The Majority of Americans Support Wut?

[BigBallinStalin]

Speaking of dishonest, Phatscotty, welcome! How's your past week been without pimpdave? How satisfied are you with his ban?

[Phatscotty]

Speaking of dishonest, Phatscotty, welcome! How's your past week been without pimpdave? How satisfied are you with his ban?

Why would it matter to me? I mostly ignored him. That worked much better and was a lot easier than asking him to post by the rules that everyone else has to follow.

To be fair, they hit me with an infraction at the same time, which is what I have been predicting for the past few months.

[BigBallinStalin]

Speaking of dishonest, Phatscotty, welcome! How's your past week been without pimpdave? How satisfied are you with his ban?

Why would it matter to me? I mostly ignored him. That worked much better and was a lot easier than asking him to post by the rules that everyone else has to follow.

To be fair, they hit me with an infraction at the same time, which is what I have been predicting for the past few months.

You ignored him so hard, that you wrote multiple PMs to mods and reported his posts, so that he could be banned.

Phatscotty, how many times have you lied until everyone releases that you have no integrity whatsoever?

[Phatscotty]

Speaking of dishonest, Phatscotty, welcome! How's your past week been without pimpdave? How satisfied are you with his ban?

Why would it matter to me? I mostly ignored him. That worked much better and was a lot easier than asking him to post by the rules that everyone else has to follow.

To be fair, they hit me with an infraction at the same time, which is what I have been predicting for the past few months.

You ignored him so hard, that you wrote multiple PMs to mods and reported his posts, so that he could be banned.

Phatscotty, how many times have you lied until everyone releases that you have no integrity whatsoever?

What are you lying about now? I did not write any PM's about Pimpdave to any mods. Where the hell do you get these delusions from? You think Pimpdave is banned because of me??? I'm pretty sure the last time I reported him was over a year ago for spamming the N word in that photo-shopped picture. I don't like reporting people and I try not to do it. Something to do with integrity.

Funny how you are lying while you imply I lie. Funny how you try to take away my integrity based on a lie. Says a lot about your integrity. I have so much integrity, I can borrow you some if you like. You seem to have taken leave of your own.

Just accept the truth. I ball too hard.

[AAFitz]

Who cares what the majority opinion is?

Thats the part he just cant get...he cant learn from history.

The majority would have voted to keep slaves
The majority of men would have voted to keep women from voting
The majority would have voted to keep inter-racial marriages illegal.

Our country was not based on the majority. It was based on unalienable rights, that while its citizens have kept from others in the past, has been truly un-american in every possible way.

He just doesn't get it, because he is not a true American, because he doesn't understand what freedom truly is.

[AAFitz]

Im as interested in Bill O'Really?'s opinion on marriage as I am his understanding of the solar system....or lack thereof.

Bill Oreally: "Where did the moon come from? How did it get there? "

Funny thing is, he doesn't understand where the moon came from, so God must have put it there, but with Gays, God had nothing to do with it, and its against His Will...

I say, f*ck the moon too. It should be illegal. I dont like it.

[notyou2]

Apparently phatty has no life whatsoever and his only social activity is this site. Ignore his phattiness and maybe he will go away.












Probably wishful thinking.

[AAFitz]

Apparently phatty has no life whatsoever and his only social activity is this site. Ignore his phattiness and maybe he will go away.












Probably wishful thinking.

Why would I ignore such comedy as that?

[Phatscotty]

Im as interested in Bill O'Really?'s opinion on marriage as I am his understanding of the solar system....or lack thereof.

Perhaps it is your own lack of understanding what you are talking about. The clip has 0 to do with Bill O'rielly's opinion. You would need to watch it to know it, but don't let ignoring it lead you to make a post that is worthless.

and here comes BBS to back you up

[Phatscotty]

Apparently phatty has no life whatsoever and his only social activity is this site. Ignore his phattiness and maybe he will go away.

Probably wishful thinking.

Why would I ignore such comedy as that?

and perhaps constantly making personal attacks only reveals how unprepared you are to post about the topics you guys flop in.

You don't have to like the facts I post.

[Phatscotty]

Apparently phatty has no life whatsoever and his only social activity is this site. Ignore his phattiness and maybe he will go away.

Probably wishful thinking.

Apparently you will do anything you can to dodge the issue at hand and ignore the facts....true mark of a winner.

[AAFitz]

Im as interested in Bill O'Really?'s opinion on marriage as I am his understanding of the solar system....or lack thereof.

Perhaps it is your own lack of understanding what you are talking about. The clip has 0 to do with Bill O'rielly's opinion. You would need to watch it to know it, but don't let ignoring it lead you to make a post that is worthless.

and here comes BBS to back you up

Im ignoring it only because I already know he is a moron and cant even understand basic science. Why would I be interested in his thoughts on an actually complicated issue?

I dont need BBS to back me up, because its so straight forward and obvious, that only you fail to get it, and others similarly....unable to understand.

Besides...if BBS is backing me up....that should probably tell you something.

[GreecePwns]

That BBS is a communist, of course. I mean, dude's got the word Stalin right in his name.

[AAFitz]

Apparently phatty has no life whatsoever and his only social activity is this site. Ignore his phattiness and maybe he will go away.

Probably wishful thinking.

Why would I ignore such comedy as that?

and perhaps constantly making personal attacks only reveals how unprepared you are to post about the topics you guys flop in.

You don't have to like the facts I post.

As I said, I like your posts just fine, and laugh at what you consider facts quite regularly. This is not meant as a personal attack, but at worst, an attack of your posts and their content....

You are the one that ignored the full content of my posts, because its either clear, you are fully incapable of understanding the true nature of the discussion, or fully corrupted by your political position. In any case, its you flopping in with ridiculous claims in ridiculous thread after thread, absolutely begging to be debunked.

I am simply giving you the guidance and information, it seems you must be craving.

If I start making ridiculous claims based on false premises, I expect no less of you to chime in and help correct me as well...of course, I just don't do that.

[AAFitz]

Apparently phatty has no life whatsoever and his only social activity is this site. Ignore his phattiness and maybe he will go away.

Probably wishful thinking.

Apparently you will do anything you can to dodge the issue at hand and ignore the facts....true mark of a winner.

You are the one that are dodging multiple posts about how the majority has often voted things, that even you would probably post as being completely wrong and un-American, which is fully central to this entire subject, and the actual title of this very thread.

Im sure that is just an oversight though.

A Democracy does not equal freedom, if it votes to take away freedom, from some of its members. That is what America was founded on, and why you are unable to understand this very issue at its basic level.

The majority has voted and achieved stripping other Americans from unalienable rights, that are self evident many times in the past.

THAT DID NOT MAKE IT RIGHT. It merely meant they got away with it, but some of us learn from our history, and fight against such evil, while others perpetuate it, like yourself.

The people who fought against interacial marriage are the same as you. They used the same arguments, the same reasoning, and in the end, met the same fight...they died having fought on the side of evil, only to have future generations, writhe in disgust at pictures of them stamping on the American ideals. You Phatscotty, are one of those, and you dont even realize it.

That, is what we are trying to show you and everyone else here.

[Phatscotty]

Apparently phatty has no life whatsoever and his only social activity is this site. Ignore his phattiness and maybe he will go away.

Probably wishful thinking.

Why would I ignore such comedy as that?

and perhaps constantly making personal attacks only reveals how unprepared you are to post about the topics you guys flop in.

You don't have to like the facts I post.

As I said, I like your posts just fine, and laugh at what you consider facts quite regularly. This is not meant as a personal attack, but at worst, an attack of your posts and their content....

You are the one that ignored the full content of my posts, because its either clear, you are fully incapable of understanding the true nature of the discussion, or fully corrupted by your political position. In any case, its you flopping in with ridiculous claims in ridiculous thread after thread, absolutely begging to be debunked.

I am simply giving you the guidance and information, it seems you must be craving.

If I start making ridiculous claims based on false premises, I expect no less of you to chime in and help correct me as well...of course, I just don't do that.

You are lecturing me about not being able to understand the true nature of the discussion.....in my own discussion???

How about....we start.....here....

What is the ridiculous claim? What is the false premise?

[AAFitz]

Apparently phatty has no life whatsoever and his only social activity is this site. Ignore his phattiness and maybe he will go away.

Probably wishful thinking.

Why would I ignore such comedy as that?

and perhaps constantly making personal attacks only reveals how unprepared you are to post about the topics you guys flop in.

You don't have to like the facts I post.

As I said, I like your posts just fine, and laugh at what you consider facts quite regularly. This is not meant as a personal attack, but at worst, an attack of your posts and their content....

You are the one that ignored the full content of my posts, because its either clear, you are fully incapable of understanding the true nature of the discussion, or fully corrupted by your political position. In any case, its you flopping in with ridiculous claims in ridiculous thread after thread, absolutely begging to be debunked.

I am simply giving you the guidance and information, it seems you must be craving.

If I start making ridiculous claims based on false premises, I expect no less of you to chime in and help correct me as well...of course, I just don't do that.

You are lecturing me about not being able to understand the true nature of the discussion.....in my own discussion???

How about....we start.....here....

What is the ridiculous claim? What is the false premise?

Yes.

and

The claim is that majority voting for something, means it should become a law, or in a case of removing an entire groups freedom, is even relevant to it.

[Phatscotty]

Fitz, it's not the majority voting for "something", it's gay marriage. Concerning the issue at hand, it is the law that the states have the right to decide (nothing to do with what I think). Are you aware of this? because it seems like you aren't.

What freedoms are being removed????? This sounds like your bias here, reshaping the issue about redefining marriage.

[AAFitz]

There have been a lot of big fat lies being spread around lately, thought I would share some facts.


Following is a list of each state that has voted on the issue of defining marriage as a union between man and woman. Passage of the various proposals has come by an average margin of 67-33 percent. To date, every state that has voted on the issue has affirmed the traditional definition of marriage being between a man and a woman.

It's pretty simple to see what the majority is. How have the people telling the lies that the majority of people support gay marriage been able to get away with it so long? Why have they been lying? What else are they lying about?

Do indeed share some facts.

Who is spreading big fat lies around lately?
Who are the people telling the lies that the majority of people support gay marriage who are supposedly getting away with it for so long?
Who is the they you ask why they have been lying?
And who are those you speculate must be lying about other things?

Those would be some interesting facts that might even make this a useful conversation, and not just some usual and distinctive trolling.

Sure, its easy to just skip over that part, but in general, thats pretty much the same thing you are accusing those "they" of doing.

[AAFitz]

Fitz, it's not the majority voting for "something", it's gay marriage. Concerning the issue at hand, it is the law that the states have the right to decide (nothing to do with what I think). Are you aware of this? because it seems like you aren't.

What freedoms are being removed????? This sounds like your bias here, reshaping the issue about redefining marriage.

No, its not gay marriage, its marriage.

The same way it was not inter-racial marriage people were voting against, but marriage itself. They are simply making laws to deny that freedom, to certain groups of people.

You are the one that is unaware, and completely oblivious as were the idiots in the past that tried to stop african americans from marrying white Americans not so long ago.

They too were oblivious, and a cancer to the true meaning of being an american, and also hid behind their God, and Flag and by doing so, pissed on the actual meaning of both.

I love looking at the pictures of those fools holding their signs being so self-righteous arguing to strip freedom from other groups of humans, knowing all alive now, that have any true soul worthy of calling it a soul, are absolutely disgusted with themselves...

History is right there waiting for you to learn from her....all you have to do is actually think man....

[Phatscotty]

There have been a lot of big fat lies being spread around lately, thought I would share some facts.


Following is a list of each state that has voted on the issue of defining marriage as a union between man and woman. Passage of the various proposals has come by an average margin of 67-33 percent. To date, every state that has voted on the issue has affirmed the traditional definition of marriage being between a man and a woman.

It's pretty simple to see what the majority is. How have the people telling the lies that the majority of people support gay marriage been able to get away with it so long? Why have they been lying? What else are they lying about?

Do indeed share some facts.

Who is spreading big fat lies around lately?
Who are the people telling the lies that the majority of people support gay marriage who are supposedly getting away with it for so long?
Who is the they you ask why they have been lying?
And who are those you speculate must be lying about other things?

Those would be some interesting facts that might even make this a useful conversation, and not just some usual and distinctive trolling.

Sure, its easy to just skip over that part, but in general, thats pretty much the same thing you are accusing those "they" of doing.

There is nothing to skip. This post exists on page one of this very thread......

And that poll was done by the NY times. So that is 2 people suggesting the "majority" take here in this thread. But also many in the media have made the majority statement, as well as some people here. The reason they have been lying is obvious. Because people who want to redefine marriage have an agenda to convince other people to vote against traditional marriage.

I don't "speculate" that liars lie about other things. I am aware that liars lie, especially the media and politicians.

And all you have to do is stop trying to compare race to sexual preference. I advise you also to think about and realize those are 2 separate issues. Marriage being between one man and one woman does not change based on the color of people's skin. It's still one man and one woman. The fact that some people in some states opposed interracial marriage has nothing to do with a man marrying a man or a woman marrying a woman. You can only make that analogy if you perversely see the issue as a civil rights issue, which it isn't.

This is an ecclesiastical issue, and the only reason we can even have the debate in the first place is because the government got involved with licensing and handing out benefits. That does not automatically mean it was right for the government to take over the issue of marriage, and change the definition from what it has been since the beginning of Monogamy.

[Symmetry]

There have been a lot of big fat lies being spread around lately, thought I would share some facts.


Following is a list of each state that has voted on the issue of defining marriage as a union between man and woman. Passage of the various proposals has come by an average margin of 67-33 percent. To date, every state that has voted on the issue has affirmed the traditional definition of marriage being between a man and a woman.

It's pretty simple to see what the majority is. How have the people telling the lies that the majority of people support gay marriage been able to get away with it so long? Why have they been lying? What else are they lying about?

Do indeed share some facts.

Who is spreading big fat lies around lately?
Who are the people telling the lies that the majority of people support gay marriage who are supposedly getting away with it for so long?
Who is the they you ask why they have been lying?
And who are those you speculate must be lying about other things?

Those would be some interesting facts that might even make this a useful conversation, and not just some usual and distinctive trolling.

Sure, its easy to just skip over that part, but in general, thats pretty much the same thing you are accusing those "they" of doing.

There is nothing to skip. This post exists on page one of this very thread......

And that poll was done by the NY times. So that is 2 people suggesting the "majority" take here in this thread. But also many in the media have made the majority statement, as well as some people here. The reason they have been lying is obvious. Because people who want to redefine marriage have an agenda to convince other people to vote against traditional marriage.

I don't "speculate" that liars lie about other things. I am aware that liars lie, especially the media and politicians.

And all you have to do is stop trying to compare race to sexual preference. I advise you also to think about and realize those are 2 separate issues. Marriage being between one man and one woman does not change based on the color of people's skin. It's still one man and one woman. The fact that some people in some states opposed interracial marriage has nothing to do with a man marrying a man or a woman marrying a woman. You can only make that analogy if you perversely see the issue as a civil rights issue, which it isn't.

This is an ecclesiastical issue, and the only reason we can even have the debate in the first place is because the government got involved with licensing and handing out benefits. That does not automatically mean it was right for the government to take over the issue of marriage, and change the definition from what it has been since the beginning of Monogamy.

Ecclesiastical how? And which church?

[AAFitz]

And all you have to do is stop trying to compare race to sexual preference.

All you have to do is stop trying to rationalize taking away unalienable rights to groups of people for any reason, which was the basis of our entire country and the principle of actual freedom is by definition.

I also included voting against women's right to vote. Race was irrelevant in that issue. In that debate, people just like you tried to argue that it women did not have the same rights because of their sex.

Im sure their arguments were very sincere and they got lots of votes. For a long time the Majority of Americans supported it.
Perhaps you disagree, but at no time was it fair, or right, only the powerful, keeping the power away from the weak, and completely un-American as we know the term to its core.

I do have no doubt however, that you'd have found a way to argue against them voting too, which of course is fine. I very much support that freedom as well.

So, in the past, we have kept the rights of Americans from being free and being slaves based on their race
we have kept the rights of Americans from being able to vote based on their race
we have kept the rights of Americans from being able to marry based on their race
we have kept the rights of Americans from being able to vote because of their sex
and you agree, all of those were a mistake, and that even though the majority may have voted for those laws....they were inherently wrong...if not, feel free to disagree with that...
but now, you suggest we can keep the rights of Americans from being able to marry because of their sex, and you see no parallels whatsoever in our history that would suggest this is a complete mistake whatsoever?

Again, you are free to believe that, but in my opinion, not free to take those rights away, nor are any Americans, regardless of their number of votes on the subject.

Further, no other right can be taken from this group, just the one. Because it would be wrong to take other rights from this group, but there is one right they are not entitled to, because enough of us don't want them to have it.

That phatty is what you are very much saying, and why you are simply, completely, and obviously 100% wrong, always have been, and always will be, and History, as it always done, will prove it to you.

[Phatscotty]

And all you have to do is stop trying to compare race to sexual preference.

All you have to do is stop trying to rationalize taking away unalienable rights to groups of people for any reason, which was the basis of our entire country and the principle of actual freedom is by definition.

Unalienable rights?

SOURCE?

Let's find out once and for all who is full of shit

p.s. Unalieanable rights are unalieanable because they come from God. You are saying God gave homosexuals the right to get married...... Anyone who thinks they are qualified enough to speak about the principle of freedom should know that, and if they don't, they are just completely full of shit and trying to push an agenda. You asked earlier which people were telling big fat lies, well there is another name to add to that list. AAFitz

p.s.s. Unalienable rights CANNOT be taken away. So it's clear you don't even know what unalienable means. you...are....totally....full...of...shit

[AAFitz]

And all you have to do is stop trying to compare race to sexual preference.

All you have to do is stop trying to rationalize taking away unalienable rights to groups of people for any reason, which was the basis of our entire country and the principle of actual freedom is by definition.

Unalienable rights?

SOURCE?

Let's find out once and for all who is full of shit

p.s. Unalieanable rights are unalieanable because they come from God. You are saying God gave homosexuals the right to get married...... Anyone who thinks they are qualified enough to speak about the principle of freedom should know that, and if they don't, they are just completely full of shit and trying to push an agenda. You asked earlier which people were telling big fat lies, well there is another name to add to that list. AAFitz

p.s.s. Unalienable rights CANNOT be taken away. So it's clear you don't even know what unalienable means. you...are....totally....full...of...shit

Well first of all. By posting that unalienable rights cannot be taken away, you actually back up the rights of people to marry regardless of their sex, so its nice to see you switched sides so quickly.


pss... as explained before. The rights of humans were taken away. They were made slaves. They were very much unalienable rights in that they should not, and can not rightfully be taken away. Those rights were taken away nonetheless, and even your limited idea of a God could not possibly have condoned it.

Unalienable rights are taken away wrongly and have been since the constitution was written, but we fight to give them those rights and protect our own while you fight so very hard to suppress them at every chance, since they were granted by our founding fathers. Every example I gave was an example of the majority and the government taking away those unalienable rights.

While your version of unalienable is based on your belief of your God, my definition of unalienable is based on a belief on a power that is beyond your definition of some specific God, and is that of Good and Right. Since as you said, there is zero proof of any God, I think suggesting God could not have granted the right of two humans to marry each other, is quite bold, to the point...of stretching the truth some would say....

So sir, you may want to consider adding yourself to that list instead, because suggesting that unalienable rights cannot, and never have been taken away, even for you....is nothing but a lie...and not a very good one.

Nice try though. I don't even blame you for losing your temper here. You are completely in a corner and what else were you going to do really....concede the obvious truth.