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Re: Skyrim Mafia Day 2: There Is One They Fear (15/18)

Postby kageryuu on Sat May 26, 2012 10:28 am

crazymilkshake5 wrote:ok, well I'm back, and I am sorry for storming off, I misread xenhu's unvote as a vote. which put me over seeing as that would have put me at L-2.


/ wrote:Unvote, so what now? Jonty and kageryuu have been mentioned, the later just posted after 9 days.

This is false. he posted this on the 25th: (on the same page as /, i do believe. That man needs an avatar, :lol: )

your right, i do need an avatar
crazymilkshake5 wrote:I find this bit interesting. "I am actually surprised CMS doesn't also have a one-shot NK ability by way of the Dark Brotherhood" Is he calling me a SK? surely some other character would be a better character than maven. Sithis or the Night Mother have potential of being in the game, but if anybody was the SK I think it would be either Astrid (Leader of the dark brotherhood that you can kill to destroy the dark brotherhood) or Nazir (One of the members to survive the destroying of the DawnStar Sanctuary.)

So for that, Vote Kager. But i shall refrain from putting the other vote on him.


let me try to clarify, I'm not saying maven would be an SK, just that due to her connections and previous use of the DB a 1-shot nk would not be surprising, not saying you do have that because just being a politician is a powerful role by itself, so the addition of a 1-shot nk would be a little op, and yes there are good potential sk characters, any of the remaining DB guys (Nazir, Babbete, Cicero (if the player spared him)) another being calixto, except he dies in the blood on ice quest, the bit about night mother potentialy being in game, thats highly doubtful, shes just a talking corpse, it'd be like jaks fake claim all over again (helga the friendly ghost)
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Re: Skyrim Mafia Day 2: There Is One They Fear (15/18)

Postby XenHu on Sat May 26, 2012 1:13 pm

soundman wrote:Sorry I haven't posted in a bit. Been super busy.
/ wrote:Unvote, so what now? Jonty and kageryuu have been mentioned, the later just posted after 9 days.

I thought kager was suspicious on Day 1. And now he comes in and adds nothing to the game. Just parrots what's already been said. Vote Kager.



That logic could be used against the majority of people here. I don't think that's a good enough reason to lynch him.

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Re: Skyrim Mafia Day 2: There Is One They Fear (15/18)

Postby XenHu on Sat May 26, 2012 1:13 pm

Some7hingCLEVER wrote:hey sorry guys i havent been totally active in this one. i am trying my best. i did however notice kagers scumminess in the begining. i dont think i ever voted him but i will now.vote kager

fastposted.
very good point


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Re: Skyrim Mafia Day 2: There Is One They Fear (15/18)

Postby / on Sat May 26, 2012 7:17 pm

Whilst mindless bandwagons are perhaps unhelpful most of the time, we do only have 3 days left to accomplish something, vote kage
Crazy, do you have kage's vote on kage? Please announce from now on when you place your stolen vote, we do not need accidental lynches.
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Re: Skyrim Mafia Day 2: There Is One They Fear (15/18)

Postby / on Sat May 26, 2012 7:18 pm

ebwop, nevermind, I saw you announced you did not place it on him.
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Re: Skyrim Mafia Day 2: There Is One They Fear (15/18)

Postby kageryuu on Sat May 26, 2012 8:13 pm

/ wrote:Whilst mindless bandwagons are perhaps unhelpful most of the time, we do only have 3 days left to accomplish something, vote kage
Crazy, do you have kage's vote on kage? Please announce from now on when you place your stolen vote, we do not need accidental lynches.


and that puts me at L3, so time to claim

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Re: Skyrim Mafia Day 2: There Is One They Fear (15/18)

Postby shieldgenerator7 on Sat May 26, 2012 9:05 pm

Hey I haven't forgotten about this game!

I'm catching up (pg 14 so far) it'll be slow but tomorrow I hope to be all caught up. I'll read recent things so is there anything I should be looking for while reading up or should I just take note of general things? thnx

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Re: Skyrim Mafia Day 2: There Is One They Fear (15/18)

Postby XenHu on Sun May 27, 2012 12:40 am

Brilliant. Two role claims in one day. The Stormcloaks and Thalmor might as well sleepwalk through this game(and they probably are.)

/ wrote:Whilst mindless bandwagons are perhaps unhelpful most of the time, we do only have 3 days left to accomplish something


No, no, no, no, no. This isn't going to fly anymore. It was fine for D1, but even so, look what happened there? In the space of one day and night, we have lost three pro-town. If we ever had a time where we could 'afford' to lose someone, the time has long passed. We've now forced two claims, both of which seem pretty legit.

If you really want to pressure inactives, here's a list:

soundman
Clever
ghostly
edocsil(not inactive, however, just rather timely that he is gone for the entire weekend. Don't like it. It's been used as an excuse by other players in the past.)
new guy(not inactive, but all I've seen him do is show up, start some shit for a page or two, and then leave. And I cannot ignore his 'softclaim' on Day 1. Why was he not killed during the night?)
shieldgenerator(Just showed up now to say he is catching up. We'll see what he brings to the table.)

Honestly, this is one game where I would love to be on the side of the antagonists. I'm calling it now, an easy win for the bad guys if this keeps up. So much potential for submarining between the amount of inactives and the role claims, it's crazy.

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Re: Skyrim Mafia Day 2: There Is One They Fear (15/18)

Postby XenHu on Sun May 27, 2012 12:44 am

LSU Tiger Josh wrote:While kager has definitely been scummy quiet I still like the case on jonty for his mindless bandwagoning. .


Also, I missed this during my previous post. LSU does have a point. This shouldn't be forgotten.


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Re: Skyrim Mafia Day 2: There Is One They Fear (15/18)

Postby / on Sun May 27, 2012 2:26 am

I don't know, it doesn't seem very legit to me. I personally doubt it.
One more question though kageryuu, what is the character name of your mason partner?
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Re: Skyrim Mafia Day 2: There Is One They Fear (15/18)

Postby kageryuu on Sun May 27, 2012 2:50 am

/ wrote:I don't know, it doesn't seem very legit to me. I personally doubt it.
One more question though kageryuu, what is the character name of your mason partner?


Mason Partner?

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/ wrote:Whilst mindless bandwagons are perhaps unhelpful most of the time, we do only have 3 days left to accomplish something, vote kage
Crazy, do you have kage's vote on kage? Please announce from now on when you place your stolen vote, we do not need accidental lynches.


and that puts me at L3, so time to claim

I am Wuunferth the Unliving, Skyrim Miller, those who did the quest blood on ice will know that I was wrongfully imprisoned when it was Calixto who killed all those people and was practicing Necromancy
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Last I read masons and millers are different, A Miller is a person who when investigated appears guilty, but is pro-town
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Re: Skyrim Mafia Day 2: There Is One They Fear (15/18)

Postby / on Sun May 27, 2012 3:01 am

Sorry, yes, that makes more sense.

aaand, at the same time, little sense depending on how the cop works.
if the cop sees results in the typical way for general games "scum" or "town", then it is possible, but if the cop sees "skyrim" or "thalmor" as the theme would suggest, it is unlikely that you would be mistaken as the wrong faction...
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Re: Skyrim Mafia Day 2: There Is One They Fear (15/18)

Postby nagerous on Sun May 27, 2012 10:59 am

I don't like this claim at all. It is illustrated that kageryuu has thematic knowledge of the game, and Wuunferth is the perfect character to fit the miller role. However, miller is a great role for scum to claim, as there would be no chance of something like a cop investigation proving otherwise.
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Re: Skyrim Mafia Day 2: There Is One They Fear (15/18)

Postby new guy1 on Sun May 27, 2012 11:11 am

I believe that kagerru's claim is fake. My reasoning is because miller is the perfect mafia fakeclaim and also I would expect his character which he claimed to have a different role not the miller role. He is powerful from what I know as he is the magic user for the stormcloaks. He has to be good at what he does to be that high up in the resistance, so therefore I believe his claim would fit the bill as I have done that quest, but its too convenient of a claim. unvote, vote kage.

@X- I probably wasnt killed in the night because the mafia figured I would be watched.
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Re: Skyrim Mafia Day 2: There Is One They Fear (15/18)

Postby kageryuu on Sun May 27, 2012 5:46 pm

/ wrote:Sorry, yes, that makes more sense.

and, at the same time, little sense depending on how the cop works.
if the cop sees results in the typical way for general games "scum" or "town", then it is possible, but if the cop sees "skyrim" or "thalmor" as the theme would suggest, it is unlikely that you would be mistaken as the wrong faction...

I am not sure how everywhere is going to have our skyrim cops work whether its purely on a Mafia/Town basis or a faction by faction basis, and atm we don't even know all the factions used in this game, from the D1 scene and Death scenes this is what I have

Thalmor: ~most likely to be mafia~
Skyrim: Leehar (Dovahkiin-Dead)
Skyrim: Jak (Sanguine-Dead), PCM (Jarl Maven-Alive), Kageryuu (Wuunferth-Alive)
Thieves Guild: IB (Brynjolf-Dead)

for all I know everywhere may have even added a Stormcloaks remnants faction, after all there are still officers with troops at stormcloak camps scattered across skyrim after you finish the civil war

nagerous wrote:I don't like this claim at all. It is illustrated that kageryuu has thematic knowledge of the game, and Wuunferth is the perfect character to fit the miller role. However, miller is a great role for scum to claim, as there would be no chance of something like a cop investigation proving otherwise.


Kage says Sarcastically: So knowing game lore is scummy? then by all means I should just play games with themes i have no knowledge of.

new guy1 wrote:I believe that kageryuu's claim is fake. My reasoning is because miller is the perfect mafia fakeclaim and also I would expect (his character which he claimed to have a different role not the miller role). He is powerful from what I know as he is the magic user for the stormcloaks. He has to be good at what he does to be that high up in the resistance, (so therefore I believe his claim would fit the bill as I have done that quest), but its too convenient of a claim. unvote, vote kage.

@X- I probably wasnt killed in the night because the mafia figured I would be watched.


just parroting what Nag said
pray tell what role do you think my character should of had
Wuunferth is the court mage of the City of Windhelm, and every city of skyrim has a court mage who's abilities and personalities are fairly diverse, also all the court mages keep their positions no matter which side wins the civil war, only jarls , stewards (with the exception of windhelms(maybe more, haven't finished civil war with my stormcloak sided char) and thanes (with the exception of the player) are replaced with one friendly to the players supported faction, if Wuunferth was truly part of the stormcloak resistance, being as powerful he is he would likely have been replaced with a more imperial friendly mage
()so first you say that you think the role would be different, then you say that the role fits? which is it? :-s

and if you believe the risk of losing another town just because their role is "convenient", then we'll be at (minimum) 5 town dead with possibly 6 if our vig is unlucky, at this rate i believe and agree with what Xenhu said
XenHu wrote:Honestly, this is one game where I would love to be on the side of the antagonists. I'm calling it now, an easy win for the bad guys if this keeps up. So much potential for submarining between the amount of inactives and the role claims, it's crazy.

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Re: Skyrim Mafia Day 2: There Is One They Fear (15/18)

Postby new guy1 on Sun May 27, 2012 5:57 pm

I dont know what the role is called but I think you should have been either someone who knows who a mafia player is/ any other kind of scum (like an informant I guess you would call it) or a cop, because at the end of the quest you know when the real killer is striking and such, so either an informant or a cop because you know a fair bit of info in the questline.
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Re: Skyrim Mafia Day 2: There Is One They Fear (15/18)

Postby LSU Tiger Josh on Sun May 27, 2012 6:02 pm

Vote Jonty like I said earlier, I don't understand your mindless bandwagoning and I believe the other 2 claims at this point. Having a miller in this game does not make sense if the cop gets "flavor" results. If the cop comes out later and says that he is getting "innocent" or guilty" strictly than it would stand to reason that the miller could be a true claim so for now I'll pass on the miller lynch until the cop announces all his/her results when ready to do so and explain the type of info that the mod is giving them.

Right now I'm not worrying about the different factions that may or may not exist because that is just playing the mod and when people try to play the mod more times than not they get screwed.
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Re: Skyrim Mafia Day 2: There Is One They Fear (15/18)

Postby jonty125 on Mon May 28, 2012 10:03 am

LSU Tiger Josh wrote:Vote Jonty like I said earlier, I don't understand your mindless bandwagoning and I believe the other 2 claims at this point. Having a miller in this game does not make sense if the cop gets "flavor" results. If the cop comes out later and says that he is getting "innocent" or guilty" strictly than it would stand to reason that the miller could be a true claim so for now I'll pass on the miller lynch until the cop announces all his/her results when ready to do so and explain the type of info that the mod is giving them.

Right now I'm not worrying about the different factions that may or may not exist because that is just playing the mod and when people try to play the mod more times than not they get screwed.
Would you care to quote where I have mindlessly bandwaggoned, I'm not saying I haven't bandwagonned but it is much easier to have a debate, if both parties can see the evidence for the case.


Anyhow, vote kager,
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I don't think this is good or this
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I don't actually play the game so if anyone with flavour knowledge would care to help me out then, feel free.
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Re: Skyrim Mafia Day 2: There Is One They Fear (15/18)

Postby nagerous on Mon May 28, 2012 12:27 pm

kageryuu wrote:
nagerous wrote:I don't like this claim at all. It is illustrated that kageryuu has thematic knowledge of the game, and Wuunferth is the perfect character to fit the miller role. However, miller is a great role for scum to claim, as there would be no chance of something like a cop investigation proving otherwise.


Kage says Sarcastically: So knowing game lore is scummy? then by all means I should just play games with themes i have no knowledge of.



Incorrect interpretation of what I said. I just highlighted that he fits the miller role perfectly and you know enough of the game lore to figure that out. I know the game lore too, I've put enough hours into this game to last me a lifetime so why would I say that? You're just trying to desperately make a defence through deliberately misinterpretating my post. Now that is scummy.


The Elder Scrolls Wiki wrote:he teaches Common-level Destruction magic
I don't think this is good or this
The Elder Scrolls Wiki wrote:He will also send Hired Thugs after the player if something is stolen from him
I don't actually play the game so if anyone with flavour knowledge would care to help me out then, feel free.[/quote]

These things can be said of many characters and does not make the character claim scummy.
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Re: Skyrim Mafia Day 2: There Is One They Fear (15/18)

Postby everywhere116 on Mon May 28, 2012 2:10 pm

Vote Count 5

crazy: 1 (edocsil)
pancake: 1 (kageryuu)
kager: 7 (sound, pancake, crazy, clever, /, new guy, jonty) (L-1)
jonty: 1 (LSU)
Not Voting: 5 (nagerous, shield, cowboys, ghostly, XenHu)


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Re: Skyrim Mafia Day 2: There Is One They Fear (15/18)

Postby nagerous on Mon May 28, 2012 2:18 pm

I don't think we are going to have enough time to get another lynch, in the time left and no lynch would be highly detrimental to the town. Kageryuu's defence hasn't been very impressive either, quoting for truth XenHu's comments on inactives when he has been part of the problem with his unexplained 9 day absence. Consequently, I am happy to drop the hammer, though in the interests of using all the time available to us for further discussions I can wait til tomorrow evening.
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Re: Skyrim Mafia Day 2: There Is One They Fear (15/18)

Postby XenHu on Mon May 28, 2012 5:25 pm

jonty125 wrote:Would you care to quote where I have mindlessly bandwaggoned, I'm not saying I haven't bandwagonned but it is much easier to have a debate, if both parties can see the evidence for the case.


Let me help you out, as you seem to have forgotten that I also brought up this very issue with you just a short while ago.

by jonty125 on Mon May 21, 2012 9:01 am

jonty125 wrote:I find newguy scummy.

newguy1 wrote:Well I prefer poking with a very sharp blade to get their attention ;)
He posted this 5 days before deadline, not helping at all.

newguy1 wrote:This is hinting Im not a VT, as when Im a VT I speak alot more as I dont have much to lose.
Please tell me how this helps town?

newguy1 wrote:I dont post much on day one because everytime I do I am called out on it for some reason unseen to me till they point it out.
So, you don't post much because your afraid of being called out? Surely that would encourage inactive hunters to call you out?

vote newguy


Re-hashed argument put together before your by previous players, and in much better form. I've already brought this to attention.

XenHu wrote:
jonty125 wrote:I find newguy scummy.

newguy1 wrote:Well I prefer poking with a very sharp blade to get their attention ;)
He posted this 5 days before deadline, not helping at all.

newguy1 wrote:This is hinting Im not a VT, as when Im a VT I speak alot more as I dont have much to lose.
Please tell me how this helps town?

newguy1 wrote:I dont post much on day one because everytime I do I am called out on it for some reason unseen to me till they point it out.
So, you don't post much because your afraid of being called out? Surely that would encourage inactive hunters to call you out?

vote newguy


You can stop beating the horse now, it's dead.

No, really, put down the club.

Jonty, all you've done is regurgitate what was said a million times over. Top it off with a vote? Really?

Just to be clear(and for the final time): What newguy did was bag o' bricks dumb. I don't support it, and neither should anyone else. I'm in no mood to rush off and lynch someone, however. We saw what happened with Jak.

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And then....

by jonty125 on Tue May 22, 2012 10:03 am

jonty125 wrote:
LSU Tiger Josh wrote:Right we shouldn't rush off to do get a lynch, but at same time we need to figure out what is going on with this day since we had 2 deaths occur. Unless someone steps up and wants to claim one of them as a town vigilante, we need to start looking somewhere to try to find scum.

Also as a heads up, I'll probably be only posting every other day as I'm working out of town now and may not have wifi available each day, but I dropped down to just this game so hopefully will be able to keep up here.


I'll be interested to see his logic, as asking vig to claim is pretty scummy unvote vote LSU Tiger Josh.


I'd like to point out, that's just over an hour after Jonty voted against newguy. So there's your bandwagon. Heck, you even mention that you are conscious of the act(see bolded).

jonty125 wrote:
XenHu wrote:What that was in reference to was this:
XenHu wrote:Jonty, all you've done is regurgitate what was said a million times over. Top it off with a vote? Really?
I wanted to hear your reasoning behind your voting of newguy, considering all you had to go on was arguments made by others. Instead, you went and voted LSU next post.


I voted newguy as I still felt it was a slip. I know you feel I was beating a dead horse but I felt there was a spark that could be relit. When I read LSU's post I thought he was saying "Oi vig, come forward". I might have re-read the post, but someone else (ghostly if I'm not wrong) voted him for asking vig to come forward so I felt I was right. I admit, my case on newguy isn't the greatest and I felt the LSU was much stronger, so I moved my vote.



Speaking of forgetfulness. :lol:


jonty125 wrote:
XenHu wrote:What that was in reference to was this:
XenHu wrote:Jonty, all you've done is regurgitate what was said a million times over. Top it off with a vote? Really?
I wanted to hear your reasoning behind your voting of newguy, considering all you had to go on was arguments made by others. Instead, you went and voted LSU next post.


I voted newguy as I still felt it was a slip. I know you feel I was beating a dead horse but I felt there was a spark that could be relit. When I read LSU's post I thought he was saying "Oi vig, come forward". I might have re-read the post, but someone else (ghostly if I'm not wrong) voted him for asking vig to come forward so I felt I was right. I admit, my case on newguy isn't the greatest and I felt the LSU was much stronger, so I moved my vote.



jonty125 wrote:Thought I had unvoted, but I haven't unvote FOS Xenhu you seem to be voting CM5 because he'll die tonight.

jonty125 wrote:
XenHu wrote:
jonty125 wrote:Thought I had unvoted, but I haven't unvote FOS Xenhu you seem to be voting CM5 because he'll die tonight.


I unvoted CMS in the same post that I speculated he might be killed.

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Sorry, my bad. I read that post twice, and I still thought you were voting CM5 not unvoting.


jonty125 wrote:I'm not saying I haven't bandwagonned but it is much easier to have a debate, if both parties can see the evidence for the case.


You are, in a way. If you know you've done something, why does he need to post evidence for it. After all, what's to hide? Regardless, I've done the job for him.

Vote: Jonty

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/ wrote:Sorry, yes, that makes more sense.

and, at the same time, little sense depending on how the cop works.
if the cop sees results in the typical way for general games "scum" or "town", then it is possible, but if the cop sees "skyrim" or "thalmor" as the theme would suggest, it is unlikely that you would be mistaken as the wrong faction...

I am not sure how everywhere is going to have our skyrim cops work whether its purely on a Mafia/Town basis or a faction by faction basis, and atm we don't even know all the factions used in this game, from the D1 scene and Death scenes this is what I have

Thalmor: ~most likely to be mafia~
Skyrim: Leehar (Dovahkiin-Dead)
Skyrim: Jak (Sanguine-Dead), PCM (Jarl Maven-Alive), Kageryuu (Wuunferth-Alive)
Thieves Guild: IB (Brynjolf-Dead)

for all I know everywhere may have even added a Stormcloaks remnants faction, after all there are still officers with troops at stormcloak camps scattered across skyrim after you finish the civil war


Stormcloaks are likely to be the mafia, would be my guess. The Thalmor will not win immediately after achieving their win condition.

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Re: Skyrim Mafia Day 2: There Is One They Fear (15/18)

Postby new guy1 on Mon May 28, 2012 5:37 pm

I think the thalmor are scum, I dont believe the stormcloaks to be the main antagonists as it seems that they have lost the war.
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Re: Skyrim Mafia Day 2: There Is One They Fear (15/18)

Postby / on Mon May 28, 2012 5:39 pm

LSU Tiger Josh wrote:Vote Jonty like I said earlier, I don't understand your mindless bandwagoning and I believe the other 2 claims at this point. Having a miller in this game does not make sense if the cop gets "flavor" results. If the cop comes out later and says that he is getting "innocent" or guilty" strictly than it would stand to reason that the miller could be a true claim so for now I'll pass on the miller lynch until the cop announces all his/her results when ready to do so and explain the type of info that the mod is giving them.

Right now I'm not worrying about the different factions that may or may not exist because that is just playing the mod and when people try to play the mod more times than not they get screwed.

I'm surprised that you didn't bring up "best worst case scenario" on kage, he has no abilities (if truthful) and admitted that upon investigation he will come up scum, this should prove interesting come day three. Particularly since you make your very first case of the day near the very end, when we obviously don't have time to follow through yet.

Eh, best not delay tomorrow what I can do today, may as well make the most of our time, just in case...
if kage comes up scum today (obvious result, you may have tried to dissuade from his wagon.)
if kage told the truth, this interestingly enough could also be a scum move, only scum would know scum, and therefor scum would be more inclined to believe a miller, dismiss his wagon, and when lynched have the "I told you so" to say.
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Re: Skyrim Mafia Day 2: There Is One They Fear (15/18)

Postby LSU Tiger Josh on Mon May 28, 2012 6:30 pm

Thanks for the evidence posting X.

In regards to the Kager lynch, if needed I would throw down the hammer. I just would much rather go after someone who hops all over the place instead of someone that is a bit more deliberate at this time especially when they have their vote stolen from them. I know personally speaking if I didn't have a vote that day that I would be less inclined to hop on at every opportunity for that day especially if I was stuck with a crap role like miller. BTW I didn't make my very first case at the end of the day, I just threw my vote down at the end of the day for the first time. My case was stated quite early this day against Jonty.
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