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Re: Matrix Mafia Day 5

Postby DoomYoshi on Tue Jun 19, 2012 11:42 pm

Sorry for triple posting, this is the only way I can make progress on my iPad in the dark.

DoomYoshi wrote:Jak, your list sucks. You completely forgot everwhere's claim. Dazza would have been my next guess as one of the mero. Dazza was replaced by vodean.

We need to figure out flavor-wise how everywhere's claim fits in with the mero... Aage?

DoomYoshi wrote:2. edocsil 3rd party Survivor Busdriver
3. jak111 (Town Tracker, Mason, Lover, Trinity)
4. DoomYoshi (Hider, Mason, Lover, Neo, (More roles now?))
5. Iron Butterfly - town or mero
6. MoB Deadly probably not mero if betiko is mafia, mob is town
7. aage
8. Leehar
10. thehippo8 VT (tracked and hid behind)
11. betiko - mafia or town
13. pmchugh 3rd party
14. Djfireside
15. vodean VT (Tracked)
17. jonty125
18. everywhere116
22. thechuck51
23. ghostly447 (Perhaps SG7's Mason partner)
24. soundman

3 other 3rd parties
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Re: Matrix Mafia Day 5

Postby vodean on Wed Jun 20, 2012 1:37 am

hmmm... i am VT. edoc said all mergos have defensive power-roles.


I think the cult is the biggest threat to town because of the growth rate. in that case we need to take out edoc and pmc the next two nights. Mafia, same goes for you.
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Re: Matrix Mafia Day 5

Postby thehippo8 on Wed Jun 20, 2012 2:29 am

Well I don't know about taking them out altogether but I see no reson not to take them up on their offer of giving us information if we put the squeeze on one of them sufficiently. between the two, I want to hear what pmc has to say ... so unvote vote pmc ...
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Re: Matrix Mafia Day 5

Postby Iron Butterfly on Wed Jun 20, 2012 4:16 am

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pmchugh wrote:Sounds reasonable. I think right now the priority is in finding the cult leader. Also what does "o.e." mean?


I thought it was a face of some variety.


It's a face.. like "o.o" "-.-" etc..

Anyway.. As for finding the cult leader (Smith) I don't know how we're going to do that in time... I think mafia might be interested in taking out some cult players as well since the cult will effect their win condition.


I don't think town can win at this point, I am a survivor and I am almost tempted to lynch doom. The majority of the players in this game will support that, and I don't want to get mixed up in night kills or super powers that doom has acquired. If people leave me alone I win with them. Edoc you in?

At this point town is just another faction and there is no reason why it should be preferred to any other.


The problem I have with this post is that it SCREAMS smoke screen by saying lynch me in BIG neon letters.

I dont think town can win..check.
I am a survivor...check.
I am thinking of lynching Doom...check
The majority of player will support that...check
f*ck you guys...check

We have no reason to trust Edocil or PMC because they will tell us only what is in their best interests.

yes there is the cult...but it seems to me like PMC and Edocil are trying to make Town fear the big bad boogie man and that we have no chance with out them.

It just seems to easy. PMC is sacrificing himself and others are jumping on OR playing along.
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Re: Matrix Mafia Day 5

Postby Iron Butterfly on Wed Jun 20, 2012 4:23 am

...Mass claim is stupid.

We have no idea what the criteria to recruit is. I find it hard to beleive that they can recruit anyone. We have no idea who they have recruited. If they recruit power roles...well that screws Town and makes their job easier. If they only recruit VTs or just programs...well that will no longer be a mystery either. It will be one big buffet.
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Re: Matrix Mafia Day 5

Postby thehippo8 on Wed Jun 20, 2012 4:32 am

Okay IB ... I completely get where you are coming from. So do you think we should go for Edoc rather than pmc or are you saying that we should go for someone submarining (like Betico etc) or what?
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Re: Matrix Mafia Day 5

Postby aage on Wed Jun 20, 2012 4:42 am

Iron Butterfly wrote:We have no reason to trust Edocil or PMC because they will tell us only what is in their best interests.
That is exactly why we should trust them. If they screw us over, we can lynch them and we both lose. I doubt they want that.

DoomYoshi wrote:Jak, your list sucks. You completely forgot everwhere's claim. Dazza would have been my next guess as one of the mero. Dazza was replaced by vodean.

We need to figure out flavor-wise how everywhere's claim fits in with the mero... Aage?
So far nobody's claimed. I could tell you what roles I suspect there to be, but that would only cause those roles to provide us with even less cooperation and clues.



I personally don't have any problems with this 3rd faction winning along with us. They cannot be the source of Smith's cult. I personally would think one of the scumariners is Smith at the moment, but since neither Edoc'sil or pcm is pointing at them I suspect they're in the 3rd group.
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Re: Matrix Mafia Day 5

Postby betiko on Wed Jun 20, 2012 5:27 am

Ok, you want content hippo, here we go:

there are clearly 4 factions here. I'm a merovigien with edoc and pmc. you now know 3/5, not sure we should disclose the other 2.
I think that town and merovigiens should really stick together and find smith (or other scum), because they are much more in trouble than they think.
It's my first time with a cult leader in a game, and i don't know what his fellow recruits can do. needless to say i don't know if my fellow 3rd party have been compromised or not.
I am wondering if smith really decides if he kills or recruits; this might be done automatically and not by choice (targeting third party or scum instead of town? targeting program instead of real person?)


anyway, here is my new list:

dead:
cowboyz - Captain Mifune, Town Vigilante
freezie - Morpheus, Town Watcher
Eldario - Commander Locke, Vanilla Townie
skillfusniper33 - Link, Vanilla Townie
Roussallier/Some7hingClever - Agent Brown, Mafia Ninja (claimed kid, vt)
Nebuchadnezer - Tank, Vanilla Townie
shieldgenerator7 - Seraph, Town Bodyguard and Mason (most probably with ghostly)


claimed/assumed:
thehippo8 - Zee, Vanilla Townie
dazza2008/vodean - Mouse, Vanilla Townie
betiko - 3rd party merovigien
SPARTACUS1974/pmchugh - 3rd party merovigien
Edocsil - trainman, 3rd party merovigien busdriver
everywhere116 - sati, town priest
jak111 -trinity, town mason and lover with doom, town tracker
DoomYoshi -neo, town mason and lover with jak, bulletproof?
ghostly447 -(most probably) Oracle, town mason with SG7, possible doc


unknown (i know that 2 of them are 3rd party survivors):
Iron Butterfly
MoB Deadly
crazymilkshake5/LSU Tiger Josh/aage
Leehar
Djfireside
jonty125
thechuck51
soundman

That's 8 people left (2 of which are cleared from my perspective). Out of these guys, there are 3-4 scums, +agent smith. the 2 recruited persons are not necesairly in that list, as I cannot guarantee people from my faction have not been compromised.

It still means that from my perspective, 4/6 at the very least of the unclaimed are bad guys, possibly 5/6 if there were initially 5 scums, including a mafia roleblocker.
Things are pretty simple now.

I support the mass claim from these 8 people. the other 2 third party only if it's really necesairy.

what do you guys think about all this? town, you guys are 8 left (including the inactive ghostly) out of 17 at the very most, including up to 2 of you that are compromised. There are 5 of us and we can all win together. It s in our best interest to help each other out.

Mob deadly and aage are not third party, i can only tell you this.
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Re: Matrix Mafia Day 5

Postby jak111 on Wed Jun 20, 2012 5:49 am

Thanks for being up forward with us Betiko. We can work together but I'm hoping PMC doesn't decide to go against this plan for if you side with us Smith and Mafia will be against you guys as well. I'll discuss with Doom tonight once we lynch one of the 8 and see what we can do to narrow the list even more now.

Right now out of those 8 we know MoB and Aage aren't with 3rd party. Do they wish to claim town or should we take the chance to lynch one of those two? (I'm leaning more toward Aage myself if he isn't town.. if he's a PR he better come with NA's)

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Re: Matrix Mafia Day 5

Postby betiko on Wed Jun 20, 2012 7:04 am

jak111 wrote:Thanks for being up forward with us Betiko. We can work together but I'm hoping PMC doesn't decide to go against this plan for if you side with us Smith and Mafia will be against you guys as well. I'll discuss with Doom tonight once we lynch one of the 8 and see what we can do to narrow the list even more now.

Right now out of those 8 we know MoB and Aage aren't with 3rd party. Do they wish to claim town or should we take the chance to lynch one of those two? (I'm leaning more toward Aage myself if he isn't town.. if he's a PR he better come with NA's)

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I'm pretty sure mob is one of the bad guys, he was high on my scum list after things that slipped at the end of day 3 from him.
Edoc said stuff at the begining of day 5 quite compromising him and he didn't really deny anything. Aage is pretty scummy too. anyway, there are at the very most just 2 unknown towns out there, so the odds that both of them are town are extremely low.
If you guys are ok with it, we need to make both of them claim today. A lot of things have already been revealed, and with town and third party working side by side, we need to get as much info as possible before night comes nad before we are all in danger.

As edoc and pmc said, we have some pretty interesting defensive roles, just so scum and cult know, so target us at your own risk. yes, it includes a PGO.
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Re: Matrix Mafia Day 5

Postby DoomYoshi on Wed Jun 20, 2012 7:06 am

Due to the discussions betiko and pmc had I was almost sure betiko wouldn't be mero. Interesting development. However, that clearly shows IB and MoB to not be mero.
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Re: Matrix Mafia Day 5

Postby pmchugh on Wed Jun 20, 2012 7:08 am

Iron Butterfly wrote:
pmchugh wrote:
jak111 wrote:
jonty125 wrote:
pmchugh wrote:Sounds reasonable. I think right now the priority is in finding the cult leader. Also what does "o.e." mean?


I thought it was a face of some variety.


It's a face.. like "o.o" "-.-" etc..

Anyway.. As for finding the cult leader (Smith) I don't know how we're going to do that in time... I think mafia might be interested in taking out some cult players as well since the cult will effect their win condition.


I don't think town can win at this point, I am a survivor and I am almost tempted to lynch doom. The majority of the players in this game will support that, and I don't want to get mixed up in night kills or super powers that doom has acquired. If people leave me alone I win with them. Edoc you in?

At this point town is just another faction and there is no reason why it should be preferred to any other.


The problem I have with this post is that it SCREAMS smoke screen by saying lynch me in BIG neon letters.

I dont think town can win..check.
I am a survivor...check.
I am thinking of lynching Doom...check
The majority of player will support that...check
f*ck you guys...check

We have no reason to trust Edocil or PMC because they will tell us only what is in their best interests.

yes there is the cult...but it seems to me like PMC and Edocil are trying to make Town fear the big bad boogie man and that we have no chance with out them.

It just seems to easy. PMC is sacrificing himself and others are jumping on OR playing along.


I reckon IB is mafia or cult, he doesn't want to claim which suggests he was initially scum or is protecting scum buddies and he is trying to lynch survivors with like 6 or 7 scum left.

Let me make myself perfectly clear, if your role says "town" you are actually in a faction it is just a faction with good propaganda. The survivors are the real town, since our win condition is compatible with anyone else where as town are a minority. With 17 alive we have probably 3 cult members, 3/4 mafia, 5 survivors and 5/6 town. No one in this game should want us dead, we are the good guys.

Interesting note: 3 mafia + 5 survivors = 8, the exact numbers required to lynch. If mafia know that they cannot be recruited, they can straight up claim and we can end this thing.
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Re: Matrix Mafia Day 5

Postby MoB Deadly on Wed Jun 20, 2012 7:18 am

I personally think we should go after aage today and I can claim tomorrow. But if you want me to claim today I can do that
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Re: Matrix Mafia Day 5

Postby betiko on Wed Jun 20, 2012 7:20 am

MoB Deadly wrote:I personally think we should go after aage today and I can claim tomorrow. But if you want me to claim today I can do that

yes, please claim.
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Re: Matrix Mafia Day 5

Postby MoB Deadly on Wed Jun 20, 2012 7:28 am

betiko wrote:
MoB Deadly wrote:I personally think we should go after aage today and I can claim tomorrow. But if you want me to claim today I can do that

yes, please claim.


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Re: Matrix Mafia Day 5

Postby edocsil on Wed Jun 20, 2012 7:43 am

pmchugh wrote:
Iron Butterfly wrote:
pmchugh wrote:
jak111 wrote:
jonty125 wrote:
pmchugh wrote:Sounds reasonable. I think right now the priority is in finding the cult leader. Also what does "o.e." mean?


I thought it was a face of some variety.


It's a face.. like "o.o" "-.-" etc..

Anyway.. As for finding the cult leader (Smith) I don't know how we're going to do that in time... I think mafia might be interested in taking out some cult players as well since the cult will effect their win condition.


I don't think town can win at this point, I am a survivor and I am almost tempted to lynch doom. The majority of the players in this game will support that, and I don't want to get mixed up in night kills or super powers that doom has acquired. If people leave me alone I win with them. Edoc you in?

At this point town is just another faction and there is no reason why it should be preferred to any other.


The problem I have with this post is that it SCREAMS smoke screen by saying lynch me in BIG neon letters.

I dont think town can win..check.
I am a survivor...check.
I am thinking of lynching Doom...check
The majority of player will support that...check
f*ck you guys...check

We have no reason to trust Edocil or PMC because they will tell us only what is in their best interests.

yes there is the cult...but it seems to me like PMC and Edocil are trying to make Town fear the big bad boogie man and that we have no chance with out them.

It just seems to easy. PMC is sacrificing himself and others are jumping on OR playing along.


I reckon IB is mafia or cult, he doesn't want to claim which suggests he was initially scum or is protecting scum buddies and he is trying to lynch survivors with like 6 or 7 scum left.

Let me make myself perfectly clear, if your role says "town" you are actually in a faction it is just a faction with good propaganda. The survivors are the real town, since our win condition is compatible with anyone else where as town are a minority. With 17 alive we have probably 3 cult members, 3/4 mafia, 5 survivors and 5/6 town. No one in this game should want us dead, we are the good guys.

Interesting note: 3 mafia + 5 survivors = 8, the exact numbers required to lynch. If mafia know that they cannot be recruited, they can straight up claim and we can end this thing.


Look at my Egypt GP game. Scum got fucked with the 3rd party due to that logic. It also faultily assumes that all of us are still survivors and not been cultified.
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Re: Matrix Mafia Day 5

Postby betiko on Wed Jun 20, 2012 8:29 am

exactly edoc. I really can't assume all survivors are free from cult. but I am sure all 5 of us are not smith.

we really need to kill smith today, and massclaim for it. think about it, what do we have to lose? there is probably just 1 more town power role at the very most out there, and probably another vt.
actually if scums could help us finding smith lol... for me it's the number one priority, as he is compromising people we trust, ad will do every night.
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Re: Matrix Mafia Day 5

Postby pmchugh on Wed Jun 20, 2012 8:34 am

edocsil wrote:Look at my Egypt GP game. Scum got fucked with the 3rd party due to that logic. It also faultily assumes that all of us are still survivors and not been cultified.


I am aware, mafia might not have been though.
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Re: Matrix Mafia Day 5

Postby edocsil on Wed Jun 20, 2012 8:44 am

pmchugh wrote:
edocsil wrote:Look at my Egypt GP game. Scum got fucked with the 3rd party due to that logic. It also faultily assumes that all of us are still survivors and not been cultified.


I am aware, mafia might not have been though.


:oops: Should have given you a git more credit.
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Re: Matrix Mafia Day 5

Postby pmchugh on Wed Jun 20, 2012 8:53 am

edocsil wrote:
pmchugh wrote:
edocsil wrote:Look at my Egypt GP game. Scum got fucked with the 3rd party due to that logic. It also faultily assumes that all of us are still survivors and not been cultified.


I am aware, mafia might not have been though.


:oops: Should have given you a git more credit.


Ach, I doubt it would have worked anyway. God loves a trier :D
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Re: Matrix Mafia Day 5

Postby jonty125 on Wed Jun 20, 2012 10:01 am

So, is the massclaim going ahead or not?
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Re: Matrix Mafia Day 5

Postby jak111 on Wed Jun 20, 2012 10:23 am

MoB, if you're town, step forward. You and Aage are the top 2 lynchee targets for the day, so right now your claim is part of your defense.

As for the third party, I know Edoc and Betiko is on board with helping town out, PMC not so much but I think Edoc and Betiko are holding the force there. I believe if not both of the recruited, most likely at least one is one of you 5. Not meaning we will lynch you, but it means that we must find Smith before the 5 of you are compromised because if even one of you fall Smith will know the identity of the other four, which PMC doesn't seem to clue into yet. (Unless he's hoping to become part of Smith's faction).

So we can assume MoB, Aage, and IB all aren't in your third party faction? The three of them seem a nice place to start because two out of three of them are most likely either Smith or Mafia. So again, MoB, if you got anything, step forward.
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Re: Matrix Mafia Day 5

Postby betiko on Wed Jun 20, 2012 11:05 am

note to edoc and pmc: should we ask the other 2 to fakeclaim first in case of massclaim?
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Re: Matrix Mafia Day 5

Postby edocsil on Wed Jun 20, 2012 11:10 am

betiko wrote:note to edoc and pmc: should we ask the other 2 to fakeclaim first in case of massclaim?


I think that would be unfavorable. We don't need both of them, and the town might take offense. The rest of the scum would wagon the liars to appear town and we would just get screwed for it.
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Re: Matrix Mafia Day 5

Postby jak111 on Wed Jun 20, 2012 11:18 am

edocsil wrote:
betiko wrote:note to edoc and pmc: should we ask the other 2 to fakeclaim first in case of massclaim?


I think that would be unfavorable. We don't need both of them, and the town might take offense. The rest of the scum would wagon the liars to appear town and we would just get screwed for it.


I wouldn't mind considering we consider 3rd party to be with us right now. However, it may cause confusion for sure. There's ups and downs about it.

Pro's
~Distraction for Smith if he only can recruit survivors
~Distraction for Mafia because they may hit survivors instead of townies.

Con's
~We may waste powers on them to prove they are townies when they could have already be proved survivors.
~They may die by accident in the night if Doom gained any killing powers.
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