Rodney King dead

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Why all of these death threads? People die. Even those who have been in media. Let's not further widen the gap of worth of human life!
300 000 human beings die everyday, but only some are "important" enough to be celebrated. These sort of things actually disgusts me a lot!

Celebrated? How?

Media writes about it hello? Point is it disgusts me......DISGUSTS me people!! Like when you smell something digusting and your nose instinctively moves upwards. I get that feeling when media makes a death hiatus for any random person who's been in media. He didn't invent anything, he didn't break any record. He was just at the wrong time at the wrong place and that gets him celebrated. What about the thousands who are at the wrong time and place that die everyday? Do they get celebrated? No! They are just not interesting enough. I hate mediiiia!

The media usually mentions everyone else's death too, it's called a newspaper, there's a whole section for it every single day.

What paper do you read where they publice the name of all 300 000 people who die everyday? You're !

The ones that can feasably be reported on? Yes, it's called the obituaries. http://www.obituaries.com/Obits.asp
In many cities, a death notice is legally required to be published.

[huamulan]

I have always wondered how things would have turned out if Rodney King ran over a child playing in the streets or killed an innocent person by crashing into them at any of the numerous intersections he flew through at 120 mph.

I always wonder what would have become of Europe if World War 2 had never happened.

As for the rest of your post: I'm pretty certain that in the Obama thread you said '2 wrongs don't make a right'.

[Gillipig]

Why all of these death threads? People die. Even those who have been in media. Let's not further widen the gap of worth of human life!
300 000 human beings die everyday, but only some are "important" enough to be celebrated. These sort of things actually disgusts me a lot!

Celebrated? How?

Media writes about it hello? Point is it disgusts me......DISGUSTS me people!! Like when you smell something digusting and your nose instinctively moves upwards. I get that feeling when media makes a death hiatus for any random person who's been in media. He didn't invent anything, he didn't break any record. He was just at the wrong time at the wrong place and that gets him celebrated. What about the thousands who are at the wrong time and place that die everyday? Do they get celebrated? No! They are just not interesting enough. I hate mediiiia!

The media usually mentions everyone else's death too, it's called a newspaper, there's a whole section for it every single day.

What paper do you read where they publice the name of all 300 000 people who die everyday? You're !

The ones that can feasably be reported on? Yes, it's called the obituaries. http://www.obituaries.com/Obits.asp
In many cities, a death notice is legally required to be published.

You're misstaking the US for the world

[spurgistan]

I have never paid much attention to Rodney King himself, except to feel sorry that his life turned out as badly as it did.

His life was bad before the police beating. He was a drug addict before it and a drug addict afterwards. You'd think that someone who won a few million dollars in a settlement and gained national (and international?) notoriety could have used those platforms for good things. But no, he just wanted more drugs.

Weird, it's almost like police beatings aren't a key component of the rehabilitation process.

[thegreekdog]

I have always wondered how things would have turned out if Rodney King ran over a child playing in the streets or killed an innocent person by crashing into them at any of the numerous intersections he flew through at 120 mph. He had just been released from a two-year prison sentence for robbery. In Nov.1989, Rodney King robbed a store in Monterey Park, California. He threatened to bludgeon to death the Korean store owner with an iron bar he was wielding. I don't know what police batons are made of, but I don't think they are iron.

but he was really a sweet guy after his testosterone levels decreased because of aging

Your blatant and unapologetic defense of police, no matter the circumstances, is disturbing. Ron Paul would be ashamed.

[Phatscotty]

I have always wondered how things would have turned out if Rodney King ran over a child playing in the streets or killed an innocent person by crashing into them at any of the numerous intersections he flew through at 120 mph. He had just been released from a two-year prison sentence for robbery. In Nov.1989, Rodney King robbed a store in Monterey Park, California. He threatened to bludgeon to death the Korean store owner with an iron bar he was wielding. I don't know what police batons are made of, but I don't think they are iron.

but he was really a sweet guy after his testosterone levels decreased because of aging

Your blatant and unapologetic defense of police, no matter the circumstances, is disturbing. Ron Paul would be ashamed.

#1 I only talked about Rodney King. I said ZIP about police, and I certainly did not make a blatant and unapologetic defense of the police. I did not even mention them....
#2 Why is that? (Paul)
#3 What should the police have done?

I don't think you know enough about Ron Paul to make those kind of statements. I refrained from digging into to your Greek butt last time, but this is getting old and it's pissing me off.

I am 1,000 times more with Ron Paul than you or anyone else. I admit that is mostly economic, but it's almost as much about liberty (not the liberty to endanger everyone's life by fleeing police or drinking and driving or trying to attack cops). Serious this time....why do you hate cops?

[PLAYER57832]

Why all of these death threads? People die. Even those who have been in media. Let's not further widen the gap of worth of human life!
300 000 human beings die everyday, but only some are "important" enough to be celebrated. These sort of things actually disgusts me a lot!

Celebrated? How?

Media writes about it hello? Point is it disgusts me......DISGUSTS me people!! Like when you smell something digusting and your nose instinctively moves upwards. I get that feeling when media makes a death hiatus for any random person who's been in media. He didn't invent anything, he didn't break any record. He was just at the wrong time at the wrong place and that gets him celebrated. What about the thousands who are at the wrong time and place that die everyday? Do they get celebrated? No! They are just not interesting enough. I hate mediiiia!

Not the full story. Often it takes one person to tip the balance so people DO, finally pay attention. When people talk about "Rodney King", its really about the whole set of events.

And, in this case, the problem was not just the police, it was also this attitude that an answer to police bad behavior was to go out and behave badly yourself. I celebrate Martin Luther King. I felt sorry for Rodney King.

[PLAYER57832]

I have always wondered how things would have turned out if Rodney King ran over a child playing in the streets or killed an innocent person by crashing into them at any of the numerous intersections he flew through at 120 mph. He had just been released from a two-year prison sentence for robbery. In Nov.1989, Rodney King robbed a store in Monterey Park, California. He threatened to bludgeon to death the Korean store owner with an iron bar he was wielding. I don't know what police batons are made of, but I don't think they are iron.

but he was really a sweet guy after his testosterone levels decreased because of aging

Rodney King was no hero, but his beating and the riots were significant points in southern California history. Those bad events highlighted other bad things and caused some things to change for the better. That is why we remember him, not because he was this great guy we should all worship or idolize.

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The ones that can feasably be reported on? Yes, it's called the obituaries. http://www.obituaries.com/Obits.asp
In many cities, a death notice is legally required to be published.

You're misstaking the US for the world

The American media reported this death in a manner standard to American culture; I don’t see how it is irrelevant to the topic of post mortem special treatment.
If each local media did its part to record the dead, then it makes up a significant portion of the global report. I don't understand your problem, does Sweden not have local newspapers with an obituary section?

[Phatscotty]

I have always wondered how things would have turned out if Rodney King ran over a child playing in the streets or killed an innocent person by crashing into them at any of the numerous intersections he flew through at 120 mph. He had just been released from a two-year prison sentence for robbery. In Nov.1989, Rodney King robbed a store in Monterey Park, California. He threatened to bludgeon to death the Korean store owner with an iron bar he was wielding. I don't know what police batons are made of, but I don't think they are iron.

but he was really a sweet guy after his testosterone levels decreased because of aging

Rodney King was no hero, but his beating and the riots were significant points in southern California history. Those bad events highlighted other bad things and caused some things to change for the better. That is why we remember him, not because he was this great guy we should all worship or idolize.

Of course it was. I don't disagree with that at all. I don't think your response has anything to do with my comment, but I want to ask your opinion on something anyways.

How do you think the cops should have handled that situation differently? What should they have done???

[jonesthecurl]

Less.

[Phatscotty]

Less.

Ok, lets say the cops did less. I assume you assume King would have cooperated in the end, laid on the ground, and put his hands behind his back?

I guess I have to ask, do you acknowledge, from the video, that King clearly refused to cooperate?

[thegreekdog]

I have always wondered how things would have turned out if Rodney King ran over a child playing in the streets or killed an innocent person by crashing into them at any of the numerous intersections he flew through at 120 mph. He had just been released from a two-year prison sentence for robbery. In Nov.1989, Rodney King robbed a store in Monterey Park, California. He threatened to bludgeon to death the Korean store owner with an iron bar he was wielding. I don't know what police batons are made of, but I don't think they are iron.

but he was really a sweet guy after his testosterone levels decreased because of aging

Your blatant and unapologetic defense of police, no matter the circumstances, is disturbing. Ron Paul would be ashamed.

#1 I only talked about Rodney King. I said ZIP about police, and I certainly did not make a blatant and unapologetic defense of the police. I did not even mention them....
#2 Why is that? (Paul)
#3 What should the police have done?

I don't think you know enough about Ron Paul to make those kind of statements. I refrained from digging into to your Greek butt last time, but this is getting old and it's pissing me off.

I am 1,000 times more with Ron Paul than you or anyone else. I admit that is mostly economic, but it's almost as much about liberty (not the liberty to endanger everyone's life by fleeing police or drinking and driving or trying to attack cops). Serious this time....why do you hate cops?

(1) You've mentioned the police batons.
(2) Because Ron Paul is not an unapologetic supporter of the coercive powers of the state. In fact, Ron Paul wants more restrictions on the coercive power of the police.
(3) The police should have taken him into custody.

I don't think YOU know enough about Ron Paul's non-economic stances to make these kind of staments. I know that you agree with Ron Paul's economic statements and that makes sense. Most old school, limited government Republicans should agree with Ron Paul's economic statements. What you don't agree with and what most old school, limited government Republicans and most Republicans period don't agree with is his stance on various Libertarian type items, including, but not limited to legalization of all drugs (not just marijuana), more privacy rights, less foreign intervention, etc.

I don't hate cops. Part of my yearly charitable donations go to local and Philadelphia police. I just don't automatically assume that all cops are operating within the bounds of the law just because they are police officers. And, when police officers do something like what they did to Rodney King, I definitely don't support or defend those cops. They literally beat Rodney King while he was in custody. What part of that is acceptable to you?

[Phatscotty]

I have always wondered how things would have turned out if Rodney King ran over a child playing in the streets or killed an innocent person by crashing into them at any of the numerous intersections he flew through at 120 mph. He had just been released from a two-year prison sentence for robbery. In Nov.1989, Rodney King robbed a store in Monterey Park, California. He threatened to bludgeon to death the Korean store owner with an iron bar he was wielding. I don't know what police batons are made of, but I don't think they are iron.

but he was really a sweet guy after his testosterone levels decreased because of aging

Your blatant and unapologetic defense of police, no matter the circumstances, is disturbing. Ron Paul would be ashamed.

#1 I only talked about Rodney King. I said ZIP about police, and I certainly did not make a blatant and unapologetic defense of the police. I did not even mention them....
#2 Why is that? (Paul)
#3 What should the police have done?

I don't think you know enough about Ron Paul to make those kind of statements. I refrained from digging into to your Greek butt last time, but this is getting old and it's pissing me off.

I am 1,000 times more with Ron Paul than you or anyone else. I admit that is mostly economic, but it's almost as much about liberty (not the liberty to endanger everyone's life by fleeing police or drinking and driving or trying to attack cops). Serious this time....why do you hate cops?

(1) You've mentioned the police batons.
(2) Because Ron Paul is not an unapologetic supporter of the coercive powers of the state. In fact, Ron Paul wants more restrictions on the coercive power of the police.
(3) The police should have taken him into custody.

I don't think YOU know enough about Ron Paul's non-economic stances to make these kind of staments. I know that you agree with Ron Paul's economic statements and that makes sense. Most old school, limited government Republicans should agree with Ron Paul's economic statements. What you don't agree with and what most old school, limited government Republicans and most Republicans period don't agree with is his stance on various Libertarian type items, including, but not limited to legalization of all drugs (not just marijuana), more privacy rights, less foreign intervention, etc.

I don't hate cops. Part of my yearly charitable donations go to local and Philadelphia police. I just don't automatically assume that all cops are operating within the bounds of the law just because they are police officers. And, when police officers do something like what they did to Rodney King, I definitely don't support or defend those cops. They literally beat Rodney King while he was in custody. What part of that is acceptable to you?

1-Yup, I mentioned batons. Not sure how that is a a blatant and unapologetic defense of the police....but okay
2-willing to educate me with a link about Ron Paul on that issue you state about coercive powers of the police?
3-How do the police take him into custody?
4-I am ALL for legalization of drugs. I've said so numerous times. I am ALL about less foreign intervention. I've said so many more times. Privacy? I just made a post about the 4th Amendment yesterday, and I am an ardent supporter of privacy and think it's atrocious what has happened to our privacy. For the life of me I don't know why you are using Ron Paul's positions that I 100% support as evidence that I am not a worthy supported of Ron Paul. what the hell is this all about really????

I do not either automatically assume that all cops are operating within the bounds of the law just because they are police officers. Are you trolling me dude? Where do you get this from?

Again, I made a comment about the baton and what it's made out of, not the police. I say the police went way too far. I don't f'n support those cops?!?! wtf??????

You are saying King was in custody while he was laying in the street? unhandcuffed? I thought this whole time that they were beating him as they tried to put the handcuffs on him...correct me if I am wrong

[notyou2]

At Gillipig...under your logic the death of Hitler or Bin Laden is not news worthy.

At everyone else........phatscotty is a cop

[Phatscotty]

Another song about Rodney King and the riots

[Lootifer]

Less.

Ok, lets say the cops did less. I assume you assume King would have cooperated in the end, laid on the ground, and put his hands behind his back?

I guess I have to ask, do you acknowledge, from the video, that King clearly refused to cooperate?

Rodneys cooperation isnt the point here though.

Cooperative or otherwise you work with the end goal of restraining the offender not an end goal of beating until they lose consciousness.

[Phatscotty]

Less.

Ok, lets say the cops did less. I assume you assume King would have cooperated in the end, laid on the ground, and put his hands behind his back?

I guess I have to ask, do you acknowledge, from the video, that King clearly refused to cooperate?

Rodneys cooperation isnt the point here though.

Cooperative or otherwise you work with the end goal of restraining the offender not an end goal of beating until they lose consciousness.

and how do you restrain someone who is high on PCP and keeps getting up to come after you???

[Lootifer]

Im no police officer; i dont know what the optimal method is for dealing with offenders like this. I would hazard to guess that handcuffs would be no 1 priority.

So my question: Do you think that the officers in that video were working to restrain Rodney or something closer to doling out justice for his offences?

[thegreekdog]

Here you go:

http://www.copblock.org/5845/ron-paul-r ... es-ouster/
http://www.dailypaul.com/94032/money-ba ... -brutality
http://www.dailypaul.com/235851/what-ha ... -and-learn

And there are literally hundreds of videos on youtube on police brutality from Ron Paul supporters. I'm surprised you haven't run into them given your penchant for using videos.

3-How do the police take him into custody?

How is that relevant? Are you saying that if police take you into custody by hitting you with batons they are therefore permitted to continue hitting you with batons after they take you into custody?

I do not either automatically assume that all cops are operating within the bounds of the law just because they are police officers. Are you trolling me dude? Where do you get this from?

The only other time police brutality was discussed you defended police officers who nearly killed a mentally retarded man.

I say the police went way too far.

You are saying King was in custody while he was laying in the street? unhandcuffed? I thought this whole time that they were beating him as they tried to put the handcuffs on him...

Are these consistent statements?

To answer your second question, just read the Wiki page.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodney_King

[Phatscotty]

Im no police officer; i dont know what the optimal method is for dealing with offenders like this. I would hazard to guess that handcuffs would be no 1 priority.

So my question: Do you think that the officers in that video were working to restrain Rodney or something closer to doling out justice for his offences?

Okay. We agree. Handcuffs are #1. So, how do you put handcuffs on someone who wont keep their hands still for you to put the cuffs on?

Just hang on with the question for a second, we are going to talk through this and find out exactly where we differ. That okay?

[Phatscotty]

Here you go:

http://www.copblock.org/5845/ron-paul-r ... es-ouster/
http://www.dailypaul.com/94032/money-ba ... -brutality
http://www.dailypaul.com/235851/what-ha ... -and-learn

And there are literally hundreds of videos on youtube on police brutality from Ron Paul supporters. I'm surprised you haven't run into them given your penchant for using videos.

3-How do the police take him into custody?

How is that relevant? Are you saying that if police take you into custody by hitting you with batons they are therefore permitted to continue hitting you with batons after they take you into custody?

I do not either automatically assume that all cops are operating within the bounds of the law just because they are police officers. Are you trolling me dude? Where do you get this from?

The only other time police brutality was discussed you defended police officers who nearly killed a mentally retarded man.

I say the police went way too far.

You are saying King was in custody while he was laying in the street? unhandcuffed? I thought this whole time that they were beating him as they tried to put the handcuffs on him...

Are these consistent statements?

To answer your second question, just read the Wiki page.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodney_King

Nice Ron Paul links. You do know those are just random posters saying "he, we should do something about this!" I was thinking you had a Ron Paul speech on the issue, or even just some comments by Ron Paul?

I only made the point that the guy in the other thread was literally asking for a fight, and if he would have put his hands in front of him, he would not have gotten into a fight. That doesn't mean anything other than he was not totally innocent.

And I don't give a crap about what Wiki says, Wiki is completely full of shit when it comes to certain things. I was asking you to use your own 2 eyes in the video. Rodney King was not restrained or in custody when that beating was going down.

What I am saying is that when you are under arrest, you calmly put your hands behind your back (especially when you are guilty as hell and finally get caught) and let the cop slap em on. If you move your hands, the officer is going to grab your arms firmly and try to hold them still. If you start to run, you are going to get whacked in the legs, and then have the handcuffs put on you. If you still resist, another officer is going to lean on you to hold you to the ground. If the officer still cannot put the cuffs on the criminal, another officer is going to put his knee on the back of your neck and make you scream like a bitch and start yelling "I'm sorry! Okay! I'm cooperating now! police brutality!". and then, after all that unnecessary bullshit, the criminal will let his hands go limp and be put under arrest and handcuffed. This isn't rocket science. Oh, and if you are trippin balls on PCP, and the stun gun doesn't even work on you, and you resist arrest, you are going to get your ass whooped. It's basically like trying to take down 250 pound+ 6 '+ wild animal that does not speak and cannot hear. That is the reality, that is understandable. It seems like you don't have any respect for police or the risk they take in order to keep communities safe.

There is no reason for a cop to "risk it" when arresting a criminal who just led you through a 120 mph chase and simply will not allow the police to arrest him. did you ever think since King just got out of prison, that his attitude possibly could have been "I'm not going back! you can kill me but i aint goin back to prison"? I am talking about Rodney King here, not the police or what they did or should have done or not done if refusing to go back to prison is the case.

Do you acknowledge King lunged at the cops? That the tazer didn't work? That he was high and drunk and basically a 6'+ 250+ wild animal who is incoherent? Do you even condemn King for what he did? Can you admit that King endangered every innocent life he came within a few yards of that night? Can you admit if you were that cop, you would be pumped full of adrenaline? Can you just turn it off when the criminal is still lunging at you even after your tazer didnt work? would you be scared no matter how many cops are standing behind you? It seems all you are doing is giving King the benefit of the doubt, and don't realize this all happened because of what King did.

I don't know why you are having such a hard time with the statements, or giving me such a hard time about things I never said and don't agree with.

And it's okay about #3. Everybody dodges that one so far except for Mageplunka

[spurgistan]

Im no police officer; i dont know what the optimal method is for dealing with offenders like this. I would hazard to guess that handcuffs would be no 1 priority.

So my question: Do you think that the officers in that video were working to restrain Rodney or something closer to doling out justice for his offences?

Okay. We agree. Handcuffs are #1. So, how do you put handcuffs on someone who wont keep their hands still for you to put the cuffs on?

Just hang on with the question for a second, we are going to talk through this and find out exactly where we differ. That okay?

There were what, six cops there? Even if that only means, like, a collective iq of 113 in this particular case, you can't argue that they didn't have less violent solutions to "oh hey, this guy's squirming" than "let's turn him into a pulp."

[Phatscotty]

Im no police officer; i dont know what the optimal method is for dealing with offenders like this. I would hazard to guess that handcuffs would be no 1 priority.

So my question: Do you think that the officers in that video were working to restrain Rodney or something closer to doling out justice for his offences?

Okay. We agree. Handcuffs are #1. So, how do you put handcuffs on someone who wont keep their hands still for you to put the cuffs on?

Just hang on with the question for a second, we are going to talk through this and find out exactly where we differ. That okay?

There were what, six cops there? Even if that only means, like, a collective iq of 113 in this particular case, you can't argue that they didn't have less violent solutions to "oh hey, this guy's squirming" than "let's turn him into a pulp."

so...................how do you put handcuffs on someone who wont keep their hands still for you to put the cuffs on?

Put another way, could you please be so kind as to state what that less violent solution is?

[Lootifer]

Okay. We agree. Handcuffs are #1. So, how do you put handcuffs on someone who wont keep their hands still for you to put the cuffs on?

Just hang on with the question for a second, we are going to talk through this and find out exactly where we differ. That okay?

I think my question is going to point to exactly where we differ.

I dont think for a minute those cops were trying to restrain Rodney; I think it was the last thing on their mind. I firmly believe that they were beating the living shit out of him for being a crackpot drug crazed criminal (which he undoubtedly was, i dont think theres a question about that).

Back to your question though: I've already stated I dont know; im not trying to dodge or anything, but personal restraint is not one of my areas of expertise. I am 99% sure however that if my area of expertise was [best practice at the time] police restraint techniques and policy, 1991, I would be able to come up with a technique slightly more humane than "beat the living f*ck out of them til their brain leaks out their ear". <<< That is my basis for thinking they had no intention of restraint, but were instead focussed on doling out justice.