Matrix Mafia Endgame, Town and Survivors win!

[ghostly447]

Well I'd be hypocritical to stay on Clever now given the VT claim. And Edoc, I'm so used to your trickster ways that I'm ultra careful now! But to be fair I can't realistically vote for Vodean either. I agree that some of Vodean's posts were a bit weird, but that was explained and there was a power of information to get through. I go back to my epic post on page 68 and I still see some clear patterns. But it's still early days and I believe they will mean more as the days go on. Frankly nothing much has happened today yet, at least nothing to take away from my epic post.

Anyway, Ghostly has finally bunged in a vote. Mid-Clever case and somewhat contradictory in the language employed. That is to say, it doesn't seem that Ghostly really had his heart in the vote. It looks a lot like he read my epic post and realised he'd better do something or he won't get away with submarining much longer. Well, frankly I want to know more about you ghostly!! So, to start the pressure ... unvote vote Ghostly

Okay buddy. I am going to address this after another point I have to make.

For all the people voting vodean because of FOSing 8-10 players, saying they cant all be mafia, SCREW YOUR REASONING. I come into several games and do that (View the PKMN game, and a couple others). If something scummy happens, I address it while catching up. I could have 10 players on a list of 16 with tallies on how many times they appeared scummy if I REALLY wanted to get into it. This case sucks worse than that other case on some random guy named Clever who you somehow skipped over just because its a beleivable VT claim. I dont think I have ever been in a game where we skipped over these VT claims so fast. The group I knew would have been more willing to lynch a VT claim than almost anything, especially one that is constantly shouting "IM TOWN, IM TOWN!!!".

Now, getting to hippo. I am scummy for becoming more active, and somehow confusing you with my words. Your epic post? I cant even tell which one you are referring to as epic. See PKMN mafia, and search my name, if you want to see a few epics. Submarining is a strong term for inactivity due to life in my opinion, and I would rather you not try to pin me with submarining when it is actually just the fact that I have too much on my plate in RL at times. So, with that said, I am not ready to move on from Clever qutie yet. I will have to go back and get a case, but I will do that when I get time. I just want to make it very clear that normally he is actually LESS ACTIVE as a power role because he seems to attempt to stay clear of getting NK'ed, and he is more active as mafia or VT. He is all over the place, but that is an outline of his play to some extent. So the VT claim almost checks, but it could be a fake claim as well, for what I suspect to be mafia.

Fasposted by vodean. Thanks for reminding me!
FOS Deadly for attempting to throw on pressure (on what seems will be our BW of the day)

[vodean]

ok, im not saying that they are all mafia. that would be ridiculous. at one point or another, you also bw'ed on them. that is the result of posting day 1 observations day 3... at this point im just saying that it seems a little scummy.

i DO think that it is worth lynching clever. if i am wrong, we leave hippo and co. alone, and move on (perhaps back to jack and doom), or perhaps on to IB, leehar, chuck, and edoc, who seem normal most of the time, but with the occasional scummy post.
that is 8 people, 1/3rd. its an appropriate ratio (the max, but appropriate). i dont think that they are ALL mafia. just that at least one group among them are, which brings the ratio down. yes. i did FOS others, but that was for one or two posts.

like i've been saying the whole while, lynch me if you want, but listen to what i've said in the following days.
Also, no one has counter-claimed, so my claim is quite possible, and its a fairly major character

why are you so hellbent on killing me. i am a claimed VT. i mean seriously i know VT are kinda pointless at night. but look at my post during the days i have contributed more than alot of people. if your gonna lynch a vt then look at the others. there are more than me to lynch. i am useful to town. when i am a power role i dont do much but when a vt i use the only power i got. thats speaking and contributing. and i have been doing that. more than other people anyway.

to the last paragraph. can i use that defense as well? i claimed and wasnt counterclaimed. im starting to doubt you being town. if you do die i hope noone looks into anything you said cause its all illogical and irrational.

whos being illogical and irrational now? you are just saying that cuz you dont want anyone to vote you and find all of your scumbuddies. some of the things i said are wrong. i know that. everyone knows that. but many of the things i said are right, too.

[pmchugh]

I think vodean is scum...

I don't like her cases, she has SOME good things to say, but there's a lot I disagree with. And as others said, she can't just rant and rave that half the game is scum without getting the spotlight turned back on her.

One major thing that keeps bothering me is the name claim. Her claim is the ONLY one that has not fit the pattern yet. I think its definitely worth exploring. And she claimed early with no pressure which doesn't make sense

The only reason I am not voting is that she must have spent hours and hours catching up on this game. If we cannot find a better case, I am not going to have much of a choice.

Oh look the mafia showed up to pressure the case of the day, but not vote. Voting makes you appear on VC's.. best stay under the radar until you're sure we can get a lynch.

how would you know that the mafia showed up to pressure, but not vote? FOS pmc... unless im misunderstanding

It was an accusation not a claim of "knowing"

[jonty125]

I'm unsure on The Kid Claim. After reading the wiki he seems a bit major for a VT. And I disagree with Doom for calling all the VT's to claim.

[edocsil]

For all the people voting vodean because of FOSing 8-10 players, saying they cant all be mafia, SCREW YOUR REASONING. I come into several games and do that (View the PKMN game, and a couple others). If something scummy happens, I address it while catching up. I could have 10 players on a list of 16 with tallies on how many times they appeared scummy if I REALLY wanted to get into it. This case sucks worse than that other case on some random guy named Clever who you somehow skipped over just because its a beleivable VT claim. I dont think I have ever been in a game where we skipped over these VT claims so fast. The group I knew would have been more willing to lynch a VT claim than almost anything, especially one that is constantly shouting "IM TOWN, IM TOWN!!!".

An FOS is one thing drawing parallels as to who the entire scum network is, is a whole other situation. The thigh is by his logic of picking 1/3 of the players and saying they are worth lynching, and then justifying it by saying "well at least one of them is scum..." is preposterous. Of course one of them is scum. You would have to be actively avoiding picking scum to NOT have a scum in a random pick of 8

True, there is definitely something strange about vodeans magical psychic powers that needs explaining, but if you can explain to me why that is a mafia tell and not just a weird play then I will gladly vote vote.

I see it as a scum move because it distracts the town into random wagons against their own for little purpose. If left unchecked he will force a multitude of claims leaving the power roles exposed. As it is the town are in a precarious position, Neo, Trinity, Seraph, the Oracle, there are really only a few players they could be from where I see things. If they die to Smith we could have some serious issues. We don't have time to waste on frivolous cases. By my count there are 11 town remaining (assumes Merovingian faction, see matrix 1) ~4 claimed vt's. In a very short period of time town could lose a large majority of it's power, and here we sit chasing after cases like clever's.

[soundman]

hey guys got swamped at school and RL but i have a few minutes now
ok i found it lol im The Kid- Vanilla Townie. and i have a request from everyone. i have a feeling when i put this up that i will get killed cause im a VT but i have been contributing alot more than others and if anyone can make a list of all things against me so i can defend instead of having to look at the last ten pages please and thank you.

Can someone enlighten me on 'the kid'.. I've seen 2 matrix movies (first and either the second or third one) and I've never heard of this character.

Also, how many VT's are we going to have?

In the last game I was in where Saf was the mod there were a lot of VTs. So I'm not very surprised at the number so far. I am surprised that all the claims so far have been VT. I would have thought that we would have hit a power role by now. So it makes me think that we may have let a mafia get through.

On my phone holding a baby so I can't really comment on anything til later but here is a link to the matrix wiki for the kid

http://matrix.wikia.com/wiki/Kid

That doesn't sound like a VT to me... Though I would have thought that Commander Locke wouldn't have been VT either. I would like to hear others thoughts on this claim.

[edocsil]

That doesn't sound like a VT to me... Though I would have thought that Commander Locke wouldn't have been VT either. I would like to hear others thoughts on this claim.

He was a ammo runner and a plot filler mostly. I could have seen him as a backup vig I suppose, but I wouldn't have slotted him for a power role.

[betiko]

Ok, a little recap please.

dead:
cowboyz - Captain Mifune, Town Vigilante
freezie - Morpheus, Town Watcher
Eldario - Commander Locke, Vanilla Townie
skillfusniper33 - Link, Vanilla Townie

claimed:
Nebuchadnezer - Tank, Vanilla Townie
thehippo8 - Zee, Vanilla Townie
dazza2008/vodean - Mouse, Vanilla Townie
Roussallier/Some7hingClever - The kid, Vanilla Townie

jak111 -?, town mason
DoomYoshi -?, town mason


unknown:

Iron Butterfly
MoB Deadly
crazymilkshake5/LSU Tiger Josh/unreplaced
Leehar
betiko
SPARTACUS1974/pmchugh
Djfireside
jonty125
everywhere116
shieldgenerator7
thechuck51
ghostly447
soundman

That's 6VTs. some might not agree with me, but looking at the proportions of VTs in other games done by saf, the VT count could go up to 9, but since there is most probably a 3rd party faction and a serial killer, 9 would seem way too much, so I'd say 9 seems way too much. I'd think between 6-9 VTs. Now I don't believe we were "so lucky" to find a VT each time we were pressuring someone. Out of the 4 VT claims still out there, there must be one of them not saying the truth.
What do you guys think of doom's idea to ask all vt's to claim? the problem is that it would help greatly for scum night kills, even if it would be a huge help for our day scum hunts..

Vodean, please explain me the rush to kill clever. Is there a deadline, a reason to rush and kill him? Also, please elaborate your argument. If you are a VT, what the hell do you know about what is going on? why would your suspicions would be to consider as factual in case we lynch you? Also, which are our guidelines in case we lynch you, as you have accused half of the players here?

fastposed a couple of times

[safariguy5]

Vote Count

clever(6)- leehar, dj, vodean, ghostly, everywhere, soundman
hippo(1)- jonty
betiko(1)- everywhere
pmc(1)- doom
vodean(5)- edoc, jak, chuck, clever, betiko
ghostly(1)- hippo

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

[Iron Butterfly]

Case on vodean is bad on principle. Don't lynch someone the first day they get back after catching up.

I want all VTs to claim now. We don't want any chance of mafia hiding behind that claim. Any VT not claimed by tonight I will lynch when they try that claim.

No one questions this? This would solve nothing and is impossible to enforce.

In essence he is asking Power roles to expose themselves. This will either get them killed or force them to false claim so they are not killed. If this does happen Mafia can just false claim VT.

I am also puzzled why Doom and Yoshi have claimed mason but wont give their names. Giving their names wont change them as masons if they are telling the truth.

To ask all Vts to claim or be lynched while refusing to reveal their names really raises red flags. Vote Doom Yooshi. He insists Vts be lynched if they don't claim now, which would expose Town power roles or at least narrow the pool down.

[jak111]

Case on vodean is bad on principle. Don't lynch someone the first day they get back after catching up.

I want all VTs to claim now. We don't want any chance of mafia hiding behind that claim. Any VT not claimed by tonight I will lynch when they try that claim.

No one questions this? This would solve nothing and is impossible to enforce.

In essence he is asking Power roles to expose themselves. This will either get them killed or force them to false claim so they are not killed. If this does happen Mafia can just false claim VT.

I am also puzzled why Doom and Yoshi have claimed mason but wont give their names. Giving their names wont change them as masons if they are telling the truth.

To ask all Vts to claim or be lynched while refusing to reveal their names really raises red flags. Vote Doom Yooshi. He insists Vts be lynched if they don't claim now, which would expose Town power roles or at least narrow the pool down.

Really? Doom and Yoshi? <.< When did DoomYoshi become two people? I can see his logic behind it, however I don't even support everyone who's VT to claim.

Doom has already rejected to give out names, so i will follow his wish, for giving out my name will give out his. Though this I will defy Doom on.. If we make it until tomorrow, I'll bring forth anything we have and names, however, I require a doc or busdriver to trust me for today and help us out. If we can reach tomorrow, I can clear one for sure and perhaps clear another.. <.< (You know who you are if you get the perhaps.. So don't do it).

[vodean]

hey, guess whos voting me? people on my list!!! so this is just OMGUS, not a real case. the leaders? edoc and clever, who along with hippo, who is doing his own thing right now, are my main suspects.

Vodean, please explain me the rush to kill clever. Is there a deadline, a reason to rush and kill him? Also, please elaborate your argument. If you are a VT, what the hell do you know about what is going on? why would your suspicions would be to consider as factual in case we lynch you? Also, which are our guidelines in case we lynch you, as you have accused half of the players here?

there is no rush to kill clever, im just pushing it so we dont move on, since i think this is the strongest case anyone has presented so far. if a better case comes along, im all for it, but for now, im sticking to my guns.

I am a VT. I dont KNOW whats going on. I just see whats in front of me. Clever is scummy, and when people pressure him, edoc and hipppo defend him. that sounds pretty dirty. if, like jak and doom they were to mason-claim, it might alleviate suspicion (although now, with one pair already claimed, it would put pressure on both of them, because one of them would likely be lying, or mafia-masoned ), so lets go with this, our best lead so far.
fastposted x2
If you do lynch me, then kill clever. If he is scum, kill hippo and edoc. if not, push jak and doom some more. then look into Betiko (you), leehar, and chuck.

[vodean]

Case on vodean is bad on principle. Don't lynch someone the first day they get back after catching up.

I want all VTs to claim now. We don't want any chance of mafia hiding behind that claim. Any VT not claimed by tonight I will lynch when they try that claim.

No one questions this? This would solve nothing and is impossible to enforce.

In essence he is asking Power roles to expose themselves. This will either get them killed or force them to false claim so they are not killed. If this does happen Mafia can just false claim VT.

I am also puzzled why Doom and Yoshi have claimed mason but wont give their names. Giving their names wont change them as masons if they are telling the truth.

To ask all Vts to claim or be lynched while refusing to reveal their names really raises red flags. Vote Doom Yooshi. He insists Vts be lynched if they don't claim now, which would expose Town power roles or at least narrow the pool down.

yes, everyone thinks doom looks a little scummy right now, and someone DID call him out for it. but im thinking that they are town, and with this latest post, lets defend them till tomorrow. then we will see, but if things go bad, maybe lets look at it.

sorry for the double post

[Some7hingCLEVER]

hey, guess whos voting me? people on my list!!! so this is just OMGUS, not a real case. the leaders? edoc and clever, who along with hippo, who is doing his own thing right now, are my main suspects.

Vodean, please explain me the rush to kill clever. Is there a deadline, a reason to rush and kill him? Also, please elaborate your argument. If you are a VT, what the hell do you know about what is going on? why would your suspicions would be to consider as factual in case we lynch you? Also, which are our guidelines in case we lynch you, as you have accused half of the players here?

there is no rush to kill clever, im just pushing it so we dont move on, since i think this is the strongest case anyone has presented so far. if a better case comes along, im all for it, but for now, im sticking to my guns.

I am a VT. I dont KNOW whats going on. I just see whats in front of me. Clever is scummy, and when people pressure him, edoc and hipppo defend him. that sounds pretty dirty. if, like jak and doom they were to mason-claim, it might alleviate suspicion (although now, with one pair already claimed, it would put pressure on both of them, because one of them would likely be lying, or mafia-masoned ), so lets go with this, our best lead so far.
fastposted x2
If you do lynch me, then kill clever. If he is scum, kill hippo and edoc. if not, push jak and doom some more. then look into Betiko (you), leehar, and chuck.

omg please tell me what i did that was so scummy and that puts me past everyone else please please please! what i defended a person who i thought was town? if that is scummy then by all means lynch me right now!!

im not scum i know it and there is no way to prove it to you is there? but whatever. if your gonna lynch a vt why not one who is a little less useful and active?

[jak111]

hey, guess whos voting me? people on my list!!! so this is just OMGUS, not a real case. the leaders? edoc and clever, who along with hippo, who is doing his own thing right now, are my main suspects.

Vodean, please explain me the rush to kill clever. Is there a deadline, a reason to rush and kill him? Also, please elaborate your argument. If you are a VT, what the hell do you know about what is going on? why would your suspicions would be to consider as factual in case we lynch you? Also, which are our guidelines in case we lynch you, as you have accused half of the players here?

there is no rush to kill clever, im just pushing it so we dont move on, since i think this is the strongest case anyone has presented so far. if a better case comes along, im all for it, but for now, im sticking to my guns.

I am a VT. I dont KNOW whats going on. I just see whats in front of me. Clever is scummy, and when people pressure him, edoc and hipppo defend him. that sounds pretty dirty. if, like jak and doom they were to mason-claim, it might alleviate suspicion (although now, with one pair already claimed, it would put pressure on both of them, because one of them would likely be lying, or mafia-masoned ), so lets go with this, our best lead so far.
fastposted x2
If you do lynch me, then kill clever. If he is scum, kill hippo and edoc. if not, push jak and doom some more. then look into Betiko (you), leehar, and chuck.

This I am getting tired of Vodean. You keep saying "well this person looks scummy, go for them, if they don`t die scum, go for these, if they die town, go for these" Nice way to seem 'smart' and 'logical'...

[Djfireside]

hey guys got swamped at school and RL but i have a few minutes now
ok i found it lol im The Kid- Vanilla Townie. and i have a request from everyone. i have a feeling when i put this up that i will get killed cause im a VT but i have been contributing alot more than others and if anyone can make a list of all things against me so i can defend instead of having to look at the last ten pages please and thank you.

I can tend to believe that Kid would be around but the thing that I cant shake is the "The". That part just seems to get me and I cant seem to shake it and that a few people have distanced themselves from clever but step up to help when he is in need but that could just be because they believe the claim. I am re-reading vodeans posts but from what I have seen it seems as though they were just mentioning everything they saw, is it all correct? By no means. I do think they have come on strong after reading that many pages and do find some of it fishy. Since they already claimed at that point its do I think they are lying and I cant say that I do just yet mainly based on flavor claim of Mouse despite being matrix'ed.

as for Betiko's statement on the number of VT's I can believe it as Saf is known for it for balance and just the size.

Will finish work and see what else I can offer.

[DoomYoshi]

Ok, so nobody agrees on my VT mass claim. The only problem is that for every VT claim we don't do anything and we just continue with the game. We have, as a town, proven that VT claims go unchallenged. In all likeliness we have a mafia in there now or will.

I have deliberated for quite some time and I don't want to fully claim - but I must. I was hoping we could find agent smith before I claimed. I am hoping I am correct in my intuition that pmc is agent smith. I am Neo.

[jak111]

Ok, so nobody agrees on my VT mass claim. The only problem is that for every VT claim we don't do anything and we just continue with the game. We have, as a town, proven that VT claims go unchallenged. In all likeliness we have a mafia in there now or will.

I have deliberated for quite some time and I don't want to fully claim - but I must. I was hoping we could find agent smith before I claimed. I am hoping I am correct in my intuition that pmc is agent smith. I am Neo.

And I am Trinity... Also I'm the town tracker, so whoever roleblocked me last night can you please refrain from doing so again? I can say Hippo either is VT or didn't do anything N1, so that also shoots down Vodean's HIPPO IS SCUM argument, because I've seen otherwise.

If I can either get a doc or Busdriver on me it'd be great, because Doom has been the target N1 and N2. (the one that got away), I can protect him, but I need protection myself, so if doc or bus does this for us he will be protecting TWO people.

[vodean]

This I am getting tired of Vodean. You keep saying "well this person looks scummy, go for them, if they don`t die scum, go for these, if they die town, go for these" Nice way to seem 'smart' and 'logical'...

wait... are you saying that i look scummy because my argument looks logical and well-presented and thought through? tell me more about how much sense your argument makes

Clever, no. you are not scummy because you defended people. your buddies hippo and edoc are the ones scummy because the consistently defend me. jak defends me sometimes, but then in the next post he goes and attacks me... im not sure what to make of him. if you are VT, im sorry, but you make scummy posts, and in previous days pushed for VT to be killed

fastposted x3

[vodean]

Ok, so nobody agrees on my VT mass claim. The only problem is that for every VT claim we don't do anything and we just continue with the game. We have, as a town, proven that VT claims go unchallenged. In all likeliness we have a mafia in there now or will.

I have deliberated for quite some time and I don't want to fully claim - but I must. I was hoping we could find agent smith before I claimed. I am hoping I am correct in my intuition that pmc is agent smith. I am Neo.

And I am Trinity... Also I'm the town tracker, so whoever roleblocked me last night can you please refrain from doing so again? I can say Hippo either is VT or didn't do anything N1, so that also shoots down Vodean's HIPPO IS SCUM argument, because I've seen otherwise.

If I can either get a doc or Busdriver on me it'd be great, because Doom has been the target N1 and N2. (the one that got away), I can protect him, but I need protection myself, so if doc or bus does this for us he will be protecting TWO people.

oh, well thats interesting.... have you found anything... useful? well... perhaps hippo is mafia, but did not do anything individually?

[pmchugh]

I am Neo.

Shock horror. It was pretty obvious that you guys were claiming that, after I looked into you and you fought me off I would have lynched you for any other claim. Shame that your intuition is off today, any points for me to defend or are you just gonna through out my name and say, I'm Neo bitches and hope they lynch me because of that?

hey, guess whos voting me? people on my list!!! so this is just OMGUS, not a real case. the leaders? edoc and clever, who along with hippo, who is doing his own thing right now, are my main suspects.

Lol the classic, FOS everyone and then claim OMGUS when you get voted. I also love how you change and morph your list every single post. I still think he is town though, he would be taking far too many risks as mafia.

[jak111]

This I am getting tired of Vodean. You keep saying "well this person looks scummy, go for them, if they don`t die scum, go for these, if they die town, go for these" Nice way to seem 'smart' and 'logical'...

wait... are you saying that i look scummy because my argument looks logical and well-presented and thought through? tell me more about how much sense your argument makes

Clever, no. you are not scummy because you defended people. your buddies hippo and edoc are the ones scummy because the consistently defend me. jak defends me sometimes, but then in the next post he goes and attacks me... im not sure what to make of him. if you are VT, im sorry, but you make scummy posts, and in previous days pushed for VT to be killed

fastposted x3

No, it's illogical. You can't pin 6-10 people and claim ONE HAS TO BE MAFIA.. of course most likely one of them are -.- You guess 6-10 different people, hard to not have at least one in there.

Ok, so nobody agrees on my VT mass claim. The only problem is that for every VT claim we don't do anything and we just continue with the game. We have, as a town, proven that VT claims go unchallenged. In all likeliness we have a mafia in there now or will.

I have deliberated for quite some time and I don't want to fully claim - but I must. I was hoping we could find agent smith before I claimed. I am hoping I am correct in my intuition that pmc is agent smith. I am Neo.

And I am Trinity... Also I'm the town tracker, so whoever roleblocked me last night can you please refrain from doing so again? I can say Hippo either is VT or didn't do anything N1, so that also shoots down Vodean's HIPPO IS SCUM argument, because I've seen otherwise.

If I can either get a doc or Busdriver on me it'd be great, because Doom has been the target N1 and N2. (the one that got away), I can protect him, but I need protection myself, so if doc or bus does this for us he will be protecting TWO people.

oh, well thats interesting.... have you found anything... useful? well... perhaps hippo is mafia, but did not do anything individually?

I only had one night of tracking. I said perhaps he didn't do anything.

Two main points you skimmed vodean. Slow down and READ a little.

Fasposted by PMC. He is neo, I can confirm is bud. If you kill him, you kill me. (lovers)

[DoomYoshi]

I am Neo.

Shock horror. It was pretty obvious that you guys were claiming that, after I looked into you and you fought me off I would have lynched you for any other claim. Shame that your intuition is off today, any points for me to defend or are you just gonna through out my name and say, I'm Neo bitches and hope they lynch me because of that?

I am not hoping for a lynch yet; I don't have any proof. But I'm Neo bitches still feels good to say lol.

hey, guess whos voting me? people on my list!!! so this is just OMGUS, not a real case. the leaders? edoc and clever, who along with hippo, who is doing his own thing right now, are my main suspects.

Lol the classic, FOS everyone and then claim OMGUS when you get voted. I also love how you change and morph your list every single post. I still think he is town though, he would be taking far too many risks as mafia.

[thehippo8]

@ Doom & Jak - all I can say is wow! How the hell did scum get onto Neo from day 1? If there is no counter-claims then I'm inclined to believe you both.

Well, IMHO Vodean's writhing and finger-pointing seems to be getting out of hand. If there is a way not to play as a VT then there it is! My pressure on Ghostly got an immediate response, which seems to pass muster (for now) or at least y'all didn't come crashing down on him! So, back I go ... unvote vote Vodean. My main reason for doing so is the repeated attempts to characterise me as attempting to protect Clever. What was that about, I just said that it was hypocritical to continue voting to a VT where their claim is believable and they are not acting scummy. But Vodean, you continue to attack clever for specious and bizarre reasons and that can only be seen as scummy. Sorry, but you've brought this on yourself.

Fastposted by pmc ... no change to my post

[thechuck51]

Ok, so nobody agrees on my VT mass claim. The only problem is that for every VT claim we don't do anything and we just continue with the game. We have, as a town, proven that VT claims go unchallenged. In all likeliness we have a mafia in there now or will.

I have deliberated for quite some time and I don't want to fully claim - but I must. I was hoping we could find agent smith before I claimed. I am hoping I am correct in my intuition that pmc is agent smith. I am Neo.

And I am Trinity... Also I'm the town tracker, so whoever roleblocked me last night can you please refrain from doing so again? I can say Hippo either is VT or didn't do anything N1, so that also shoots down Vodean's HIPPO IS SCUM argument, because I've seen otherwise.

If I can either get a doc or Busdriver on me it'd be great, because Doom has been the target N1 and N2. (the one that got away), I can protect him, but I need protection myself, so if doc or bus does this for us he will be protecting TWO people.

couple things i don't like about your claims...

-are you a tracker or are you a protection role? you are claiming you can do both.

-the one that got away was wearing a white coat. this doesnt fit with neo though.