Americans

[genius6]

lmao.... wow, those two posts were the only ones I've read ever that have actually make me physically laugh out loud. That's right mere mortals... quiver in fear. No, but seriously I go to George Washington University, and the courses I take are pretty fucking tough. All I'm saying is after having to use my brain all day. It's fun to come back and sling some crude, unintelligent, semi-politcal insults around. Guys who take these posts too seriously crack me up. I mean it's an online game... And a very, very small portion of the people who play actually post... What you say here doesn't matter. Despite how some people treat this website like it was real life it isn't. *cough* (guiscard, titanic, hecter, etc.)

Ah, excellent point. Just what some of us needed, a small dose of reality.

[genius6]

I tried to read from where I left off (somewhere around page 64ish), but the amount of brain cells that I would have to surrender was too great, in my opinion. SO, I will spam instead.

Spam spam spam. america rules spam spam spam

the rest are just fools

Don't worry. All rational debate from the more conservative side dissolved into mindless childish insults about page 65.

I'm a conservative, phoo'. You shouldn't lump all of the cons together, numb nuts. Der be neocons about!

Yes, neocons deserve a nice padded cell all to themselves.

liberals need to stop sucking so much dick

And conservatives need to stop raping so many defenseless rabbits.

[GustavusAdolphus]

I tried to read from where I left off (somewhere around page 64ish), but the amount of brain cells that I would have to surrender was too great, in my opinion. SO, I will spam instead.

Spam spam spam. america rules spam spam spam

the rest are just fools

Don't worry. All rational debate from the more conservative side dissolved into mindless childish insults about page 65.

I'm a conservative, phoo'. You shouldn't lump all of the cons together, numb nuts. Der be neocons about!

Yes, neocons deserve a nice padded cell all to themselves.

liberals need to stop sucking so much dick

And conservatives need to stop raping so many defenseless rabbits.

Don't you dare defend those rabbits, you evil bastard. Those rabbits had it coming. They should have known better than to trespass in my garden.

[Titanic]

Fo Sho, firstly I have doubts about whether you go to uni, or are actually of that age. You've not stated one good arguament or backed it up at all. All your statements are bigotry, and your responese are far from educated, it is a compliment to call them childish.

Secondly, you are not the only one who studied politics. Guiscard studies it, and I have been accepted into the university which has the best rated politics department in the UK, and also into another university which is also ranked in the top 20 overall.

Also, who are these people who are so great and internationally prominent?

After spending all day hearing lectures from some of the "great liberal" professors and politcal thinkers of our time

I argue and debate daily with in some of the greatest political arenas of today's time.

Some names please, I'm sure if their that great I will have heard of them.

[flashleg8]

Fo Sho, firstly I have doubts about whether you go to uni, or are actually of that age. You've not stated one good arguament or backed it up at all. All your statements are bigotry, and your responese are far from educated, it is a compliment to call them childish.

Secondly, you are not the only one who studied politics. Guiscard studies it, and I have been accepted into the university which has the best rated politics department in the UK, and also into another university which is also ranked in the top 20 overall.

Also, who are these people who are so great and internationally prominent?

After spending all day hearing lectures from some of the "great liberal" professors and politcal thinkers of our time

I argue and debate daily with in some of the greatest political arenas of today's time.

Some names please, I'm sure if their that great I will have heard of them.

Good call Titanic. This guys another Jamie. He might go to the University he says, but based on his posts he's more likely to be the janitor there than a student!
Yourself and Guiscard's education on the other hand, shines through in your well presented arguments.

[Iz Man]

Yourself and Guiscard's education on the other hand, shines through in your well presented arguments.

From a communisty to turn-tail cowards...
There's some credibility for ya

What's it like waking up scared every morning?

Waste of time here......

[Backglass]

What's it like waking up scared every morning?

Ask George W. Bush.

[Fo Sho]

Fo Sho, firstly I have doubts about whether you go to uni, or are actually of that age. You've not stated one good arguament or backed it up at all. All your statements are bigotry, and your responese are far from educated, it is a compliment to call them childish.

Secondly, you are not the only one who studied politics. Guiscard studies it, and I have been accepted into the university which has the best rated politics department in the UK, and also into another university which is also ranked in the top 20 overall.

Also, who are these people who are so great and internationally prominent?

After spending all day hearing lectures from some of the "great liberal" professors and politcal thinkers of our time

I argue and debate daily with in some of the greatest political arenas of today's time.

Some names please, I'm sure if their that great I will have heard of them.

Good call Titanic. This guys another Jamie. He might go to the University he says, but based on his posts he's more likely to be the janitor there than a student!
Yourself and Guiscard's education on the other hand, shines through in your well presented arguments.

lol, there you go again sucking each other off. I feel no need to prove myself to anybody. I do not care what any of you think, and quite frankly I feel stupid having wasted my time on this argument. I know all the arguments for why there are so many problems in todays government, why we shouldn't be in Iraq, how we're destroying the effectiveness of the UN, etc. etc. etc. But I still have my own beliefs. I come from a very conservative background, and I still hold those ideals firm. I do not enjoy war, several of my brothers from my fraternity are currently in Iraq, and I pray for them everyday. But I still believe, for several different reasons that the war was necessary. I do believe that it was bungled greatly, and in no way, shape or form do I think that George Bush has done a great job. But it still had to be done, for both present and future purposes. I am very proud of my country, despite international criticism. Good luck to you and your educational career Titanic, you'll fit right in with all the other blowhards and other semi-intellectuals who think that since they watch the news at night, they are experts on today's politcal arena. haha, and I don't know the answer to your question Guiscard, but I'm imagining the faces of some of the more 'dignified' professors I have and it makes me laugh.

Sorry if I ruined your guys' extremely one-sided and "intellectual" debate with a few crass comments. The only reason I really post anything is for kicks. Just like why I play risk, it's for a quick laugh. Flashleg, you need to realize that this game and this forum is not the whole world, there are, believe it or not, bigger things in this world than arguing with greasy haired nerds who sit at their computer all day like Titanic.

I do however respect the arguments that you have made in this thread Guiscard, while I do not agree with them, you have some semi-valid points. haha. I do think that your obvious fear of terrorism, and your willingness to submit to whatever terrorists demand is appalling however. Terrorism feeds off of people like you and Titanic.

For the second time now I am done with this thread. Carry on with your liberal dick sucking....

AMERICA WINS AGAIN!!!

[Backglass]

lol, there you go again sucking each other off. I feel no need to prove myself to anybody. I do not care what any of you think, and quite frankly I feel stupid having wasted my time on this argument.

The shear size of your ego is astonishing...especially since your are still just a schoolboy.

I come from a very conservative background, and I still hold those ideals firm.

Mommy and Daddy indoctrinated you quite well. Perhaps one day you will learn to think for yourself.

I do not enjoy war, several of my brothers from my fraternity are currently in Iraq, and I pray for them everyday.

Your prayers do jack shit. When one of them is killed, be sure to thank George W. Bush for his help, and your god for (not) responding.

I do believe that it was bungled greatly, and in no way, shape or form do I think that George Bush has done a great job.

Understatement of the decade.

But it still had to be done, for both present and future purposes.

And what exactly are those purposes? Do you honestly believe that this "war" has done one single bit of good for anyone? All it has done is HELPED the terrorists...unified them. The "war" has been the single largest recruitment drive they have ever had! And in case you have forgotten we were NOT attacked by the country or Iraq, the Iraqi people or Saddam Hussein. The man who masterminded the attacks, Osama Bin Laden, isn't in Iraq and never was.

I am very proud of my country, despite international criticism.

Your pride, or anyone else's was never in question.

Good luck to you and your educational career Titanic, you'll fit right in with all the other blowhards and other semi-intellectuals who think that since they watch the news at night, they are experts on today's politcal arena.

Well, that sounds like every conservative I have ever met!

You and your "who cares what anyone thinks" kind make me a bit ashamed to be American. Hopefully, one day when you grow up, you will actually travel outside the borders of our great country and see the rest of the world and actually MEET some people from these lands you dismiss as unimportant.

[Fo Sho]

you atheistic, cowardly, un-american, stinking fucking liberal... If I ever met anyone in real life who said half the things you just said to me, I would beat the living shit out of them. Go get fucked you bitch.

[Backglass]

you atheistic, cowardly, un-american, stinking fucking liberal... If I ever met anyone in real life who said half the things you just said to me, I would beat the living shit out of them. Go get fucked you bitch.

You are the cowardly un-american my little friend...waving goodbye as your buddies go off to die for an idiot president with a napoleon complex.

If you had the balls to be half as patriotic as you pompously claim to be, you would do as our for-fathers did and stand up for what is right instead of falling into the party line like the sad little college lemming you are.

Put down the corona and use your brain...maybe you'll make something of yourself when you become an adult.

Oh...and I'm not a liberal. Nice try though.

...and I see you also dont have the balls to answer a single question. No surprise really...easier to just call names isn't it little man!

Pathetic.

[Fo Sho]

you atheistic, cowardly, un-american, stinking fucking liberal... If I ever met anyone in real life who said half the things you just said to me, I would beat the living shit out of them. Go get fucked you bitch.

You are the cowardly un-american my little friend...waving goodbye as your buddies go off to die for an idiot president with a napoleon complex.

If you had the balls to be half as patriotic as you pompously claim to be, you would do as our for-fathers did and stand up for what is right instead of falling into the party line like the sad little college lemming you are.

Put down the corona and use your brain...maybe you'll make something of yourself when you become an adult.

Oh...and I'm not a liberal. Nice try though.

I never said I don't care what other people think. I just don't give a shit what people say or think on this website. But you fucking crossed the line with that bullshit about my brothers being killed and being able to thank my "god" or the President... Fall into line??? Are you kidding me? I'd say about 95% of people my age are all liberal. If I wanted to "fall into line" I would be arguing the same old bullshit that you're saying.

[Fo Sho]

We've been arguing the answer to your stupid fucking question for the past, oh I don't know, fifty fucking pages or so you fuckwit. Go read those if you want. Like I said earlier, this argument is stupid and not accomplishing anything. But your callous and incredibly fucking un american remarks set me off. You crawl into a hole and die bitch. Or better yet come pay me a visit and I'll bury you myself

[Titanic]

Terrorism feeds off of people like you and Titanic.

No, terrorism feeds of people like George Bush and the American government. Iraq proves my point. There would be much less terrorists and "angry" muslims today if Iraq was no invaded.

you atheistic, cowardly, un-american, stinking fucking liberal... If I ever met anyone in real life who said half the things you just said to me, I would beat the living shit out of them. Go get fucked you bitch.

Is that what your "great liberal professors and politcal thinkers of our time" teach you? Funiily enough, in that long unstructured post, you did not once give a name of any of these professors? I wonder why... (Jamie #2)

Flashleg, you need to realize that this game and this forum is not the whole world, there are, believe it or not, bigger things in this world than arguing with greasy haired nerds who sit at their computer all day like Titanic.

I will like you to know that I have actually competed in national tournaments in Taekwondo, and regiongal tournament for badminton. I also volunteer at the primary school I used to do teaching basketball to 10 year olds. I have enough of a life away from the computer and the internet.

Sorry if I ruined your guys' extremely one-sided and "intellectual" debate with a few crass comments.

Its one sided because me and Guis are the best ones at stated our opinion in a structured manner, with backup, and intellectual reasoning. No one who opposes us ever does that. You always just come to swearing and name calling and petty childish acts. I would be very glad if someone opposes me with an educational post. It could lead to a good debate, but you clearly are not capable of that.

I come from a very conservative background, and I still hold those ideals firm.

So you choose to believe what you were told to, rather then what you want to. I have different beliefs then my uncles and grandparents, but some similar beleifs of my parents, although there are some areas where I disagree strongly with them. When I was old enough to understand and study politics, I made my own decisions and supported the party and fundamentals that I wanted to. Seems you're not capable of that.

But I still believe, for several different reasons that the war was necessary.

And they are????

But it still had to be done, for both present and future purposes.

Why? The present and future are more dangerous simple BECAUSE of Iraq.

Good luck to you and your educational career Titanic, you'll fit right in with all the other blowhards and other semi-intellectuals who think that since they watch the news at night, they are experts on today's politcal arena.

Yes, the blowhards and semi-intellectuals at Essex University. Check the rankings. They have the best politics department within the UK. Lancaster university, a top 20 uni, with outstanding facilities and great partnerships with major firms and the government. If you want proof, I can show it. Wheres your proof of these "legendary" professors, and you actually attending the GW University?

[Guiscard]

lol, there you go again sucking each other off. I feel no need to prove myself to anybody. I do not care what any of you think, and quite frankly I feel stupid having wasted my time on this argument. I know all the arguments for why there are so many problems in todays government, why we shouldn't be in Iraq, how we're destroying the effectiveness of the UN, etc. etc. etc. But I still have my own beliefs. I come from a very conservative background, and I still hold those ideals firm. I do not enjoy war, several of my brothers from my fraternity are currently in Iraq, and I pray for them everyday. But I still believe, for several different reasons that the war was necessary. I do believe that it was bungled greatly, and in no way, shape or form do I think that George Bush has done a great job. But it still had to be done, for both present and future purposes. I am very proud of my country, despite international criticism. Good luck to you and your educational career Titanic, you'll fit right in with all the other blowhards and other semi-intellectuals who think that since they watch the news at night, they are experts on today's politcal arena. haha, and I don't know the answer to your question Guiscard, but I'm imagining the faces of some of the more 'dignified' professors I have and it makes me laugh.

Sorry if I ruined your guys' extremely one-sided and "intellectual" debate with a few crass comments. The only reason I really post anything is for kicks. Just like why I play risk, it's for a quick laugh. Flashleg, you need to realize that this game and this forum is not the whole world, there are, believe it or not, bigger things in this world than arguing with greasy haired nerds who sit at their computer all day like Titanic.

I do however respect the arguments that you have made in this thread Guiscard, while I do not agree with them, you have some semi-valid points. haha. I do think that your obvious fear of terrorism, and your willingness to submit to whatever terrorists demand is appalling however. Terrorism feeds off of people like you and Titanic.

For the second time now I am done with this thread. Carry on with your liberal dick sucking....

AMERICA WINS AGAIN!!!

The first emboldened point:

You were the one who mentioned university and qualifications first! At no point did any of us feel the need to boast about our education...

The second emboldened point:

Thank you for respecting what i have to say, but AGAIN I've got to say this...

AT NO POINT HAVE I SAID GIVING IN TO TERRORIST DEMANDS IS A GOOD IDEA!!! OR THAT WE SHOULD LEAVE IRAQ BECAUSE IT IS CAUSING MORE TERRORISM WORLDWIDE!!!!

I used the example of Spain and London to illustrate the point that these terrorist attacks are happening because of the war in Iraq, but at no point did I state that I thought giving in to demands was a good idea. Indeed, I think the Spanish reaction is pretty deplorable (although they weren't involved in Iraq to the same extent as the UK). Find one single post where I said we should leave Iraq. I think we should stay there until the job is done. Until the Iraqis have a secure and stable country with a democratic government and are able to enact their sovereignty without threat of civil war or external invasion. I am in no way 'willing to submit to terrorist demands' nor am I a coward. Find a single post which demonstrates that this is my actual stated viewpoint and I'll change my avatar to 'I'm a liberal pussy coward' for a week.

Finally, I find it interesting that you can hold (in your eyes) grounded, reasonable and intellectual political views but others with an equal level of education and experience cannot! Why does having a view which you disagree with mean that we are all 'blowhards and other semi-intellectuals who think that since they watch the news at night, they are experts on today's politcal arena.' What makes you an expert and liberals not?

[Iz Man]

I used the example of Spain and London to illustrate the point that these terrorist attacks are happening because of the war in Iraq, but at no point did I state that I thought giving in to demands was a good idea. Indeed, I think the Spanish reaction is pretty deplorable (although they weren't involved in Iraq to the same extent as the UK). I think we should stay there until the job is done. Until the Iraqis have a secure and stable country with a democratic government and are able to enact their sovereignty without threat of civil war or external invasion. I am in no way 'willing to submit to terrorist demands' nor am I a coward.

Fair enough. I withdraw my coward comment towards you.

[Stopper]

Indeed, I think the Spanish reaction is pretty deplorable (although they weren't involved in Iraq to the same extent as the UK). Find one single post where I said we should leave Iraq.

I agreed with the bulk of (but not all of) everything you said, but since Iz Man has picked up on this as well, and this particular issue is a favourite hunting ground of US conservatives, I want to say I think the Spanish people acted just as any normal people should.

They didn't elect the Socialist government because of the Madrid bombings; they elected it because Aznar (who was the favourite to win) immediately, deliberately, and probably knowingly, falsely blamed the bombings on ETA (and he knew full well that ETA has never, and probably could, and more to the point, would never, attempt something on such a scale.)

The bombings and the elections all took place over a few short and very tumultuous days.

Spain then pulled out because the Socialists (like most places, except, er, Britain) opposed the Iraq war from the get-go, and that is what they promised.

Spain's reaction should not be presented as a people flip-flopping in the face of terrorism, because US conservatives like to repeatedly portray it that way.

[Backglass]

I think we should stay there until the job is done. Until the Iraqis have a secure and stable country with a democratic government and are able to enact their sovereignty without threat of civil war or external invasion.

For sake of argument for all involved...what if that takes 5-10-20 more years at 10 million dollars an hour to "get the job done"? Would it still be worth it in your eyes?

We've been arguing the answer to your stupid fucking question for the past, oh I don't know, fifty fucking pages or so you fuckwit. Go read those if you want. Like I said earlier, this argument is stupid and not accomplishing anything. But your callous and incredibly fucking un american remarks set me off.

I love how you and your ilk toss around "un-american" like an insult to anyone who isnt a bible thumping, war monger wanting to invade other countries for political gain.

But I can play your game if you like: If I am "un-american" for opposing the war, then you are "un-american" for not signing up YESTERDAY and going to fight for all that is good and pure on the front lines. Whats the matter? No guts? Scared? Mommy wouldn't let you? Isn't this fight necessary for our "present and future purposes" as you say? You un-american COWARD...go enlist! But you wont...all talk and no balls. Pathetic.

You crawl into a hole and die bitch. Or better yet come pay me a visit and I'll bury you myself.

AND there you have it. The answer to everything in your ultra conservative view...violence. Don't like em? Bomb em and invade. Offended the rest of the world? Who cares. Say something you don't like? Beat em up. Very classy, but all your testosterone filled chest thumping is just making you look like even more of a idiot.

[Fo Sho]

I think we should stay there until the job is done. Until the Iraqis have a secure and stable country with a democratic government and are able to enact their sovereignty without threat of civil war or external invasion.

For sake of argument for all involved...what if that takes 5-10-20 more years at 10 million dollars an hour to "get the job done"? Would it still be worth it in your eyes?

We've been arguing the answer to your stupid fucking question for the past, oh I don't know, fifty fucking pages or so you fuckwit. Go read those if you want. Like I said earlier, this argument is stupid and not accomplishing anything. But your callous and incredibly fucking un american remarks set me off.

I love how you and your ilk toss around "un-american" like an insult to anyone who isnt a bible thumping, war monger wanting to invade other countries for political gain.

But I can play your game if you like: If I am "un-american" for opposing the war, then you are "un-american" for not signing up YESTERDAY and going to fight for all that is good and pure on the front lines. Whats the matter? No guts? Scared? Mommy wouldn't let you? Isn't this fight necessary for our "present and future purposes" as you say? You un-american COWARD...go enlist! But you wont...all talk and no balls. Pathetic.

You crawl into a hole and die bitch. Or better yet come pay me a visit and I'll bury you myself.

AND there you have it. The answer to everything in your ultra conservative view...violence. Don't like em? Bomb em and invade. Offended the rest of the world? Who cares. Say something you don't like? Beat em up. Very classy, but all your testosterone filled chest thumping is just making you look like even more of a idiot.

I said that in direct response to what you said, "Your prayers do jack shit. When one of them is killed, be sure to thank George W. Bush for his help, and your god for (not) responding." My family has a proud tradition in the US military, and maybe I should've joined the military, hell maybe I still will, depending on how my grades do this semester... But cowards like you have no idea what it means to sacrifice anything for your country. You have no idea what men and women are doing and sacrficing for your freedom... Your freedom to say things like, "when your friends die make sure to thank your "god"". All people like you can do is take for granted all your liberties. You make me sick. I'm mad at myself more than anything for letting a little worm like you get to me.

I also withdraw my previous coward comments to you guiscard, I see now how you were trying to prove your point. And much to my dismay I could find no explicit evidence of you saying you are willing to submit... haha. I don't hate all liberals... I value your guys' ideas and opinions just as much as I do conservatives. Having two opposing sides to issues is essential to the American way of life. If it was just the liberals or just the conservatives in control then our country would crash and burn.

It's self-centered and un-american scum like backglass that disgust me. And what makes me bible thumping by the way backglass? True I believe in a higher power, but all I said earlier was that I pray everyday for my brothers in the armed forces... I'm not pushing my beliefs on you or anyone in any way, shape, or form. Do you have a problem with that? I do not like war, I do not like see people dying, whether they be american, british, or Iraqi... But Saddam Hussein needed to be stopped. The UN placed 17 sanctions on Iraq!!! 17!!! none of them did anything. He did not submit to the UN, or the inspectors. We could not allow a mad man like Saddam to rule any longer... I do think that the war was rushed, and done poorly. I also think that the claims of nuclear weapons should've been further investigated before being tossed around so readily by the Bush administration. But Saddam was bluffing like he had them, no one could deny that. If he had simply submitted just a little I think the whole war could've been avoided.

Backglass, you need to re consider your personal freedoms and your way of thinking. And be thankful that you live in a country that tolerates douches like you. Go get fucked bitch.

[Backglass]

I said that in direct response to what you said, "Your prayers do jack shit. When one of them is killed, be sure to thank George W. Bush for his help, and your god for (not) responding."

And I said it because it's true. Our fine fighting men don't need prayers..they need OUT. Screw your rituals...bringing the boys home is how we save their lives, not by wringing our hands.

My family has a proud tradition in the US military

Everyone but you it seems.

and maybe I should've joined the military, hell maybe I still will, depending on how my grades do this semester...

I doubt it. It's easier to beat your chest in your dorm room and feel proud of your "family military tradition".

But cowards like you have no idea what it means to sacrifice anything for your country. You have no idea what men and women are doing and sacrficing for your freedom... Your freedom to say things like, "when your friends die make sure to thank your "god"". All people like you can do is take for granted all your liberties. You make me sick. I'm mad at myself more than anything for letting a little worm like you get to me.

You crack me up little man! Throwing about words like "coward" and "liberties" like you have the slightest clue what you are talking about. Turn off the talk radio, and start thinking for yourself. Our liberties were never at risk...Iraq and Saddam Hussein were no closer to infringing on our liberties than Martha Stewart. We were never attacked by Saddam Hussein, and now history has shown were never were going to be either. It was a HUGE mistake orchestrated by the biggest baffoon every to hold our highest office. Just admit it and get out. Yesterday.

It's self-centered and un-american scum like backglass that disgust me.

More American than you ever will be pal. You should take a history class or two while your wasting daddy's money and learn a little about "liberty" and "Patriotism".

I do not like war, I do not like see people dying, whether they be american, british, or Iraqi

On that we can agree.

But Saddam Hussein needed to be stopped. The UN placed 17 sanctions on Iraq!!! 17!!! none of them did anything. He did not submit to the UN, or the inspectors. We could not allow a mad man like Saddam to rule any longer...

When do we invade Venezuela, North Korea or CUBA 90 miles away? Hmmm...those dont seem as important now do they.

Backglass, you need to re consider your personal freedoms and your way of thinking. And be thankful that you live in a country that tolerates douches like you. Go get fucked bitch.

I love how you feel it necessary to curse and spew venom to get your point across while parroting the ultra-conservative rhetoric pumped into your brain by daddy. Does it make you feel all fuzzy warm inside? Such a little man with big words. You need to learn to act like an adult. Joining the military would be a good start...practice what you preach if you have the balls.

[Fo Sho]

I'm sorry you seem to be so upset I'm at college and getting an education. I'm sorry my parents are actually successful and can afford to put me through school. I'm sorry that you have such an inferiority complex that you need to result to calling me "little man" every sentence. By the way I'm 6'4" and weigh 210 pounds. Hardly little.

My prayers and support for our troops are much more helpful than you saying things like, "when your friends die you can thank george bush." It cracks me up when you say "our boys" I seriously doubt you have any affiliation with anyone in the military by the way you show your support for our troops.

And no I'm not in the military, I thought I could make a difference in a different way by getting a higher education. If I do end up joining, or finishing my education, either way I'm doing something with my life, and am not a useless tool like you who sits on his computer all day. I think it's funny how I can go to class, meet some friends, go get some dinner, go to the gym, come back, write a post, and within five min. I know you'll respond. Cause THIS IS ALL YOU DO, you are a waste of space and oxygen.

I didn't say our liberties were at risk, I said you should be more appreciative of the liberties that are given to you by people like my friends in the military who are twice the man you could ever hope to be. Obviously we weren't attacked by Saddam Hussein, in the past century we've only been attacked at home a few times, and none were by Saddam Hussein. But some people, people with a few brain cells, that can see further into the future than later this afternoon, saw that he was a potential threat to us and our allies. And was already a threat to the thousands he had killed and oppressed.

I don't understand how you think that writing off our soldiers as dead, making a mockery of the military and the men and women who serve, insulting people's beliefs and our support for our troops, is any way "American". Not sure what YOU learned in school, but it definitely not what the rest of us were learning.

True, I grew up with a conservative back ground, and I grew up, learned about politics, am currently attending one of the most liberal universities in the United States, and listen everyday to why the liberals are right and conservatives are wrong. I see evidence on both sides of the argument, but still choose to be conservative...

Learn to act like an adult? I'm doing something with my life... How about you? Get off your computer chair and go contribute something to society. Hell, go start a protest against Bush, at least you'd be doing something "little man".

Going out now to hang out with some friends, I expect you to respond within the next few min. but sorry I won't get around to responding till tomorrow. Unfortunately I do have a life. Have fun spouting your cowardly, and grossly un-american filth. I'll be here tomorrow to put you in your place again.

Bye little man.

[Jolly Roger]

You crawl into a hole and die bitch. Or better yet come pay me a visit and I'll bury you myself

With your busy and exciting lifestyle, where would you ever find the time?

I pray for them everyday

Also, I was wondering, do you generally find it better to bury people before saying your daily prayers or after? I suppose either way has its advantages and disadvantages. Praying before would allow you to secure God's aid, thus ensuring an easy and successful burial. On the other hand, praying afterwards might be a relaxing activity to relieve the physical stress that comes with all that shovelling. Any thoughts?

[gingis khan]

have u ever thought of a simple fact that america started an unlawfull AGRESSION on Iraq with bogus (folse) agruments (they have illegal weapons...they are a threat to anothers.....shit like that). same hapenned in my country few years back...same WILL hapen in Iran , Korea.all these scolar debates are poor efforts to appologize for illegal agressions wordwide.

[Guiscard]

I think we should stay there until the job is done. Until the Iraqis have a secure and stable country with a democratic government and are able to enact their sovereignty without threat of civil war or external invasion.

For sake of argument for all involved...what if that takes 5-10-20 more years at 10 million dollars an hour to "get the job done"? Would it still be worth it in your eyes?

Yes. We've invaded a country and, basically, fucked it the hell up. If we leave it in a bad state, whatever the cost in money and manpower, we'll have committed a gross atrocity. We invaded for entirely selfish reasons and put the life of millions in danger, but I'm afraid now we have a responsibility to the Iraqi people to leave their country safely and securely. If it takes 20 years then it takes 20 years, and it gets labelled the greatest mistake in the history of western 'democracy promotion'. Then in the future people won't say 'look at Vietnam! We don't wanna get involved in this war!' they'll say 'Hell, look at what happened in Iraq! It took 20 years to establish a safe and secure country! We shouldn't go around invading other nations with such careless disregard'.

WHatever the cost in the lives of soldiers, even over the course of 20 years, it pails in comparison to the lives that would be lost were we to leave Iraq to descend into civil war, and those who say we should quit now on either side get nothing but contempt from me. Its our mess, and when we're messing with peoples lives and a peoples' country, we've gotta stay until that mess is cleaned up irrespective of the cost to us.

[Guiscard]

have u ever thought of a simple fact that america started an unlawfull AGRESSION on Iraq with bogus (folse) agruments (they have illegal weapons...they are a threat to anothers.....shit like that). same hapenned in my country few years back...same WILL hapen in Iran , Korea.all these scolar debates are poor efforts to appologize for illegal agressions wordwide.

Yes the illegality of the war has been argued at length. And it may well happen in Iran, but then again it may not for a whole host of reasons (all of them political and economic, not moral). The US won;t invade Korea, however, because firstly they have nukes and a dictator crazy enough to use them and secondly because they fall very much under the influence of Chinese protection, and a war with China is unthinkable...