Matrix Mafia Endgame, Town and Survivors win!

[edocsil]

note to edoc and pmc: should we ask the other 2 to fakeclaim first in case of massclaim?

I think that would be unfavorable. We don't need both of them, and the town might take offense. The rest of the scum would wagon the liars to appear town and we would just get screwed for it.

I wouldn't mind considering we consider 3rd party to be with us right now. However, it may cause confusion for sure. There's ups and downs about it.

Pro's
~Distraction for Smith if he only can recruit survivors
~Distraction for Mafia because they may hit survivors instead of townies.

Con's
~We may waste powers on them to prove they are townies when they could have already be proved survivors.
~They may die by accident in the night if Doom gained any killing powers.

I think it would be best for them to only claim their faction, just like betiko and PMC. That should keep us all reasonably safe, and you can deal with other players at night.

[jak111]

note to edoc and pmc: should we ask the other 2 to fakeclaim first in case of massclaim?

I think that would be unfavorable. We don't need both of them, and the town might take offense. The rest of the scum would wagon the liars to appear town and we would just get screwed for it.

I wouldn't mind considering we consider 3rd party to be with us right now. However, it may cause confusion for sure. There's ups and downs about it.

Pro's
~Distraction for Smith if he only can recruit survivors
~Distraction for Mafia because they may hit survivors instead of townies.

Con's
~We may waste powers on them to prove they are townies when they could have already be proved survivors.
~They may die by accident in the night if Doom gained any killing powers.

I think it would be best for them to only claim their faction, just like betiko and PMC. That should keep us all reasonably safe, and you can deal with other players at night.

Aye, Powers aren't needed, but faction would be good. Let their powers be a.. surprise.. ;p

[Iron Butterfly]

Sounds reasonable. I think right now the priority is in finding the cult leader. Also what does "o.e." mean?

I thought it was a face of some variety.

It's a face.. like "o.o" "-.-" etc..

Anyway.. As for finding the cult leader (Smith) I don't know how we're going to do that in time... I think mafia might be interested in taking out some cult players as well since the cult will effect their win condition.

I don't think town can win at this point, I am a survivor and I am almost tempted to lynch doom. The majority of the players in this game will support that, and I don't want to get mixed up in night kills or super powers that doom has acquired. If people leave me alone I win with them. Edoc you in?

At this point town is just another faction and there is no reason why it should be preferred to any other.

The problem I have with this post is that it SCREAMS smoke screen by saying lynch me in BIG neon letters.

I dont think town can win..check.
I am a survivor...check.
I am thinking of lynching Doom...check
The majority of player will support that...check
f*ck you guys...check

We have no reason to trust Edocil or PMC because they will tell us only what is in their best interests.

yes there is the cult...but it seems to me like PMC and Edocil are trying to make Town fear the big bad boogie man and that we have no chance with out them.

It just seems to easy. PMC is sacrificing himself and others are jumping on OR playing along.

I reckon IB is mafia or cult, he doesn't want to claim which suggests he was initially scum or is protecting scum buddies and he is trying to lynch survivors with like 6 or 7 scum left.

Let me make myself perfectly clear, if your role says "town" you are actually in a faction it is just a faction with good propaganda. The survivors are the real town, since our win condition is compatible with anyone else where as town are a minority. With 17 alive we have probably 3 cult members, 3/4 mafia, 5 survivors and 5/6 town. No one in this game should want us dead, we are the good guys.

Interesting note: 3 mafia + 5 survivors = 8, the exact numbers required to lynch. If mafia know that they cannot be recruited, they can straight up claim and we can end this thing.

And please explain why I would not be Town?
Because I do not wish to claim?

Once again PMC Talks like hes from the Russian Soviet Union of the 70s. "The survivors are the real Town" "WE are the real good guys" Blah Blah Blah.

The problem I have with this list of whos who and who might be who is that the ones who are trying to make us put our faith in it fail to mention that Cult leader could just as easily be someone who has already claimed.

You can not tell me that the only cult and mafia out there are the ones that have not claimed.

[jak111]

And please explain why I would not be Town?
Because I do not wish to claim?

Once again PMC Talks like hes from the Russian Soviet Union of the 70s. "The survivors are the real Town" "WE are the real good guys" Blah Blah Blah.

The problem I have with this list of whos who and who might be who is that the ones who are trying to make us put our faith in it fail to mention that Cult leader could just as easily be someone who has already claimed.

You can not tell me that the only cult and mafia out there are the ones that have not claimed.

What are you then IB? You're not one of their 5, and you refuse to claim. Of course there's probably 2 cult members with the ones whom claimed, but Smith is the biggest target atm.

[edocsil]

Pretty much. Everywhere is the only claimed and unconfirmed townie. Vodean could be an actionless scum, but he isn't Smith.

Long story short, due to the number of dead townies, and my massive faction, almost all the unclaimed roles are scum there are 1 or 2 unclaimed townies, and it's pretty much going to turn into hang whoever claims last due to the fakes given.

[MoB Deadly]

Okay here it goes.

I am Niobe - Town Doctor

Here is my Breadcrumb on Day 1:

Matrix Nafia
Mitrix Mafia

I was going to spell out Niobe, but I figured how many characters start with "Ni"

Actions:
N1 - Leehar (This makes him Mero, as the only character in a white suit are probably the twins.)
N2 - Jonty
N3 - Jak
N4 - Jak (I was confused about the auto-revive, that's why I think Doom was roleblocked so he couldn't hide and then mafia attacked him)

[betiko]

here is my point of view: if we make these 8 people massclaim, we will then judge who are the 4-5 who's claim is the scummiest.
As seen with clever, they most probably all have fakeclaims anyway. maybe not smith... if people start bandwagoning on one of our other 2 guys we will just reveal (pmc edoc and myself) that he's the 4th or 5th guy, there is no reason why we would try to protect someone that is not one of us.

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[Iron Butterfly]

Well gee...If Im not in the cool hip 3rd party...

That makes me either Town, cult or mafia.

What the hell do you expect me to tell you?

I am Town...but mafia and cult would say that, so your question is meaningless.

[jak111]

Okay here it goes.

I am Niobe - Town Doctor

Here is my Breadcrumb on Day 1:

Matrix Nafia
Mitrix Mafia

I was going to spell out Niobe, but I figured how many characters start with "Ni"

Actions:
N1 - Leehar (This makes him Mero, as the only character in a white suit are probably the twins.)
N2 - Jonty
N3 - Jak
N4 - Jak (I was confused about the auto-revive, that's why I think Doom was roleblocked so he couldn't hide and then mafia attacked him)

Well with this claim.. it's pretty much confirmed (we knew there was a doc) but I guess Leehar can confirm he's a mero and if you go uncountered I believe it will make you safe bud. (Edoc, I hope you can play around with this information and protect the doc. To really screw the scum up play around with switching him with one of them and they will have to risk sniping one of their own to get at our doc ;o)

Fasposted... Tell us what role/name you are IB

[Iron Butterfly]

Well gee...If Im not in the cool hip 3rd party...

That makes me either Town, cult or mafia.

What the hell do you expect me to tell you?

I am Town...but mafia and cult would say that, so your question is meaningless.

I was responding to Jak..seems several of us are on at the moment.

[betiko]

Well gee...If Im not in the cool hip 3rd party...

That makes me either Town, cult or mafia.

What the hell do you expect me to tell you?

I am Town...but mafia and cult would say that, so your question is meaningless.

I was responding to Jak..seems several of us are on at the moment.

you are cornered and need to claim now. there is just 1 town spot available.

[jak111]

Well gee...If Im not in the cool hip 3rd party...

That makes me either Town, cult or mafia.

What the hell do you expect me to tell you?

I am Town...but mafia and cult would say that, so your question is meaningless.

I was responding to Jak..seems several of us are on at the moment.

you are cornered and need to claim now. there is just 1 town spot available.

Max is 2 spots, but 1 spot is 100% 2 spots is if Saf didn't originally have 5 mafia.

[edocsil]

Okay here it goes.

I am Niobe - Town Doctor

Here is my Breadcrumb on Day 1:

Matrix Nafia
Mitrix Mafia

I was going to spell out Niobe, but I figured how many characters start with "Ni"

Actions:
N1 - Leehar (This makes him Mero, as the only character in a white suit are probably the twins.)
N2 - Jonty
N3 - Jak
N4 - Jak (I was confused about the auto-revive, that's why I think Doom was roleblocked so he couldn't hide and then mafia attacked him)

Solid claim, can't ever hang the un CCed doc.

As for IB, you do realize that we will hang you right? Now with the Doc claim there are as many unclaimed roles as there are original scum. Edit: too many posting at once.

Leehar is one of ours.

[jak111]

Stole Betiko's list to update it a bit.

claimed/assumed:
thehippo8 - Zee, Vanilla Townie
vodean - Mouse, Vanilla Townie
betiko - 3rd party merovigien
pmchugh - 3rd party merovigien
Edocsil - trainman, 3rd party merovigien busdriver
everywhere116 - sati, town priest
jak111 -trinity, town mason and lover with doom, town tracker
DoomYoshi -neo, town mason and lover with jak, bulletproof?
ghostly447 -(most probably) Oracle, town mason with SG7, possible doc
Leehar - 3rd party merovigien
MoB Deadly - Town Doc

unknown (i know that 2 of them are 3rd party survivors):
Iron Butterfly
aage
Djfireside
jonty125
thechuck51
soundman

With this list, only 6 people are unknown. 3-4 of which are mafia, 1 smith, and 1-2 townies... I say we got a good chance of lynching baddies right now eh?

[jak111]

Stole Betiko's list to update it a bit.

claimed/assumed:
thehippo8 - Zee, Vanilla Townie
vodean - Mouse, Vanilla Townie
betiko - 3rd party merovigien
pmchugh - 3rd party merovigien
Edocsil - trainman, 3rd party merovigien busdriver
everywhere116 - sati, town priest
jak111 -trinity, town mason and lover with doom, town tracker
DoomYoshi -neo, town mason and lover with jak, bulletproof?
ghostly447 -(most probably) Oracle, town mason with SG7, possible doc
Leehar - 3rd party merovigien
MoB Deadly - Town Doc

(Remaining unknowns)
Iron Butterfly
aage
Djfireside
jonty125
thechuck51
soundman

With this list, only 6 people are unknown. 3-4 of which are mafia, 1 smith, and 1-2 townies... I say we got a good chance of lynching baddies right now eh?

EBWOP Scratch that. One of the 6 left is a survivor... Which means 0-1 more townies remain. <.< I think we have a better chance of lynching scum now

[betiko]

Well gee...If Im not in the cool hip 3rd party...

That makes me either Town, cult or mafia.

What the hell do you expect me to tell you?

I am Town...but mafia and cult would say that, so your question is meaningless.

I was responding to Jak..seems several of us are on at the moment.

you are cornered and need to claim now. there is just 1 town spot available.

Max is 2 spots, but 1 spot is 100% 2 spots is if Saf didn't originally have 5 mafia.

nope; 8 original suspects -2 third parties -1smith -3 scums (minimum, they had to be at least 4) -mob's niobe claim = 1 spot left; no spot left if scums were originally 5.

and yes, mob's claim makes perfect sense, I tend to believe him. leehar is indeed 3rd party number 4.

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[betiko]

Stole Betiko's list to update it a bit.

claimed/assumed:
thehippo8 - Zee, Vanilla Townie
vodean - Mouse, Vanilla Townie
betiko - 3rd party merovigien
pmchugh - 3rd party merovigien
Edocsil - trainman, 3rd party merovigien busdriver
everywhere116 - sati, town priest
jak111 -trinity, town mason and lover with doom, town tracker
DoomYoshi -neo, town mason and lover with jak, bulletproof?
ghostly447 -(most probably) Oracle, town mason with SG7, possible doc
Leehar - 3rd party merovigien
MoB Deadly - Town Doc

(Remaining unknowns)
Iron Butterfly
aage
Djfireside
jonty125
thechuck51
soundman

With this list, only 6 people are unknown. 3-4 of which are mafia, 1 smith, and 1-2 townies... I say we got a good chance of lynching baddies right now eh?

EBWOP Scratch that. One of the 6 left is a survivor... Which means 0-1 more townies remain. <.< I think we have a better chance of lynching scum now

i think that scums now will have to try to persuade us they are scum and not smith in order not to be lynched!!

i'm thinking of all the people who have all these pages to read with all the manic stuff that happened today

[jak111]

Stole Betiko's list to update it a bit.

claimed/assumed:
thehippo8 - Zee, Vanilla Townie
vodean - Mouse, Vanilla Townie
betiko - 3rd party merovigien
pmchugh - 3rd party merovigien
Edocsil - trainman, 3rd party merovigien busdriver
everywhere116 - sati, town priest
jak111 -trinity, town mason and lover with doom, town tracker
DoomYoshi -neo, town mason and lover with jak, bulletproof?
ghostly447 -(most probably) Oracle, town mason with SG7, possible doc
Leehar - 3rd party merovigien
MoB Deadly - Town Doc

(Remaining unknowns)
Iron Butterfly
aage
Djfireside
jonty125
thechuck51
soundman

With this list, only 6 people are unknown. 3-4 of which are mafia, 1 smith, and 1-2 townies... I say we got a good chance of lynching baddies right now eh?

EBWOP Scratch that. One of the 6 left is a survivor... Which means 0-1 more townies remain. <.< I think we have a better chance of lynching scum now

i think that scums now will have to try to persuade us they are scum and not smith in order not to be lynched!!

i'm thinking of all the people who have all these pages to read with all the manic stuff that happened today

We're summing it up with lists like these ;p.

The only people I'd say COULD be compromised for town's side is either Hippo or Vodean, that being said, neither of them are Smith, I tracked both of them and Doom hid behind Hippo before. So Smith is definitely in the unclaimed 6. Right now you survivors are looking at a list of 5, and if Ghostly doesn't come back and claim Cop with Mason we may have a cop still out there making the list at 4 ;o

If there isn't another townie out there, you guys already can see who all are Smith or scum ;P

[MoB Deadly]

The only thing im not 100% on is that how do we know Vode is not a mafia goon? It still bothers me that she is a program and a VT. Looks like the theme is still alive

Yes she proactively wanted to lynch clever. Is that why?

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[thechuck51]

Can I ask why we are so trusting of Edoc and PMC right now? Edoc may not be Smith but he could have been recruited. PMC and Betiko could have been recruited or may be Smith. Beyond edoc being busdriver there is no evidence to support anything they say. How do we just accept it as fact any info they give us?

Congratulations rest of town on getting our doc exposed. His fate now rests in the hands of a 3rd party busdriver who may or not be part of smith's cult. Geez I wonder if smith would want a doctor on his team?

I do not like the mass claim idea however it appears I have no choice but to do so.

I am Ghost - Vengeful Townie

I will also add that the theory that nobody wants to accept continues to be accurate WITH A SINGLE EXCEPTION. The only other exception turned out to be a fake claim.

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[jak111]

Can I ask why we are so trusting of Edoc and PMC right now? Edoc may not be Smith but he could have been recruited. PMC and Betiko could have been recruited or may be Smith. Beyond edoc being busdriver there is no evidence to support anything they say. How do we just accept it as fact any info they give us?

Congratulations rest of town on getting our doc exposed. His fate now rests in the hands of a 3rd party busdriver who may or not be part of smith's cult. Geez I wonder if smith would want a doctor on his team?

I do not like the mass claim idea however it appears I have no choice but to do so.

I am Ghost - Vengeful Townie

I will also add that the theory that nobody wants to accept continues to be accurate WITH A SINGLE EXCEPTION. The only other exception turned out to be a fake claim.

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Think about it Chuck. 4 claimed survivors. If one more claims it will be impossible for them to be mafia, impossible for them all to be part of Smith's group. 5 people.. The only way they'd be scum is if Saf had 6 mafia at the beginning and I doubt he'd unbalance it that much to town with Smith being a cult recruiter.

[MoB Deadly]

I think we all are accepting the fact that edoc + betiko and others COULD be a Smith clone, but out primary concern is to get the RECRUITER so they cannot get stronger.

[jak111]

I think we all are accepting the fact that edoc + betiko and others COULD be a Smith clone, but out primary concern is to get the RECRUITER so they cannot get stronger.

yes, that is correct. Why lynch one and have another take their place?

[Iron Butterfly]

I am the Keymaker. I am a VT.

A mass claim brings us no closer this turn to finding the recruiter.

[MoB Deadly]

I am the Keymaker. I am a VT.

A mass claim brings us no closer this turn to finding the recruiter.

you never know, maybe someone was given a very weak fake claim. Or maybe the actual Merovingi has some extra info that they are willing to share