Obama's New Immigration Policy: FTW

[Symmetry]

You asked me to disprove even one of your points, and I've done that. Now you're acting upset. Why ask me to disprove something if you're so wedded to the OP that you won't acknowledge it when I do.

Why hello there, Symmetry! You must be new to our fora here at CC. Well welcome aboard, and if you have any questions about anything, please let me know. Thanks!

I like to occasionally think that Scotty will be honest and open. I did, after all, do exactly what he asked me to do.

Why hello there, Symmetry! You must be new to our fora here at CC. Well welcome aboard, and if you have any questions about anything, please let me know. Thanks!

Aye well done, have something British and air force related:

[huamulan]

Main frame of reference: Wikipedia.

Final assessment: 10% - must try harder

[nietzsche]

Googling this, all I can find is a weird bit of right wing nonsense about Mexico that claims this is Mexico's policy on immigration. From a website called sodahead, or something like that.

Even a small amount of casual research indicates that these points aren't true.

Who conned you this time Scotty?

You guys!!!

You need to work on your google skills, but I'm sure it's your personal bias that is in your way this time Symmetry. It's why you are foed...obviously. It poisons and corrupts almost everything you say.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Mexico
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2010 ... ants_N.htm

Perhaps you are the one guilty of only doing a "small amount of research"

About that second link, the USA today link:

But that's crooked cops, not necessarily the policy. Cops also beat Mexicans, much more than they beat immigrants. Cops also kidnap and kill.

You got it wrong PS, by pointing towards a third country human rights (or lack of) you want to make your country look better...

Truth is, when the US needs immigrants for cheap labor they don't say anything, no matter what the law says. And when they don't need them anymore they want to get rid of them, but they already started a life in the US, they have kids..

There's no valid argument here, you guys want it the way it's best for you ALWAYS, you want more money, more commodities, you want oil? sure, let's say Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, you want less social spending? right, let's get rid of immigrants. There's no reason behind any of those claims, it's only will. Say that you want that, that you will do it because you are stronger, and then at least you won't be hypocrites.

[Phatscotty]

that's not what I was pointing to neitz (3rd world human rights). There were a couple sentences in that article that pertained to a couple points in the OP. I think one of them was the prison sentence of 12 years or something....

[nietzsche]

I'll just put this back in here for the new page:

Scotty, where did you get the list you posted in your OP? You can rage against me all you want, but it's clear that much of it is false. I've tried to be generous and suggest that you were conned into believing this, but if you weren't mislead, who are you trying to con?

I'm not raging against you. I'm pointing out that you don't read my links, and why you should not expect me to give them to you.

Rather than making this about me, why don't you try to show just one example of where one of the points is incorrect?

1. There will be NO special bilingual programs in the schools

Untrue, a casual search indicates that there a number of bilingual programs available within the Mexican school system, both at a public and private level.

Private

And for the public school system:

Primary School
The terms "Primary School" or "Elementary School" usually corresponds to primaria, comprising grades 1-6, when the student's age is 6 to 12 years old. It starts the basic compulsory education system.

Depending on the school, a bilingual education may be offered from the beginning, where half the day instruction is in Spanish, and the rest is in a second language, for example, English or French.

In Spanish, the general term for "school" is escuela, but in Mexico, it is common to use escuela for state-owned schools, which are the majority, while the term colegio (cognate with "college") is reserved for private schools, usually charging higher tuition fees.[/quote

Source

There are many bilingual schools. Private schools were class are given only in a foreign language, for children of foreigners, and also, there are many bilingual schools for people that speaks in dialects.

And, even i they weren't, most Center Americans and South Americans speak Spanish.

[nietzsche]

that's not what I was pointing to neitz (3rd world human rights). There were a couple sentences in that article that pertained to a couple points in the OP. I think one of them was the prison sentence of 12 years or something....

Answer this: Do you believe that those points represent the current policy on immigration of the Mexican government or do you believe that list was redacted with the sole intention of belittle Mexicans and as an argument to justify right wing immigrant laws in the US? Don't go too far in your answer.

[Symmetry]

that's not what I was pointing to neitz (3rd world human rights). There were a couple sentences in that article that pertained to a couple points in the OP. I think one of them was the prison sentence of 12 years or something....

Answer this: Do you believe that those points represent the current policy on immigration of the Mexican government or do you believe that list was redacted with the sole intention of belittle Mexicans and as an argument to justify right wing immigrant laws in the US? Don't go too far in your answer.

He says that they're Mexico's new immigration laws, I'm sure he can back that up.

[Phatscotty]

that's not what I was pointing to neitz (3rd world human rights). There were a couple sentences in that article that pertained to a couple points in the OP. I think one of them was the prison sentence of 12 years or something....

Answer this: Do you believe that those points represent the current policy on immigration of the Mexican government or do you believe that list was redacted with the sole intention of belittle Mexicans and as an argument to justify right wing immigrant laws in the US? Don't go too far in your answer.

The overall point was to show how Mexico has much tougher laws than America. As far as I understand, these laws are about to be decided on. They are brand spanking new?

[nietzsche]

that's not what I was pointing to neitz (3rd world human rights). There were a couple sentences in that article that pertained to a couple points in the OP. I think one of them was the prison sentence of 12 years or something....

Answer this: Do you believe that those points represent the current policy on immigration of the Mexican government or do you believe that list was redacted with the sole intention of belittle Mexicans and as an argument to justify right wing immigrant laws in the US? Don't go too far in your answer.

He says that they're Mexico's new immigration laws, I'm sure he can back that up.

If anything the laws were softened recently, after the Zetas kidnapped many immigrants.

[nietzsche]

that's not what I was pointing to neitz (3rd world human rights). There were a couple sentences in that article that pertained to a couple points in the OP. I think one of them was the prison sentence of 12 years or something....

Answer this: Do you believe that those points represent the current policy on immigration of the Mexican government or do you believe that list was redacted with the sole intention of belittle Mexicans and as an argument to justify right wing immigrant laws in the US? Don't go too far in your answer.

The overall point was to show how Mexico has much tougher laws than America.

Well, you could have posted real information. I don't know if that's true or not tbh.

What it is true, is that if that was the case, it's only a pretext. The USA is supposed to have the best human rights, not comparable at all with those of a third world country with a big problem of delinquency.

The truth is what I said in my other post, it's a matter of money, of will. It's your country after all, do whatever you want, but don't come saying you have reasons. You have WILL.

[Symmetry]

that's not what I was pointing to neitz (3rd world human rights). There were a couple sentences in that article that pertained to a couple points in the OP. I think one of them was the prison sentence of 12 years or something....

Answer this: Do you believe that those points represent the current policy on immigration of the Mexican government or do you believe that list was redacted with the sole intention of belittle Mexicans and as an argument to justify right wing immigrant laws in the US? Don't go too far in your answer.

The overall point was to show how Mexico has much tougher laws than America.

Well, you could have posted real information. I don't know if that's true or not tbh.

What it is true, is that if that was the case, it's only a pretext. The USA is supposed to have the best human rights, not comparable at all with those of a third world country with a big problem of delinquency.

The truth is what I said in my other post, it's a matter of money, of will. It's your country after all, do whatever you want, but don't come saying you have reasons. You have WILL.

Well, you can always look it up Nietzsche, I've done my bit to point out that it's BS.

[Phatscotty]

Can I make fun of Mexico's president for lecturing us on our immigration policy, or at least call him a hypocrite?

[Symmetry]

Can I make fun of Mexico's president for lecturing us on our immigration policy, or at least call him a hypocrite?

At this point?

In this thread?

With your understanding of immigration?

With your portrayal of Mexican law?

Why, yes, of course you can Scotty, you've mastered hypocrisy.

[Woodruff]

Can I make fun of Mexico's president for lecturing us on our immigration policy, or at least call him a hypocrite?

Wouldn't that be highly ironic.