am falling asleep. Blame the football.

But anyway, as of page 41 the scum are:

Freezie, everywhere, jonty and skillful. Any questions?

yes! you fingered four people. two are now dead. of those two, one was NKed and the other, im not sure who was pushing for. FOS pmc, though i realistically think hes town.

I have to be grateful to the seven sins (s7c) for his erudite elaborations! Like wow! But yes, every word correct (and substantially better than I believe I could bung together myself!). And thanks to the rest of you.

I guess it comes down to lynching a VT who's making no effort (eldario) or quickly mustering something. I suspect the latter is not an option. Therefore that leaves us with no lynch or bye bye Eldario!?

lol your welcome im not gonna sit around and let someone i believe to be town to get hit while there are better options for the lynch.

fine, since nothing I say can change your mind anyway I'll guess I'll have to accept my fate,
but I am still sceptic towards hippos early claim, and his reasoning in doing so,
despite several people stating that they were going to go back to me, when the time comes he kept insisting that he claimed early so to not lose a lynch, while in fact there where no real danger that so would be the case, and that he probably could have gotten away with less.

i would LOVE to point out that i called this coming. i specifically said when pressure builds again he would speak up do nothing to help himself and look i was right. i dont like this kinda play. i have no hesitation in lynching him. he repeatedly trys to push the light onto someone else and this IMO is the best lynch we have today.

why would clever consistently back a scummy person, and vote to lynch the inactive, who became active. clever wasnt that active either, kinda hiding in the fringes but still there, like a scum.

[betiko]

again, regarding NKs; jak and doom could've been targeted night 1, we don't know how it ended up being freezie.
I really think it would be a dumb move to be scumbuddies and to defend your scumbuddy saying you are masoned. but in wifom could be an interesting tactic.. not sure on the long term though. doom/jak are really not high on my scumlist though.
I'm still on SG7. my case on him is weak, but there is something wrong about him.

[vodean]

I am currently leaning towards two groups of mafia, not connected, but with one kill and one other power... one group in the matrix (Clever, hippo, and maybe IB?) and one outside the matrix (doom and jak)... but for now, ill provide one more piece of evidence against clever and change my vote.

@betiko nothing has really changed since the last vote count. Are you to lazy to look back 1 page?

yes it did, but you are right i could ve recounted myself there hasn't been that many changes.

9-6 eldario, neb unvoted and voted freezie. this means that we need 4 votes to lynch.

@doom; this is my third (after night before christmas, and crazy's superheores), why anything very noobish in my last thoughts? don't you think we can't afford a no lynch?

well eldario is inactive. we dont have much to go off of till day 2. hmm im not sure. if were gonna just come back to him for being dead weight why not dispose of the "carcus" now. i mean think about it. why would we say "lets save this inactive who does didly squat" when we could say "lets get rid of him he has been contributing didly squat that way when we have another case we dont have to choose which one to lynch" (god..i feel like thats a terrible )

ok and i would like to point something out
the ENTIRE case on hippo is that he vote bounces. i had already pointed out he had reasons for most of them. and it got a few to unvote them but for some reason there are still 6 there so for those six i ask these questions

1.) why are you voting him?

2.) what do you think about his "vote bouncing"?

3.) why is his case better than lynching eldario?

always backing up hippo. why? surely, when hippo is only in moderate danger, he does not need someone else pushing for his defense, unless they have vested interest.
unvote vote clever

[vodean]

Of course you defended yourself...any player in this game would...however, I don't have a better target right now.

Seriously? Come on Neb, you've been given a huge break. Don't make us think you all scummy again? That's not you looking down is it?

and now hippo defends clever. WHY? always defending eachother, by attacking everyone who attacks them.

I definitely still think jak and doom deserve more pressure, but lets focus on these scumbags first

[vodean]

Scene

A man in a suit and sunglasses chases another man, who's wearing a white suit. Shots are fired, and soon the white suited man is stuck on a ledge. The man in the dark suit prepares to shoot, but the man in the white suit falls off the ledge. As the man in the dark suit looks over the edge, he notices that the man in the white seems to have fallen onto the hood of a car being driven by a woman. She speeds away as the man in the dark suit shakes his head and curses his luck.

Meanwhile, a different man in a dark suit and sunglasses follows another man into the subway system. The would be victim turns and sees the threat, and jumps onto the subway. The train curiously deposits another man on the platform. Indifferent, the man in the dark suit shoots this other man and walks away.

freezie, Morpheus, Town Watcher has been killed!

I hate this place. This zoo. This prison. This reality, whatever you want to call it, I can't stand it any longer. It's the smell, if there is such a thing. I feel saturated by it. I can taste your stink and every time I do, I fear that I've somehow been infected by it.

It is now Day 2! With 22 alive, it takes 12 to lynch.

from this, yes, it would seem i was right... two mafia factions, and the woman in the car is probably the oracle.

Im not sure what this other man is, and why the first one didnt get hit by the train...

[vodean]

again, regarding NKs; jak and doom could've been targeted night 1, we don't know how it ended up being freezie.
I really think it would be a dumb move to be scumbuddies and to defend your scumbuddy saying you are masoned. but in wifom could be an interesting tactic.. not sure on the long term though. doom/jak are really not high on my scumlist though.
I'm still on SG7. my case on him is weak, but there is something wrong about him.

since they claimed, has there been any pressure on them? did they have to give names? have they been NKed? no. none of the above. perhaps one or two could be explained, but lets at least get names out of them to force a little pressure. who knows? maybe they were lying. it does seem, however that on night one, one person was switched and one saved... idk.

[jak111]

Well, if Doom doesn't show up by tonight I'll make the decision myself, however, it requires the support of the bus driver or the doc.

[Some7hingCLEVER]

Ok f*ck this, got to page 41 and I am falling asleep. Blame the football.

But anyway, as of page 41 the scum are:

Freezie, everywhere, jonty and skillful. Any questions?

yes! you fingered four people. two are now dead. of those two, one was NKed and the other, im not sure who was pushing for. FOS pmc, though i realistically think hes town.

I have to be grateful to the seven sins (s7c) for his erudite elaborations! Like wow! But yes, every word correct (and substantially better than I believe I could bung together myself!). And thanks to the rest of you.

I guess it comes down to lynching a VT who's making no effort (eldario) or quickly mustering something. I suspect the latter is not an option. Therefore that leaves us with no lynch or bye bye Eldario!?

lol your welcome im not gonna sit around and let someone i believe to be town to get hit while there are better options for the lynch.

fine, since nothing I say can change your mind anyway I'll guess I'll have to accept my fate,
but I am still sceptic towards hippos early claim, and his reasoning in doing so,
despite several people stating that they were going to go back to me, when the time comes he kept insisting that he claimed early so to not lose a lynch, while in fact there where no real danger that so would be the case, and that he probably could have gotten away with less.

i would LOVE to point out that i called this coming. i specifically said when pressure builds again he would speak up do nothing to help himself and look i was right. i dont like this kinda play. i have no hesitation in lynching him. he repeatedly trys to push the light onto someone else and this IMO is the best lynch we have today.

why would clever consistently back a scummy person, and vote to lynch the inactive, who became active. clever wasnt that active either, kinda hiding in the fringes but still there, like a scum.

why would i back someone who acts a little scummy? cause maybe i dont think he is mafia and i think ha is townie. and even if i didnt i thought eldario to be a better candidate i thought i said that..o wait i did! its in red

I am currently leaning towards two groups of mafia, not connected, but with one kill and one other power... one group in the matrix (Clever, hippo, and maybe IB?) and one outside the matrix (doom and jak)... but for now, ill provide one more piece of evidence against clever and change my vote.

@betiko nothing has really changed since the last vote count. Are you to lazy to look back 1 page?

yes it did, but you are right i could ve recounted myself there hasn't been that many changes.

9-6 eldario, neb unvoted and voted freezie. this means that we need 4 votes to lynch.

@doom; this is my third (after night before christmas, and crazy's superheores), why anything very noobish in my last thoughts? don't you think we can't afford a no lynch?

well eldario is inactive. we dont have much to go off of till day 2. hmm im not sure. if were gonna just come back to him for being dead weight why not dispose of the "carcus" now. i mean think about it. why would we say "lets save this inactive who does didly squat" when we could say "lets get rid of him he has been contributing didly squat that way when we have another case we dont have to choose which one to lynch" (god..i feel like thats a terrible )

ok and i would like to point something out
the ENTIRE case on hippo is that he vote bounces. i had already pointed out he had reasons for most of them. and it got a few to unvote them but for some reason there are still 6 there so for those six i ask these questions

1.) why are you voting him?

2.) what do you think about his "vote bouncing"?

3.) why is his case better than lynching eldario?

always backing up hippo. why? surely, when hippo is only in moderate danger, he does not need someone else pushing for his defense, unless they have vested interest.
unvote vote clever

ok sure. lets do this. lets take a person who is inactive and not speaking for himself and lynch him on something other than inactivity. if he cant speak for himself then i dont wanna lynch him. should a player not be able to defend themselves before they are lynched? if you honestly believe this then let us vote you till you die and your not allowed to say anything. im not gonna let someone i believe to be town get lynched without a fair defense. thats just how it is.

Of course you defended yourself...any player in this game would...however, I don't have a better target right now.

Seriously? Come on Neb, you've been given a huge break. Don't make us think you all scummy again? That's not you looking down is it?

and now hippo defends clever. WHY? always defending eachother, by attacking everyone who attacks them.

I definitely still think jak and doom deserve more pressure, but lets focus on these scumbags first

how is that defending me at all? go look again other people said what he did as well are they my scum buddies to? just cause he pointed out a players scummyness does not in its own make him scummy.


p.s. can you please for the life of me start making one post with all your info and stop triple and quadrouple posting.

[Nebuchadnezer]

I like the multiple shorter posts...please don't post one giant pager long post...I fall asleep halfway through those.

[jonty125]

You guys never name claimed right? I don't see you guys doing that as scum, but perhaps as some third party group. I think you two should name claim, I don't see what you have to lose from doing that.

I'll wait for Doom to see if he wants to, otherwise you're gonna have to WIFOM a bit to make sense of it.

Though a note to Doom, remember, our luck is growing thin, if we're going to get passed tonight we're going to need town's help.

A bit WIFOM, makes hims sound like non-town.

I like the multiple shorter posts...please don't post one giant pager long post...I fall asleep halfway through those.

Very helpful

[Djfireside]

Well, if Doom doesn't show up by tonight I'll make the decision myself, however, it requires the support of the bus driver or the doc.

You mentioned you would need the assistance of these roles but that in itself appears strange. The only thing that I can think of as I was racking my brains on who would be masoned. Just the statement that you need the help of the busdriver does conclude that one of you may have been part of the N1 actions since from flavor appears that bus or doc joined up in the save on N1.

As the claims go on I am finding myself struggling to figure out who you two are though I do believe the mason as would be out there to claim that D1 which leads into

Scene

A man in a suit and sunglasses chases another man, who's wearing a white suit. Shots are fired, and soon the white suited man is stuck on a ledge. The man in the dark suit prepares to shoot, but the man in the white suit falls off the ledge. As the man in the dark suit looks over the edge, he notices that the man in the white seems to have fallen onto the hood of a car being driven by a woman. She speeds away as the man in the dark suit shakes his head and curses his luck.

Meanwhile, a different man in a dark suit and sunglasses follows another man into the subway system. The would be victim turns and sees the threat, and jumps onto the subway. The train curiously deposits another man on the platform. Indifferent, the man in the dark suit shoots this other man and walks away.

freezie, Morpheus, Town Watcher has been killed!

I hate this place. This zoo. This prison. This reality, whatever you want to call it, I can't stand it any longer. It's the smell, if there is such a thing. I feel saturated by it. I can taste your stink and every time I do, I fear that I've somehow been infected by it.

It is now Day 2! With 22 alive, it takes 12 to lynch.

from this, yes, it would seem i was right... two mafia factions, and the woman in the car is probably the oracle.

Im not sure what this other man is, and why the first one didnt get hit by the train...

We believe that there is mafia and third party which from the quote is more than like Smith. In that scene we think the Doc saved one and busdriver transplanted another into the kill which saved the inital target and killed the other buss'ed person

This links into what Jak was saying because on N1 both these roles were present I believe in the scene which leads that they believe they were part of it?!?

FP jonty

[Djfireside]

and to add to the quick addendum of post length..... Shorter posts I think does seem to help especailly when getting alot of data out cause I can see people not wanting to read them... I make real long ones so I wonder if thats why the point never gets across...

[vodean]

Pre-emptive VOTE VODEAN WELCOME TO THE GAME

-SG7 ( )

wtf? when did this happen? i was in no way a part of this game until sunday...

[everywhere116]

another reason why i dont believe doom and jak is cuz they didnt nameclaim. so why should we believe them. if they didnt do it cuz theyre morpheus or the oracle or something, then the doc will save them. The only reason, therefore, to hide their names is fear of a counter-claim.

Morpheus is dead.

[vodean]

Ok f*ck this, got to page 41 and I am falling asleep. Blame the football.

But anyway, as of page 41 the scum are:

Freezie, everywhere, jonty and skillful. Any questions?

yes! you fingered four people. two are now dead. of those two, one was NKed and the other, im not sure who was pushing for. FOS pmc, though i realistically think hes town.

I have to be grateful to the seven sins (s7c) for his erudite elaborations! Like wow! But yes, every word correct (and substantially better than I believe I could bung together myself!). And thanks to the rest of you.

I guess it comes down to lynching a VT who's making no effort (eldario) or quickly mustering something. I suspect the latter is not an option. Therefore that leaves us with no lynch or bye bye Eldario!?

lol your welcome im not gonna sit around and let someone i believe to be town to get hit while there are better options for the lynch.

fine, since nothing I say can change your mind anyway I'll guess I'll have to accept my fate,
but I am still sceptic towards hippos early claim, and his reasoning in doing so,
despite several people stating that they were going to go back to me, when the time comes he kept insisting that he claimed early so to not lose a lynch, while in fact there where no real danger that so would be the case, and that he probably could have gotten away with less.

i would LOVE to point out that i called this coming. i specifically said when pressure builds again he would speak up do nothing to help himself and look i was right. i dont like this kinda play. i have no hesitation in lynching him. he repeatedly trys to push the light onto someone else and this IMO is the best lynch we have today.

why would clever consistently back a scummy person, and vote to lynch the inactive, who became active. clever wasnt that active either, kinda hiding in the fringes but still there, like a scum.

why would i back someone who acts a little scummy? cause maybe i dont think he is mafia and i think ha is townie. and even if i didnt i thought eldario to be a better candidate i thought i said that..o wait i did! its in red

but he wasnt a better candidate is what im saying. lynch the scum or possible scum, not the inactive, and hence likely town.

I am currently leaning towards two groups of mafia, not connected, but with one kill and one other power... one group in the matrix (Clever, hippo, and maybe IB?) and one outside the matrix (doom and jak)... but for now, ill provide one more piece of evidence against clever and change my vote.

@betiko nothing has really changed since the last vote count. Are you to lazy to look back 1 page?

yes it did, but you are right i could ve recounted myself there hasn't been that many changes.

9-6 eldario, neb unvoted and voted freezie. this means that we need 4 votes to lynch.

@doom; this is my third (after night before christmas, and crazy's superheores), why anything very noobish in my last thoughts? don't you think we can't afford a no lynch?

well eldario is inactive. we dont have much to go off of till day 2. hmm im not sure. if were gonna just come back to him for being dead weight why not dispose of the "carcus" now. i mean think about it. why would we say "lets save this inactive who does didly squat" when we could say "lets get rid of him he has been contributing didly squat that way when we have another case we dont have to choose which one to lynch" (god..i feel like thats a terrible )

ok and i would like to point something out
the ENTIRE case on hippo is that he vote bounces. i had already pointed out he had reasons for most of them. and it got a few to unvote them but for some reason there are still 6 there so for those six i ask these questions

1.) why are you voting him?

2.) what do you think about his "vote bouncing"?

3.) why is his case better than lynching eldario?

always backing up hippo. why? surely, when hippo is only in moderate danger, he does not need someone else pushing for his defense, unless they have vested interest.
unvote vote clever

ok sure. lets do this. lets take a person who is inactive and not speaking for himself and lynch him on something other than inactivity. if he cant speak for himself then i dont wanna lynch him. should a player not be able to defend themselves before they are lynched? if you honestly believe this then let us vote you till you die and your not allowed to say anything. im not gonna let someone i believe to be town get lynched without a fair defense. thats just how it is.

thats what im saying. dont lynch people for inactivity. they arent sleepy from being up all night, just from being bored all day. yet you push for lynching people for being inactive. i do appreciate that you give them chances to speak, but COME ON!

Of course you defended yourself...any player in this game would...however, I don't have a better target right now.

Seriously? Come on Neb, you've been given a huge break. Don't make us think you all scummy again? That's not you looking down is it?

and now hippo defends clever. WHY? always defending eachother, by attacking everyone who attacks them.

I definitely still think jak and doom deserve more pressure, but lets focus on these scumbags first

how is that defending me at all? go look again other people said what he did as well are they my scum buddies to? just cause he pointed out a players scummyness does not in its own make him scummy.


p.s. can you please for the life of me start making one post with all your info and stop triple and quadrouple posting.

that is defending you by deflecting attention, and pushing everyone towards someone else.

some people prefer shorter posts. also, i cant edit, and have a lot to say after 73 pages.

fastposted myself

[vodean]

another reason why i dont believe doom and jak is cuz they didnt nameclaim. so why should we believe them. if they didnt do it cuz theyre morpheus or the oracle or something, then the doc will save them. The only reason, therefore, to hide their names is fear of a counter-claim.

Morpheus is dead.

yes, yes, but neo then, perhaps. point still stands

[DoomYoshi]

I won't nameclaim w/o a BW, or in case of a future mass claim. I won't join in name speculation at all, but I will read your comments very thoroughly. I would suggest you toe the party line here jak.

@vodean: you accuse me of redirecting w/o reason. This is false for 2 reasons:
1) I redirected because I know jak to be town (jak pointed this out)
2) I provided reasons for my redirections in the post you quoted. Another player even agreed with the reasoning
Also, why did you role claim? I just want you to state your reasons so I know how your thought process works.

Vote pmc

Your unbacked vote against edoc has really odd timing. I would expect that earlier in the game or with less discussion on the table, not now. Also, your threatening tone about our names has already started to turn jak against me. Will provide specific quotes by request.

[jak111]

Your unbacked vote against edoc has really odd timing. I would expect that earlier in the game or with less discussion on the table, not now. Also, your threatening tone about our names has already started to turn jak against me. Will provide specific quotes by request.

I am not against you Doom, but it's fact we won't make it much longer without help and we can't let the town be blind about it neither. The mafia know by now what's going on. We were lucky twice, personally I'd rather not give it a 3rd chance.

[DoomYoshi]

The mafia know by now what's going on.

I disagree with this point for many reasons. Let's leave the discussion here.

[jak111]

Alright, as you wish. Anyhow, it should be interesting to find out about Clever for tonight.