HP: fight for freedom. Game over. Wizards won.

[chapcrap]

James and Lilly are ghosts. Notice that Freezie doesnt say Snapes approaches james or Lily in the night scene. He saw some one who RESSEMBLED Lily so much he had no choice but to battle who he THOUGHT looked like James.

Polyjuice?

Explain plox.

As for the IB case, I'm having a hard time finding any merit behind it other than the non-wizard role. It seems to me to be a crutch that others are leaning on. If we treat his claim as a fake, we must rely on his play to determine his alignment. I feel he's been pretty pro-town, but I could be wrong. If we treat his claim as genuine, from what I read in a wiki, there's no way Firenze would be scum.

-Tails

No, Firenze would not be scum. Either third party or aligned with town. The centaurs kept to themselves mostly, but he was more friendly than others and became a teacher at Hogwarts.

I do not have a problem with Firenze. I have a problem with the claim not matching up with is seeming to be an inconsistency in investigation results that strike and I get compared to what IB allegedly received. The case is not just about the 'Not a wizard' result that I received night 1. It is also about the fact that he claims to have gotten a result of Death Eater, when freezie has told strike and I separately that the possible available results are wizard or not a wizard. So, how do you reconcile these facts other than to say that IB is in fact, not telling the truth?

Where did that come from?

That was from Freddie'a opening scene.

Check that autocorrect...

[strike wolf]

James and Lilly are ghosts. Notice that Freezie doesnt say Snapes approaches james or Lily in the night scene. He saw some one who RESSEMBLED Lily so much he had no choice but to battle who he THOUGHT looked like James.

Polyjuice?

Explain plox.

As for the IB case, I'm having a hard time finding any merit behind it other than the non-wizard role. It seems to me to be a crutch that others are leaning on. If we treat his claim as a fake, we must rely on his play to determine his alignment. I feel he's been pretty pro-town, but I could be wrong. If we treat his claim as genuine, from what I read in a wiki, there's no way Firenze would be scum.

-Tails

No, Firenze would not be scum. Either third party or aligned with town. The centaurs kept to themselves mostly, but he was more friendly than others and became a teacher at Hogwarts.

I do not have a problem with Firenze. I have a problem with the claim not matching up with is seeming to be an inconsistency in investigation results that strike and I get compared to what IB allegedly received. The case is not just about the 'Not a wizard' result that I received night 1. It is also about the fact that he claims to have gotten a result of Death Eater, when freezie has told strike and I separately that the possible available results are wizard or not a wizard. So, how do you reconcile these facts other than to say that IB is in fact, not telling the truth?

Where did that come from?

That was from Freddie'a opening scene.

Check that autocorrect...

I did check autocorrect...it still came up wrong somehow...

[TA1LGUNN3R]

I do not have a problem with Firenze. I have a problem with the claim not matching up with is seeming to be an inconsistency in investigation results that strike and I get compared to what IB allegedly received. The case is not just about the 'Not a wizard' result that I received night 1. It is also about the fact that he claims to have gotten a result of Death Eater, when freezie has told strike and I separately that the possible available results are wizard or not a wizard. So, how do you reconcile these facts other than to say that IB is in fact, not telling the truth?

Well he's supposedly a professor of divination, correct? Perhaps his investigations are different because of this. The wiki I read on Divination in the HP universe said the centaurs' divination was more accurate and differed greatly from wizards'.

-Tails

[BigBallinStalin]

You know that guy, TA1LGUNN3R?

"Yeah, I knows him."

Well, I want him dead, see? Dead as a door nail by 5 o'clock tonight! You got that?

"Yeah, I got it, boss."

[everywhere116]

James and Lilly are ghosts. Notice that Freezie doesnt say Snapes approaches james or Lily in the night scene. He saw some one who RESSEMBLED Lily so much he had no choice but to battle who he THOUGHT looked like James.

Polyjuice?

Explain plox.

Polyjuice is that potion that allows you to look like anyone you want if you have a sample of their DNA (usually hair). The person Snape thought he saw could actually have been any character that used the polyjuice to make himself look like James. Although I have no idea how any character would be able to get their hands on one of James' hairs, nor am I completely sure that it wasn't just a literary technique freezie used to illustrate the fact that Snape was delusional in the scene.

I do not have a problem with Firenze. I have a problem with the claim not matching up with is seeming to be an inconsistency in investigation results that strike and I get compared to what IB allegedly received. The case is not just about the 'Not a wizard' result that I received night 1. It is also about the fact that he claims to have gotten a result of Death Eater, when freezie has told strike and I separately that the possible available results are wizard or not a wizard. So, how do you reconcile these facts other than to say that IB is in fact, not telling the truth?

Well he's supposedly a professor of divination, correct? Perhaps his investigations are different because of this. The wiki I read on Divination in the HP universe said the centaurs' divination was more accurate and differed greatly from wizards'.

-Tails

The facts leading to the decision of today's lynch just keep getting more and more complicated....

You know that guy, TA1LGUNN3R?

"Yeah, I knows him."

Well, I want him dead, see? Dead as a door nail by 5 o'clock tonight! You got that?

"Yeah, I got it, boss."

Geetout.

[chapcrap]

I do not have a problem with Firenze. I have a problem with the claim not matching up with is seeming to be an inconsistency in investigation results that strike and I get compared to what IB allegedly received. The case is not just about the 'Not a wizard' result that I received night 1. It is also about the fact that he claims to have gotten a result of Death Eater, when freezie has told strike and I separately that the possible available results are wizard or not a wizard. So, how do you reconcile these facts other than to say that IB is in fact, not telling the truth?

Well he's supposedly a professor of divination, correct? Perhaps his investigations are different because of this. The wiki I read on Divination in the HP universe said the centaurs' divination was more accurate and differed greatly from wizards'.

-Tails

You are correct in that the centaurs had different divination. However, I would not say more accurate at all. By lore, the centaurs divination was mainly through the use of astrology and gave them general, broad knowledge. Whereas, the wizards was actually much more specific usually. Which would mean, the wizards would be more accurate, IMO.

[spiesr]

Also, why do you just ignore all of Neb's posts?

No one else seemed to care. He doesn't have much of a case anyway. I said why I unvoted him in the post (he was at L-1). He hadn't yet explained what role he had, and when freezie informed us that I had put him to L-1, I put him back to L-2, as is customary. I was still against him Then hippo hammered him before our discussion was complete, in a move that made strike comment that he "flew in with that vote" and FOS'd him.

While I agree that there really isn't as much to Neb's point as he thinks there is, I don't think that ignoring he repeated queries was the best way to handle it.

I do not have a problem with Firenze. I have a problem with the claim not matching up with is seeming to be an inconsistency in investigation results that strike and I get compared to what IB allegedly received. The case is not just about the 'Not a wizard' result that I received night 1. It is also about the fact that he claims to have gotten a result of Death Eater, when freezie has told strike and I separately that the possible available results are wizard or not a wizard. So, how do you reconcile these facts other than to say that IB is in fact, not telling the truth?

All right let's list the points against Iron Butterfly.
1. He was investigated and came up "Non-wizard." Despite his insistence to the contrary, I am nearly certian that "non-wizard" means non-town. He has claimed town, so he must be lying, eliminating the possibility of him being a non-threatening third party.
2. He claims to have received investigation results of "Deatheater." This is inconsistent with the results that other players claim to have.
3. This last one is just my personal opinion, but his claim also seems to make too many investigative roles if you ask me. We have a cop, a JOAT with an investigation and a track, a watcher, Harry Potter with the ability to do shit if he found Voldemort, and then you can add in Iron Butterfly's claim of having two investigations and the pseudo investigations he gets from his "can only hurt scum" vig ability. That seems to add up to way too much if you ask me. Even with the mafia busdriver and roleblocker being taken into account, it still seems like too much investigative power in the town's hands. Someone has to be lying from that list. Given the two points above, and a selection of minor factors, I think Iron Butterfly is the most likely to be the liar.

[Nebuchadnezer]

The ONLY piece of information we have is that Iron has a "non wizard" finding against him. Everything else about him has been completely town. Why kill your busdriver when there was no reason or pressure on him?

I don't know where to go here. I guess I can go along with Iron for the lynch...It just seems a shame if he comes up town that we lose a pretty good player on our side.

[strike wolf]

As memory serves, iron was under pressure due to Chap coming forward with a non-wizard result on him. Iron replied by saying he was Firenze and had a death eater result on Dazza.

[Iron Butterfly]

SO as memory serves Spartacus pretty much cleared MC before his death. I'll have to review but I do remember a few people who definitely stood out as scummy after yesterday.

Yup. SPARTACUS admitted to being a "jilted lover" and that MC was in fact Father Potter. In my mind, this means SPARTACUS had a win condition of lynching MC, which is why he concocted the phony night action. However, upon seeing that he got lynched, he admitted his plan and saved Father Potter...coincidentally enough, he played Snape just like the actual character. Scummy all game, and came clean at the end.

That means nothing as Snapes was third party. Why would he go through all that trouble for revenge by claiming he was a werewolf and then clear him. I also don't think this was in the book so roles can take liberties with the game play. So was his role as he claimed and he got very lucky, found him and then tried to frame him?

Something does not add up with what Sparticas did...Freezie called it a suicide...so did he break rules?

Now to important matters. It seems that Chap all but called me scummy before night fall. I will say this simply to Chap.

"Just because you know you are Town does not mean others should take your word on it." There are more scenarios then just the one you seem to imply. I investigated Chap and could not tell one way or the other if he is Town or Mafia. Obviously he knows I visited him. He seems to imply that because I visited him I must be mafia and that because nothing bad happened I must have been blocked.

I can say with absolute certainty that Dazza is a bad guy and I have known it for some time.

It was a little more complicated then that Wolf.

I had beleived that Chap was saying I was scum because I visited him to investigate him. I did not know it was because he investigated me and had gotten "not a wizard" results.

[Iron Butterfly]

First of all, mc, quit trying to say that James and Lily are strong claims. They are not strong at all.

Second, Tails, it's very easy for mafia to get town cred and a win if they throw other members under the bus. Perhaps you aren't mafia and you're third party. I don't know. All I know is that you're lying again.

I have no problem telling my night actions now because they are all used and I don't think I can get anyone else to slip up, as Tails did, by keeping them a secret. And, btw, keeping them a secret is a good move, because it makes the mafia wonder what actions I have. They don't know if I am holding anything back or if I am truly out of actions.

Night 1: Investigated IB, Result: Not a wizard
Night 2: Tried to kill IB, he didn't die and when I questioned freezie, I didn't have the ability any longer.
Night 3: Tried to track Neb and got no result. I asked if I still had the ability and was informed that I did.
Night 4: Tracked strike wolf, he visitied Neb.
Night 5: nothing
Night 6: Used a doctor ability on strike wolf

Ok, those are the results that I sent in, but now looking at my role PM, I never had a kill ability. I must have dreamed that. That is what I sent in however. So, I'm not sure if freezie just ignored my kill action or accepted it. I was never informed that I was being an idiot by sending in an action that I wasn't supposed to have, so I'm not sure. AND, that being said, I still have a roleblock ability. I thought I was out of actions, but I guess not. I need to clarify with freezie.

OK I am still not not sure why this does not bother folks. Chap sends in kill ability request he does not have. He explains he was never informed he did not have one. OK he explains its a stupid mistake."I thought I was out of actions", "I need to clarify with Freezie" So instead of looking at his PM to find out his actions...which would explain what he can and can not do he says he needs to ask freezie."

OK next post.

[Iron Butterfly]

I said what I did because I wanted to get the information out there in case something happened to me during the night. I'm gonna have to claim to prove myself, so I will. Here's the green part:

You are Professor Minerva McGonagall ( Wizard Headmistress )

Meow. You are the head of the Gryffindor house aswell as the new head of the Howarts
school since Snape's sudden escape. A versatile wizard, you ecxel in Transfiguration
magic, yourself beeing a cat Animagus. Will your power help Harry in his head fight
with the Dark lord, we will see..

I'm a town JOAT. I investigated IB on night 1 because he acted scummy. I tried to kill him night 2 and I believe that he was busdriven with safariguy so that if safariguy were investigated (Because there was a chance that someone would investigate him. He was on the scumdar) he would look scummy. So, I ended up killing safariguy on night 2 instead of IB. Which was a bummer. But, that's why I told the roleblocker, good job. There was only 1 kill and it was mine. As you can see, the roleblocker listened to me and blocked the right person again, preventing a kill.

I PM'ed freezie yesterday about the kill because I wanted to make sure whether or not my kill went through or if I was blocked and still had a kill left. I was told that she could not confirm or deny if I was blocked, but that I had no kill left.

So, what did I do last night? I tried to use my watch ability, but I got no PM from freezie about anything. So, I'm assuming I was blocked. I'm about to PM freezie to find out if I was blocked or not since I received no information at all. Honestly, I don't remember who I tried to watch, so I'm gonna have to look through my sent PMs and hope it's still in there.

Anything else you want to know?

unvote vote Iron Butterfly

So lets see what information Chap has provided us up to day seven.
Day 1 he claims to have investigated me.
Day 2 sends in a night kill on me that he doesnt have. But he does tell the role blocker good job!
Day 3 He says he sent in a watch action LOL but he cant remember who he wanted to watch and he needs to look through his PMs to remember.
Day 4 He tracks Wolf.
Day 5 He does nothing. Why? You think he has checked his PM yet?
Day 6 He sends in a Doc skill?

So Day 7 he has used an investigation and a tracking skill.

He has talked to Freezie to clairify how many times?

[alt1978]

My vote is on everywhere but like neb, I would be willing to move forward with a chap or ib lynch if a strong enough case was made. I think it is possible that ib is third party (probably not with town's best interest solely at heart) and that chap could be town.
I guess even everywhere has the potential to be town. If he was right when he went after IB and I have misjudged IB's aliegance...then I would probably be wrong about everywhere. However I don't have anything more solid to go on, so that's where I fall in deciphering this mess.

I am basing my vote mainly on how everywhere came after IB after IB had nailed dazza. I guess just based by his actions...ib has come across as town...and he particularly seemed town at the moment everywhere came after him. Once the case turned to pcm...the aggressive strong push for a lynch seemed to vanish from everywhere's priority list. The case against pcm (or tails really at that time...particularly before we knew for certain that it was pcm not tails that was lying) was a much stronger one than the one against IB, but it didn't elicit the same response from everywhere. His reluctance to answer neb's questions seems off.


Vote everywhere

[strike wolf]

Not really sure I wouldn't prefer to lynch DJ over all of you. He gave a cryptic claim that seems like it could have just been an attempt to follow in the shadow of mine and I don't really feel through the course of the game he has done much to help town. He brought attention to Bleed yes but if I was mafia, I would have probably wanted to shake loose of the inactive Godfather myself (WIFOM I know).

IB is a close second and his defense seems more like an attack strategy against others rather than actually defending himself but his centaur claim may fit in with Non-wizard and I can't explain why PCM woulld visit him if he was mafia.

[chapcrap]

It was a little more complicated then that Wolf.

I had beleived that Chap was saying I was scum because I visited him to investigate him. I did not know it was because he investigated me and had gotten "not a wizard" results.

First of all, you quoted someone else instead of strike and then responded to strike and not the post you quoted.

Second, how did you now know why I was accusing you? It doesn't make any sense? You think I accused you because you allegedly tried to visit me? How was I even supposed to know you tried to visit me? I accused you before you said anything about it. This is just something else that doesn't add up.

OK I am still not not sure why this does not bother folks. Chap sends in kill ability request he does not have. He explains he was never informed he did not have one. OK he explains its a stupid mistake."I thought I was out of actions", "I need to clarify with Freezie" So instead of looking at his PM to find out his actions...which would explain what he can and can not do he says he needs to ask freezie."

So, you're mad because I clarified with freezie exactly what happened? Another non-point.

So lets see what information Chap has provided us up to day seven.
Day 1 he claims to have investigated me.
Day 2 sends in a night kill on me that he doesnt have. But he does tell the role blocker good job!
Day 3 He says he sent in a watch action LOL but he cant remember who he wanted to watch and he needs to look through his PMs to remember.
Day 4 He tracks Wolf.
Day 5 He does nothing. Why? You think he has checked his PM yet?
Day 6 He sends in a Doc skill?

So Day 7 he has used an investigation and a tracking skill.

He has talked to Freezie to clairify how many times?

First of all, I did things in the night, not the day. Second, I already admitted to messing up. That doesn't make me scum.

You know what IB reminds me of? It's like a lawyer who tries to get a murderer off by claiming the key witness isn't credible. Yeah, I messed up, but that doesn't mean that IB isn't scum.

[strike wolf]

SO as memory serves Spartacus pretty much cleared MC before his death. I'll have to review but I do remember a few people who definitely stood out as scummy after yesterday.

Yup. SPARTACUS admitted to being a "jilted lover" and that MC was in fact Father Potter. In my mind, this means SPARTACUS had a win condition of lynching MC, which is why he concocted the phony night action. However, upon seeing that he got lynched, he admitted his plan and saved Father Potter...coincidentally enough, he played Snape just like the actual character. Scummy all game, and came clean at the end.

That means nothing as Snapes was third party. Why would he go through all that trouble for revenge by claiming he was a werewolf and then clear him. I also don't think this was in the book so roles can take liberties with the game play. So was his role as he claimed and he got very lucky, found him and then tried to frame him?

Something does not add up with what Sparticas did...Freezie called it a suicide...so did he break rules?

Now to important matters. It seems that Chap all but called me scummy before night fall. I will say this simply to Chap.

"Just because you know you are Town does not mean others should take your word on it." There are more scenarios then just the one you seem to imply. I investigated Chap and could not tell one way or the other if he is Town or Mafia. Obviously he knows I visited him. He seems to imply that because I visited him I must be mafia and that because nothing bad happened I must have been blocked.

I can say with absolute certainty that Dazza is a bad guy and I have known it for some time.

It was a little more complicated then that Wolf.

I had beleived that Chap was saying I was scum because I visited him to investigate him. I did not know it was because he investigated me and had gotten "not a wizard" results.

Sorry apparently I missed this post. It wasn't more complicated than that. you were pretty much the only one who actually thought this. He had made it clear that he had an investigation result on you that did not appear to line up with town. The only thing I forgot here was that he didn't come out with the actual result until after you had claimed. He had however made it clear that he had a cop related investigation on you.

[Iron Butterfly]

I will be on the road today, Tommorrow I will be on in the hospital all day and into Thursday evening.

I will say one last thing. I have never been a game where people have been given so much lee-way when getting caught in out and out lies or putting forth game changing information only to change it days later.

Between MC and Chap it just boggles me. I understand the arguments put forward on me and why folks thinks it looks scummy but I beleive Freezie did this for a reason.

Hopefully after the Holiday weekend folks will be a bit more invoved. Chap and I have kept going at each other for valid reasons.

Questions I still have.

Tails- I beleive Tails claim but we need to see his PM
Everywhere- He has become the invisible man. He added a few minimal posts when I was trying to anylyze MC and his history. "Polyjuice". It was like he was humoring me but added nothing to the dialouge. He has gotten extremly quiet since the pressure has been put on him. Vote Everywhere for pressure.

[strike wolf]

Vote IB I was giving him a bit of a second chance when I unvoted but at this point, I am tired of it. He's dodged or misinformed on a lot of the questions. The thinking Chap thought he was guilty because "he knew I visited him" excuse is sketchy at best. Chap never implied that he knew IB visited him. Also while chap has made a number of mistakes, if you look at some contextual evidence there's support that he is telling the truth (even if IB was also telling the truth which I'm starting to doubt more and more).

As far as the Everywhere bandwagon, I guess people have decided that I must be naive. Personally at this point, I'll reiterate that I don't believe I am naive.

[everywhere116]

Obviously I put too much weight on the wrong side of the balance beam. Either way, I suppose.

You are Madam Pomfrey ( Wizard Doctor )

Long lasting nurse of the Hogwarts school, you fear the very outcome of the final battle
against the Dark Lord, however, you are no coward and will fight if needed...But mostly
heal the many wounded that are to come..

Might as well reveal my night actions.

Night 1: Jonty. Obvious reasons. Also how I knew that a bus driver existed right off the bat on Day 2, and why I was suspicious of anyone who tried to pressure saf.

Night 2: Iron Butterfly. The most common tactic of mafia bus drivers is to drive one of their own, so I protected the people I thought were scum to circumvent that. It didn't work this time, obviously, although it would have provided a very good reason why chap's kill failed, had he not already gone back on his story that he never really targeted IB in the first place.

Night 3: Neb. Same logic as above. Obviously it worked, although whether or not Neb was the real target and dazza wasn't involved, or whether he was the scum being switched with the target I cannot say. Also defunct if there is another protection capable role.

Night 4: Protect Chapcrap. Seemed like the most pro-town character worth protecting at the time. Didn't work.

Night 5: Protect Tails. After being the driving force behind pancakes lynch he had to be protected. Worked.

Night 6: Protect Tails again. Same reason as before. Didn't want to be caught on the wrong side of a Wifom. Worked if there was an attempted kill, although there have been doubts as to whether or not a kill was attempted.

Also, for good measure, Unvote Vote IB

[Nebuchadnezer]

. Thank you...clears that unvote

And now the only place I can go is... vote iron butterfly

[Iron Butterfly]

I believe that's a lynch.

Good Game guys. I'm more then willing to take one for the team seeing how I couldn't vig anyone. I have more then done my part. If you want to win I suggest having a mass claim as all you have is Spiesr and Any.

I would take a strong look at those two.

[Nebuchadnezer]

lol...you know it's only L-1. I'm not sure playing the pity card before an actual lynch helps you. While I would love to get a claim from spiesr, I figured outing the doc was bad enough...although I can't for the life of me figure out who he would be...Hagrid? Why not suggest mass claim earlier? I would have gone with that...nothing to lose there.

While I did agree with some of your arguments, you started to seem desperate and wild in pointing to everyone around the board...

Wait...UNVOTE

TAILS...green part of your message please.

Once I have that, I'll vote Iron again...I hate being ignored.

[Nebuchadnezer]

I believe that's a lynch.

Good Game guys. I'm more then willing to take one for the team seeing how I couldn't vig anyone. I have more then done my part. If you want to win I suggest having a mass claim as all you have is Spiesr and Any.

I would take a strong look at those two.

PS - Could you post all your night actions please and who you investigated as who? Thank you.

[freezie]

Vote count:

Everywhere(3): Dj, Alt, Iron

Chapcrap(1): McHammer

L-2 Iron Butterfly(4): Chapcrap, Spiesr, Strike wolf, Everywhere


10 alive, 6 to lynch.

[Iron Butterfly]

lol...you know it's only L-1. I'm not sure playing the pity card before an actual lynch helps you. While I would love to get a claim from spiesr, I figured outing the doc was bad enough...although I can't for the life of me figure out who he would be...Hagrid? Why not suggest mass claim earlier? I would have gone with that...nothing to lose there.

While I did agree with some of your arguments, you started to seem desperate and wild in pointing to everyone around the board...

Wait...UNVOTE

TAILS...green part of your message please.

Once I have that, I'll vote Iron again...I hate being ignored.

Not at all.

I knew it inevitable I would be lynched. I simply did the job that no one else has wanted to do. Question those that have flaws in their stories. You cant tell me there have not been flaws in both MC and Chap. So you lynch me..what then? You going to revisit chap or MC?

At this point of the game it doesn't matter if the Doc is outed or not. There are enough power roles to figure out who is who. I would however be curious as to who the doc protected. There were three nights with no kills. Last night especially. If we find out who Everywhere blocked there may be a better understanding of what they are targeting.

Day three Neb was blocked by hippo and Mafia would not block its own. So either mafia was a no show or Everywhere had a good save.

LOL and if you have a were wolf who can recruit...well you have a whole new game on your hands.

If you think I am wrong in targeting Chap and MC...who exactly would you trust after that.
If Tails cant post a PM that passes a sniff test then he is connected to MC.

GOD...I got home around 4pm and have been thinking...I am punch crazy...wish me luck I go get an angio gram tomorrow to clean out my heart.