Has anyone accomplished

[pmchugh]

I have less than AOGs debt divided by 10 in student loans. Scottish tuition fees paid for the government = WIN.

Are you not a taxpayer? If you are a taxpayer, you are paying for your education (and others').

You still have to pay taxes and your debt, you are just selfish in paying for only your own education.

Scottish tuition fees paid for the government = WIN.

To be fair, they have an easier time of it. One would imagine it costs more to fund an advanced anatomy class at Johns Hopkins than a sheep-shearing class at the University of the Outer Hebrides.

Hi saxi.

[thegreekdog]

You still have to pay taxes and your debt, you are just selfish in paying for only your own education.

Technically, for college/university/graduate education, I pay the following: taxes (which support others' educations), tuition in cash, tuition in loans (plus interest), and, if I'm so inclined, charitable contributions to my alma mater. Presumably you pay similar costs (although your costs may be lower than the average US ex-student's costs due to the affordability of a college education in Scotland versus the US).

[pmchugh]

You still have to pay taxes and your debt, you are just selfish in paying for only your own education.

Technically, for college/university/graduate education, I pay the following: taxes (which support others' educations), tuition in cash, tuition in loans (plus interest), and, if I'm so inclined, charitable contributions to my alma mater. Presumably you pay similar costs (although your costs may be lower than the average US ex-student's costs due to the affordability of a college education in Scotland versus the US).

Tuition fees are like 9k per year in Scotland now, so I would get like 36k of debt if I was English and attending my uni. Perhaps I should rephrase, in our system we do more to help people into tertiary education than some other countries and as such we provide a much more equal playing field. I think it is important that education is fairly given to those who seek it, to stop the influence of the parents wealth upon the next generation of children.

[saxitoxin]

in our system we do more to help people into tertiary education than some other countries and as such we provide a much more equal playing field

His Worshipfulness Sir Adrian John Charles Hope, 4th Marquess of Linlithgow and Viscount Aithrie agrees

1. Russia - 54% aged 25 to 64 has an associate's degree (diploma) or higher
2. Canada - 48%
3. Israel - 43%
4. Japan - 41%
5. New Zealand - 41%
6. United States - 40%
7. Finland - 36%
8. Korea - 34%
9. Norway - 34%
10. Australia - 32%

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/2 ... tralia_337

[thegreekdog]

You still have to pay taxes and your debt, you are just selfish in paying for only your own education.

Technically, for college/university/graduate education, I pay the following: taxes (which support others' educations), tuition in cash, tuition in loans (plus interest), and, if I'm so inclined, charitable contributions to my alma mater. Presumably you pay similar costs (although your costs may be lower than the average US ex-student's costs due to the affordability of a college education in Scotland versus the US).

Tuition fees are like 9k per year in Scotland now, so I would get like 36k of debt if I was English and attending my uni. Perhaps I should rephrase, in our system we do more to help people into tertiary education than some other countries and as such we provide a much more equal playing field. I think it is important that education is fairly given to those who seek it, to stop the influence of the parents wealth upon the next generation of children.

See Saxi's table below, but the United States does a whole lot to make sure people that cannot afford tertiary education can get tertiary education (even if that tertiary education is an art history degree that will net them $8 an hour at Starbucks).

[The Voice]

You still have to pay taxes and your debt, you are just selfish in paying for only your own education.

Technically, for college/university/graduate education, I pay the following: taxes (which support others' educations), tuition in cash, tuition in loans (plus interest), and, if I'm so inclined, charitable contributions to my alma mater. Presumably you pay similar costs (although your costs may be lower than the average US ex-student's costs due to the affordability of a college education in Scotland versus the US).

Tuition fees are like 9k per year in Scotland now, so I would get like 36k of debt if I was English and attending my uni. Perhaps I should rephrase, in our system we do more to help people into tertiary education than some other countries and as such we provide a much more equal playing field. I think it is important that education is fairly given to those who seek it, to stop the influence of the parents wealth upon the next generation of children.

See Saxi's table below, but the United States does a whole lot to make sure people that cannot afford tertiary education can get tertiary education (even if that tertiary education is an art history degree that will net them $8 an hour at Starbucks).

F*** history majors! We the creative writing majors have to compete with them for these menial jobs.

[PLAYER57832]

You still have to pay taxes and your debt, you are just selfish in paying for only your own education.

Technically, for college/university/graduate education, I pay the following: taxes (which support others' educations), tuition in cash, tuition in loans (plus interest), and, if I'm so inclined, charitable contributions to my alma mater. Presumably you pay similar costs (although your costs may be lower than the average US ex-student's costs due to the affordability of a college education in Scotland versus the US).

PA is a bad example. CA used to have very affordable and excellent education both... until a bunch in the 80's and 90's decided that it was "too expensive" and that offering tax breaks to cronies was more important.

Funny thing is they forgot that that good education is part of why CA became as strong as it was.

[thegreekdog]

You still have to pay taxes and your debt, you are just selfish in paying for only your own education.

Technically, for college/university/graduate education, I pay the following: taxes (which support others' educations), tuition in cash, tuition in loans (plus interest), and, if I'm so inclined, charitable contributions to my alma mater. Presumably you pay similar costs (although your costs may be lower than the average US ex-student's costs due to the affordability of a college education in Scotland versus the US).

PA is a bad example. CA used to have very affordable and excellent education both... until a bunch in the 80's and 90's decided that it was "too expensive" and that offering tax breaks to cronies was more important.

Funny thing is they forgot that that good education is part of why CA became as strong as it was.

I'm not sure college costs are state specific.

[PLAYER57832]

You still have to pay taxes and your debt, you are just selfish in paying for only your own education.

Technically, for college/university/graduate education, I pay the following: taxes (which support others' educations), tuition in cash, tuition in loans (plus interest), and, if I'm so inclined, charitable contributions to my alma mater. Presumably you pay similar costs (although your costs may be lower than the average US ex-student's costs due to the affordability of a college education in Scotland versus the US).

PA is a bad example. CA used to have very affordable and excellent education both... until a bunch in the 80's and 90's decided that it was "too expensive" and that offering tax breaks to cronies was more important.

Funny thing is they forgot that that good education is part of why CA became as strong as it was.

I'm not sure college costs are state specific.

They absolutely are.

[thegreekdog]

You still have to pay taxes and your debt, you are just selfish in paying for only your own education.

Technically, for college/university/graduate education, I pay the following: taxes (which support others' educations), tuition in cash, tuition in loans (plus interest), and, if I'm so inclined, charitable contributions to my alma mater. Presumably you pay similar costs (although your costs may be lower than the average US ex-student's costs due to the affordability of a college education in Scotland versus the US).

PA is a bad example. CA used to have very affordable and excellent education both... until a bunch in the 80's and 90's decided that it was "too expensive" and that offering tax breaks to cronies was more important.

Funny thing is they forgot that that good education is part of why CA became as strong as it was.

I'm not sure college costs are state specific.

They absolutely are.

Okay, well, two things:

(1) You know, the usual - please provide examples of similarly situated higher education institutions that cost more in one state than in another. Good luck. Oh, and here is what I mean (in case there is confusion): Does the University of Pennsylvania cost more than a similarly situated university (Columbia University)? It's not whether Columbia costs more than Millersville College (an obscure Pennsylvania state school).

(2) I was comparing US colleges and universities as a whole to non-US colleges and universities.

[nietzsche]

I wouldn't mind living in a communist utopia for 5 years..

[Army of GOD]

I think the average student loan in the US after graduation is around 20k, but I still have two more years of undergrad and then I'll probably go to grad school after (so I'll graduate from undergrad with about 30k in debt). That's why tgd owes so fucking much.

Also, if I went to NYU last year, I'd owe around 70k by the time I would graduate. I guess I made a smart fiscal decision. Probably my first and last.

[pmchugh]

You still have to pay taxes and your debt, you are just selfish in paying for only your own education.

Technically, for college/university/graduate education, I pay the following: taxes (which support others' educations), tuition in cash, tuition in loans (plus interest), and, if I'm so inclined, charitable contributions to my alma mater. Presumably you pay similar costs (although your costs may be lower than the average US ex-student's costs due to the affordability of a college education in Scotland versus the US).

Tuition fees are like 9k per year in Scotland now, so I would get like 36k of debt if I was English and attending my uni. Perhaps I should rephrase, in our system we do more to help people into tertiary education than some other countries and as such we provide a much more equal playing field. I think it is important that education is fairly given to those who seek it, to stop the influence of the parents wealth upon the next generation of children.

See Saxi's table below, but the United States does a whole lot to make sure people that cannot afford tertiary education can get tertiary education (even if that tertiary education is an art history degree that will net them $8 an hour at Starbucks).

Comparing Scotland to the US of A is a bit ridiculous. We don't even control our countries budget and would not appear on that list even if we were good enough.

[Army of GOD]

ITT: pmc admits the US is better than Scotland at everything other than bagpipes and kilts

[huamulan]

Be fair, pmc. Scotland has 2/3 world class universities in a country with a population of 5 million. What's more, Scottish citizens have free access to those world class universities (e.g. St. Andrew's).

It doesn't do that badly in terms of education.

[saxitoxin]

Scotland has 2/3 world class universities in a country with a population of 5 million.

e.g. St. Andrew's

For the second time in ten posts we learn, in this thread, that there's a chance the Ewoks thought the Star Wars trilogy was about them.

World's Top 30 Universities
1 California Institute of Technology
2 Harvard University
2 Stanford University
4 University of Oxford
5 Princeton University
6 University of Cambridge
7 Massachusetts Institute of Technology
8 Imperial College London
9 University of Chicago
10 University of California Berkeley
11 Yale University
12 Columbia University
13 University of California Los Angeles
14 Johns Hopkins University
15 Swiss Federal Institute of Technology
16 University of Pennsylvania
17 University College London
18 University of Michigan
19 University of Toronto
20 Cornell University
21 Carnegie Mellon University
22 University of British Columbia
22 Duke University
24 Georgia Institute of Technology
25 University of Washington
26 Northwestern University
27 University of Wisconsin-Madison
28 McGill University
29 University of Texas at Austin
30 University of Tokyo

http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/w ... p-400.html

[BigBallinStalin]

You misspelled "Stanford University." The correct spelling is "St. Andrew's."

[john9blue]

Scotland has 2/3 world class universities in a country with a population of 5 million.

e.g. St. Andrew's

For the second time in ten posts we learn, in this thread, that there's a chance the Ewoks thought the Star Wars trilogy was about them.

World's Top 30 Universities
1 California Institute of Technology
2 Harvard University
2 Stanford University
4 University of Oxford
5 Princeton University
6 University of Cambridge
7 Massachusetts Institute of Technology
8 Imperial College London
9 University of Chicago
10 University of California Berkeley
11 Yale University
12 Columbia University
13 University of California Los Angeles
14 Johns Hopkins University
15 Swiss Federal Institute of Technology
16 University of Pennsylvania
17 University College London
18 University of Michigan
19 University of Toronto
20 Cornell University
21 Carnegie Mellon University
22 University of British Columbia
22 Duke University
24 Georgia Institute of Technology
25 University of Washington
26 Northwestern University
27 University of Wisconsin-Madison
28 McGill University
29 University of Texas at Austin
30 University of Tokyo

http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/w ... p-400.html

yeah! suck it UIUC! don't see YOU on this list...

[Army of GOD]

The Scottish aren't nearly cute enough to be the Ewoks.

[Lootifer]

Haha that website ranks Vic over Canterbury... lolololololol...

edit: also pretty sure anything outside of top... 30(?) is pretty much meaningless since majority of rating is based on research and outside of the top 30 who gives a f*ck about research?

[Army of GOD]

Apparently I transferred from an unranked school to 114.

I guess that's good.

[huamulan]

I never said universities like St. Andrew's are top 30. It's a pretty big world. You don't have to be top 30 to be world class, ya know.

[pmchugh]

ITT: pmc admits the US is better than Scotland at everything other than bagpipes and kilts

1. See my thread on nationalism.
2. Scotland would be the 22nd biggest state if it was in the US.

[saxitoxin]

Given your track record with claims in this thread (i.e. Scots are well-educated, Scotland has world-class universities) I think we have a right, at this point, to request you prove "Scotland" even exists.

2. Scotland would be the 22nd biggest state if it was in the US.

That means it would have to be renamed according to US state-naming syntax, IOW renamed to orient it to its better-known neighbor (see: West Virginia, etc.).

Welcome, North England! ("West Denmark" is also acceptable.)

[pmchugh]

Given your track record with claims in this thread (i.e. Scots are well-educated, Scotland has world-class universities) I think we have a right, at this point, to request you prove "Scotland" even exists.

2. Scotland would be the 22nd biggest state if it was in the US.

That means it would have to be renamed according to US state-naming syntax, IOW renamed to orient it to its better-known neighbor (see: West Virginia, etc.).

Welcome, North England! ("West Denmark" is also acceptable.)

Hi saxi. Please provide quotes of my so called claims to Scots having world class universities and being well-educated or I may have to go make a complaint to the saxi dispute resolution board. Also size doesn't matter, it's how you use it