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Re: HP: fight for freedom. Day 7: The chase begins again (10

Postby chapcrap on Wed May 23, 2012 10:02 pm

There are so many wolves.

It's crazy how many people are jumping all over and not even thinking about what I'm saying. So what if I didn't go back and edit my post before submitting. I did that on purpose, not out of laziness. I wanted you to see that I just realized I didn't have a kill power.

I don't understand why I'm not being believed to be honest. I mean, if I was lying about all of this, why would I even correct the fact that I had an NK? And if I was lying, why would I say that I had an NK to begin with? If I was fake claiming JOAT, I would fake claim with 3 night actions, and none of them would be a kill. It's much easier to fake claim without a kill. And, if I still have a roleblock left (waiting to hear back from freezie on this), then why don't you just have me roleblock someone to prove it?

I'm pretty sure I already have the strongest claim left in this game, so I understand why the scum members are pushing for a lynch, I just don't understand the townies on the wagon.

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Re: HP: fight for freedom. Day 7: The chase begins again (10

Postby strike wolf on Wed May 23, 2012 10:08 pm

Well I was going to weigh in on this but Freeze has corrected me. apparently my results are just Wizard or non Wizard.
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Re: HP: fight for freedom. Day 7: The chase begins again (10

Postby chapcrap on Wed May 23, 2012 10:09 pm

Update: I still have a roleblock ability and freezie says that the results I could have gotten were Wizard or Non-Wizard... So, sounds like strike is up to something. And it sounds like IB is mafia to me.

Another PM sent to clarify my retardedness of sending in a night action that I didn't have.
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Re: HP: fight for freedom. Day 7: The chase begins again (10

Postby chapcrap on Wed May 23, 2012 10:10 pm

chapcrap wrote:Update: I still have a roleblock ability and freezie says that the results I could have gotten were Wizard or Non-Wizard... So, sounds like strike is up to something. And it sounds like IB is mafia to me.

Another PM sent to clarify my retardedness of sending in a night action that I didn't have.

Got FASTPOSTED by strike with this one.
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Re: HP: fight for freedom. Night 6. One has fallen.(11/18)

Postby Nebuchadnezer on Wed May 23, 2012 10:14 pm

freezie wrote:The deatheaters ran, screamed and tried to seek cover. Hogwart was once again the sole fortress of the wizards and the Tomb of the Dark Lord. Wizards knew they could sleep tightly tonight, it would take time for the deatheaters to regroup. For the first night in so many, wizards slept carelessly. Evidently, it was too soon to let their guards down, and what had to happen happened. A wizard's corpse was found in the morning....

Or not. A wizard robe layed there, probably dropped hours ago. The chase begun again.



No deaths. No deadline. Day 7 has started. With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.


Oh, shit....did Voldemort come back into someone else? That would nullify everything up to this point. Dammit, now I'm talking myself into circles...but the flavor suggests it. The only player with an "unknown" role is DJ...and Ginny Weasley was used by Voldemort in one of the books to kill. Am I taking this too far? Am I looking to hard for something that isn't there?
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Re: HP: fight for freedom. Day 7: The chase begins again (10

Postby freezie on Wed May 23, 2012 10:14 pm

Vote count:

Everywhere(1): Nebuchadnezer

Alt(1): DJfireside

Tails(1): Chapcrap

Chapcrap(3): McHammer, Everywhere, Iron Butterfly

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to Lynch.

If you got any questions, feel free to ask.
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Re: HP: fight for freedom. Day 7: The chase begins again (10

Postby chapcrap on Wed May 23, 2012 10:19 pm

Ok, so with further clarification, I did send a kill action on night 2. Freezie just disregarded it.

Also, I learned that freezie didn't get my night action for last night. So, Tails is off the hook and I still have a roleblock and a protection ability left. That being said, I think the fact that results are either wizard or non-wizard is very telling. So, I don't believe IB. unvote vote IB
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Re: HP: fight for freedom. Day 7: The chase begins again (10

Postby spiesr on Wed May 23, 2012 10:20 pm

chapcrap wrote:Ok, so with further clarification, I did send a kill action on night 2. Freezie just disregarded it.

Also, I learned that freezie didn't get my night action for last night. So, Tails is off the hook and I still have a roleblock and a protection ability left. That being said, I think the fact that results are either wizard or non-wizard is very telling. So, I don't believe IB. unvote vote IB
Didn't get it? As in you didn't actually send it in, or he lost it or something? All this screwy actions are muddying the water to the point where we may have have some trouble finding our way back to the surface...
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Re: HP: fight for freedom. Day 7: The chase begins again (10

Postby strike wolf on Wed May 23, 2012 10:24 pm

As far as chap v tails I'm starting to think they are both town to be honest.. getting One town lymched does not add up to good strategy. if he is mafia,, it isn't a good ratio to trade One town for Oceania. his result pretty much aligns with my possible results. if he was survivor why lie about something that would get him killed. if he's the recruiter One dead town is useless to him. he has to look for remaining mafia to achieve his win condition . tails could somewhat more reasonably lying but something my gut believes him to be town.

I am going to voteIron butterfly for the non Wizard result for now even though i have a feeling this isn't going to be resolved without tails or chap dying...
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Re: HP: fight for freedom. Day 7: The chase begins again (10

Postby chapcrap on Wed May 23, 2012 10:32 pm

I think he must have not gotten it or missed it or something, because I'm pretty sure that I sent it. But, it was so long ago and I send so many messages, that it's not in my sent messages anymore.

And I mostly agree with what strike said at this point. All except for the autocorrects his phone is doing. He needs to get that figured out.
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Re: HP: fight for freedom. Day 7: The chase begins again (10

Postby spiesr on Wed May 23, 2012 10:38 pm

chapcrap wrote:And I mostly agree with what strike said at this point. All except for the autocorrects his phone is doing. He needs to get that figured out.
Are you not willing to trade one town for Oceania?
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Re: HP: fight for freedom. Day 4. A calm night. (14/18)

Postby strike wolf on Wed May 23, 2012 10:39 pm

Iron Butterfly wrote:Spiesr...to answer your question..."Your investigation reveals a Deatheater" That is the complete response. There was no written positive or negative if that is what you are asking.

DJ... I targeted Dazza to try and kill him as Voldemort using my night action.

Says death eater not non town so not sure how much that counts for. what I fail to understand is how my phone recognized mafia once but called it Oceania the second..i mean I meant Oceania as a risk reference. its not worth blank armies to conquer Oceania.
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Re: HP: fight for freedom. Day 4. A calm night. (14/18)

Postby spiesr on Wed May 23, 2012 10:47 pm

strike wolf wrote:
Iron Butterfly wrote:Spiesr...to answer your question..."Your investigation reveals a Deatheater" That is the complete response. There was no written positive or negative if that is what you are asking.

DJ... I targeted Dazza to try and kill him as Voldemort using my night action.
Says death eater not non town so not sure how much that counts for.
Ah yes, this is where we are left now. Iron Butterfly's claim action result appears to be inconsistent with the sort of results that Strike and Chapcrap are claiming to have available. The flip side, is that his action appears to have been correct nonetheless. So, now to sort out what we think has lead to this.
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Re: HP: fight for freedom. Day 7: The chase begins again (10

Postby Nebuchadnezer on Wed May 23, 2012 10:56 pm

lol...this is a complete ClusterF*ck of night action mishaps. Whatever.

I don't know how to straighten out any of this hot mess. I'm almost tempted to call for a mass claim, and let's just put everything out there.

So, Iron, it appears you are once again under the spotlight as non-wizard...you've done well for town. Are you really a third party?
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Re: HP: fight for freedom. Day 4. A calm night. (14/18)

Postby everywhere116 on Wed May 23, 2012 11:26 pm

spiesr wrote:
strike wolf wrote:
Iron Butterfly wrote:Spiesr...to answer your question..."Your investigation reveals a Deatheater" That is the complete response. There was no written positive or negative if that is what you are asking.

DJ... I targeted Dazza to try and kill him as Voldemort using my night action.
Says death eater not non town so not sure how much that counts for.
Ah yes, this is where we are left now. Iron Butterfly's claim action result appears to be inconsistent with the sort of results that Strike and Chapcrap are claiming to have available. The flip side, is that his action appears to have been correct nonetheless. So, now to sort out what we think has lead to this.

He could have lied. Although with recent events I was convinced that he was town. If I was right all along and he was scum, I swear to Talos....
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Re: HP: fight for freedom. Day 7: The chase begins again (10

Postby Iron Butterfly on Thu May 24, 2012 12:25 am

LOL What the hell did I miss?? so let me get this straight.

Tails and Chap are at odds. One is lieing..hell maybe both BUT they contradict each other. Blatantly in fact.

We are in Day 7. Several of you have been doing Night Actions, several of you have made lists.

Chap makes a major slip up and says he didn't have a night kill but he now has a block. This revelation is made only after he is put on the spot and backed into a corner. I am pissed because from day two the arguments were "I am scum because I lived". Up until Chaps explanation I held my vote. A complete screw up on his part.

NOW he switches it back and says yes he did have a night kill? HOW CAN YOU NOT KNOW YOUR NIGHT ACTIONS????

Now we have players saying they misunderstood the wording or choices for investigative results? My result on Dazza came back Deatheater. The bone of contention seems to be that my wording does not match others?

I am a Centaur. I am a Vigilante for lack of a better word. I hunt Deatheaters. Yeh Yeh Yeh we all hunt deatheaters but I certainly was not confused by my investigation and chased it accordingly.

Now on day 7 people are suddenly discovering they have been playing their NAs wrong and have not fully understood their investigations/choices?

LOL I have been the whipping boy since day two...so whatever.

I will say this...yet again it is extremely interesting as to who is quiet and who is arguing.
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Re: HP: fight for freedom. Day 7: The chase begins again (10

Postby Iron Butterfly on Thu May 24, 2012 12:33 am

As an aside...I will be driving to Maine tomorrow...we will be stopping over in Mass. The Hotel may or may not have a computer...During the weekend I'm not sure what my access will be.

Wedsday I go into the Hospital for a Heart procedure. I will have a stent put in...I should be out Thursday evening if all goes well.

I will try my hardest to post.
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Re: HP: fight for freedom. Day 7: The chase begins again (10

Postby alt1978 on Thu May 24, 2012 2:39 am

Best of wishes to you IB...anything of that nature sounds a little crazy...all the luck in the world to you.

I have been a part of the more quiet faction...but in the back and forth and all of the confusion there are a few things i would like to post.

First, one of the main things that made me suspicious of Strike was the difference (three pronged possibility of outcomes) that didn't seem to be consistent with other results. Working from that suspicion...I kind of built a case against strike and i would like to retract those suspicions at this time. It seems the mod has cleared those up, and it seems like strike's investigations probably hold water.

That being said, my most likely scum target coming into the day...everywhere...also should probably be cleared (via strike's investigation). I can't find any reason to doubt what strike finds...there is the chance he is naive i suppose but that doesn't make any sense to me.

My stance on Tails...
I very much felt like tails and pcm were on two sides of a coin...one town and the other mafia. Unless something has changed (as neb was referring to in freezie's scene) I still feel tails is town.

Chap...
I don't honestly know. His attack on tails was pretty rough but it seems like that has simmered down for the moment.

IB...
There is no denying that he has been instrumental in helping hunt deatheaters. He was invaluable in the voldermort and busdriver lynches. My question the more we get into the game is with him being third party...is he only a hunter of deatheaters. The centaurs seemed like they would be an ideal flavor fit for a survivor...one that would benefit from a transcendentalist leave me alone sort of ending. The centaurs didn't like deatheaters, but they weren't crazy about wizards really either.
I understand how useless flavor like stuff is...particularly in this game...but for me in this day...something didn't sit right about IB going after Neb earlier. Neb has been solidly pro-town the whole way. IB was doing some serious seed planting on Neb...
What if IB knew that Everywere was under suspicion...knew that he would turn up town...and then could try and pin that on Neb who was leading the case on everywhere early on the next day.

If IB is town...and has no reservations about strike and his character and abilities...why build a case against neb who has been cleared not once but twice by the auror.

In summary...IB has clearly been on a rampage against the deatheaters. I just don't see where his character and actions imply that for the duration...from here to the end-game...that his actions are guaranteed to always put town's best interest at heart.

FoS at IB...but I would like to hear from him and what he has to say before casting a vote.
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Re: HP: fight for freedom. Day 7: The chase begins again (10

Postby Iron Butterfly on Thu May 24, 2012 6:43 am

Alt I can not prove something to you that is unprovable. A player can not prove their future intentions. All they have as evidence is their record up till the time they are judged.

You bring up my case against Neb, which really wasn't a case as it was on calling someone out on what I consider suspicious behavior. You ask why I didn't trust Wolfs investigation. When I called out Neb, Wolfs list was not in my head. I reacted to Neb on him calling me a VT and the appearance of throwing under the bus.

Even if I had, several questions have been raised about his role and the validity of his investigations.

The simple fact is I really trust no one or to rephrase I find several folks scummier then others.

The only evidence people have in their argument against me is that I am not a wizard. I am a Centaur. I can WIFOM all I want about why Freezie added this role. My belief is I am here to sow second guessing and confusion in the same way a naive cop or Doc would. We have certainly have not had a shortage of WIFOM treated as fact so thats my two cents.

I am still waiting to hear how Tails says one thing and Chap says another. Chap completely screws up and folks suddenly bring up PMs from Freezie on clarifications on wording, which has somehow put the focus back on me.

Wolf says he thinks its possible both Chap and Tails are Town. I want him to explain how he believes that when Tails said he got nothing with his Watch Night Action on him and Chap calls Tails an out and out liar because his tracking Night action completely contradicts Tails assertion.
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Re: HP: fight for freedom. Day 7: The chase begins again (10

Postby chapcrap on Thu May 24, 2012 9:36 am

Iron Butterfly wrote:I am pissed because from day two the arguments were "I am scum because I lived". Up until Chaps explanation I held my vote. A complete screw up on his part.

I would be mad too if I was caught. However, my argument wasn't that you were scum because you lived, it was that you were scum because of my investigation. The fact that you lived led me to different conclusions. However, regardless of the messed up non-kill, I had the night one investigation.

And, you can't say that Tails and I are at odds anymore. Because we aren't. I already said that freezie didn't get my night action, so I no longer think that Tails is lying.
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Re: HP: fight for freedom. Day 7: The chase begins again (10

Postby freezie on Thu May 24, 2012 9:56 am

Alright, Time stop.

Yes I may have done mistakes in the past as a mod, and certainly I have done a few mistakes here, the nature of them I shall reveal only after endgame.

But right now, it seems you are all playing what could be true or not about what mistake I could or couldn't have done.

So I'll say this: Keep playing the game, as you should. if ANYONE has ANY question that I can PUBLICLY answer, I shall.

It seems there is confusion about What is a wizard and what is a Deatheater in this game. I can already say I can not discuss possible cop outcome publicly, nor deny or confirm anyone has said about it is right. But if this confuses too many people, I can possibly gives detailed information about what is what.

I'll go crawl back in my dishonor hole now if you don't mind.
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Re: HP: fight for freedom. Day 7: The chase begins again (10

Postby Nebuchadnezer on Thu May 24, 2012 11:16 am

Well that was...odd?

Anyway, here's what I think I can live with.

1. We lynch Chapcrap. Sorry, dude. Your play has been horrendous. You have too many holes in your night actions, and you haven't made one accusation that was actually correct. You seem to fall back on "I have the strongest claim in the game, I must be town!" too often. You don't have the strongest claim. Jonty did. He's dead, and I still know there have to be at least two players that will have stronger claims. Your claim is fine by itself, but you have played for crap. I can't ignore your play in favor of your claim. I'd rather lynch you today than risk you muddying up the waters again. If you turn town, then I'll be really upset at your play.

2. During the night, I would suspect that DJ is mafia. Our power roles should target him. It's only a hunch I have, so I can't go for a lynch, and I hate going on flavor, but I'm suspecting he's the new Voldemort...perhaps as a Tom Riddle version, or something.

3. The problem we then encounter is if Chap comes up town, what do we do? The only choice we leave ourselves is to lynch Iron Butterfly, based on Chap's investigation. I don't like that option...but it's what we corner ourselves with. This also leaves the possibility that mafia skates for two days, and we're down to 6 players left...unless tonight's actions reveal anything.

Thoughts please. I'd like to talk this out rather than throwing votes around.
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Re: HP: fight for freedom. Day 7: The chase begins again (10

Postby Iron Butterfly on Thu May 24, 2012 1:19 pm

chapcrap wrote:
Iron Butterfly wrote:I am pissed because from day two the arguments were "I am scum because I lived". Up until Chaps explanation I held my vote. A complete screw up on his part.

I would be mad too if I was caught. However, my argument wasn't that you were scum because you lived, it was that you were scum because of my investigation. The fact that you lived led me to different conclusions. However, regardless of the messed up non-kill, I had the night one investigation.

And, you can't say that Tails and I are at odds anymore. Because we aren't. I already said that freezie didn't get my night action, so I no longer think that Tails is lying.


Why would you say Tails is lieing if a Night action was not sent in and you received no result? In fact you were so sure you called him a liar from his past mistake. You had to receive something from Freezie. You also are so ambivalent about what your "so called" night actions on players that we cant determine what you did when you visited. Its like you wrote it with loopholes designed to give you wiggle room.

Freezie makes a post, which to me suggests that folks are using him as an excuse for results, misunderstandings and foulups to explain their own incompetence. I find that post extremely telling.

Lets summarize what you have done.

1)You accuse Tails of lieing because your night action did not...what? We really don't know what you did. You imply you tracked. You were so sure you ripped Tails apart.

2) You say you made a mistake and really didn't try to night kill me as you don't have a kill, But you can now block. You seem to blame Freezie in a roundabout way for the messup.

3) You act surprised and righteous when people call you on this crap.

4) Now you once again say you really did have a night kill action, how do you NOT know you role???

5) To top this off you now say you forgot to send your Night action in to freezie or he didnt receive it? That isn't really clear either. If you forgot to do it why would you go so hard against Tails? How did you determine Freezie did not receive your night action?

6) you still point fingers at others who dare question and vote you guilty?

You say I am scum but your investigation said, "Not a wizard". That does not mean scum. In fact this whole notion of people changing the wording of the investigation strikes me as odd.

With Wolf and Chap something occurred to me today. They can get the result of Wizard or Non-wizard now to determine who is Mafia and Town.

By those choices Voldemort would be a wizard as would Bellatrix.

Serius Snapes turned out to be third party. I am still not entirely sure of what his role was but I assume it was to harm other wizards or at least James Potter. He would be considered a wizard as well.

I am a Centaur. I am not a wizard.

What good are the investigative powers of these guys if they cant reliably determine who the good guys and bad guys are? It just does not make sense. I got Deatheater in my investigation of Dazza. Let me WIFOM as to the possible reason. I am a centaur whose main action is the ability to kill deatheaters IF I know their name. I was given two investigative attempts to find them. I can not tell you what my result would look like if I targeted a non deatheater with my investigation.

People get lynched for doing a hundred times less then what Chap has done. His yes i did, no I didn't, I'm really not sure defense is ludicrous and people seem to except it?
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Re: HP: fight for freedom. Day 7: The chase begins again (10

Postby TA1LGUNN3R on Thu May 24, 2012 2:28 pm

Iron Butterfly wrote:Why would you say Tails is lieing if a Night action was not sent in and you received no result?


He claimed a doctor protect; he wouldn't receive any notices.

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Re: HP: fight for freedom. Day 7: The chase begins again (10

Postby Iron Butterfly on Thu May 24, 2012 2:40 pm

chapcrap wrote:Ok, so with further clarification, I did send a kill action on night 2. Freezie just disregarded it.

Also, I learned that freezie didn't get my night action for last night. So, Tails is off the hook and I still have a roleblock and a protection ability left. That being said, I think the fact that results are either wizard or non-wizard is very telling. So, I don't believe IB. unvote vote IB


He sent in nothing Tails.

As a Joat How can you NOT know the abilities you have?
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